I am coming to the conclusion that allmost all Muslims support this Islamic assault. The “moderates” we are looking for are considered apostates and no longer considers Muslims.

Bingo! That is the doctrine of Islam. Fight Jihad otherwise you are an apostate.

Historically, Islam has been assaulting the world non-stop.

I am coming to the conclusion that allmost all Muslims support this Islamic assault. The “moderates” we are looking for are considered apostates and no longer considers Muslims.

The Muslims clerics at each of these mosques were shocked, shocked to find such hate literature in their mosque. Shocked!

I can pretty much guess what kind of venom is being spouted behind the mosque doors in America but I would dearly love “60 Minutes” and other news organizations to go record a few mosque sermons and let us know what they find. This is a ripe situation for one of those old ambush interviews they used to do: Covertly record the imam spouting jihad, overtly interview him giving his peaceful public line of BS, and then confront him with his hate speech. It’s gonna take a non-PC news organization to pull this off. The MSM can’t handle the truth.

Perhaps RedWinged Blackbird on January 8, 2007 at 9:22 PM hit it pretty close to center.

It lead me to the conclusion that not just most, but the vast majority of Muslims are acutally “inactive” and support the Islamofacist at a minimum with their silence, but more realistically provide important support in other ways.

Previous vents have dealt with this topic:
Moderate Muslims discussed by Robert Spencer at: http://hotair.com/archives/2006/10/19/moderate-muslims/

The Price of Apostacy at: http://hotair.com/archives/2006/10/26/the-price-of-apostasy/

And discussions on an Islamic Reformation in the comments at:
http://hotair.com/archives/2006/10/27/michelle-interviews-mark-steyn-part-two/#comments

Too bad this thread will disappear from the front page on Hot Air but the references are worth looking at.

There are moderate muslims, it’s just that if they speak out they may be killed. Kind of puts a damper on free speech.

Let me try this again. Islam, like most socio-political groups, consists of a right wing (fundamentalists) and a left wing (liberals) with the vast majority somewhere in the middle (moderates). In the case of Islam, the right wing consists of the jihadis and their overt supporters, while the left wing consists of reformists – those who embrace Western values such as democracy and free speech. The vast majority of Muslims, probably about 70-80 percent, are moderates, but their ideology is not moderate by our standards. They are islamists. They embrace the concept of a global caliphate. They are not going to speak out against jihad violence, not because they fear retribution, but because they know it will expedite their cause. The end justifies the means. The “moderate” Muslims that the West keeps looking for are actually “liberal” Muslims. They are the true “small minority of extremists.”

I vote we send Debbie Schlussel into all of the Mosques in the US – with her long blond hair covered and a camera – She had the guts to do it several years ago – NOBODY CARED. I wonder if any Mosque here would not have a sermon like this.

It is like the description of a Family with an alcoholic parent in denial – Big elephant in the living room and everything is cool- let’s just act like it is not happening. AND -Don’t talk about it or we will get this elephant very upset!

I am still waiting for the first “moderate muslim” to denounce the acts and rhetoric of the so called radical muslims.

That being the case, I would have to agree with darwin

the “moderate” muslim is a myth.

darwin on January 8, 2007 at 11:39 AM
brtex on January 8, 2007 at 2:55 PM

The world will be waiting past when it snows in hell for that one.

While they don’t overtly approve of jihad violence, they view it with quiet acceptance.

RedWinged Blackbird on January 8, 2007 at 3:04 PM

Which to most standards is passive encouragement and approval.

We are in a battle for civilization – most just haven’t realize it yet.

That being the case, I would have to agree with darwin

the “moderate” muslim is a myth.

darwin on January 8, 2007 at 11:39 AM

Actually, there are four groups, because there are a few muslim voices out there, Shoebat being one, taking on jihad.

Walid Shoebat is not a muslim. He’s an Evangelical Christian convert!

1) There is no such thing as a “moderate” Muslim, all believe in the domination of othes by Islam and the concept of a “moderate” Muslim is a Myth.

2) A “moderate” Muslim bends to the will of the winning side and will change their position as the wind blows. This type of “moderate” Muslim is without conviction and takes the postion of the stronger party.

3) A “moderate” Muslim is actually an Islamofacist waiting for their opportunity to violently attack the “enemies” of Islam, unbelievers and “infidels” (that’s us) when Islam gains more power in their region.

Did I get this right so far? It would be interesting to see what Robert Spencer defines as “moderate” Muslim.

Revealed: preachers’ messages of hate Muslim worshippers are being urged by radical clerics to ignore British law An undercover investigation has revealed disturbing evidence of Islamic extremism at a number of Britain’s leading mosques and Muslim in…

Does an Imam have the right to promote this behavior as long as no one acts upon it?

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Perhaps someone will provide insight on this topic.

omegaram on January 8, 2007 at 12:29 PM

A moderate is someone who tries to sell you that they have not made up their mind. But they choose the side that brandishes the power. They have no real convictions.
An Example: Many democrats supported the war when launched, now that it is not going so well and public opionion is changing, they are now changing their convictions and becoming “moderates”. The ideal and purpose of the war has not changed, the perception of win/loss has. You can always tell a “moderate” by this phrase; “I am keeping an open mind”.

Peep the new book releases, homeys. Its all about how this “Christian Nation” is on the verge of some sort of religiously inspired fascism, courtesy of the Brownshirts next door that go to the “fundamentalist” church down the street.

Think I’m kidding? Watch. As it gets harder and harder for the Left to laugh off the very real possibility that the fundamental tenents of Islam make it pretty tough to be a tolerant, good citizen of a liberal Western democracy, they’ll turn to one of their time-tested, favorite plays: moral equivalency. In other words, if Islam is a tough sell for a secular government, well Christianity is even worse!

Of course, they’ll have to contort themselves mightily to do it, but they’re nothing if not limber when it comes to the mental gymnastics.

The only answer is start deporting. Drop the touchy feely political correctness crap and save the UK. Muslims belong in one place, the middle east.

If we’d start drilling the massive oil reserves we have here we’d never have to set foot in the middle east again.

Radical Islam might be funny were it confined to a song: Durka Durka Mohammed Jihad. But that isn’t the reality and Channel 4 in the UK has at least made an effort to expose Islamic radicalism in Britain. Fine, but…

‘Us versus them’. This is the message that is being preached at a number of mosques in Great Britain, a new investigation by Channel 4 in the UK will soon reveal.
Channel 4 investigative reporters smuggled hidden video cameras into mosques…