Pushback on HRW Fauxtography report
posted at 3:35 pm on December 26, 2006 by see-dubya
I don’t know much about Al Hamzatav, but they’ve got some fair questions about HRW’s Qana fauxtography report.
As for the report itself, I find it interesting that HRW has ruled out every option except a drone-fired mini-missile–emphases mine:
Human Rights Watch originally reported that the ambulances had been struck by missiles fired from an Israeli airplane, but that conclusion was incorrect. In its follow-up investigation, Human Rights Watch considered all of the possible sources for the missiles that hit the ambulances, including Israeli air plane fire, Israeli helicopter fire, Israeli drone fire, or Israeli artillery fire, as well as the possibility that the ambulances had been hit by a Hezbollah-fired Katyusha rocket or artillery.
A missile from an Israeli airplane can be ruled out, as such missiles would have caused much more massive destruction and have left a huge crater.
…[Katyusha and artillery rockets are ruled out]…
The limited damage and the high precision of the strikes on the ambulances suggest that the weapon was a smaller type of missile fired from an Israeli drone or helicopter. Israel is in possession of an arsenal of highly precise missiles that can be fired from either helicopters or drones and are designed to limit the damage to their targets. The Israeli-designed and manufactured SPIKE anti-armor missile system and the still experimental DIME (dense inert metal explosive) missile are examples of smaller missiles designed to cause smaller explosions and limit collateral damage.
The HRW report links to this site to explain the DIME reference. The only connection between DIME explosives and Israel is this:
In mid-October 2006 a team of investigative journalists at RAI Italian television reported that Israel had been using a new weapon in the Gaza Strip, similar to DIME – dense inert metal explosive. The report was produced by the same journalists who claimed without foundation that the US used White Phosphorus (WP) against civilians during attacks on Fallujah. According to the Israeli daily Haaretz, the weapon was launched from drones in the summer of 2006, most of them in July, and led to “abnormally serious” physical injuries.
All right, but how do these things work? Did these mystery missiles explode on top of the ambulance, tearing down the roof, or underneath it–which would have buckled the metal upwards instead of down?

I’m certainly not dismissing HRW’s report out of hand, but I don’t think it’s quite the slam dunk they think it is and it raises quite a few new questions. I look forward to Zombie’s response.









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Begun the second Fauxtography war has.
One Angry Christian on December 26, 2006 at 3:39 PM
I think the purpose of the HRW report was to assist fauxtography apologists that there actually was a conclusive rebuttal to zombie’s work. (for bar-room arguments’ sakes). They weren’t really interested in making sure the ‘rebuttal’ was bulletproof.
Their report doesn’t conclusively prove or disprove anything zombie documented, and I doubt after a zombiefied response, they’ll be another 5 months trying to recover and respin.
Good Lt on December 26, 2006 at 3:45 PM
In the meantime, anyone up for Fisking Fisk?
JammieWearingFool on December 26, 2006 at 3:47 PM
Get ‘em Zombie!
Theworldisnotenough on December 26, 2006 at 3:49 PM
Sorry – allow me to clarify – they will be another few months trying to respond.
The report is merely meant to be a foil for fauxtography detectives.
Ain’t workin, apparently.
Good Lt on December 26, 2006 at 3:53 PM
Is it really that hard to say, “Oops. Yeah. We were duped. Our bad. We’ll be more vigilant next time.” The NYT does it all the time on page C-20 about stories that ran on A-1.
Nethicus on December 26, 2006 at 4:01 PM
I’m going all in on Zombie.
HRW’s thesis is that Israel fired the dumbest projectile ever at ambulances. It’s crapola. This is like still believing in the Lucy Ramirez/TANG docs.
Pablo on December 26, 2006 at 5:06 PM
I’m kind of glad that the better educated among us are wasting their valuable time and resources on this circle jerk. But despite the inexplicable good will of AllahPundit and wormy guys like Rich Lowry, I find it easier to look at the dreck that comes from leftist news sources and write it all off as propaganda.
It saves time and sanity.
Jaibones on December 26, 2006 at 5:30 PM
I posted this on the other thread so repeating it for the update:
The limited damage and the high precision of the strikes on the ambulances suggest that the weapon was a smaller type of missile fired from an Israeli drone or helicopter.
Get a good trial lawyer on this travesty. SUGGEST lays the Jurassic Park scene – scoot over quick the part about dino genes being impossible to filch from mosquitos and then get on with the story.
Israel is in possession of an arsenal of highly precise missiles that can be fired from either helicopters or drones and are designed to limit the damage to their targets.
Generally true statement, then watch what follows …
The Israeli-designed and manufactured SPIKE anti-armor missile system and the still experimental DIME (dense inert metal explosive) missile are examples of smaller missiles designed to cause smaller explosions and limit collateral damage. Such missiles cause less powerful explosions than the previous generation of US-manufactured TOW and Hellfire missiles (often used by the IDF in assassination attempts against Palestinian militants in Gaza and the West Bank), which would have destroyed the ambulances completely.
Generally true statement about life in missle tech… apart from the illogic of building a missle system that doesn’t destroy anything, but they were just lead-in statements that blur reality with conjecture…
While the smaller missiles can be fired from either drones or helicopters, none of the witnesses reported hearing helicopters in the air before or during the attack, so it is most likely the missiles were fired from an Israeli drone.
Where’s the evidence for the “most likely” claim? They just said themselves, no witnesses reported hearing helicopters … which still leaves “no missles” as the most likely explanation (Occam’s Razor). “Drones” runs a distant, distant second.
Human Rights Watch cannot conclusively state which missiles were used in the attack on the ambulances, because our researchers did not find diagnostic shrapnel or missile parts at the scene, and because of the experimental nature of some missiles used by the IDF.
Human Rights Watch cannot conclusively state which missles, thanks to what could be the incompetence of “their researchers” (who will remain nameless and uncontactable)). Cannot means not able. That’s a true statement, absolutely, but then HRW claims it’s the fault of the Israelis that HRW can’t produce any evidence, for the Israelis are using the hitherto unheard of “experimental nature” impossibility. There is a simpler explanation. There is no evidence of missle to collect, because there were no missles.
Last collossal howlers, dressed up as proof, penetrating deeper into the outer space of science fiction:
The DIME is a weapon with a casing designed to disintegrate in an effort to minimize collateral damage from its fragmentation.
Minimize, you HRW despicable liars, does not mean vanish without a trace. Missles all have signature debris, big or small. Hiding behind the unconfirmable “experimental” is HRW’s defense.
Regardless of the weapon used, the IDF certainly has the capability to attack vehicles with limited impact missiles designed to cause low collateral damage.
But alas, dear HRW, no one on this planet has built, experimental or otherwise, any explosive device that doesn’t leave any trace of its passing. Crediting supernatural abilities to the Israelis is the excuse Human Rights Watch is using to cover the evil propaganda they help spread.
Well, spit! Zombie did a great job, laying it out for all to see.
naliaka on December 26, 2006 at 6:05 PM
naliaka on December 26, 2006 at 6:10 PM
So HRW expects me to believe that a dense metal impact caused the damage, but only to to roof of the vehicle? Ether that some very light “dense metal’ or that’s a very strong sheet metal roof! I wonder which one it is? And where is the heat damage a high speed metal impact would create when slamming into an inert mass like sheet metal, or was my physics teacher wrong and heat is NOT created when an immovable object is struck by an unstoppable force?
Humm, I guess that Israeli researchers not only discovered a new weapon that completely disintegrates on impact with thin sheet metal (WOW, that’s a useful weapon, NOT!) and causes immediate massive corrosion as is apparent in the photo (note: I live in Minnesota and know that it takes several months of exposure to account for that amount of corrosion even in our relatively wet environment), they also discovered a new area of physics where a large force can dissipate without conducting heat into the surrounding area! That technology will be useful when Al Gore announces the existence of the matter/antimatter reactor that Big Oil has been concealing since the 70′s.
RedinBlueCounty on December 27, 2006 at 2:57 PM
One has to ask….
Why is there an exhaust header sitting in the vehicle? Were pieces picked up after the attack and just shoved in? It looks like part of the radiator or grille is included. I doubt they normally carry spare parts….
Why would an impact on the roof blow off the exhaust?
If one looked at the bottom of the picture, it looks as if whatever impacted the roof was going at a slight angle from the bottom towards the top. The bottom appears more rounded than other parts of the hole.
About half way up on either side, from 9 o’clock to 12 and 3 o’clock to 12, it looks like cuts were made, and the upper halves were peeled back. Why are these not more rounded as would be expected?
Why is the hole in the floor much smaller? Is it possible whatever originally impacted made a similarly small hole in the roof as in the floor, but the roof hole is much larger because it was peeled back?
91Veteran on December 27, 2006 at 6:26 PM