Spanish Muslims ask Pope to let them pray in Cordoba cathedral

posted at 7:58 pm on December 27, 2006 by Allahpundit

Sure thing. Just as soon as we do something about this:

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Dhimmi that old time religion.

Slublog on December 27, 2006 at 8:04 PM

If they are allowed to do so I am pretty sure the church will become Muslim turf by their twisted little rule book.Just say no.
This is your brain.
This is your brain in a burka.

bbz123 on December 27, 2006 at 8:06 PM

It’s Open Season!!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ymLJz3N8ayI

Egfrow on December 27, 2006 at 8:06 PM

Muslims are now forbidden from praying there and security guards often scuffle with Muslim worshippers who try to pray inside.

Spain, a traditionally Roman Catholic country, has a Muslim community of around 800,000 people out of a total population of 44 million.

They never take no for an answer.

JammieWearingFool on December 27, 2006 at 8:06 PM

hmmm – now what was there before the Al Asqa mosque?

uptight on December 27, 2006 at 8:16 PM

Listen to For the Cause of Allah!

Egfrow on December 27, 2006 at 8:17 PM

Dhimmi that old time religion.

Slublog on December 27, 2006 at 8:04 PM

“Sluglog,”

That made me laugh!

Clever!

I wonder if the Catholics can get permission to have a mass in Mecca, celebrated by Pope Benedict, or if Reverend Graham can conduct a prayer service in Medina.

William

William2006 on December 27, 2006 at 8:37 PM

Dare we make the same request for the Eastern Orthodox rite vis a vis the Hagia Sophia?

Il Padrino on December 27, 2006 at 8:40 PM

As soon as we take back the Temple Mount.

Muslims wont even allow Jews or Christians INSIDE, let alone to pray.

shooter on December 27, 2006 at 8:40 PM

Correction:

Make that “Slugblog,” that made me laugh – clever!

Sorry for the tyop, er toyop, or, sorry for the tipyo>, er, sorry for the typo!

William

William2006 on December 27, 2006 at 8:41 PM

I thought I turned off the strike through feature.

Sorry for the typo!

William

William2006 on December 27, 2006 at 8:42 PM

Spain, try to stay strong. Do not cave more than you have. Pope Benny, you know the truth. Apply it. Do not allow this.

CrimsonFisted on December 27, 2006 at 8:46 PM

“We (Spanish Muslims) would like to share it with you (the Catholic community) a prayer, that could serve to awake the conscience of Christians and Muslims and prove that it is possible to bury past confrontations,…

sure. Then after you bring 10,000 of your closest friends along and sqeeze out everyone else 5 times a day, only moslims will want to go in there. Another church bites the dust under sharia law.
new signs – obligatory for muslims- STAY AWAY.

shooter on December 27, 2006 at 8:47 PM

You have got to be kidding me.

They now want to worship as one?

Anyone ask Israel how that is going?

From

Sheikh Abubukar Hassan Malin …wherever you are to hunt down the Pope for his barbaric statements as you have pursued Salman Rushdie, the enemy of Allah who offended our religion. Whoever offends our Prophet Mohammed should be killed on the spot by the nearest Muslim.”

F15Mech on December 27, 2006 at 8:50 PM

Maybe their own ammo dumps,oops I mean mosques are filled up and they need somewhere to keep the backstock?

bbz123 on December 27, 2006 at 8:53 PM

Maybe El Cid could help them find their way to a mosque in Morocco, ya’ think? I always said that 1492 was a good year.

CyberCipher on December 27, 2006 at 9:10 PM

This is clearly a set up! Build your own Cathederal parasites!

sonnyspats1 on December 27, 2006 at 9:10 PM

Hmmm. Come to think of it, it was 400+ years between the time of El Cid and the time of King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella. I don’t want to wait that long. Oh well. Bygones.

CyberCipher on December 27, 2006 at 9:12 PM

“Pray” ????
I do not think this word means the same thing to them as it does other religions.
Wishing death upon all others,hey,even some of your own ,frankly does not quite qualify as prayer in civilized societies.

bbz123 on December 27, 2006 at 9:14 PM

Wishing death upon all others,hey,even some of your own ,frankly does not quite qualify as prayer in civilized societies.

Sure it does, right alongside other traditional Arabic benisons…

“May the fleas of a thousand camels…”

“May your offsprings’ fingers…”

“May each day of your life be…”

“May the mother of your wife…”

Freelancer on December 27, 2006 at 9:22 PM

Spain’s Muslim community tried this once before. It’s a bad move (as most readers here know). As far as “burying past confrontations,” making the cathedral of Cordoba a mosque too would only highlight the current confrontation. Since the time of Ferdinand the Saint, Cordoba has not been under Muslim control for almost eight centuries. Talk about bringing up the past.

Chris L. on December 27, 2006 at 9:24 PM

Chris L, eight centuries ago is still the future as far as Islam is concerned,still way too progressive for them.

bbz123 on December 27, 2006 at 9:28 PM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/pope/story/0,,1979139,00.html

It was timed to capitalise on the Pope’s recent goodwill gestures to defuse Muslim anger after he quoted disparaging remarks by a 14th-century Christian emperor about the Prophet Muhammad, said the president of the Islamic Board of Spain, Mansur Escudero.

Inch..yard.

Ripclawe on December 27, 2006 at 9:30 PM

I believe the laws of Spain allow people to possess copies of the Koran, and to purchase land upon which they are perfectly free to build mosques.

In Saudi Arabia, not only are there entire cities where being a non-muslim is punishable by death, no one is allowed to bring the scriptures of any other religion into the country, nor can any places of worship for those religions be built.

Cry me a river about al-Andalus.

The Monster on December 27, 2006 at 10:29 PM

Wishing death upon all others,hey,even some of your own ,frankly does not quite qualify as prayer in civilized societies.

Are you saying that some Muslim leaders are un-civilized?

After all the quote below was not a prayer it was a Jihad.

wherever you are to hunt down the Pope for his barbaric statements as you have pursued Salman Rushdie, the enemy of Allah who offended our religion. Whoever offends our Prophet Mohammed should be killed on the spot by the nearest Muslim.”

F15Mech on December 27, 2006 at 11:00 PM

The IHT article missed this gem, from the Al Jazeera article that appeared the day before:

The mosque itself was built on the site of the earlier cathedral of St Vincent which was demolished by Cordoba’s Muslim rulers following the Islamic invasion and occupation of parts of southern Spain in the eight century.

1300 years, and little has changed.

elpresidente on December 27, 2006 at 11:17 PM

At least the Al Jazeera folks were honest enough to call it an “invasion and occupation” and not some flowery garden of tolerance and interreligious tranquility.

elpresidente on December 27, 2006 at 11:24 PM

On another note…has anyone caught a glimpse of “What is a Christian” on CNN with Cooper tonight? What a freaking oxymorom…those vultures don’t have a heart close to christian values..wasn’t there something similar in the Nazi regieme…”What is a Jew?”

lsutiger on December 27, 2006 at 11:42 PM

It’s Open Season!!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ymLJz3N8ayI

Egfrow on December 27, 2006 at 8:06 PM

I usually can’t stand any rap style stuff, but that song freakin’ JAMS!!!!!!

Lonevoice on December 28, 2006 at 12:41 AM

On another note…has anyone caught a glimpse of “What is a Christian” on CNN with Cooper tonight? What a freaking oxymorom…those vultures don’t have a heart close to christian values..wasn’t there something similar in the Nazi regieme…”What is a Jew?”

lsutiger on December 27, 2006 at 11:42 PM

“1sutiger,”

I did not see or hear that program.

Could you elaborate on the content, or summarize the essence of what you saw and heard?

Thank you.

William

William2006 on December 28, 2006 at 2:35 AM

Muslims are now forbidden from praying there and security guards often scuffle with Muslim worshippers who try to pray inside.

The reporter should have been more precise. Something like:
Muslims are not permitted to have prayer calls during Catholic mass. Guards have scuffled with Muslim “worshippers” who make a specatacle of themselves and chant anti-American and anti-Spanish screed.

cmay on December 28, 2006 at 8:31 AM

On another note…has anyone caught a glimpse of “What is a Christian” on CNN with Cooper tonight? What a freaking oxymorom…those vultures don’t have a heart close to christian values..wasn’t there something similar in the Nazi regieme…”What is a Jew?”

lsutiger on December 27, 2006 at 11:42 PM
“1sutiger,”

I did not see or hear that program.

Could you elaborate on the content, or summarize the essence of what you saw and heard?

Thank you.

William

William2006 on December 28, 2006 at 2:35 AM

Richard Lamb speaks of it here and CNN has the transcript of the program here.

Richard Lamb is head of “Faith and Family”. Faith and Family is the broadcast Ministry of the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission (ERLC) which is an agency of the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC).

armyvet on December 28, 2006 at 9:07 AM

Just another front on their war of world domination, one acre, one building, one law, one election, one life at a time.

Tony737 on December 28, 2006 at 10:06 AM

The reporter should have been more precise. Something like:Muslims are not permitted to have prayer calls during Catholic mass. Guards have scuffled with Muslim “worshippers” who make a specatacle of themselves and chant anti-American and anti-Spanish screed.

Humor aside, who needs them putting down their prayer rubs and sticking their ass up in the air 5 times a day? That is disruptive and negates the fact that it is a Catholic Church — not a mosque. And apparantly, it was a church long before it was a mosque. Muslims begone!

EF on December 28, 2006 at 11:15 AM

Slublog, that was very funny. Have a great day,all.

Oh, by the way:
From the Lumen Gentium: But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Mohamedans, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind.”
Problem: Allah is not God, so they do NOT adore along with Catholics the one and merciful God. Allah is the Great Satan, and the Lumen Gentium is dead wrong.
I posted this here once before and someone suggested I was taking it out of context. Nope. It’s an either or question-either Allah is God the Creator Catholics worship, or he ain’t.
He ain’t. So “Mohamedans” are not just unknowing brothers who haven’t yet heard the Gospel, they are worshiping the wrong god. I’m only reposting this because it seems pertinent to the conversation so please, no flaming from Catholics or Mohamedans-my people have been flamed enough by both.

Doug on December 28, 2006 at 11:24 AM

The Turks took Constantinople and turned the Hagia Sofia, the greatest church in christianity, into a musem. Why should the Muslims keep their conquests but Christians not?

The Muslims can pray in that Spanish church the day after the Pope holds a mass in the Hagia Sofia.

albo on December 28, 2006 at 11:45 AM

If they convert to catholicism,
I would love to hear them praying the Lord’s Prayer.

otherwise, keep them filthy dogs out.

Marvin on December 28, 2006 at 11:50 AM

Give the Muslim one inch and they will use that crack to take more, and more, and more. They will never give one inch however, can you imagine the reaction to Christians wanting to practice their religion in a Mosque?

Egfrow: that piece on “For the Cause of Allah” was great! (Wish we had a numbering system for comments).

omegaram on December 28, 2006 at 11:59 AM

Does ANYBODY!!!!! remember about a month ago when the Pope visited the former santa Sofia Cathedral in Istanbul (formerly Constantinople)? He had to vitually walk on eggshells lest any movement, inadvertent or otherwise could possibly be interpreted as an attempt to pray inside the former Cathedral.

Is there a diplomatic way to tell these guys to “Get stuffed”?

Blaise on December 28, 2006 at 2:52 PM

All of these efforts by Muslims are simply the opening salvos of the coming new war between Christianity and Islam. It will turn into a full fledged war. But not before Europe falls prey to Islam and is forced to bow 5 times a day to a God that does not exist. If they do not bow 5 times a day they will be treated like 5th class citizens (dhimmis).

Then out of the West will arise a great man who will spur his people and all those who seek freedom and he will shatter the chains and break the shackles that enslave those who suffer under the yoke of Islam. He will go forth and conquer the muslim infidels. He will crush them in their homes, he will bring down the roof of the caves where they dwell. He will bring freedom to the West.

So you can use that if you want as a prophecy.

All joking aside…This will turn into an open war between Christianity and Islam. One cannot stand freedom and the other cannot stand tyranny.

armyvet on December 28, 2006 at 3:16 PM

They may be allowed to pray in a Roman Catholic cathedral as soon as they convert to Christianity and accept communion.

Of course, they will have to pray without their heads as any ‘true believer’ would, with great enthusiasm and much fanfare, behead them for daring to insult the ‘peaceful’ religion of Islam by converting to the evil religion of the infidels. But that is a small price to pay for wanting to “awake the conscience of Christians and Muslims and prove that it is possible to bury past confrontations.”

RedinBlueCounty on December 28, 2006 at 3:40 PM

This is your brain.
This is your brain in a burka.

bbz123 on December 27, 2006 at 8:06 PM

Sounds just like Dearbornistan or any of a hundred places here at home.

All joking aside…This will turn into an open war between Christianity and Islam. One cannot stand freedom and the other cannot stand tyranny.

armyvet on December 28, 2006 at 3:16 PM

Sooooooooooooooo right!

The war, the clash of civilizations began long ago, except that most (me included) couldn’t see it then.

We need to do what ever we have to do to survive.

The fate not only of the West depends on it, so too does that of civilization itself.

Is there a diplomatic way to tell these guys to “Get stuffed”?

Blaise on December 28, 2006 at 2:52 PM

Yes!

Emmett J. on December 28, 2006 at 10:00 PM

Lots of good interesting posts here. These Spanish Muslims, whatever their motives are, might be playing rope-a-dope with the Christian community just like they are elsewhere throughout the world. And they’re creeping and infiltrating their culture throughout Europe.

USN6872 on December 29, 2006 at 10:46 AM