Goode under fire

posted at 9:22 am on December 28, 2006 by Bryan

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It may be unpopular. But is it UNTRUE? The intellectually honest among us are not xenophobes, we merely see cultures that take the long view (thousands of years) prosper. The CHINESE, for example. Patient people who are eating us from the inside. Islam is next.

seejanemom on December 28, 2006 at 9:32 AM

I visited the haulocaust museum in DC. It gave such a clear answer to the question, “How did this happen?!” I feel like we’re in the same position today. There are voices willing to speak the truth about Islam and the consequences of refusing to stand against the ideology here in the U.S. But it seems the voices that sugar coat the danger are louder.
It’s not an issue that stands alone. The larger issue is that the messages we hear from many different directions is be nice and don’t say that. Anyone under 45 is used to guarding what they say so as not to offend–the consequence is that clear, dogmatic statements make people nervous and uncomfortable. Instead of addressing what’s being said, the nervous listener tries to silence the voice speaking.
But I’m glad your voice and others like it won’t be silenced.

Leiren on December 28, 2006 at 9:36 AM

I’m not yet 45 but I am screaming it from the rooftops.

“Its Germany, 1938, folks! Hell-OOooo…”

Support Conservative Bloggers !!!!

seejanemom on December 28, 2006 at 9:44 AM

It’s like the old saying about those who don’t learn from history. Liberal minds cannot learn anything, because their “truth” is what they WANT to believe, and is more often than not at odds with what history and reality actually is.

Therefore, as a Nation growing in Godlessness and liberal ignorance by the day, the writing is all but on the wall already.

NRA4Freedom on December 28, 2006 at 10:22 AM

Ellison is at best, a foolish man who believes his ties to Terror will increase his stature in the Islamic Communities. At worse, he is a homegrown Jihadi who will be in the hallowed halls of government.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on December 28, 2006 at 10:56 AM

I guess freedom of speech doesn’t apply to everyone. Liberals have their side of the story and we have the truth (Via Mr. Spencer). I guess the “Speak Truth to Power” crowd doesn’t like when used against one of their own. Keep up the great work Mr. Spencer!

If you elected to an office in America I don’t care if you are a Muslim, catholic or a Martian as long as you are an AMERICAN! That means you assimilate into this country and follow and respect all American laws. My problem is this doesn’t appear to be the case anymore. Mr. Spencer raises several valid questions about Mr. Ellison and his leadership. As long as those questions linger Mr. Ellison has no one to blame but himself.

On a side note:
Personally it pisses me off that the Mud Stream Media compares my great Grandfather’s plight with those of Muslims today. Last time I checked my great grandfather moved here from Ireland to improve our family life and opportunities by becoming 100% an AMERICAN citizen. He didn’t move here to blow stuff up. I have never heard my family refer to themselves as Irish-Americans or as German-Americans (via 2 Grandma’s) or even German-Irish-Americans. We are AMERICANS! If you are here now…you are an AMERICAN period! No dashes or hyphens.

“There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism.”
“Americanism is a matter of the spirit and of the soul. Our allegiance must be purely to the United States. We must unsparingly condemn any man who holds any other allegiance.”
Theodore Roosevelt

Sorry for the long winded rant….time to take a nap!

VikingGoneWild on December 28, 2006 at 11:09 AM

Uh oh. Torrent and Jaheydere and Jaquith are not gonna like hearing this…

Jaibones on December 28, 2006 at 11:17 AM

Great Vent from Robert Spencer! This is the solid reporting, clear thinking, and rational commentary we need and that will not make it into the MSM.

Do not expect the majority to listen to this type of Policitically Incorrect rationale – don’t confuse them with the facts – they have their mind made up.

It will take at least 1, but probably 2, major disasters (Pearl Harbor, 9/11, ? and ?) for the majority to “wake up” to the Islamofacist threat and overcome the absurd notions of the “Polictally Correct” Multiculturalism of the Left.

The Muslim is using population as a weapon. Why conquer when you can assimilate? All they have to do is reproduce as quickly as possible to take over a democratic culture with it’s infrastructure intact.

omegaram on December 28, 2006 at 11:46 AM

Uh oh. GREAT! Torrent and Jaheydere and Jaquith are not gonna like hearing this…

Jaibones on December 28, 2006 at 11:17 AM

There. Fixed that for ya’.

CyberCipher on December 28, 2006 at 11:51 AM

Uh oh. Torrent and Jaheydere and Jaquith are not gonna like hearing this…

Jaibones on December 28, 2006 at 11:17 AM

Aww poor wittle dhimmi trolls gonna get undies in a knot.

Warms my black little breaks my heart.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on December 28, 2006 at 11:52 AM

i totally agree with Virgil Goode, sorry but he’s right & i really don’t care what anybody says about my post. let the liberals trolls say what they want, do we actually care about what they say? you see muslims in America do think the way that the islamic jihadists think, but they can’t say anything only because they know they will recieve another backlash like they did days after 9/11.

Starblazer on December 28, 2006 at 12:10 PM

don’t forget about honora & Constantine as well

Starblazer on December 28, 2006 at 12:11 PM

don’t forget about honora & Constantine as well

Starblazer on December 28, 2006 at 12:11 PM

Ah, yes. If only I could forget honora and Constantine — but they have that annoying habit of “turning up” again and again and again.

CyberCipher on December 28, 2006 at 12:14 PM

don’t forget about honora & Constantine as well

Starblazer on December 28, 2006 at 12:11 PM

Ah, yes. If only …

CyberCipher on December 28, 2006 at 12:14 PM

Heh. As soon as I hit “submit” I realized that honora would be hurt, and that I will Never Submit! (My daughter got me the t-shirt for Christmas…)

Jaibones on December 28, 2006 at 12:43 PM

There is no question. His history speaks volumes. The people of Minnesota elected a Jihadist terrorist to Congress to represent them. Their bad.

georgej on December 28, 2006 at 1:34 PM

As NRA put it: “Liberal minds cannot learn anything, because their “truth” is what they WANT to believe, and is more often than not at odds with what history and reality actually is.”

Yep.

George Orwell described the liberal’s mechanism of historical revisionism so well in 1984, didn’t he? And his description of “doubleplus ungood thoughtcrime” closely maps to the concept of “Politically Uncorrect,” too.

georgej on December 28, 2006 at 1:39 PM

Aww it’s nice to know you guys think about me and anticipate what I’ll say before I get around to commenting. Really warms my heart. My New Year’s Eve festivities start tonight and continue through Monday so I won’t be around for awhile. Don’t worry, I’ll miss you too.

JaHerer22 on December 28, 2006 at 2:17 PM

what do you expect the lefties are brainwashed by the elitism media its not like they have their own brains or can think for themselves.

William Amos on December 28, 2006 at 2:40 PM

Happy Jihad Free New Year to you Mr Spencer

Drtuddle on December 28, 2006 at 2:41 PM

Goode and Spencer are both right. And to take it a step further, Islam belongs in the bloody dustbin of its history. Anyone who believes in an ideology which did nothing but pervert Judaism and Christianity to serve its power-hungry founder should not be serving in Congress. The Qur’an is the antithesis of our Bill of Rights and our Constitution.

Connie on December 28, 2006 at 3:51 PM

“Goode and Spencer are both right”

Yes they are. We really need to support Virgil Goode!

Altura Ct. on December 28, 2006 at 4:01 PM

Many people do not remember the dicey question about John Kennedy’s Catholic allegience should he be elected to the white house back in 1960 – i.e. would the Pope be the defacto master on Pennsylvania Ave?

Considering the current radical Islamic activity world wide, a similar question to Rep. Ellison is more than reasonable, especially in light of the strong language the Koran demands of foolowers of Mohammed, and those unconquered by the sword of Islam.

The leftist utopians are under the mistaken belief that the same guiding principles of old (read: Christian philosophy) that helped forge the liberty, rights & responsibility championed in our constitution are somehow universaly embraced by those of other cultures, faiths and worldviews.

This way of thinking is to our peril & possible doom if left unchecked. This is not xenophobia, intolerance or bigotry, but prudence, caution and foresight because we all know that not all ideas are good; not beliefs are true and not all philosophies noble….

…but the gutless wonders of the msm will suck up the PC poop and sling mud at the messenger.

Happy Christmas & Merry New Year!

locomotivebreath1901 on December 28, 2006 at 5:07 PM

Did anyone hear Michael Medved attack Virgil Goode and Debbie Schlussel during the last Friday, Hour 1 radio broadcast? I think it’s possible to criticize both of them without calling them names, but he chose the latter and dismissed them completely, used them as object lessons and examples of rank bigotry. Echoes of Vinnie, Beth and Mark on last week’s thread.

I’d like to hear what any of them have to say about it now in light of Robert Spencer’s clip, or do they see them as totally separate issues?

RD on December 28, 2006 at 5:14 PM

I propose an amendment to the Constitution: Anyone taking the oath to protect, defend, and support the Constitution shall take the oath with their hand on the Constitution. If they take the oath upon the Constitution and abandon that oath, then they shall be removed from office by the Constitution.

Woody

woodcdi on December 28, 2006 at 7:15 PM

Goode stuff. Excellent commentary Mr Spencer. Thank you.

SilverStar830 on December 28, 2006 at 8:30 PM

I applaud and support Mr. Goode and am proud to stand up and say so. By the time the majority of Americans get their heads out of their cans, all they are going to see is the bloody crecent and a koran on every table and I’m sorry to say by then it’ll be too late. All of the buttkissers like the WAPO, that stinking fraud Huffington, the “absolute moral authority” from the NYSlimes will be standing there with the “well, we tried to warn you” look on their faces and the “sold down the river crowd,” will believe them! Mr. Ellison is a total fraud and as far as I’m concerned might as well hold his hand over a bucket of cow manure as he takes his “oath.”

NEMETI IN SYRACUSE on December 28, 2006 at 8:47 PM

It may be unpopular. But is it UNTRUE? The intellectually honest among us are not xenophobes, we merely see cultures that take the long view (thousands of years) prosper. The CHINESE, for example. Patient people who are eating us from the inside. Islam is next. seejanemom on December 28, 2006 at 9:32 AM

I’m not yet 45 but I am screaming it from the rooftops.

“Its Germany, 1938, folks! Hell-OOooo…”

Support Conservative Bloggers !!!!

seejanemom on December 28, 2006 at 9:44 AM

You’re really right, except this time, Neville Chamberlain has many, many helpers on the road to appeasement and ultimate sell-out.

Except this time, it seems that the U. S. and the West is ready to sell out Israel instead of Czechoslovakia, and it’s Iran and Islam instead of Germany, and Ahmidinejad instead of Hitler.

The threat of holocaust is, however, the same if not greater.

In the battle to come,

“There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism.”
“Americanism is a matter of the spirit and of the soul. Our allegiance must be purely to the United States. We must unsparingly condemn any man who holds any other allegiance.”
Theodore Roosevelt

VikingGoneWild on December 28, 2006 at 11:09 AM

It may not be quite too late.

Until then, I pray for God to forgive our collective indifference and to watch over and Bless American Troops everywhere, the IDF, and our true allies.

They will need at least that while our leaders give away the West.

Emmett J. on December 28, 2006 at 10:18 PM

Did anyone hear Michael Medved attack Virgil Goode and Debbie Schlussel during the last Friday, Hour 1 radio broadcast? I think it’s possible to criticize both of them without calling them names, but he chose the latter and dismissed them completely, used them as object lessons and examples of rank bigotry. Echoes of Vinnie, Beth and Mark on last week’s thread.

I’d like to hear what any of them have to say about it now in light of Robert Spencer’s clip, or do they see them as totally separate issues?

RD on December 28, 2006 at 5:14 PM

Isn’t it amazing how the mighty look down upon them that made them?

Oh, sorry, we’re not businessmen who are padding Mr. Medved’s pockets to lie and support publically their position while they use illegal immigrants for legalized slavery in their factories, are we?

My bad!

Emmett J. on December 28, 2006 at 10:21 PM

Did anyone hear Michael Medved attack Virgil Goode and Debbie Schlussel during the last Friday, Hour 1 radio broadcast? I think it’s possible to criticize both of them without calling them names, but he chose the latter and dismissed them completely, used them as object lessons and examples of rank bigotry. Echoes of Vinnie, Beth and Mark on last week’s thread.

RD on December 28, 2006 at 5:14 PM

I use to like Medved… Shame, I think that he is now in the category of “useful useless idiot”.

RalphyBoy on December 28, 2006 at 11:15 PM

The Democrat Party: bringing the jihad to congress, and loving it.

Halley on December 29, 2006 at 1:25 AM

Many in the jihad understand the counterproductive backlash another 9/11 would bring. They have calculated that incremental gains, playing on liberal guilt and with the silent but intimidating threat of violence always in the background, yield better, more longlasting results. Ellison is one small step forward, opening important doors for the spread of sharia in the US. Each concession now made to Islam, however seemingly tiny, will stick like superglue in the culture, and the accumulative effect will sooner or later result in a situation not unlike that of France. I am not seeing enough fortitude in Americans to resist this – the cancer of liberal guilt is being treated with nothing but placebos, when it is treated at all. Expect inroads for jihadist Islam in the US in 2007.

Halley on December 29, 2006 at 1:40 AM

Excellent essay by Dianna West

The Washington Times
http://www.washingtontimes.com
A question for 2007
By Diana West
Published December 29, 2006

Taking a whack at prognostication at the end of 2005, it wasn’t hard to imagine, as I did, that 2006 would be a rotten year for freedom of speech. Both inside the Islamic world and, more alarmingly, outside the Islamic world, Shariah laws prohibiting criticism of Islam were already working smoothly. When in 2005 we watched the death-penalty-seeking prosecution of editor Ali Mohaqeq Nasab for “blasphemy” in U.S.-liberated Afghanistan, we could see we were dealing with a Shariah state. When in 2005 we watched the early stages of what later became known as “Cartoon Rage” in Denmark, we could see we were dealing with a Shariah state of mind. It wasn’t exactly going out on a limb to predict things would only get worse.
And, of course, in 2006, they did. Just ask Abdul Rahman if you can find him. The “apostate” fled Afghanistan for his life last spring. Or Robert Redeker, if you can find him. The teacher who published a critique of Islam in September still lives in hiding in France. Or maybe Salah Uddin Shoaib Choudhury. The Bangladeshi journalist faces the death penalty when he goes on trial in January for “blasphemy” and treason for writing favorably about Israel and unfavorably about Islamic terrorism. Of course, such censorship is “Over There” and beyond, not in the United States of America, right? And it can’t, as they say, happen here. Right? Please, right?
I called 2006 “The Year of Speaking Dangerously,” and that was before anyone likely imagined seeing “Behead Those Who Insult Islam” placards on jihadist display outside the Danish Embassy in London. What kind of year will 2007 be? What I fear most is that it will turn out to be “The Year of Shutting Up.” As in: Why speak dangerously when you can simply not speak at all?
In fact, the Year of Shutting Up probably began back in September when Pope Benedict famously argued that the practice of forced conversion — key to Islamic expansion over the centuries — is inimical to both faith and reason. The eruption of anger among Muslims at such criticism was instantaneous and severe. Just shut up, the umma exclaimed. Basically, the pope did exactly that.
At the time, Daniel Pipes explained why placating such anger with silence was dangerous for the West: “The Muslim uproar has a goal — to prohibit criticism of Islam by Christians and thereby impose Shariah norms in the West. Should Westerners accept this central tenet of Islamic law, others will surely follow. Retaining free speech about Islam, therefore, represents a critical defense against the imposition of an Islamic order.”
Mr. Pipes’ language — “shariah norms in the West,” “the imposition of an Islamic order” — evokes a potential transformation of our culture that is nothing short of revolutionary. Our elites seem not to have the slightest clue how devastating such a change, which comes under the rubric of Islamization, would be to our Judeo-Christian-rooted civilization. Indeed, it is increasingly clear that they don’t know the difference between “an Islamic order” and Judeo-Christian-rooted civilization — or even that there is a difference.
There are exceptions. In November, there was Rep. Ginny Brown-Waite, Florida Republican, who stood up for constituents’ free speech under CAIR pressure. Now Rep. Virgil Goode, Virginia Republican, has become both the lone standard-bearer of free speech about Islam and the favorite whipping boy of the PC elites. In a letter to constituents about the decision of Rep.-elect Keith Ellison, Minnesota Democrat, to use a Koran at his swearing-in ceremony, Mr. Goode expressed what I take to be his recognition that the laws of Islam — which prohibit religious freedom, freedom of speech and conscience, equality before the law and women’s rights — do not augment but rather contravene the founding principles of the United States.
He also wrote: “I fear that in the next century we will have many more Muslims in the United States if we do not adopt the strict immigration policies that I believe are necessary to preserve the values and beliefs traditional to the United States of America.” It’s difficult to argue with Mr. Goode’s logic. Indeed, the test case of the age — Europe — demonstrates that Islamic immigration brings Islamic law, which is demonstrably at odds with American values and beliefs. Forgoing debate, however, Mr. Goode’s critics have resorted to name-calling and platitudes about “tolerance,” failing utterly to notice the gross intolerance of the Islamic tradition. Worst of all, their tactics seem designed to shut up Mr. Goode, and anyone else who might follow his bold example. Will they?
It’s the question of 2007.

heroyalwhyness on December 29, 2006 at 11:20 AM

There are certainly legitimate questions that can be asked of Ellison. Virgil Goode didn’t ask them. So he’s still just a racist, nativist bigot.

Instead of rallying behind Goode, why not just ask the questions? I can’t really feel too badly that the MSM isn’t asking the questions and is becoming distracted by Goode’s idiocy, because Spencer is doing the same thing here. Instead of asking if it’s okay to ask the questions or asking why the MSM hasn’t asked the question why not just ask the questions!?

And for any who will try to discredit this comment because I referred to Goode as a racist, nativist bigot, here is a direct quote with evidence of the allegation:

We need to stop illegal immigration totally and reduce legal immigration and end the diversity visas policy pushed hard by President Clinton and allowing many persons from the Middle East [racism/ethnic bigotry] to come to this country. I fear that in the next century we will have many more Muslims in the United States [religious bigotry] if we do not adopt the strict immigration policies that I believe are necessary to preserve the values and beliefs traditional to the United States of America and to prevent our resources from being swamped [nativism].

Mark Jaquith on December 31, 2006 at 3:31 AM

Mark is such a stud the way he stridently mind-numbingly restorts to his Leftist Counter-Argumentation Flash Cards so that he can shut down discussion without knowing any facts.

VinceP1974 on January 2, 2007 at 11:00 AM

I’m not in any shape or form, a leftist. If I were being sworn into office, I’d swear on a copy of The Fountainhead, possibly the quintessential anti-leftist book in American literature.

I didn’t try to shut down discussion… I merely provided proof that my reference to Goode as a racist, nativist bigot was based on statements he made. If you’d like to explain why I’m wrong and why Goode’s statements are in no way racist, nativist or bigoted, be my guest.

Mark Jaquith on January 5, 2007 at 5:23 AM