The Fall of Islamist Somalia

posted at 12:33 am on December 28, 2006 by Bryan

It’s been tough over the past couple of days not to stand up and do a little dance of joy over Ethiopia’s so far masterful efforts in Somalia. Ethiopia very correctly recognized that the United Islamic Courts, the al Qaeda-backed Islamist movement that took control of Mogadishu and most of Somalia this past summer, represents a threat. So Ethiopia acted. And now Bill Roggio reports that Mogadishu has fallen to the Ethiopian and transitional Somali government forces.

Nine days after the onset of open warfare between the al-Qaeda backed Islamic Courts and the Ethiopian backed Transitional Federal Government, the Islamic Courts have surrendered. “After having crucial and urgent meeting tonight in the capital, the leaders of executive and Shura councils of Islamic Courts Union and deputy leader of executive council of ICU, Sheik Hassan Dahir Aweys, Sheik Sharif Sheik Ahmed and Sheik Abdirahman Janaqow resigned and issued a joint press statement over the current situation in Somalia particular in Mogadishu,” reports SomaliNet.

There should be no allowance for any cease-fire talks until the Islamists are well and truly crushed. Keep the UN and the Arab League as far from this fight as possible until it’s truly finished. The Ethiopians and the transitional Somali government forces, fighting together against the Islamists in spite of a history of war between Ethiopia and Somalia, should not make the same mistake Israel and the US have made in Lebanon and Iraq and Afghanistan. They should win the fight outright and dictate terms to the surviving Islamists. Foreign fighters should either be imprisoned and tried for their crimes or, well, imprisoned and tried for their crimes. Anything less, and the Islamists will go to ground and come back with an insurgency in a few months or a year.

In fact, there’s nothing to guarantee that that won’t happen even if the Islamists accept their position and surrender outright. But a real and clear defeat for them and the demonstration of Ethiopia’s resolve will make an insurgency more difficult to mount and might dry up support from Iran and elsewhere. It might also put a dent in the plans fellow Islamists are laying for Israel in Gaza, to see their brethren rejected and defeated on the ground of Black Hawk Down.

Supposing Ethiopia and the TNG go on to win this fight, there’s a lesson in it for us and the rest of the West: Once you decide to fight, fight to win and don’t stop until you have. That’s not a military lesson, but a political one.

Now, to be fair, Ethiopian forces have faced much less impressive and experienced jihadis in Somalia than either the Israelis faced in southern Lebanon or than we have faced in Iraq and Afghanistan. Many of the jihadis in Somalia were reportedly teenage boys pushed to the front lines after the Islamists closed their schools. But that might be balanced by the fact that the US and Israel field far more capable militaries than that of the Ethiopians. What we and the Israelis seem to lack right now, and which the Ethiopians apparently have, is the political will to win without worrying overmuch what the so-called internation community thinks. There is no Ethiopian equivalent of Joe Biden wagging a finger at the Ethiopian leadership over every little thing that isn’t perfect, and there is no Ethiopian equivalent of John Kerry comparing a days-old fight to Vietnam. And aren’t the Ethiopians lucky.


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There should be no allowance for any cease-fire talks until the Islamists are well and truly crushed.

Actually annihilated would be ideal.

But for now, score one for the good guys.

infidel4life on December 28, 2006 at 12:45 AM

Supposing Ethiopia and the TNG go on to win this fight, there’s a lesson in it for us and the rest of the West: Once you decide to fight, fight to win and don’t stop until you have. That’s not a military lesson, but a political one.

Amen. This seems such an obvious fact that it is ludricrous to look at what the weak-spined politicos, along with media mongrels, have turned our fray in Iraq into.

Just like an old axiom about guns, knives, and fighting in general:

Don’t threaten it unless you’re prepared to do it, and to deal with the consequences. And if you’re gonna fight, then you fight to win, period.

An over-simplification to be sure, but this advice would have served our political leadership well in Iraq as well as Vietnam.

hillbillyjim on December 28, 2006 at 1:00 AM

… and there was much rejoicing.

Christoph on December 28, 2006 at 1:37 AM

We are the world.

Black Adam on December 28, 2006 at 2:02 AM

We are the world.

Black Adam on December 28, 2006 at 2:02 AM

There you go with that “imperialist” talk.

Rick on December 28, 2006 at 2:22 AM

I know this is off-topic but that MSNBC add just stands out – with Olby’s big goofy face on there. Well, at least we know Hot Air’s gotten their attention.

Rick on December 28, 2006 at 2:31 AM

Its not a completely fair comparison between Somalia and Iraq.

The Islamicist dont fight a stand up fight. They have been fighting our troops there with suicide bombers and IEDs not military forces.

The same thing would happen in iraq if they came out to fight us.

But truth be know its Iran and Syria giving the Islamics the weapons to fight the war against the US.

William Amos on December 28, 2006 at 3:22 AM

The Islamists are losing.

The Ethiopians are doing what Bubba refused to do.

Way back in 1993 Clinton decided to not fight in Mogadishu. He let American soldiers die in vain. And he gave Osama bin Laden inspiration to plan the Twin Towers attack.

But that was 13 years ago, and people have very short memories.

doingwhatican on December 28, 2006 at 3:40 AM

Looks like Somalia isn’t the only place they are losing too.

They might be having a hard go of it in the Philippines lately too. Seems they are starting to surrender in dribs and drabs. A few just might be claiming a $5 million reward too.

crosspatch on December 28, 2006 at 4:08 AM

Oh, and that article I linked to above mentions that if Radulan Sahiron was elected their leader they would probably lose their connections to foreign terrorists but it doesn’t mention why. The reason is that Sahiron was arrested last Saturday. article link here.

crosspatch on December 28, 2006 at 4:13 AM

Jah beats Allah in a matter of just nine days?
That’s a victory of almost Israeli proportions!

Tzetzes on December 28, 2006 at 4:14 AM

The need for absolute victory though cannot be over-emphasized. In forgetting that, we’ve reversed what Brennus told the Romans and made our motto “vae victoribus”.

Tzetzes on December 28, 2006 at 4:17 AM

Jah beats Allah…

Um, Ethiopia is a CHRISTIAN nation, with one of the oldest Jewish communities in the world. I was always under the impression that Jah was a rastafarian word…

More correct might be to say the the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, incarnated in the person of Jesus of Nazareth, called Christ who was born of a virgin to die for the sins of Man and rise again on the third day beats Allah, a pagan distortion of the above mentioned Creator in just nine days.

Of course, your way is a bit pithier.

Aw, the Hell with it. Go Ethiopia!

Militant Bibliophile on December 28, 2006 at 5:32 AM

Ethiopia a country whose resources are sorely limited is out there doing the job Clinton failed to do and Dhimmicrats generally refuse to do, good for them!!

Viper1 on December 28, 2006 at 6:19 AM

I hope we’re not popping the champagne corks too soon. This AP report from Fox News says that while the Islamists have abandoned Mogadishu, clan militias have taken control, and gov’t and Ethiopian troops have yet to enter the city.

flipflop on December 28, 2006 at 6:43 AM

OK…this very recent report from The Times of London says gov’t troops are entering the city.

Here’s hoping the clan militias break up peacefully.

flipflop on December 28, 2006 at 7:01 AM

I’m not popping the cork on the Champagne yet. These Jihadis can, and will, dig in like ticks. Give it a week, and we shall see if it takes.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on December 28, 2006 at 7:33 AM

Foreign fighters should either be imprisoned and tried for their crimes or, well, imprisoned and tried for their crimes.

… or put into a ditch and machine-gunned.

… or hanged from lamp posts.

… or beaten to death by angry mobs.

Who cares? As long as it’s violent and fatal. And on video.

Ali-Bubba on December 28, 2006 at 7:41 AM

These Jihadis can, and will, dig in like ticks.

Exactly. I can see a long guerrilla war against the government coming.

flipflop on December 28, 2006 at 7:44 AM

If we had the nuts to fight in Iraq like the Ethiopians, we’d be done by now.

The ROE in Iraq needs to be changed big-time so we can do this right.

Ethiopia is a christian nation and guardian of the Arc of the covenant…….nice to see a christian nation that isn’t afraid to fight the Islamist swine the right way……with little or no mercy.

quax1 on December 28, 2006 at 7:49 AM

Question: If there is a resurgence of Islamists (no matter how small), will the MSM and elitists refer to it as a quagmire and make references to Vietnam via Iraq?

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GT on December 28, 2006 at 7:50 AM

What we and the Israelis seem to lack right now, and which the Ethiopians apparently have, is the political will to win without worrying overmuch what the so-called internation community thinks.

And there is the key to winning the war in Iraq; fight to win, don’t fight a holding action. Unfortunately, the MSM and the liberal left have become enamored of the possibility of us losing in Iraq; indeed they think we’ve already lost. The jihadists in Iraq and Afghanistan cannot beat us, only we can beat us.

dalewalt on December 28, 2006 at 8:29 AM

This is clearly an example of good karma coming back to help you when you need it most. Maybe if the Islamic countries had given less money to the terrorists of the PLO and the Taliban in the 80′s, and given more money to the starving children of Ethopia they might have sided with them.

BohicaTwentyTwo on December 28, 2006 at 9:04 AM

UN: “Where are your badges?”

Ethiopia: “Badges? We don’t need no stinking badges!”

Anyway, I hope this holds up. The Islamic Courts Union didn’t seem to have the propaganda working for them as well as the Islamists in Lebanon etc. I don’t know if it’s because propagandists are afraid to work there, or if the ICU simply hasn’t developed the connections and skills in manipulating the media. All I know for sure is that I haven’t seen much over-wrought reportage on “civilian casualties”. I’ve heard mention of a “humanitarian crisis”, but it came with no gruesome staged photos etc.

forest on December 28, 2006 at 9:05 AM

What goes around, comes around. When Ethiopia was in desperate need back in the 80′s, we helped them out. Now that we’re at war with islamic fundies, they’re helpin’ us out. Well, they’re also helpin’ themselves by takin’ out the threat posed by having a radical islamic sharia dominated neighbor, but that helps us out in the long run. Nice work, Ethies! And thank you!

Tony737 on December 28, 2006 at 9:22 AM

Hey Bohica, sorry to steal your point, your post wasn’t there yet when I posted mine. No thievery intended :-)

Tony737 on December 28, 2006 at 9:32 AM

If only we’d known earlier how much butt they could kick when well-fed.

James on December 28, 2006 at 9:40 AM

Allah is a LOSER!

SouthernGent on December 28, 2006 at 10:03 AM

Um, Ethiopia is a CHRISTIAN nation, with one of the oldest Jewish communities in the world. I was always under the impression that Jah was a rastafarian word…

Your impression is only partially correct. The Name of the God of Abraham &c. is יהוה, transliterated for English speakers as YHVH. This is missing the vowels, however, due to certain traditions about the propriety of even speaking the Name.

In most languages, the sound of the yodh (י) is the same as the letter J, particularly in central Europe, where a lot of Jews moved. Coincidentally, in many of those languages, the vav (ו) has the same sound as W, so traditionally the Name has been rendered as JeHoVaH or JaHWeH. It is not uncommmon to see the first syllable ‘Jah’ by itself, whether spelled with the J or Y.

The Rastafarians got the word from the Jews and Christians of Ethiopia.

The Monster on December 28, 2006 at 10:42 AM

The Rastafarians got the word from the Jews and Christians of Ethiopia.

I’m just still wondering where the ganja comes into all of this.

flipflop on December 28, 2006 at 10:55 AM

Multiculturalism, moral relativism, and hand-wringing are uniquely Western traits. They are Western weaknesses. Ethiopia – as a non-Western nation – does not seem to be bound by them. They seem very confident that they are right, that their society is better than the one the Islamists want to impose and that it is worth defending. I hope that is how it turns out, anyway.

Coyote D. on December 28, 2006 at 11:12 AM

I think the problem we had with Iraq was that we thought we were fighting just against one brutal dictator and his regeme.

Turns out we find that we are at war with the whole is Islam. The enemy made this fight about a war against Islam and the media has fed into it with attacks on the US and its soldiers.

We miscalculated. We never thought the whole of Islam would unite just for one dictator. But the truth is 911 wasnt a blip on the radar but the opening salvo in a war between cultures.

Things started in Iraq they will not end there.

William Amos on December 28, 2006 at 11:48 AM

All it takes is a leader. We have the best troops in the world and we let the media be our leader. Where are the gumballs of our leader?

Wade on December 28, 2006 at 11:54 AM

So, if we could only convince the Ethiopians to head on into the Sudan and take out the jajaweed. Life would be good.

EF on December 28, 2006 at 12:04 PM

If they follow the example of Mohammad (Pork Be Upon Him), Sheikh Hassan Dahir Aweys, the leader of the Islamic Courts, will come out and blame the Ethiopian victory on the people of Somalia not being “Islamic Enough“.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on December 28, 2006 at 12:11 PM

I know this is off-topic but that MSNBC ad just stands out – with Olby’s big goofy face on there. Well, at least we know Hot Air’s gotten their attention.

Rick on December 28, 2006 at 2:31 AM

I hate that ad–I can’t see Olbermann’s stupid smug face without wanting to punch it. I miss the cameltoe girl.

ReubenJCogburn on December 28, 2006 at 12:20 PM

Oh, and a loud and thunderous HOOOOAH! to the Ethiopians.

ReubenJCogburn on December 28, 2006 at 12:22 PM

Any day Olby isn’t at GITMO and free to rant about the Bush Administration is just another day he proves himself to be a liar and a fraud.

The day he pulls a Jimmy Hoffa, I might *think* about getting concerned. Of course it has a Snowflakes chance in Baghdad of happening.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on December 28, 2006 at 12:24 PM

Praise to the country of Halle Sellee for taking another stand against evil

Defector01 on December 28, 2006 at 12:34 PM

The disheartening part of this has been the insistence of the UN (as well as from the acting US Ambassador) that there be negotiations/dialogue/talks between the Ethiopians and the Somali interim government and the Islamist Courts. The Somali Interim government is the legitimate government of Somalia. It is recognized and even (according to the wording of some news reports “backed”) by the UN. Yet the UN was willing to sell them out on a virtual whim.

This is yet another comment on the ongoing uselessness of the UN as an international security organization and backer of the rule of international law.

Blaise on December 28, 2006 at 12:34 PM

Ethiopia needs to set the same terms of surrender as the Islamo fascists
No surrender accepted without conversion

LakeRuins on December 28, 2006 at 12:35 PM

I wonder when the leftie MSM will kick in and begin condemning the Christians for ruthlessly kicking islamic ass. I know it will happen, just when is the question.

darwin on December 28, 2006 at 12:50 PM

Quax1 wrote: “The ROE in Iraq needs to be changed big-time so we can do this right.”

I agree. But care has to be taken to “localize” it to Baghdad and Anbar to reflect that the rest of Iraq is not unstable.

georgej on December 28, 2006 at 1:01 PM

There should be no allowance for any cease-fire talks until the Islamists are well and truly crushed.

Hmm, seems like “well” and “truly crushed” are mutually exclusive.

:-)

Kralizec on December 28, 2006 at 1:06 PM

Thank God for the Ethiopians realizing there is only ONE thing the Islamofascists understand: BRUTE FORCE.

labwrs on December 28, 2006 at 1:10 PM

I agree with William Amos, flipflop, and EL Frederick. Jihadis have learned that they can pull a big rope-a-dope by surrendering right away, then digging in and causing havoc over time. Call me Cynical Sally but I’m also not popping the champagne cork yet.

NTWR on December 28, 2006 at 1:41 PM

Except for the phony Palestine liberation movement loudly cheerlead by most of the western leftist lunatics and the Arab league, there would be no Islamic crisis. If the USA and the western nations had unconditionally backed Israel, the assine effort to create a separate nation for the so-called Palestinians whoever they are (I believe most are Jordian radicals kicked out of that country) would not be on the international table. I blame the leftist liberal do-gooders for almost all the wrong in the world. [In his book Savage Nstion, Michael Savage calls them Red Diaper Doper Babies to which I heartily agree!!] They are a danger to everyone including themselves and should be locked up rather than running governments, businesses and schools. If this nation goes down in utter defeat it will be because of them, the enemy within, not the external enemy.

docdave on December 28, 2006 at 2:14 PM

What this victory does show is that the US can use surrogate forces to fight in the WOT.

Maybe the Iraqi army can defeat the insurgents. We just keep to keep Sadr’s and Irans hands off them.

William Amos on December 28, 2006 at 2:37 PM

Hail the armies of the Lion of Judah! :)

MoonbatMedia on December 28, 2006 at 3:06 PM

Congrats to the Ethiopians for kik’n @zz ‘n tak’n namz.

If they follow the example of Mohammad (Pork Be Upon Him), Sheikh Hassan Dahir Aweys, the leader of the Islamic Courts, will come out and blame the Ethiopian victory on the people of Somalia not being “Islamic Enough“.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on December 28, 2006 at 12:11 PM

Gonna steal the PBUH (what a HOOT). Thanks, E.L.
Also FYI:
Regent to the Empress Zauditu from 1916, Ras (Prince) Tafari Makonnen succeeded her to the throne of Ethiopia in 1930, proclaiming himself Haile Selassie (“Might of the Trinity”).

tormod on December 28, 2006 at 3:18 PM

President Bush has set the tone. We do not surrender or negotiate with terrorists (liberals of course do not accept this). The world condemns Bush, but will follow the same course when met with the same challenges. I repeat, President Bush has set the tone on how to deal with terrorists.
He was the right man for the right time.

right2bright on December 28, 2006 at 4:06 PM

According to Bill Roggio:

Several American military and intelligence sources have informed us that the Ethiopians are not taking ‘foreign’ prisoners on the battlefield – al-Qaeda fighters are being summarily executed.

Man it is good to see.

crosspatch on December 28, 2006 at 6:06 PM

Any defeat for radical (is there any other?) Islam is a good thing IMO.

Yakko77 on December 28, 2006 at 8:41 PM

Oh, and a loud and thunderous HOOOOAH! to the Ethiopians.

ReubenJCogburn on December 28, 2006 at 12:22 PM

I second that HOOOOAH!

and add that it’s good to see what can be done without the “help” of the UN. media, etc.

Now if we can let our warfighters do the same without those restrictions, we can clean house, too.

Or simply turn the Middle East into an American parking lot.

Might be simpler and more cost effective.

Emmett J. on December 28, 2006 at 9:19 PM

And aren’t the Ethiopians lucky.

Nail. Hammer. Head.

RH

RobertHuntingdon on December 29, 2006 at 12:09 AM