Ethiopians Take On Last Somali Islamist Stronghold

posted at 2:17 pm on December 30, 2006 by see-dubya

NYT says they’re chugging along toward the city of Kismayo, where the Islamists seem ready to make their stand. They are still in full Baghdad Bob mode:

Sheilk Sharif Sheikh Ahmed, a high-ranking cleric, vowed not to go down without a fight.

“I want to tell you that the Islamic courts are still alive and ready to fight against the enemy of Allah,” Mr. Ahmed told residents of Kismayo in a speech today. “We left Mogadishu in order to prevent bloodshed in the capital, but that does not mean we lost the holy war against our enemy.”

I think the war is just about to be “entering a new phase” for these guys again.

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“Ethiopia emerges as world’s only superpower capable of defeating Islamic radicals” (The People’s Cube)

Ropera on December 30, 2006 at 2:22 PM

Well, Ethiopia didn’t want to wait for the sternly worded letter from the UN?
Good on them!

shermacman on December 30, 2006 at 2:31 PM

The Ethiopians don’t do dialogue.

JammieWearingFool on December 30, 2006 at 2:36 PM

Heh. We need to hire Ethiopia to “negotiate” with Amadmaninajacket.

Jaibones on December 30, 2006 at 2:38 PM

Hmmm…I wonder what the Ethiopians think of Kim Jong Il?

flipflop on December 30, 2006 at 2:42 PM

The Ethiopian Army must be a bit better equipped than pre WW2 when they were fighting the Italians. More power to them. Maybe this just shows what can be accomplished if you fight a winning instead of a PC war.

duff65 on December 30, 2006 at 2:52 PM

What a moral dilemma for the lefties. Let’s see, if they criticize the Ethiopians, they’ll be
1) labeled as elitists that care nothing for poor people, or worse yet
2) labeled as racists that hate black people.

Have no fear. Faith-bashing to the rescue. They’ll be able to save themselves by telling everyone that the Ethiopians are evil because they are predominantly CHRISTIANS. Oh, those wicked people. Whew! That was a close one.

/sarcasm off

CyberCipher on December 30, 2006 at 3:06 PM

BTW, any chance of Ethiopia annexing Somalia? Wouldn’t hurt my feelings one wit to see that country “disappear” from 21st century cartography.

CyberCipher on December 30, 2006 at 3:11 PM

Before we all go and pop another cork we should make sure we seek the insights of Brolin, Cindy, and Penn. They haven’t been wrong yet. If anyone knows the inner thoughts of the Islamic courts it is them. Thank god for smart people. I wouldn’t be able to stay off the ledge if it wasn’t for them. Praise them, thank them, send money. Ethiopia is a Bush dog and must be stopped! Just like Barney…..like that is his real name…..we know..we KNOW!

Oooops…nursey here, time for another pill…………the perfect compliment to all the beer in my gut.

Limerick on December 30, 2006 at 3:21 PM

just another case of skinny-on-skinny crime.

But hooray for the Ethiopians!

quax1 on December 30, 2006 at 3:22 PM

The Ethiopians don’t do dialogue.

JammieWearingFool on December 30, 2006 at 2:36 PM

Nope – and, they don’t take POWs either. All are executed.

Entelechy on December 30, 2006 at 3:52 PM

BTW, any chance of Ethiopia annexing Somalia? Wouldn’t hurt my feelings one wit to see that country “disappear” from 21st century cartography.

CyberCipher on December 30, 2006 at 3:11 PM

Sorry Cipher, Ethiopia barely has a Christian majority within its own borders. A shame, but Somalia will likely be a source of more problems in the future…

Anyway, I’d like to hear more about the gear that Ethiopia is using. I think it’s mostly Soviet stuff from the 60′s – 80′s. MiGs have been mentioned in articles, but MiG what? MiG 21′s maybe? I also saw some video of the Ethiopians firing a very big anti-tank gun the other day – at least a 100mm – direct fire.

I wonder what that would do to a Toyota pick-up full of jihadists?

forest on December 30, 2006 at 4:05 PM

Stars and Stripes has a pretty good article about CJTF-HOA and training the Ethiopians.

BDU-33 on December 30, 2006 at 4:37 PM

This article is important because it gave the journalist an opportunity to use the word “phalanx”. It has probably been decades since that has happened in journalistic circles. Jeffery Gettleman has just scored points in journo-scrabble where writers for various newspapers compete to use various words in print so they can place them on the scrabble board.

I hope the IC gets their read ends kicked. Ethiopians have been taking Somali prisoners, just not “foreign” prisoners. Foreigners have been summarily executed.

crosspatch on December 30, 2006 at 4:43 PM

I believe Ethiopia is more concerned with it’s shipping/transportation rights/contracts(Which I believe were established in an earlier Ethiopia/Somalia conflict) than in attempting to annex Somalia again.
It is in Ethiopia’s economic best interests for the previous(And currently only widely internationally recognized) Somalian government to return to power.
It is in Somalia’s best interest to return to an internationally recognized government and have their very profitable ports open again.
It is in Ethiopia’s best interest that Somalia do this, since Ethiopia’s exports used to go through Somalian ports.

Sure, I’ll admit this is a coldly Conservative, Capitalist view. But it’s the truth. Nation-States always act in their own best interests. In this case, I hope, the governments and the people of both Somalia and Ethiopia have similar interests..
Which doesn’t include religious psychos.

KeaponLaffin on December 30, 2006 at 5:08 PM

More power to ‘em. Eventually, it’s going to take a worldwide effort to combat and defeat an ever-growing Islamic threat…

The sooner the world realizes that, the better.

JetBoy on December 30, 2006 at 6:23 PM

MiGs have been mentioned in articles, but MiG what? MiG 21’s maybe?

Never trust the media when it comes to aircraft references. “MiG” is generally just a word for “Russian-built aircraft,” just as “F-15″, “F/A-18″, “F-14″, etc. are used interchangeably and without any real interest towards accuracy when refering to or even showing video images of American aircraft. Odds are the people reporting on these matters have never even heard the word “Sukhoi,” and if they have assume it was something Japanese.

In addition to the usual smattering of Mig-21′s and -23′s, Ethiopia has some relatively modern Russian equipment, including Su-27′s and several late-mark Su-25′s, albeit in small numbers. Also, it’s been rumored that they and others in the region have relied in the past on eastern bloc mercenaries to fly their more expensive equipment (in fact, I seem to recall some years ago that mercenary-flown Su-27′s in somebody’s employ–Ethiopia, possible–downed some MiG-29′s in somebody else’s–possibly Eritrea’s? Good subject for some web searching).

I’ve no idea how any of these aircraft have been used against Somalia, but I’d wager that at least the Su-25′s (essentially a somewhat less specialized Soviet/Russian answer to the A-10) have seen some action. And there’s a chance the pilots were not Ethiopians at all, but Russian/Ukrainian/etc. freelancers (I wonder if the word “Honcho”–used to refer to Soviet ringers in the Korean War–would still apply?).

Blacklake on December 30, 2006 at 6:55 PM

Here’s an interesting, if broken-Englished, account of the Ethiopian-on-Eritrean air operations. I don’t think much of what happened is well-documented by western standards, so take it with a grain of salt. (Also, so far as I can determine, at the time Ethiopia did not yet possess Su-25′s.)

http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_189.shtml

Blacklake on December 30, 2006 at 7:07 PM

See what happens when a nation says to hell with what others think we’re going to kick the shit out of those that threaten us and PC be damned. Diplomats, we don’t need no stinkin diplomats………

Go Ethiopia go……….

ritethinker on December 30, 2006 at 7:24 PM

http://somalinet.com/news/world/Somalia/6302

calls for insurgent attacks by Islamic leader.

Ripclawe on December 30, 2006 at 7:42 PM

Perhaps they really are one of the Twelve Tribes.

Tzetzes on December 30, 2006 at 8:00 PM

Ethiopians have been taking Somali prisoners, just not “foreign” prisoners. Foreigners have been summarily executed.

crosspatch on December 30, 2006 at 4:43 PM

Thank you for the clarification crosspatch. It’s still something the ‘civilized elitists’ will condemn and analyze at length. Not on the front burner, yet.

Entelechy on December 30, 2006 at 8:26 PM

It obviously doesn’t take the most modern weapons to defeat the Muslims. It just takes the oldest weapon: determination.

Keep praying for Ethiopia.

PRCalDude on December 30, 2006 at 8:30 PM

Thanks Blacklake – I had no idea they had Su-27s! Honcho pilots? That could cause problems for almost any airforce, let alone jihadists in Toyotas.

I’ll be looking forward to tomorrow’s news on Kismayo. Looks like the Kenyans are pretty serious about keeping the border shut, so the islamic supremacists could be in serious trouble.

forest on December 30, 2006 at 9:06 PM

If Su-27s are shooting down Mig-29s, here or there or anywhere, that’s some damn fine shootin’. If so, it should be reported by the MSM ( fat chance ) to dispell the cliched image that this war consists of Primitives blasting away at each other with Ak-47s and are-pee-gees

Janos Hunyadi on December 30, 2006 at 11:57 PM

If Su-27s are shooting down Mig-29s, here or there or anywhere, that’s some damn fine shootin’. If so, it should be reported by the MSM ( fat chance ) to dispell the cliched image that this war consists of Primitives blasting away at each other with Ak-47s and are-pee-gees

Well, that was back in the 1998-2000 war between Eritrea and Ethiopia. Present-day Somalia doesn’t have any kind of air force that I’m aware of; not even functioning helicopters (a decade or so of anarchy doesn’t do much for aircraft maintenance). However, it does seem to be a common assumption that Ethiopian armed forces would be purely backwater stuff. Compared to the US, Britain, France or even Iran that’s no doubt true, but regionally speaking they seem to be surprisingly well-equipped and relatively potent.

Blacklake on December 31, 2006 at 1:39 AM

I wish that the vain, incompetent, insolent and cowardly nonentity Ehud Olmert was as resolute as the Ethiopians.

Hilts on December 31, 2006 at 12:11 PM

“Mr. Ahmed told residents of Kismayo in a speech today. “We left Mogadishu in order to prevent bloodshed in the capital, but that does not mean we lost the holy war against our enemy.”

Yeah, sure. Like a terrorist animal icehole really ever gave a rats butt about bloodshed. This is a HUGE LOL.

Now, what the heck couldn’t we do a few months ago that the Opian’s now appear to be doing? Political no doubt.

auspatriotman on December 31, 2006 at 12:36 PM

Ethiopia has been at virtual war with Eritrea for a long time and they aren’t known for being bashful, so they are built up militarily and they see the threat coming from Islam.

How is it that Ethiopia “gets it” and America does not?
When New York is under the thumb of Sharia law will we finally put the key in the ignition?

Speakup on January 1, 2007 at 2:25 PM