Allahu Snackbar!

Good Lt on December 26, 2006 at 6:54 PM

Can you imagine voting for a NaZi in 1942?

An America who happens to be of German decent? Sure. But a practising NaZi, of any nationality? No way.

The left has flipped this nation upside down.

Tony737 on December 26, 2006 at 7:14 PM

Lords of Kobal hear our prayers.

infidel on December 26, 2006 at 7:15 PM

That Olbermann ad is pissin’ me off.

Scot on December 26, 2006 at 7:22 PM

Yes, but its fittingly above the “logic’s retarded cousin” ad.

lorien1973 on December 26, 2006 at 7:24 PM

So what? We should not expect our politicians to check their faith at the door as our faith defines who we are. The people who elected him knew he was a Muslim and a Muslim is what they got. Even though I may not agree with his beliefs, he is entitled to it as is any Christian Politician is entitled to his own faith.

If you are offended by the following sentence:

You can’t back down. You can’t chicken out. You can’t be afraid. You got to have faith in Allah, and you’ve got to stand up and be a real Muslim

Then, to be consistent, you should be offended by the following as well:

You can’t back down. You can’t chicken out. You can’t be afraid. You got to have faith in Jesus, and you’ve got to stand up and be a real Christian

My view is that though I agree with the latter statement, Ellison is entitled to his belief in the first.

jman on December 26, 2006 at 7:27 PM

“he is entitled to it as is any Christian Politician is entitled to his own faith.”

Your comparison is ludicrous. Islam is a cult. It’s members have no free will and their allegiance is to islam and islam only. These asses are killing people all over the world and using western laws to infiltrate western societies. Wake up, it’s got nothing to do with freedom of religion.

darwin on December 26, 2006 at 7:33 PM

The left has flipped this nation upside down.

Not, just the left. How many times do we get lectured by “conservatives” that we must be tolerant of those who want to kill us? Yeah,yeah, even your so called mythical moderate muslim wants us to bow down 5x a day with a sack over our heads. blech.

EF on December 26, 2006 at 7:40 PM

But Ellison, speaking at the annual convention of the Muslim American Society and the Islamic Circle of North America, said that Muslims can help teach America about justice and equal protection.

“Muslims, you’re up to bat right now,” he said. “How do you know that you were not brought right here to this place to learn how to make this world better?”

The convention, which ended Monday, drew more than 3,000 Muslims from across the country for the event aimed at revival and reform.

Ellison, who converted to Islam during college, made his remarks at the Hyatt Regency, the site of the five-day convention.

Uhh, would that be the “justice and equal protection” of a female needing four male witnesses in order to bring a rape case before a judge?

What ever happened to the whining “separation of church and state wahh wahhh…”

Which religion did he revert FROM in college?

NTWR on December 26, 2006 at 7:42 PM

Sorry—way too angry to type well tonight…happens a lot lately…

seejanemom on December 26, 2006 at 7:44 PM

Hey….shooter….shooter, buddy…You’re already WIDE ASS AWAKE, man. Welcome to Hell…I’ll be your hostess for the waning moments of America’s Greatness the evening….please follow me closely…and don’t step on the burqa.

seejanemom on December 26, 2006 at 7:49 PM

“you’ve got to stand up and be a real Muslim”

Muslim’s are not standup people i.e. cover faced cowards.

Wade on December 26, 2006 at 7:55 PM

Hey Ian,
You better get some “sennsetivvvvity training”. It was a bit “innsennnsetive” of you to say “Can I get an Allahu Akbar?”.
After all, soon we will be on bended knee facing the East 5 times per day.

mountainmanbob on December 26, 2006 at 7:56 PM

darwin on December 26, 2006 at 7:51 PM

Well said and I agree.

jman on December 26, 2006 at 7:57 PM

Hey Ian,
You better get some “sennsetivvvvity training”. It was a bit “innsennnsetive” of you to say “Can I get an Allahu Akbar?”.
After all, soon we will be on bended knee facing the East 5 times per day.
mountainmanbob on December 26, 2006 at 7:56 PM

Seems as if in MN, they already are. The crowd at the Ellison Christmas eve muslimfest did just that. They yelled out AlAkbar.

(i cant even spell it out, it disgusts me)

How long before he changes his name? Swear in plus 2 days is my guess. Ali Ellisallah

shooter on December 26, 2006 at 8:12 PM

I guess the seperation of Church and State does NOT apply to Mr. Ellison and Islam.

mountainmanbob on December 26, 2006 at 8:14 PM

mountainmanbob,

Agreed, Dealing with the left it’s socialist agenda is the bigger threat than Islam inside the USA right now. It’s the weakness of the left that allows for Islams growth.

Egfrow on December 26, 2006 at 8:16 PM

I’m so proud to live in a country that recognizes it’s enemies for who they are and has the strength of will to fight and defeat them!

Oh, wait a second, i live in America, not Ethiopia.

Scot on December 26, 2006 at 8:18 PM

Lords of Kobal hear our prayers.

infidel on December 26, 2006 at 7:15 PM

Ive heard them, we are currently enroute with the Cylons in hot pursuit, I guess if we cant fix it they surely will, nothing like a batallion of centurions to eradicate pesky moooslims..
LOL

Viper1 on December 26, 2006 at 8:19 PM

“Seen Jesus Camp yet?”

No, is the camp state sponsored and required?

NTWR on December 26, 2006 at 8:24 PM

Sheesh chill people. We all know what is coming. Soon Ellison will try and sneak a little Sharia into the public scence and call anyone who opposes it racist. During his TV appearance, made to answer his critics, he said very pointedly that he will uphold the Contstitution. What he did not say was that he would not advocate Sharia. Watch the typical obfuscation of muslim intelligenista try and spin Sharia as in harmony with and compatible with the Constitution. When that happens then we roast him, CAIR, the flying Imams, and the rest of the multiculturalist crowd.

We need to focus on asking the tough questions. I say throw down the gauntlet. Ellison and CAIR vs. Robert Spencer. O’Reily and Chris Matthews moderate and present the questions. I would pay to see that.

Theworldisnotenough on December 26, 2006 at 8:25 PM

Riiight, peacefully… like in France, the UK, and Denmark. Just keep wishing that peaceful Islam into existence… once you get your Ruby Slippers and see the wizard, you might be able to make it happen.

right, i’m delusional? So what, was he speaking to a rabid group of extremist muslims? No, its was an appeal to average american muslims to practice their religion openly despite the kind of ridiculous bigotry you see by some on this blog, these people are just as much an American as you or me…Ellison’s victory was actually decried in extremist chatrooms as “the first jewish muslim who goes to congress” and he was called a “fool”. Al queda wouldn’t support him by any means, or vice versa, he’s said himself that muslim extremists are criminals, and that Bin Laden no more represents Islam than Mcveigh represents Christianity. What more do you need?

crr6 on December 26, 2006 at 8:31 PM

Well, if America could survive the Catholics and the Jews, I think we can survive the Muslims. The only question is if American can survive you.

torrentprime on December 26, 2006 at 8:33 PM

Yep darn those evil Catholics and Jews, chanting death to America in the street. Getting Al Jazeera to broadcast specific threats against us. Trying to blow up the Chunnel and the tunnels from NYC to Jersey.

All of your examples are quite old… could it be because Christians and Jews believe in learning from their mistakes and moving forward.

Unlike Islam that is stuck in the 1st century, emulating the pedophile prophet, who was a perfect example of Islamic behavior.

America can’t survive your ignorance.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on December 26, 2006 at 8:54 PM

I love these threads…

JaHerer22 on December 26, 2006 at 7:24 PM

haha yeah, the standard muslim hatred thread. kinda fun to sit back and watch the fire works

crr6 on December 26, 2006 at 9:03 PM

Pre-9/11 I couldn’t of cared less about Muslims. Even after 9/11 I believed the line about Islam being a religion of peace. Then I went to Afghanistan, and I read alot about the history of Afghanistan. Then I went to Iraq, and I talked with the people of Iraq.

Then I started reading Robert Spencer, and I came to believe that Islam has no place in the civilized world as long as it continues in it’s current barbaric form.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on December 26, 2006 at 9:09 PM

Christians have killed plenty in the name of their faith. As a matter of fact, I think I remember a scripture quote, “Let he who is without sin…”

Christians killed a boatload of muslims who had advanced on Europe and taken over a major part of it. If it hadn’t been for the Crusades America probably wouldn’t exist. Muslims want the land they stole back. Supposedly once muslims occupy a land it belongs to islam forever. They want Israel, Spain and whatever other lands they once stole back and are in the process of doing it. Stupid Europeans and Americans are too busy worrying about “offending” them as the muslim population continues to grow. Soon, they’ll simply have the numbers to vote whomever they want into major political offices and then … game over.

Trying to equate a cult that has thrived for centuries by subjugating it’s members by threat of death to Christianity or any other major religion is obscene.

darwin on December 26, 2006 at 9:16 PM

Familiar with the Crusades, are you? The Salem witch trials? The Inquisition?
No one is saying Islam is blameless, but no religion is. Christians have killed plenty in the name of their faith.

torrentprime on December 26, 2006 at 8:28 PM

Fair enough, but how much killing is done today in the name of Islam as opposed to killing in the name of Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, or Buddhism?

In the name of what faith is genocide being committed against black Muslims, Christians, and animists? In the name of what faith are schoolgirls beheaded in Thailand? In the name of what faith are people publicly executed for the “crime” of being homosexual? Or for being raped? In the name of what faith are trains bombed in London, Madrid, and Mumbai?

Free Kurdistan on December 26, 2006 at 9:24 PM

you can’t argue with bigotry…its already been mentioned that Ellison was born in America and elected by Americans. He has denounced muslim extremists criminals. In extremist chatrooms his election was met with anger, he was called an “American Muslim Jew” and a fool. He had no responsibility to prove his loyalty to you or anyone else, but has anyway. But despite this, you’ll still cling to your irrational paranoia, thats why its useless to argue.

crr6 on December 26, 2006 at 9:27 PM

What about separation of church and state?

Oh yeah, I forgot…

benrand on December 26, 2006 at 9:40 PM

How do you know this? You got bored and visited some extremist chatrooms? Ahhh … nevermind, got it.

haha zzziiinnnngggg

anyway, sure sounds like someone who doesn’t have “comeback”. Have you “shot your wad”? thanks for illustrating my point, carry on with your divisive, prejudiced rhetoric….

crr6 on December 26, 2006 at 10:01 PM

“anyway, sure sounds like someone who doesn’t have “comeback”. Have you “shot your wad”? thanks for illustrating my point, carry on with your divisive, prejudiced rhetoric….”

You dumb ass, you can’t talk your way out of a wet paper bag. You don’t have a comeback, you slipped up. Nice work on blowing everything you’ve lied about so far.

So tell us crr6, how often do you frequent extremist islamic hate sites?

darwin on December 26, 2006 at 10:13 PM

Shooter: Familiar with the Crusades, are you? The Salem witch trials? The Inquisition?
No one is saying Islam is blameless, but no religion is. Christians have killed plenty in the name of their faith. As a matter of fact, I think I remember a scripture quote, “Let he who is without sin…”

torrentprime on December 26, 2006 at 8:28 PM

Freelancer gave you more attention than you deserve. You’re out of your league, and have no clue what you’re talking about. Quoting lines you heard from Olberdouche doesn’t quite make up for not knowing anything about religion, nitwit.

Do try better next time.

Better yet, wait until there’s a topic that you have an intelligent opinion on, rather than just spewing leftism.

Jaibones on December 26, 2006 at 11:08 PM

How do you know this? You got bored and visited some extremist chatrooms? Ahhh … nevermind, got it.

haha zzziiinnnngggg

anyway, sure sounds like someone who doesn’t have “comeback”. Have you “shot your wad”? thanks for illustrating my point, carry on with your divisive, prejudiced rhetoric….

crr6 on December 26, 2006 at 10:01 PM

BUT SERIOUSLY, how did you know what he’d been called in “MUSLIM EXTREMIST CHAT ROOMS”? I hope you were doing the liberal, ‘Why I met a man in my district just this week, a farmer named Ted…….”, which we all know is a lie. I really hope that you haven’t been spending your time with “Muslim Extremists’.

Ellison should never have been allowed to run for congress, as a Muslim his allegiance is to the Koran not the constitution, I know this has been said before in this thread. But it’s still true. As an American who converted to Islam, Ellison is particularly dangerous, see, when he talks you get a sincere sounding man who seems to be “harmless” in terms of “Jihad”, if you will. Now you’d get a whole different take on what’s being said if one of the “born a Muslim” guys, say it. See, Ellison is probably as Muslim as most of the “95%” of Americans who “identify themselves” as Christian, which means nominally. As a relatively recent convert he didn’t go through the Madrassas and therefore probably cannot recite the Koran from memory. There is a good chance that he’s largely ignorant of how evil Islam is. This makes him dangerous, without the fanatical gleam in his eye, like most of them have, he will subvert the good judgement of many and lure them into the clutches of this deceitful and Satan insprired “faith”. Don’t think it’s evil, well why then did Muhammed think he was possessed by the devil, that would be the root of the book, “The Satanic Verses” would it not? Hey, if Muhammed THOUGHT he was possessed, IM CONVINCED, ‘NUFF SAID!

Soothsayer on December 26, 2006 at 11:16 PM

If there was any question about where his loyalties lie, we can all be assured when he swears on the Koran that he’s not interested in upholding The Constitution.

SouthernGent on December 26, 2006 at 11:41 PM

What’s amazing is that people on this thread proudly defend stereotyping all Muslims by the actions of a few. How many Muslims live in America? How long have they lived here? And how many attacks on Americans have they made or committed? A handful of recent immigrants in a training camp, a handful involved in 9/11 support there? How many compared to the millions that live here peacefully, how many compared to the millions that came here to get away from such violence? We had Saudi attackers on 9/11, but how many American Muslims committed such crimes on these? How many? But one American Muslim gets elected to Congress and it’s the end of the world. Very sad. What religion was McVeigh?
Another tact: if you feel this way about Muslims, why in the name of God do think we should be converting Iraq to democracy? If all Muslims are untrustworthy and violent ticking time-bombs, then I assume you believe we should pull our troops out immediately and nuke the place, yes? If all Muslims are the enemy, then why are we building school and roads and hospitals over there? If Islam is a cult and all Muslims murderers, then which part of the Iraqi invasion and 3k American lives lost makes sense to you? Are the Muslims we train as police and set up as elected officials somehow better than born-and-raised American Muslims? Aren’t we supposed to support the troops and the president by supporting his goal of bringing democracy to the people of Iraq, most of whom are Muslim?

torrentprime on December 26, 2006 at 11:48 PM

rockhauler:
Unfortunately, your strawman argument is off the mark. No one claimed that violence was ok. It’s a bit scary that you would draw that conclusion.
The issue and the point is that certain members of religions have used their religion to justify extremism and violence for years. Others have used their religion to justify power-seeking and other temporal gains. But those who abused their religion did not speak for the true faith, right? The Catholics sent to Mexico and the Americas with orders to convert by the sword were not representative of true Catholicism, abortion-clinic bombers do not represent mainstream Christianity, Reverend Phelps does represent mainstream Baptists, etc.
So, as the above extremists did not represent the core faith, so do jihadists not represent mainstream Muslims. And the important thing to remember is that it is exactly through integration into our society that we prevent such atrocities from happening here. Electing Muslims and working alongside Muslims and generally integrating Muslims into the fabric of American society is) what America is all about b) exactly what Europe has failed to do, thus leading to their current problems and c) the way to avoid such home-grown extremism.
The fact that I find such Free Republic-type thinking on Hot Air is sad. It’s good to see that a few posters above recognized the hate for what it is.

torrentprime on December 26, 2006 at 11:59 PM

“What’s amazing is that people on this thread proudly defend stereotyping all Muslims by the actions of a few.”

And the inactions of the many. The many who have the numbers and the power to reign in the campaign of death islam is waging against the world … but don’t.

It was mentioned earlier by another commenter that isalm is the only “religion” that doesn’t hunt down and punish it’s murderers, butchers, and extremists who commit crimes against humanity. On the contrary, it glorifies them.

All you supposed self-righteous apologists for islam fail to note that if islam really was the “religion of peace” we wouldn’t be having this discussion. It’s not and I’m glad we are.

darwin on December 27, 2006 at 12:12 AM

It’s not Americas job or Europes job to integrate muslims. It’s the muslims job to fit in and become “American” or “European”. As far as I can see they’re not doing a very good job of it. Probably because they don’t want to. They don’t want to be “European” or “American”. They want to be muslims in America or Europe. They want America and Europe to be muslim.

well, i’m back from visiting the “extreme hate websites”…this guy seriously is a head case. Saying that muslims don’t want to “assimilate” doesn’t make it true,you espouse the virtues of working hard and being personally responsible…and muslims have done just that, they’re an affluent minority, 67% have a bachelors degree and 2/3rds make over 50 grand a year. Please stop embarassing yourself and this site, most of the conservatives here seem much more enlightened than you.

crr6 on December 27, 2006 at 12:43 AM

This is one of the more interesting quotes from his speech (the first paragraph is his actual quote..the second paragraph refers to what took place at a convention):

“Muslims, you’re up to bat right now…” he said. “How do you know that you were not brought right here to this place to learn how to make this world better? How do you know that Allah, sallalahu aleyhi wasallam,” (meaning peace be upon him) “did not bring you here so that you could understand how to teach people what tolerance was, what justice was?… How do you know that you’re not here to teach this country?”

The convention, which ends today, drew more than 3,000 Muslims from across the country for an event aimed at revival and reform. It featured workshops and panels on a range of topics from civil rights to politics to how to spread Islam in the U.S. …

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=23784&only&rss

Puleaze mista ellisun, I didn’t realize that USA needed to be “fixed”..that we needed to understand what “justice” was /boggle. I’ve seen what muslims call “justice” and I wish they’d stay in their own country. That isn’t bigotry for those that love to call people bigots here, this is about survival.

One of the best sentences I ever saw on a blog - muslim is not a race, it is a religion. We have every right to protect ourselves against a cult such as this. This isn’t about someone’s skin or their right to free speech.

I don’t like any cults but if they keep to themselves, it doesn’t impact me a whole lot. Muslims, however are a different story. People want to believe ths is just a select few that do this, that is brainwashing propaganda. Should we wait till they try to show us what thier justice is? Or will it be too late to change it. Swearing on a book that calls for our destruction seems a little odd. This isn’t partisan politics talking, this is just logic talking.

Highrise on December 27, 2006 at 1:25 AM

….waiting for the Left to scream about the fictional separation of church and state…

…..

Black Adam on December 27, 2006 at 3:05 AM

I love it when the libs flaunt their ignorance. There are so many points on this thread that I’ve lost track of them. You libs love to say “Well, Christians have killed for God too!” But they were doing the OPPOSITE of what Jesus taught. Muslims who kill infidels are doing EXACTLY what muhammed told them to do.

Somebody said muslims in America are not attacking anybody. That’s because they haven’t reached a high enough percentage of the population yet. Look at Fwance to see what’s coming here once they have enough numbers. Read “Because They Hate” by Bridgett Gabrielle to see how they operate. They live side by side with their infidel neighbors until they have sufficient numbers, then the bombing begin. Yes, they do intigrate better here then they do in Europe, but they do have their little enclaves here. So many points to address yet so little time.

Tony737 on December 27, 2006 at 5:49 AM

اﷲ (Allah) is merely the Arabic word for God (the supreme being).

Allahu Ackbar OTOH is not merely a friendly transliteration of some self-evident phrase. It is a a chant, specifically one meant to invoke the supremacy of the Islamic conception of God. And it’s that to which some of us are reacting negatively.

Heck, English-speaking Christians worship Allah. I worship Allah. George W. Bush worships Allah. Our money says we trust in Allah.

Kind of. The word Allah roughly translates to “the One”. The name originally applied to an existing, pagan god, one of dozens being worshipped in Mecca at the time - incidentally its symbol was a crescent moon - and the prophet Mohammed appropriated it and grafted it onto his religion.

We derive the word God by capitalizing the non-specific word “god”; they derive it by taking the name of a specific god, a singular (and unitarian) conception of God, and applying it universally to all monotheistic faiths, even trinitarian ones, without hesitation.

Can’t help but notice being trapped in a language so crude and callous it can’t be bothered to progress beyond its own chauvinistic conception of its own perfect being, but it’s of a piece with referring to Jews and Christians as “People of the Book” instead of by the names by which they choose to be called.

RD on December 27, 2006 at 8:27 AM

Allah may be “God” in Arabic, but he was speaking English.

Most Muslims know some Arabic, as it is the language the Holy Quran was was written in. Ergo why many Christian theologians learn Greek and Latin. Ellison is a Muslim. His faith has Arabic roots. Why is it news that he makes an Arabic reference when talking about God to Muslims?

Before you say “so what, he’s calling God by name”, God’s name is Jehovah or Yahweh or Ioeheve.

God can be “Frank” for all any of us (monotheists, that is) should care. God is a definable concept. The supreme being. The ultimate cause. The name used to convey the concept doesn’t change who/what God is.

Mark Jaquith on December 27, 2006 at 8:40 AM

Torrentprime, crr6 and those making blanket accusations of bigotry and hate: Do you realize that ex-Muslims and Muslim apostates support many of the conclusions you subject to your shallow ridicule?

They know a lot more about Islam than you (and I) do. AND they are in a position to talk about it honestly — unlike your Muslim spokespeople of choice (lest they be declared apostates also, according to Islamic law).

“Wanting” to assimilate has got nothing to do with it either. The claim that these ex-Muslims are making is that Muslims living in the U.S., and the Western world generally, *cannot* assimilate in the Western sense - rendering unto Ceasar that which is Caesar’s - because that, too, is apostasy in Islam.

You don’t have to take our word for it. But you do have to do your homework before you sling accusations of hatred and bigotry around like confetti. Do you honestly think that most of us here EITHER (1) want Islam to be this way, OR (2) have any similar “impressions” of Hinduism, Buddhism or Judaism?

Robert Spencer has issued a challenge to the four corners - including to Muslims with which he has debated in the past - to prove him wrong on some of these very points. If they succeed in demonstrating that there exists a moderate, mainstream Islam that rejects the Sharia, dhimmitude, violent jihad to spread Islamic law, and promotes the full equality of rights of non-Muslims, the right of men to make and vote on man-made laws in order to govern a just society, and vigorously punishes those who take the law into their own hands (e.g. terrorism, killings)- in other words, if we have it all wrong just like you suggest - he will take down his website, JihadWatch. So what are you waiting for? Go claim the prize. His website provides the intellectual underpinning for a lot of the “attitude” you see on this site. Here’s your chance - pop over there, why don’t you, and put an end to all this “bigotry” and “hatred” once and for all. Allahu Quackbar!

RD on December 27, 2006 at 8:43 AM

Seperation of church and state, nothing about seperation of mosque and state.

right2bright on December 27, 2006 at 9:00 AM

This isn’t really news unless you can define what he means by “real muslim”. If he means stand up to the Militant Muslim movement more power to him. If he means “stand up to the man who’s getting you down, and fight for your right to suicide bomb” then uhhhh…

anyway, what’s the point?

One Angry Christian on December 27, 2006 at 9:28 AM

So, as the above extremists did not represent the core faith, so do jihadists not represent mainstream Muslims.

torrentprime on December 26, 2006 at 11:59 PM

Says who, torrentofslime? You? Rather than back up your sophistry with press releases from CAIR, maybe you should let the actions of the several Arab Muslim nations speak for them? Why not let Sharia speak for itself?

Liberalism: the inability to take one’s own side in a fight.

Jaibones on December 27, 2006 at 9:41 AM

So, as the above extremists did not represent the core faith, so do jihadists not represent mainstream Muslims.

torrentprime on December 26, 2006 at 11:59 PM

when the so called moderate muslims quit supressing those who stand up to the miltant movement

I’ll agree.

I know there is some dissent in the ranks, but it’s quickly squashed and seldom expressed, so the mainstream seems to be the militant movement if not in action certainly in support.

One Angry Christian on December 27, 2006 at 11:49 AM