It’s a very simple process. I want what’s mine, and I want what’s yours. If you don’t give me what’s yours, I’ll call you mean-spirited and bigoted when the news is watching, and I’ll cut your head off when they aren’t.

TOO true. It’s funny how liberals throw around the word bigot and islamophobia. Makes me wonder if they truly know the meaning of those words…because if you listen enough to their argument about calling someone those things, they really don’t fully understand them.

It’s a very simple process. I want what’s mine, and I want what’s yours. If you don’t give me what’s yours, I’ll call you mean-spirited and bigoted when the news is watching, and I’ll cut your head off when they aren’t.

Freelancer on December 31, 2006 at 10:01 PM (referring to the Islamist mindset)

As a Christian, I see the Muslims as a defeated enemy, led by a defeated loser named Satan whom they call Allah…

Doug on January 1, 2007 at 10:57 AM

And people wonder why I have no use for any religion…

As a Christian, I see the Muslims as a defeated enemy, led by a defeated loser named Satan whom they call Allah

FINALLY. Somebody gets it.

..could serve to “awake the conscience of followers of both faiths and help bury past confrontations.“

Mmmkay.[roll eyes]Tricks, ploy’s, and lies.
I’m damn tired of them thinking that all in the west are idiots. And I’m sick of being insulted by peoples that refuse to join the 21st century. For the love of God, shut up! And discontinue shoving your religion(?)down our throats! We all will soon be, coughing up hairballs the size of a camel.

But that doesn’t mean that we are both right, or both wrong, as that is impossible.

Doug on January 1, 2007 at 2:31 PM

Actually, neither proposition is exclusive of the other. You can indeed both be right, or conversely, both wrong, and there’s nothing impossible about it. But hey, try explaining that to someone who without a trace of irony types “Doesn’t change an iota of what the Bible says is going to happen. Whether it’s now, or a hundred years from now, or a thousand years, the outcome is pre-ordained by God, and the Muslims and Satan lose.” I mean, wow, it doesn’t get much saltier than that considering the muslims didn’t exist when the “bible” was written.

…It’s a very simple process. I want what’s mine, and I want what’s yours. If you don’t give me what’s yours, I’ll call you mean-spirited and bigoted when the news is watching, and I’ll cut your head off when they aren’t.

Freelancer on December 31, 2006 at 10:01 PM

The only alternative they don’t consider is to share what’s theirs. But, eh, the multi-culti accept all that like little lambs.

I want to know where CAIR stands on this decision…

You are absolutely right,THeDRiFTeR. But that doesn’t mean that we are both right, or both wrong, as that is impossible.
Doesn’t change an iota of what the Bible says is going to happen. Whether it’s now, or a hundred years from now, or a thousand years, the outcome is pre-ordained by God, and the Muslims and Satan lose.

As a Christian, I see the Muslims as a defeated enemy, led by a defeated loser named Satan whom they call Allah.

Doug on January 1, 2007 at 10:57 AM

Interestingly enough, that’s pretty much exactly how “the Muslims” see you.

…I asked him if he’d like anything else, alluding to something sweet. He reached for me, pulled me close, nibbled my ear and said, “As long as it involves bacon grease.”

Oh…you can come worship, just don’t mind the bacon grease we use to polish the pews.

seejanemom on January 1, 2007 at 9:18 AM

You manage to get quite alot of use from that bacon grease huh?

Problem with the slogan is that in Danny Pearl’s case, they cut the head off the news, too.

Malkins.

It’s a very simple process. I want what’s mine, and I want what’s yours. If you don’t give me what’s yours, I’ll call you mean-spirited and bigoted when the news is watching, and I’ll cut your head off when they aren’t.

Freelancer on December 31, 2006 at 10:01 PM

Says it all. Put it on a t-shirt and bumperstickers I say.

Juevos should have an “h” – Huevos

Oh…you can come worship, just don’t mind the bacon grease we use to polish the pews.

seejanemom on January 1, 2007 at 9:18 AM

And also the anti-bacterial gel.

It’s a very simple process. I want what’s mine, and I want what’s yours. If you don’t give me what’s yours, I’ll call you mean-spirited and bigoted when the news is watching, and I’ll cut your head off when they aren’t.

Freelancer on December 31, 2006 at 10:01 PM

If they issue a fatwa for insensitivity, it would be the perfect blending of militant Islam and Western PC leftism. Nihilists unite!

I’ll call you mean-spirited and bigoted when the news is watching, and I’ll cut your head off when they aren’t.

Oh…they watch. Then they (CNN) loop it and broadcast it as “news” but shelter us from things like the replay of 9-11.

Thanks, news nannies.

Malkins.

It’s a very simple process. I want what’s mine, and I want what’s yours. If you don’t give me what’s yours, I’ll call you mean-spirited and bigoted when the news is watching, and I’ll cut your head off when they aren’t.

Freelancer on December 31, 2006 at 10:01 PM

The most accurate assesment yet, thank you.

Fortunately the independent account of the historian ar-Râzî allows us to fill in some of the gaps.

In the course of his description of the founding of the famous Cordoban mosque, the chronicler explained that the conquerors appropriated half of the local church dedicated to St. Vincent for use as a mosque. This was not an uncommon stopgap measure for dealing with the religious needs of the victorious armies. Syrians in the town of Hims had experienced similar divisions in the wake of their conquest.

But with the steady influx into Córdoba of Arab immigrants over the next two generations, the Muslim worshipers found their quarters increasingly cramped. During the reign of the first cUmayyad emir, cAbd ar-Rabmân I (754-88), negotiations began between the emir and the leaders of the Christian community to resolve the problem. Finally, after a promise of a large cash payment as well as permission to rebuild one of the extramural churches that had been leveled at the time of the conquest, the Christians relinquished their half of St. Vincent’s. The emir then ordered the demolition of the church to make way for the construction of the mosque that occupies the site to this day.

BTW, the Vatican has already responded to this question in 2004 with Pope John Paul XVIII.

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Answer of Cordoba´s Bishop (spanish – translated below via bablefish):

Obispo de Córdoba sobre solicitud de uso compartido de la Catedral por la Junta Islámica de España

Algunos Medios de comunicación se han hecho eco hoy, día 27 de diciembre, de una carta dirigida al Santo Padre Benedicto XVI a través de la Nunciatura Apostólica, firmada por el Secretario de la Junta Islámica de España, en la que esta institución solicita a la Santa Sede que autorice el uso compartido de la Catedral de Córdoba por católicos y musulmanes y su conversión en “templo ecuménico”.

Para conocimiento de los autores de la citada carta, conversos españoles al Islam, de la opinión pública en general, de los fieles católicos de la Diócesis y de todos aquellos que desde los más variados puntos de España y del extranjero nos han manifestado su preocupación en ocasiones análogas, el Obispo de Córdoba se siente en el deber de manifestar lo siguiente:

1. La Diócesis de Córdoba quiere seguir manteniendo unas relaciones de respeto y aprecio por los musulmanes que viven entre nosotros. De acuerdo con la declaración “Nostra aetate” del Concilio Vaticano II, está dispuesta a trabajar sinceramente por la mutua comprensión, defendiendo y promoviendo unidos la justicia social, los bienes morales, la paz y la libertad para todos los hombres (n. 3).

2. Como no podía ser de otra forma, favorece también el dialogo interreligioso propiciado por la Santa Sede, desde la identidad neta de cada confesión religiosa. En este sentido no ayudaría a dicho diálogo el uso compartido de templos y lugares de culto, que sólo generaría confusión en los fieles, dando pie al indiferentismo religioso. Tal uso compartido puede tener sentido circunstancialmente en un aeropuerto o en una villa olímpica, puesto que no se trata propiamente de templos sino de lugares de oración, pero no en el caso de una catedral.

3. El Obispado de Córdoba y su Cabildo tienen títulos jurídicos fehacientes para mantener el uso exclusivo de la Catedral por la Iglesia Católica. Poseen además títulos históricos incontestables. Las excavaciones arqueológicas dirigidas por el arquitecto Félix Hernández en 1930 demostraron la existencia en el subsuelo de la actual Catedral de todo un complejo episcopal que puede datarse entre los siglos IV y VI. Allí se encuentran los restos arqueológicos de la basílica visigótica dedicada a San Vicente Mártir, la domus episcopalis, y muy probablemente la escuela clerical y los servicios de caridad del Obispo.

En el año 2004, por iniciativa del actual Obispo y del Cabildo se ha descubierto y expuesto a la contemplación de los visitantes y turistas, un pequeño sacellum o habitación donde se reservaba la Eucaristía para los enfermos. Tanto los muros, construidos en el siglo VI, como la solería de mosaico del siglo IV, están plagados de símbolos cristianos.

Todo este complejo fue destruido tras la invasión musulmana en el año 711, aprovechando sus materiales para construir parte de la mezquita, cuya estructura arquitectónica básica se ha mantenido posteriormente gracias al celo de Obispos y Cabildos.

4. La actual Catedral de Córdoba fue donada por el Rey Fernando III el Santo a la Iglesia tras la conquista de la ciudad en 1236, siendo consagrada a continuación por el Obispo de Osma D. Juan Domínguez. Es de advertir que todo el edificio es Catedral, pues todo él está consagrado. Como es bien sabido, adosadas a los muros perimetrales se han levantado a lo largo de los siglos un gran número de capillas devocionales, todas ellas de un gran interés artístico.

5. El Obispado de Córdoba no se opone a que los musulmanes que viven en nuestra Diócesis tengan lugares de culto dignos, como lo desea también para los cristianos que viven en países de mayoría musulmana.

Lo exige un derecho humano tan fundamental como es la libertad religiosa. Considera, sin embargo, que estos lugares deben ser proporcionados al número de fieles que practican el Islam, relativamente pequeño en Córdoba, habida cuenta del corto número de inmigrantes que existe en nuestra provincia, tanto en términos absolutos como relativos, como nos dicen estadísticas fiables.

6. En la Catedral de Córdoba, como en todas las catedrales, está el Señor en el Santísimo Sacramento de la Eucaristía. Este dato fundamental hace inviable celebrar la oración de otra tradición religiosa en su recinto. Por otra parte, el uso compartido de la Catedral de Córdoba por católicos y musulmanes no contribuiría a la convivencia pacífica de los diferentes credos.

Las raíces cristianas de Córdoba y a su historia cristiana diecisiete veces centenaria merecen ser respetadas. Los católicos cordobeses queremos vivir en paz con los creyentes de otros credos, pero no deseamos estar continuamente sometidos a presiones que no contribuyen a la concordia.

Como afirmara en el mes de mayo de 2004 el Arzobispo Mons. Filtzgerald, ex presidente del Pontificio Consejo para el Diálogo Interreligioso, a raíz de una solicitud idéntica de la Junta Islámica, “Es difícil promover la convivencia entre cristianos y musulmanes remontándose a la historia o queriendo revanchas. Es necesario aceptar la historia y seguir adelante”.

7. El Obispo de Córdoba manifestará estas razones y otras varias de carácter pastoral a la Santa Sede si es requerido para ello.

Córdoba, 27 de diciembre de 2006
———translation via bablefish follows ——–
Bishop of Cordova on request of use shared of the Cathedral by the Islamic Meeting of Spain Some Mass media have become echo today, day 27 of December, a letter directed to Santo Padre Benedicto XVI through the Apostolic Nunciature, signed by the Secretary of the Islamic Meeting of Spain, in which this institution asks for Santa Sede who authorizes the shared use of the Cathedral of Cordova by catholics and Muslims and their conversion in “ecumenical temple”. For knowledge of the authors of the mentioned letter, Spanish conversos to the Islam, of the public opinion in general, the catholic faithfuls of the Diocese and all those that from the most varied points of Spain and the sometimes analogous foreigner have showed their preoccupation to us, the Bishop of Cordova feels in having to show the following thing: 1. The Diocese of Cordova wants to continue maintaining relations of respect and esteem by the Muslims who live between us. In agreement with the declaration “Nostra aetate” of Vatican Concilio II, is arranged to work sincerely by the mutual understanding, defending and promoting united social justice, the moral goods, La Paz and the freedom to all the men (n. 3). 2. As it could not be of another form, it also favors I engage in a dialog interreligious caused by Santa Sede, from the net identity of each religious confession. In this sense it would not help to this dialogue the shared use of temples and places of cult, that would only generate confusion in the faithfuls, giving foot to the religious indiferentismo. Such shared use can circumstantially have sense in an airport or an Olympic villa, since it is not properly about temples but places of oration, but not in the case of a cathedral. 3. The Bishopric of Cordova and its Town hall have fehacientes legal titles to maintain the exclusive use of the Cathedral by the Catholic Church. They have in addition incontestable historical titles. The archaeological excavations directed by the architect Felix Hernandez in 1930 demonstrated the existence in the subsoil of the present of a whole episcopal complex Cathedral that can be dated between centuries IV and I SAW. There are the archaeological rest of the visigótica basilica dedicated to San Vicente Martyr, domus episcopalis, and more likely the clerical school and the services of charity of the Bishop. In 2004, by initiative of the present Bishop and the Town hall it has been discovered and exposed to the contemplation of the visitors and tourists, a small sacellum or room where the Eucaristía for the patients was reserved. As much the walls, constructed in the century I SAW, as it would be accustomed to it of mosaic of century IV, are plagued of Christian symbols. All this complex was destroyed after the Muslim invasion in year 711, taking advantage of its materials to construct part of the mosque, whose basic architectonic structure has stayed later thanks to the fervor of Bishops and Town halls. 4. The present Cathedral of Cordova was donated by King Fernando III Santo to the Church after the conquest of the city in 1236, being consecrated next by the Bishop of Osma D. Juan Domínguez. It is to notice that all the building is Cathedral, because all it is consecrated. As well it is known, leaned to the perimetrales walls they have risen throughout the centuries a great number of devocionales chapels, all of them of a great artistic interest. 5. The Bishopric of Cordova is not against to that the Muslims who live in our Diocese take worthy places of cult, as also wishes it for the Christians who live in countries of Muslim majority. It demands a as fundamental human right as it is the religious freedom. It considers, nevertheless, that these places must be provided to the number of faithfuls who practice the Islam, relatively small in Cordova, had account of the short number of immigrants that exists in our province, as much in absolute terms as relative, as they say trustworthy statistics to us. 6. In the Cathedral of Cordova, like in all the cathedrals, he is the Gentleman in the Santísimo Sacrament of the Eucaristía. This fundamental data does nonviable to celebrate the oration of another religious tradition in its enclosure. On the other hand, the shared use of the Cathedral of Cordova by catholics and Muslims would not contribute to the pacific coexistence of the different creeds. The Christian roots of Cordova and to its centennial Christian history seventeen times deserve to be respected. The Cordovan catholics we want to live peacefully with the believers of other creeds, but we did not wish to be continuously put under pressures that do not contribute to the concord. As Archbishop Mons. Filtzgerald affirmed in the month of May of 2004, ex- president of the Pontifical Council for the Dialogue Interreligioso, as a result of an identical request of the Islamic Meeting, “Is difficult to promote the coexistence between Christians and Muslims going back to history or wanting revanchas. It is necessary to accept history and to follow ahead “. 7. The Bishop of Cordova will show these reasons and other several of pastoral character to Santa Sede if he is required for it. Cordova, 27 of December of 2006

had asked that the cathedral become an ecumenical temple where believers from all faiths could worship

If that’s what they want, why don’t they begin by converting a mosque into an ecumenical center? While they’re at it, they could create a similar place “where believers from all faiths could worship” in Mecca and elsewhere in Saudi Arabia.

I am rethinking the Boxer thing in a new context,in that the Left thinks that they will assist the Islamists in taking down the Right in he belief that they will then take down the Islamists and be the ultimate rulers of the masses.I think that the Dems have this as their long term “strategy”.

bbz123 on January 1, 2007 at 12:54 AM

If Babs seems to be changing her mind, be afraid, be very afraid!!!