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Video: “The Day After” vs. “Threads”

posted at 3:41 pm on December 24, 2006 by Allahpundit
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Something light for Christmas. In honor of Mahdi’s latest pronunciamento.

Anyone here seen “Threads”? I stumbled across a webpage about it last night, was engrossed by the details, and ended up watching a good 45 minutes of it on Google Vid. It’s the British answer to “The Day After” and clearly superior in my opinion, mainly because (a) Steve Guttenberg’s not in it, and (b) it telescopes out to look at the long-term aftermath, not just the immediate devastation. The bomb won’t bring us back to the stone age, it turns out. Just the middle ages.

Here are the attack sequences from the two films, beginning with “The Day After.” It’s more spectacular than “Threads” (the amazing mushroom cloud effects were created by firing ink and paint at high speed into a vat of vegetable oil), but what “Threads” lacks in pop it makes up for in poetry. The melting milk bottles, in particular, are justly famous. But then, I’m a sucker for impressionism.


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I saw “Threads” a while back on VHS. It’s absolutely terrifying, and has one of the most shattering endings of any movie I have ever seen. Plus, it’s free of the overt ’80’s nuclear-freeze bias that pollutes “The Day After”. “Threads” is relatively apolitical and all the more effective for it.

WasatchMan on December 24, 2006 at 3:52 PM

Cheery

Merry Christmas.

quax1 on December 24, 2006 at 3:59 PM

Threads is one of the most horrifying movies I’ve ever seen. I could only take it in small doses. Watch a little bit, stop, and watch some more a while later.

Way better than The Day After, in my opinion.

Lehuster on December 24, 2006 at 4:10 PM

“The Day After” scared the heck out of me when I was a kid. When I watched that clip, though, all I could think was that 80s cars were ugly and that as sturdy as they look, I think it’s a stretch to assume they could protect one from a nuclear blast.

Slublog on December 24, 2006 at 4:17 PM

I always thought TESTAMENT was a good film about what would happen to society after a nuclear war, certainly less preachy than THE DAY AFTER.

Mibrilane on December 24, 2006 at 4:23 PM

I think The Day After was superior in its effects, but for realism I have to go with Threads. Besides everybody knows Jason Robards is ground zero. I like your worst case scenerio benchmark AP. It gives a clear interpretation of the horrible reality we are dealing with. Chopping heads isn’t good enough for our jihadi friends, its total annihilation their after. To be honest it does not suprise or frighten me. I live in florida and we kind of are on constant hurricane watch during season, besides I’m all prayed up. As one senior Iranian spoksman put it after GW would not rule out military intervention into Iran “Let the Wheels Roll!”

sonnyspats1 on December 24, 2006 at 4:26 PM

I think the preachiest of the nuke films was “By Dawn’s Early Light.” I don’t remember Testament all that well. I’ll have to look for it to rent.

Slublog on December 24, 2006 at 4:27 PM

being bored and stuck at work on Christmas eve I’ve found a much more politically pertinent movie to watch

starship troopers.

:)

One Angry Christian on December 24, 2006 at 4:29 PM

As for the relevance of these films today – the difference would be that we won’t get the air-raid sirens BEFORE the first attack happens. If someone were to execute the “suitcase bomb” scenario, it would be a scene of normality, and then… not. No warning. Perhaps those in the immediate vicinity might hear some kind of shouting, or a scuffle, or merely see an individual stop moving in a crowd and stretch out his/her arms, face turned to the heavens, eyes closed.

To me, that is more terrifying than anything in the above clips. I am quite certain that, as a country, we are unprepared for such an event.

Mibrilane on December 24, 2006 at 4:31 PM

Okay, someone had to post this:

Weird Al – “Christmas at Ground Zero”

Slublog on December 24, 2006 at 4:41 PM

Everybody’s Worried, About that Atom Bomb!

You folks hang out on some dark, dark corners of the internet…

Slublog on December 24, 2006 at 4:47 PM

Ahh, when PC was just two letters in the alphabet:

I wants to drop a bomb and set the Japanese city on fire
Now because they are so rotten, I just love to see them die
I’ve got the victory blues, because I know I have got to go
Now to keep the dirty Japanese from slippin’ into my baby’s back door

– Win The War Blues, by Sonny Boy Williamson (1944)

EF on December 24, 2006 at 4:58 PM

Well, one thing is clear from these videos: Nuclear explosions look cool.

Kevin M on December 24, 2006 at 5:01 PM

The world should definitely allow Iran and other clearly hate filled, violent nations and groups, such as al Qaeda, to have Nuclear weapons, chemical, and biological weapons, or any other form of destructive materials and weapons they wish.

After all, we must tolerate others and their culture, behavior, and point of view.

William

William2006 on December 24, 2006 at 5:12 PM

Well, one thing is clear from these videos: Nuclear explosions look cool.

About 8 years ago, one of the film schools/museums were showing all these nuclear test films. A nuclear gala, so to speak. I tried to get in but it was by invite only. Strangely, all these films were stored in a soopersecret bunker underneath a ranchhouse on Outpost Dr., near Mulholland Dr. for all these years. Very bizarre.

EF on December 24, 2006 at 5:20 PM

I know this is off topic, but I can’t resist. John Kerry has actually written an article on how flip-flopping is actually a “good thing.” John Kerry is America’s Christmas present.

The most amazing thing about this is how many liberals will actually buy it. They’ve already posted it on DU, but I haven’t had the chance to read through the comments yet.

Gregor on December 24, 2006 at 5:44 PM

It being Christmas and all that good stuff, I won’t post what I really believe should be said about the day after. It’s much too depressing and my eggnog is almost on empty….

ritethinker on December 24, 2006 at 6:17 PM

I saw “Threads” years ago on PBS and was gripped by the unapologetic, straightforward British Documentary style of the film. Only to be completely blown away during its last moment.

“The Day After” came across as very lame weak tea in comparison. Kind of an expanded, post nuclear, “The Ballad Of Cabel Hogue”.

Jack.

Jack Deth on December 24, 2006 at 6:30 PM

You all might like Jericho on CBS. You can watch all the episodes so far on the CBS website. I’m intrigued by because I played Aftermath for so many years and have thought about dozens of scenarios for the end of the world.

TBinSTL on December 24, 2006 at 6:36 PM

Getting back on track, so what is it that horrifies us most about these nuclear holocaust images? Why are the films so compelling or riveting? Is it:
1) the initial wave of heat that vaporizes people?
2) the shock wave the blows everything to smithereens?
3) the mushroom cloud rising high into the atmosphere?
4) the electro-magnetic pulse that ruins our ipods?
5) the radiation/fallout that brings slow agonizing death to the survivors of the initial blast?
6) nuclear winter and it’s associated massive starvation?
7) all of the above?

It would be interesting to know if anyone out there has met or talked with a Hiroshima/Nagasaki survivor. (Although, somehow, I have my doubts as to whether their observations would actually be relevant, since the fusion bombs that exist now make Little Boy and Fat Man looks like toys.) We all die. Sooner or later. So why is this stuff so scary?

Young people only have the movies to scare the wits out ‘em these days. There’s a few of us around HA that remember the Cuban missile crisis. That was at least as scary if not scarier than the two video clips. I recommend mandatory viewing in all Muslim countries. Now if somebody here only had a good idea on how we could make that happen.

CyberCipher on December 24, 2006 at 6:43 PM

The Day After was a lame movie, but the attack scene was pretty good. It’s interesting to think what would go through the minds of the people in Lawrence, KS or any similar town if they were to see all the missiles in the vicinity take off.

The post-attack scenes from this movie aren’t quite as realistic as, say, Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome, so there’s no need to watch further.

It warms the heart to think the Dhimmi’s have promised to cut missile defense.

Coyote D. on December 24, 2006 at 6:46 PM

Hi, TBinSTL:

I just checked IMDb and “Threads” is available on DVD through an icon link to Amazon.com on the page’s upper right corner

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0090163/

Jack.

Jack Deth on December 24, 2006 at 6:47 PM

All those people running around……you can run but you’ll just die tired.

infidel4life on December 24, 2006 at 6:56 PM

It warms the heart to think the Dhimmi’s have promised to cut missile defense.

Coyote D. on December 24, 2006 at 6:46 PM

Does it matter? When the Jihadists finally nuke one of our cities, the warhead won’t be mounted on top of an ICBM. It’ll be floated into the harbor of one of our cities quietly, in the belly of a tugboat, or by some other low-tech means of delivery.

CyberCipher on December 24, 2006 at 6:57 PM

For those who really like post-apocalypse fiction (or fact) “Threads” is the answer. It still give me nightmares. “The Day After” was utter garbage in comparison.

I also HIGHLY recommend the BBC version of “Day of the Triffids”, which is very close to the feel of Danny Boyle’s “28 Days Later”

Do yourselves a favor and:

1. Buy a Region Free DVD Player here:
http://www.regionfreedvd.net/

2. Pick up “Threads” on DVD here:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Threads-Karen-Meagher/dp/B0009S9LNK/sr=8-1/qid=1167009157/ref=pd_ka_1/202-8979200-0631858?ie=UTF8&s=dvd

3. Pick up “Day of the Triffids” here:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Day-Triffids-John-Duttine/dp/B0006GVKE8/sr=1-1/qid=1167009210/ref=sr_1_1/202-8979200-0631858?ie=UTF8&s=dvd

Watch and enjoy Britain come to an end! Well, It won’t be long now anyway, so watch the pre-show.

Funny thing about Threads is what causes the Nuclear War.

Take a guess?

The USA fighting the Commies over…

Iran.

The irony. Kind of Like Bronzy or Goldy except it’s made of Iron.

Merry Christmas!

NeoConSnakePlissken on December 24, 2006 at 8:17 PM

It would be interesting to know if anyone out there has met or talked with a Hiroshima/Nagasaki survivor.

No, but I had a friend who’s dad was in the military and was a professional cinematographer. He filmed alot of the test explosions after the war. She showed me these huge leather commemorative photo albums they would prepare for the command and each other. Besides the blast, one of them had a lot of photos of ships that had been within bombing range with animals on them. Some of the animals were still alive but serverly burned. It was gross.

Needless to say, I believe all of them associated with the project died of cancer.

EF on December 24, 2006 at 8:53 PM

Does it matter? When the Jihadists finally nuke one of our cities, the warhead won’t be mounted on top of an ICBM. It’ll be floated into the harbor of one of our cities quietly, in the belly of a tugboat, or by some other low-tech means of delivery.

CyberCipher on December 24, 2006 at 6:57 PM

The problem is that we don’t know how it might occure. It could be a single missile form a regime with nothing to lose, such as North Korea. It could be a single missile hidden on a container ship intended to permanently blackout North America with an EMP from a high altitude blast. The problem is that the Dhimmi’s won’t entertain any ideas that don’t fit their established narrative.

Coyote D. on December 24, 2006 at 9:09 PM

Part 15 on YouTube has the Christmas scene… sure to be part of every family’s Christmas tradition from this day forth.

Merry Christmas AirHeads!

12thman on December 24, 2006 at 9:27 PM

From the early 70’s until 1991, I had mushroom-cloud nightmares at least monthly. When the cold war ended, so did those nightmares. I’ll forever be indebted to Ronald Reagan for that.

But now the nightmares are back.

stonemeister on December 24, 2006 at 9:27 PM

As a KC resident, seeing the vaporization of what is recognizably my home is sobering stuff. Personally, I’m not nearly so worried for myself as I am for the folks living in NYC and DC, because I don’t think there will be enough targets for us to be on the list.

If Iran could get suitcase nukes to Times Square and 800 Pensylvania Avenue for simultaneous detonations, 9/11 would look like a Sunday School picnic. I think the magic number is two, just like it was in WWII. After all, if the US could use two nukes, someone else using two on us is ‘fair’, right?

Anyone who doesn’t think that ArmageddonJihad would do that in a heartbeat, so that he could strike at the Great Satan, hasn’t been paying attention. The only remaining question in my mind is whether we get hit before, after, or at the same time as West Jerusalem and Tel Aviv.

If Ronald Reagan were president, the word would somehow happen to leak out that the crazy old bastard had instructed the SecDef to respond to any suitcase nuke attack against Iran, Russia, and China. We get NYC and DC hit, they get Tehran, Mashad, Moscow, St. Petersburg, Bejing, and Shanghai hit. We don’t wait to find out who did it. All inquiries as to the validity of the policy would be met with “We will not comment on our strategic contingency planning”. So now those two countries have a really powerful incentive to not let Iran have nukes.

Maybe Dubya has enough of a cowboy reputation that it would still work. In two years, if he were replaced by Hillary, leaking stories about how her enemies have had such awful luck might help persuade the nation’s enemies that she’s completely capable of issuing such orders. But who believes that Obama has the, uh, malkins to do anything like that?

“Oderint, dum metuant.” -Lucius Accius, favorite saying of Caligula (“Let them hate, so long as they fear”)

The Monster on December 24, 2006 at 9:31 PM

If Ronald Reagan were president……

The Monster on December 24, 2006 at 9:31 PM

We desperately need another Ronald Reagan about now.

infidel4life on December 24, 2006 at 9:51 PM

Monster – Great KC minds think alike.

stonemeister on December 24, 2006 at 9:52 PM

I just realized that there is no ‘800 Pennsylvania Ave (NW)’ at the midpoint between the Capitol and White House, because 8th Street NW doesn’t go through that block. There’s an 801, which is right across the street from the National Archives (which would be 700 due to the size of the double block).

Somehow that seemed relevant, given recent non-news.

The Monster on December 24, 2006 at 10:06 PM

Are you jewish mr pundit? It must be safe to assume that you’re not muslim. I ask, because for some reason, I’m feeling you must be alone during this the festive season. For what it’s worth coming from me, relax, lighten up and merry christmas, or happy holiday, so as not to offend. Even if Iran has the bomb, which it doesn’t, or is near having it, which it isn’t, they’d still have to have the systems required to deliver them, which they don’t. They could do what Israel did and go to South Africa to develop a delivery system, but they’d be brokering a whole new deal with a whole new government, and these things take time.

Hope that brightened up your day.

THeDRiFTeR on December 25, 2006 at 4:17 AM

A fitting reminder of what Democrats don’t want to protect us against, when it arrives via the Religion of Peace. Merry Christmas.

Halley on December 25, 2006 at 6:27 AM

Just watched Threads, and I agree it is well-done as a film. I would say the pacifist angle is concealed rather than absent.

Having thought about it, I suspect it is not very realistic, either, for a few reasons.

The first is the most obvious – why would either side initiate an all-out strategic nuclear exchange that neither could possibly win? In the film’s scenario, the war comes after a long build-up in tension over a conflict in the Third World, arguably the least likely scenario.

Concerning the effects, I am also a bit dubious. The film mentioned 3000 Megatons as being the bomb total (with 210 Mtons falling on the UK). Presumably about half the total tonnage landed on each side, and a considerable fraction would have been aimed remote ICBM sites and military bases. The typical yield of a late Cold War US nuclear warhead was about 300 kton. So 3000 Megatons total would mean 10,000 such warheads, which is fairly close to the total number of nuclear weapons of all types (including tactical) available to both sides. If 5,000 fell on the West, and 5,000 fell on Russia and Eastern Europe, it still would have left most of the world’s area and population unaffected, at least directly. South America, Africa, Australia, large sections of Asia, and parts of North America and Europe would have had intact infrastructure.

According to the film, 210/3000 = 7% of the total, and presumably about 14% of the Soviet-launched tonnage fell on the UK. But the UK’s land area is only 2.5% of the US, and its nuclear and conventional forces were similarly much less numerous. Why the UK would have been hit so hard is difficult to explain. If West Germany and France were on the receiving end of a similar proportion, it would mean only 1/3 the Soviet weapons were aimed at the US, where the important targets are more numerous and far more dispersed. In the narrative of the film, the US was certainly the principal antagonist of the Soviets (in the Middle East, etc).

The level of devastation and mortality depicted in the film is phenomenal, but about 90% of Japan’s urban areas were destroyed (most by conventional firebombing) in WWII, about 20% of the pre-WWII population of Poland was killed in the war, and perhaps an even greater fraction of the Soviet Union’s, if Stalin’s pre- and post-war atrocities are included. Germany losses were about 10% of its total population, but virtually the entire country was reduced to rubble. But these areas recovered. Radioactivity and other effects obviously make a nuclear war worse, but the film’s portrayal of only a medieval level of recovery after 13 years seems exaggerated.

Obviously a 3000 Mton nuclear exchange would have been hell, but I think the film-makers may have subtly painted a worse-than-worst-case scenario to make their point.

LagunaDave on December 25, 2006 at 7:11 AM

I still think the LA bomb in Terminator 2 and the city blasts in Independence Day were done better.

Wanna be really disturbed? Watch the monkey asphyxiation scene in The Andromeda Strain.

Coronagold on December 25, 2006 at 8:21 AM

Are you jewish mr pundit? It must be safe to assume that you’re not muslim. I ask, because for some reason, I’m feeling you must be alone during this the festive season.

Oh, please! As we speak he’s beating the crap out of his brothers to get to the presents first and desperately searching for a Red Ryder under the family Christmas tree.

EF on December 25, 2006 at 8:47 AM

We’d better warm up the globe as quickly as possible so we can prepare for nuclear winter. I’m buying everyone I know aerosol somethings for Christmas.

Mojave Mark on December 25, 2006 at 10:59 AM

according to liberals, all the U.S. has to do is to appease their terrorist friends by pulling all U.S. troops out (i.e. cut & run) of Iraq & Afghannistan completely, impeach Bush, vote in a democrat president, let Iran & North Korea have nukes, promise not to assinate President Hugo Chavez, let the U.N. run our policies & that will prevent one of our cities from beng nuked.

Starblazer on December 25, 2006 at 12:01 PM

according to liberals, all the U.S. has to do is to appease their terrorist friends by pulling all U.S. troops out (i.e. cut & run) of Iraq & Afghannistan completely, impeach Bush, vote in a democrat president, let Iran & North Korea have nukes, promise not to assinate President Hugo Chavez, let the U.N. run our policies & that will prevent one of our cities from beng nuked.

Sounds like a plan. But first, round up all the Jews and offer them up to the muslims as a “good will” offering. Then you have to add a few things: ban non-muslim religions, eliminate capitalism and personal property, eliminate all those laws that nobody follows anyway (drugs, sex crimes, etc.), and burn down Wall Street. Now if that ain’t a liberal utopia, I don’t know what is!

stonemeister on December 25, 2006 at 12:38 PM

If you’re not depressed enough already, check out Nevil Shute’s “On the Beach“. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Beach) Although not an action book/movie, and the fallout scenario as it drifts into the southern hemisphere seems implausible, I think it’s interesting for the different nulcear escalation scenarios in the different versions over the years.

It scared the pants off of me in the 60’s, and then once again more recently.

If Ronald Reagan were president, the word would somehow happen to leak out that the crazy old bastard had instructed the SecDef to respond to any suitcase nuke attack against Iran, Russia, and China. We get NYC and DC hit, they get Tehran, Mashad, Moscow, St. Petersburg, Bejing, and Shanghai hit.

The Monster

Since your “ArmageddonJihad” would be a “holy war”, shouldn’t Mecca be on your list as a better deterrent to suicidal terrorists than Tehran? That way maybe ALL Muslims would have an interest in containing nuclear-powered Islamofascists in Iran, and dare I say a post-Musharraf Pakistan as well.

Im_no_dhimmi on December 25, 2006 at 3:24 PM

liberals would be more than happy to appease their terrorist friends, so they can prevent an a nuclear attack on this country by also giving-up on the gay marriage thing.

Starblazer on December 25, 2006 at 10:12 PM

Honestly, this is the LAST thing that I needed to see and read about right now. Merry frickin Christmas and thanks for scaring the bejesus outta me before bed on Christmas Day. :(

tickleddragon on December 25, 2006 at 10:37 PM

…I played Aftermath for so many years …

Twilight 2000 man myself.

blogRot on December 26, 2006 at 5:00 PM

After reading all the way down this far I notice a lot of kidding about the subject of the movies. I for one don’t doubt for 1 minute that a jihadi would

stretch out his/her arms, face turned to the heavens, eyes closed

and yell “Allah Akbar!” then ignite himself and a large city in a millisecond into a fireball.

I am not a survivalist but I want to survive, its basic human nature. For several years now my kids have thought it odd that Dad was stocking up on some items and storing them in the underground Tornado shelter. They understand why after NK fired off its nuke and with Iran making all sorts of noise. Fortunately for me I don’t live around any large targets, DC, NYC, LA, so I’m not too concerned about the blast, I’m more worried about the aftermath. I don’t think a lot of folks can survive without the basic services provided by the local governments, let alone their Ipods, finding food on their own and I don’t mean at the local Wal-Mart or protecting themselves.

I know I’m being really negative but it

bubbadog89 on December 26, 2006 at 6:30 PM

Oops.

I know I’m being really negative but it will happen on US soil and the aftermath will make New Orleans look like a success.

bubbadog89 on December 26, 2006 at 6:34 PM

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