As for Enrique, dude, grow the hell up. If you have issues with religion, fine. But to broad brush all religious types as ignorant fools and dolts is frankly more than a little childish. Are you that threatened? God knows I’m not threatened by agnostics and atheists; they are welcome to their views despite how misguided I think they may be. I’m not going to call them fools, rather I will let their actions speak for them, just as I would any religious man. As I previously stated, in this Republic, we’re all equals under the law and entitled to our own opinions. As such, I will state mine and expect you to state yours. When you start insulting me, mine, and my beliefs, you have passed beyond the bounds of civilized discussion (this goes for anyone, myself included) and is more than anything an indicator that you should be strengthening your arguments rather than raising you voice.

I’d put that last line in quotes, but I forget who said it first. I suspect Shakespeare or Churchill.

C’mon, people, wake up and leave God behind. He left us behind a looooooong time ago, and He’s never coming back. Accept it and live for today, because living for the next life doesn’t help anyone now.

In terms of elitism, I have no problem taking an elitist view of people who believe in nonsense.

Did anyone else read this Sam Hiarris op-ed in the LAT on Christmas Eve? It warmed my heart.

Enrique on December 28, 2006 at 11:11 AM

GODHas never left us,we have left him by the typical liberal BS. Get real Enrique, put down whatever your smoking and just know we are in for the fight of our lives GOOD vs EVILIf people can’t see it or belive, I hope you all wake up before it is to late. Our God is mercifull but HE aure can’t be fooled by no man, period, You reap what you sew. So take your trash talk down to your gutter and share it with your buddies. I hope you enjoy he heat when it;s your time to met God and see how far you can backstep. I y won’t work,sorry.

All the fun happens when I’m over at LGF.

Enrique…Enrique……..you here???

I wish my conservative friends were as cool as this guy.

JaHerer22 on December 27, 2006 at 6:17 PM

I wish all my lefty friends weren’t as lame as you.

Thank you for proving Ronald Reagan right when he said, “It isn’t that Liberals are ignorant. It’s just that they know so much that isn’t so.”

As far as Republicans being on the wrong side of Civil Rights, you have successfully proven Reagan right. The reality is that it was a Republican who first worked to pass a Civil Rights bill. That Republican was Dwight D. Eisenhower. I strongly suggest you read up on the Civil Rights Acts of 1957 and 1960. He also supported Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka.

I would also remind you that the Civil Rights Act of 1964 would not have passed if the majority of Republicans hadn’t voted. Don’t forget the Democrats had a veto proof majority in the Senate at the time.

Just a note: Being an atheist doesn’t prove one’s intellectual superiority.

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like the civil rights issue – conservatives were on the wrong side of it 50 years ago and have always paid the price since.
Enrique on December 28, 2006 at 11:11 AM

You should read a little more history Enrique. It was the Church’s who were the primary movers of eliminating slavery. It was the church’s who set up the underground that made it possible for slaves to escape out of the democratic south and move towards freedom. The Republican party was built on the platform of no slavery, against the Democrats and the KKK.
In the 60’s, it was the Republican’s that cast the votes for minorities. While people like Gore and other democrats that fought bitterly against. The last known KKK leader in the senate is a democrat.
Your’s is the kind of education you get going to a secular school. You believe everything your told, but do not have the resources to research the truth.

PS.Cybercipher–Collies are real smart.

I agree with his contempt for religous people.
Enrique on December 28, 2006 at 11:11 AM

Ding! I am glad that you believe in free speech. You won’t object then if I register an equal amount of contempt for atheists.

There’s nothing conservative or intellectual about believing in God.
Enrique on December 28, 2006 at 11:11 AM

Ding! Correct. Faith in God is a spiritual matter.

Responsible grown ups (read: conservatives) don’t make an imaginary being responsible for their decision making.
Enrique on December 28, 2006 at 11:11 AM

Ding! Correct again, because the Creator went to a GREAT deal of trouble in order to give all of us “free will.” Philosophers debated this topic for centuries. What most people don’t realize is that the issue was finally laid to rest in the 1920s — not by philosophers or theologians, but by physicists. The underlying fabric of the universe is probablistic, not deterministic. God EXPECTS us to make our own decisions and suffer the consequences. It’s called “the learning process.”

…religious belief is going the way of the dodo in America.
Enrique on December 28, 2006 at 11:11 AM

Buzzzzt. Wrong. That may be true in Europe and in some of the blue states, but it is not true in the red states. Furthermore, “religion” as you call it, is growing exponentially elsewhere and in the third-world. The number of people on the planet that hold religious beliefs vastly outstrips you atheists, and the percentages are rapidly growing in favor of “the faithful.”

like the civil rights issue – conservatives were on the wrong side of it 50 years ago and have always paid the price since.
Enrique on December 28, 2006 at 11:11 AM

Buzzzzt. Wrong on both counts. It is true that it was folly for some of the conservatives to resist the civil rights movement the way that some of them did. The liberals were guilty of an amount of folly that far exceeded their conservative counterparts with their “Great Society” and the creation of the welfare state. You need to take a harder look at the story told by the statistics relating to the fate of the black family unit in the U.S. in the past 50 years. Furthermore, it wasn’t the conservatives that paid the price, it was all of us that paid the price.

In 20 years, we’re going to be sitting around wondering why we were so concerned about stopping gay marriages and abortions when no one cares about those issues anymore
Enrique on December 28, 2006 at 11:11 AM

Buzzzzt. Wrong again on both counts. I remember back in the 1970s when Anita Bryant campaigned against so-called “gay rights initiatives.” Liberals said that in 20 years no one would care about this. I remember Roe vs. Wade in the 1970s. Liberals said that in 20 years no one would care about this. Guess what? It’s 25 – 30 years later. People still care. A LOT of people still care. The past is a better indicator of the future than your crystal ball.

In terms of elitism, I have no problem taking an elitist view of people who believe in nonsense.
Enrique on December 28, 2006 at 11:11 AM

Ding! You are free to take this position. The Bill of Rights that was added to the Constitution of the United States guarantees it. If, however, you think that you are going to deprive me of those same rights (simply because I vehemently disagree with you), it is YOU that will pay the consequences for your folly. There are some of us out here that will defend those aforementioned rights in ways that are FAR scarier than simply “taking an elitist view.” The phrase “by any means necessary” comes to mind. So. Are you ready to rumble with likes of people like me?

Enrique on December 28, 2006 at 11:11 AM

Let me see…how many hospitals have atheists and agnostics built? How many academic institutions have the atheists and agnostics built? Answer: none!

If you went to a school of higher education, or an elite school that you so admire (i.e., Jeffery at Dartmouth), then thank God for your education. If you have cancer or need a heart transplant, thank God for your cure.

…some of my friends tell me they are conservative.

JaHerer22 on December 28, 2006 at 9:21 AM

Perhaps you should abandon HA and start lurking at a remedial conservative web-site instead. I don’t like having to repeat yesterday’s lesson, but here goes:

My collie smokes cigars, plays cards, and talks. My collie told me “JaHerer is a troll.” Do you believe that too? Would I lie? Just because your friends SAY that they’re conservative, doesn’t mean that they ARE conservatives.

Besides, no where have you provided us with any proof that you are capable of recognizing a conservative when you see one. Furthermore, no where have you provided us with any proof that you have ANY friends of ANY kind. For all we know, Borat is your best friend. Did Borat tell you that he is a conservative?

Damn it feels good to be a liberal dipstick.

JaHerer22 on December 28, 2006 at 9:21 AM

There. Fixed that for ya’. No need to thank me. Just bein’ neighborly.

Responsible grown ups (read: conservatives) don’t make an imaginary being responsible for their decision making.

Umm I don’t know any Christian who thinks God makes them less responsible for their decisions in fact for most they feel more responsibility to make the right decisions.

leaving this God thing behind and push the free-market principles that everyone agrees with

Don’t make me laugh, what imaginary world do you live in to believe that everyone agrees with free-market principles. I take it you haven’t been to many anti-war rallies. Check out my pictures from a recent rally in Seattle (Oct 28 2006)

In terms of elitism, I have no problem taking an elitist view of people who believe in nonsense.

So much for acceptance, maybe a need for God is born into us… We can’t help it, and so it would be wrong for others to judge us based on our desire to find our place with God… Please show some of the tolerance for us that the left demands we show them (I am assuming you’re left)

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Enrique does kind of smell like Primordial Stew…dontcha think?

Or did AllahPundit just forget to change the cat litter again??????????

(I knew it was wrong when I saw htp:,twice…sorry)

Meanwhile, I’ll just continue with my irrational behavior of looking in awe at all Creation that you believe just happened by accident.

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God is still there, whether YOU believe in Him or not.

And the fires of Hell are still hot, whether YOU believe it or not.

If you had two shreds of intellectual honesty, you would at the very least understand Pascal’s Wager…and place your bets accordingly.

This is the same thing. In 20 years, we’re going to be sitting around wondering why we were so concerned about stopping gay marriages and abortions when no one cares about those issues anymore and free-market conservatism is dead. C’mon, people, wake up and leave God behind. He left us behind a looooooong time ago, and He’s never coming back. Accept it and live for today, because living for the next life doesn’t help anyone now.

In terms of elitism, I have no problem taking an elitist view of people who believe in nonsense.

Did anyone else read this Sam Hiarris op-ed in the LAT on Christmas Eve? It warmed my heart.

You have a Conservative friend. I am certain of it. And I bet you have a *Black* friend, too.

I wish my conservative friends were as cool as this guy.

JaHerer22 on December 27, 2006 at 6:17 PM
Wait…what makes you think that you HAVE conservative friends?

Um, the fact that some of my friends tell me they are conservative.

I’ll take a shotgun tottin’, Walmart shoppin’, Bible thumpin’, pickup truck drivin’, snoose spittin’, cowboy that hangs out at the bowling alley, drinks domestic beer, and watches NASCAR ANY friggin’ day of the week over this schmuck.

Now I understand why we don’t get along so well. I can’t wait to get off work so can get in my Volvo, throw on NPR, drive over to Whole Foods for some sushi and good Belgian beer, and then go home and relax with a joint amd some Tivo’ed Daily Show. Damn it feels good to be a liberal.