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		<title>By: JunkYardBlog</title>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Lawyers to the Rescue...&lt;/strong&gt;

Back in December I noted an interesting side effect of an ICE raid on the Swift &amp; Company meat packing plant: legal laborers at the plant sued the company for hiring illegal workers as part of a scheme to depress......</description>
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<p>Back in December I noted an interesting side effect of an ICE raid on the Swift &amp; Company meat packing plant: legal laborers at the plant sued the company for hiring illegal workers as part of a scheme to depress&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Jaquith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Jaquith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Dec 2006 08:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;“These plaintiffs are … victims in a longstanding scheme by Swift to depress and artificially lower the wages of its workers by knowingly hiring illegal workers,” said their attorney, Angel Reyes. “By lessening its labor costs and increasing its profits, Swift has severely damaged the potential earnings and livelihood of these hardworking men and women.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

What a Socialist tool.  &quot;Oh no, the evil company hired the cheapest laborers available!  They&#039;re only in it for the profits!&quot;  Oh, the horrors of capitalism and a free labor market.  Woe upon the &quot;hardworking men and women&quot; (read: employees that cost more per unit of production... so &lt;em&gt;less&lt;/em&gt; hardworking).

Is this the sort of things that Conservatives cheer now?  Is anti-capitalism rhetoric okay as long as it cheers for nativism?  What&#039;s next, axing the First Amendment in order to fight terrorism?  Oh &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nysun.com/article/44302&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;wait&lt;/a&gt;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>“These plaintiffs are … victims in a longstanding scheme by Swift to depress and artificially lower the wages of its workers by knowingly hiring illegal workers,” said their attorney, Angel Reyes. “By lessening its labor costs and increasing its profits, Swift has severely damaged the potential earnings and livelihood of these hardworking men and women.”</p></blockquote>
<p>What a Socialist tool.  &#8220;Oh no, the evil company hired the cheapest laborers available!  They&#8217;re only in it for the profits!&#8221;  Oh, the horrors of capitalism and a free labor market.  Woe upon the &#8220;hardworking men and women&#8221; (read: employees that cost more per unit of production&#8230; so <em>less</em> hardworking).</p>
<p>Is this the sort of things that Conservatives cheer now?  Is anti-capitalism rhetoric okay as long as it cheers for nativism?  What&#8217;s next, axing the First Amendment in order to fight terrorism?  Oh <a href="http://www.nysun.com/article/44302" rel="nofollow">wait</a>&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: DannoJyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>DannoJyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Dec 2006 19:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t forget about the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;lr=&amp;safe=off&amp;rls=GGLJ%2CGGLJ%3A2006-45%2CGGLJ%3Aen&amp;q=tyson+foods+packaging+plants&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tyson Foods Packaging Plants&lt;/a&gt;. I am certain that thousands of jobs could be opened up to American citizens there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget about the <a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;lr=&amp;safe=off&amp;rls=GGLJ%2CGGLJ%3A2006-45%2CGGLJ%3Aen&amp;q=tyson+foods+packaging+plants" rel="nofollow">Tyson Foods Packaging Plants</a>. I am certain that thousands of jobs could be opened up to American citizens there.</p>
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		<title>By: Traction Control &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Headline Summaries: Border Security</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2006/12/24/swift-meat-veterans-for-justice/comment-page-1/#comment-157099</link>
		<dc:creator>Traction Control &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Headline Summaries: Border Security</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Dec 2006 16:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Swift Meat Veterans For Justice It’s pretty rare to see Michelle, on the one hand, and the Wall Street Journal editors, on the other, agree on matters of immigration policy. Yet both seem convinced that the recent raids on the Swift &amp; Company meat-packing plants were nothing but a cheap political stunt. You know, just pandering to the base. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Swift Meat Veterans For Justice It’s pretty rare to see Michelle, on the one hand, and the Wall Street Journal editors, on the other, agree on matters of immigration policy. Yet both seem convinced that the recent raids on the Swift &#38; Company meat-packing plants were nothing but a cheap political stunt. You know, just pandering to the base. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Dec 2006 11:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I say &quot; go after the rest of the meat industry, as Swift is only one company&quot;.  Hormel perhaps?
 And the homebuilding industry.  Anyone having problems with lack of qulity in their new homes due to cheap,unskilled labor??
 Lots of opportunities out there to save the jobs the American worker is &quot;Not Allowed To Do&quot; by greedy employers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I say &#8221; go after the rest of the meat industry, as Swift is only one company&#8221;.  Hormel perhaps?<br />
 And the homebuilding industry.  Anyone having problems with lack of qulity in their new homes due to cheap,unskilled labor??<br />
 Lots of opportunities out there to save the jobs the American worker is &#8220;Not Allowed To Do&#8221; by greedy employers.</p>
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		<title>By: georgej</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2006/12/24/swift-meat-veterans-for-justice/comment-page-1/#comment-156606</link>
		<dc:creator>georgej</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Dec 2006 23:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Because there are jobs that some Americans just won&#039;t do--like enforcing immigration laws.&quot; - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2006/10/class_action_i.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Debbie Schlussel&lt;/a&gt;

Just as I noted in the other thread, illegal aliens cause everybody&#039;s wages to go down.

It&#039;s nice to see American workers going after companies who hire illegals by suing them. And I say that not only as a lawyer&#039;s husband.

Frankly, Swift and the other companies who hire illegals won&#039;t have a leg to stand on when it comes to trial. By being in violation of the law by hiring illegals -- the large number of them is prima facia evidence that it was with knowledge -- I think the only question will be is how large the damages against Swift will be or how quickly Swift offers a settlement in order to keep the plaintif&#039;s lawyers OUT of their personnel records. 

The question will be what happens in the future.  I look for an attempt by business to go to Congress and the state legislatures to &lt;strong&gt;OUTLAW&lt;/strong&gt; such suits in the future as &quot;frivolous&quot; or &quot;unnecessary.&quot;  Just as big business has moved to limit product liability and medical malpractice damages by caps on recovery or the NRA moving to prevent the Brady gun grabbers from suing gun makers into oblivion.

Using lawsuits to stop companies from hiring illegals would be different from either of these examples, because hiring illegals is itself a specific violation of the law.

But I expect them to try anyway, by using either liability caps and/or preemptive legislation to outlaw employee lawsuits against companies by twiddling the labor relations acts.

Follow the money.  Watch the Democrats&#039; financial coffers swell as the pro-business lobby tries to kill this practice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Because there are jobs that some Americans just won&#8217;t do&#8211;like enforcing immigration laws.&#8221; &#8211; <a href="http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2006/10/class_action_i.html" rel="nofollow">Debbie Schlussel</a></p>
<p>Just as I noted in the other thread, illegal aliens cause everybody&#8217;s wages to go down.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s nice to see American workers going after companies who hire illegals by suing them. And I say that not only as a lawyer&#8217;s husband.</p>
<p>Frankly, Swift and the other companies who hire illegals won&#8217;t have a leg to stand on when it comes to trial. By being in violation of the law by hiring illegals &#8212; the large number of them is prima facia evidence that it was with knowledge &#8212; I think the only question will be is how large the damages against Swift will be or how quickly Swift offers a settlement in order to keep the plaintif&#8217;s lawyers OUT of their personnel records. </p>
<p>The question will be what happens in the future.  I look for an attempt by business to go to Congress and the state legislatures to <strong>OUTLAW</strong> such suits in the future as &#8220;frivolous&#8221; or &#8220;unnecessary.&#8221;  Just as big business has moved to limit product liability and medical malpractice damages by caps on recovery or the NRA moving to prevent the Brady gun grabbers from suing gun makers into oblivion.</p>
<p>Using lawsuits to stop companies from hiring illegals would be different from either of these examples, because hiring illegals is itself a specific violation of the law.</p>
<p>But I expect them to try anyway, by using either liability caps and/or preemptive legislation to outlaw employee lawsuits against companies by twiddling the labor relations acts.</p>
<p>Follow the money.  Watch the Democrats&#8217; financial coffers swell as the pro-business lobby tries to kill this practice.</p>
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		<title>By: Slapstick Politics</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2006/12/24/swift-meat-veterans-for-justice/comment-page-1/#comment-156463</link>
		<dc:creator>Slapstick Politics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Dec 2006 20:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt; Swift Hired Illegal Immigrants To Depress Wages, Former Employees Allege In Lawsuit...&lt;/strong&gt;

So they were doing the work legal immigrants and U.S. citizens will do, but not for that lower wage. Whenever illegal immigrant advocates in the Hispanic community or business owners trots out this canard, it is easy to dispel the myth of &quot;jobs that A...</description>
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<p>So they were doing the work legal immigrants and U.S. citizens will do, but not for that lower wage. Whenever illegal immigrant advocates in the Hispanic community or business owners trots out this canard, it is easy to dispel the myth of &#8220;jobs that A&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: elpresidente</title>
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		<dc:creator>elpresidente</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Dec 2006 20:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://slapstickpolitics.blogspot.com/2006/12/swift-hired-illegal-immigrants-to.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;So they were doing the work legal immigrants and U.S. citizens &lt;em&gt;will do, but not for that lower wage&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;. Whenever illegal immigrant advocates in the Hispanic community or business owners trots out this canard, it is easy to dispel the myth of &quot;jobs that Americans won&#039;t do&quot;--we simply won&#039;t do them for a lower price. Heck, that is the whole point behind labor unions in the first place, protection of wages.

Faced with high labor costs, businesses end up sending jobs overseas, the dreaded &quot;outsourcing&quot; that liberals and unions despise. With cheap labor available elsewhere--and knowing that American job-seekers will refuse to accept a lower salary for the same work--the result is to move the job to the lower labor per unit cost area. Or in Swift&#039;s case, import the cheaper labor here, by allegedly knowingly employing illegal immigrants who are more than willing to accept marginal wages that Americans won&#039;t--or can&#039;t--accept. The legal immigrants and U.S. citizens most affected by this influx of cheap, illegal labor are Hispanics.

This is why amnesty will fail. The newly legalized citizens and those with work permits will be able to demand higher wages as the result in the change of their legal status--thus necessitating even more illegal immigration to maintain the normative depressed wages. Legal Hispanic immigrants and U.S. citizens displaced by more illegal immigrants. Seems like a logical solution to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://slapstickpolitics.blogspot.com/2006/12/swift-hired-illegal-immigrants-to.html" rel="nofollow">So they were doing the work legal immigrants and U.S. citizens <em>will do, but not for that lower wage</em></a>. Whenever illegal immigrant advocates in the Hispanic community or business owners trots out this canard, it is easy to dispel the myth of &#8220;jobs that Americans won&#8217;t do&#8221;&#8211;we simply won&#8217;t do them for a lower price. Heck, that is the whole point behind labor unions in the first place, protection of wages.</p>
<p>Faced with high labor costs, businesses end up sending jobs overseas, the dreaded &#8220;outsourcing&#8221; that liberals and unions despise. With cheap labor available elsewhere&#8211;and knowing that American job-seekers will refuse to accept a lower salary for the same work&#8211;the result is to move the job to the lower labor per unit cost area. Or in Swift&#8217;s case, import the cheaper labor here, by allegedly knowingly employing illegal immigrants who are more than willing to accept marginal wages that Americans won&#8217;t&#8211;or can&#8217;t&#8211;accept. The legal immigrants and U.S. citizens most affected by this influx of cheap, illegal labor are Hispanics.</p>
<p>This is why amnesty will fail. The newly legalized citizens and those with work permits will be able to demand higher wages as the result in the change of their legal status&#8211;thus necessitating even more illegal immigration to maintain the normative depressed wages. Legal Hispanic immigrants and U.S. citizens displaced by more illegal immigrants. Seems like a logical solution to me.</p>
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		<title>By: MamaAJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>MamaAJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Dec 2006 16:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really hope I don&#039;t hear someone start the &quot;jobs Americans won&#039;t do&quot; crap in person. I don&#039;t think I&#039;d be able to stop myself from administering a lecture about what is cause--availability of cheap illegal labor--and effect, i.e., lowering wages to a level citizens aren&#039;t that interested in. 

Such a stupid lie to claim it&#039;s the other way around.

Okay, back to enjoying Christmas with the kids...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really hope I don&#8217;t hear someone start the &#8220;jobs Americans won&#8217;t do&#8221; crap in person. I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;d be able to stop myself from administering a lecture about what is cause&#8211;availability of cheap illegal labor&#8211;and effect, i.e., lowering wages to a level citizens aren&#8217;t that interested in. </p>
<p>Such a stupid lie to claim it&#8217;s the other way around.</p>
<p>Okay, back to enjoying Christmas with the kids&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: right2bright</title>
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		<dc:creator>right2bright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Dec 2006 16:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A trial balloon by the administration to see how these policies pan out by the people and corporate?
If we yell &quot;hell yes, we want more&quot; than maybe there is hope for this administration to take illegal immigration serious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A trial balloon by the administration to see how these policies pan out by the people and corporate?<br />
If we yell &#8220;hell yes, we want more&#8221; than maybe there is hope for this administration to take illegal immigration serious.</p>
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		<title>By: Mojave Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mojave Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Dec 2006 15:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We just need to take all the fun out of hiring foreigners here illegally.</description>
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		<title>By: One Angry Christian</title>
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		<dc:creator>One Angry Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Dec 2006 14:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pandering is good. Esp when it snow balls

heh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pandering is good. Esp when it snow balls</p>
<p>heh.</p>
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		<title>By: EF</title>
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		<dc:creator>EF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Dec 2006 14:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;By the same token, there’s widespread agreement that in chasing the almighty dollar, the industry has destroyed an indigenous professional trade/industry AND reduced profitability, successfully driving down wages but driving down productivity even more.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Everytime I hear that they want to give illegals or &quot;guest workers&quot; driver&#039;s licenses I want to scream. Let&#039;s flood another market with cheap labor and see the wages go into the toilet and have it become another job &quot;Americans won&#039;t do.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>By the same token, there’s widespread agreement that in chasing the almighty dollar, the industry has destroyed an indigenous professional trade/industry AND reduced profitability, successfully driving down wages but driving down productivity even more.</p></blockquote>
<p>Everytime I hear that they want to give illegals or &#8220;guest workers&#8221; driver&#8217;s licenses I want to scream. Let&#8217;s flood another market with cheap labor and see the wages go into the toilet and have it become another job &#8220;Americans won&#8217;t do.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: RD</title>
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		<dc:creator>RD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Dec 2006 11:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The meat-packing example is such a textbook case because experts generally agree that in the &quot;good old days&quot;, before the tacit approval of illegal labor, there was a nexus of high wages, on-the-job expertise and efficiency that more than paid for itself in terms of higher productivity, better communication, less injuries, etc.  By the same token, there&#039;s widespread agreement that in chasing the almighty dollar, the industry has destroyed an indigenous professional trade/industry AND reduced profitability, successfully driving down wages but driving down productivity even more.

It would be great to see this one resolved in favor of the &quot;good guys&quot;.  It&#039;s even possible that many of the meat-packing companies would prefer in their heart of hearts, if they could, to snap their fingers and have everything go back to the way it was.  Doubtful they can, though.  And if they tried, would their ex-employees forgive them and &quot;take them back&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The meat-packing example is such a textbook case because experts generally agree that in the &#8220;good old days&#8221;, before the tacit approval of illegal labor, there was a nexus of high wages, on-the-job expertise and efficiency that more than paid for itself in terms of higher productivity, better communication, less injuries, etc.  By the same token, there&#8217;s widespread agreement that in chasing the almighty dollar, the industry has destroyed an indigenous professional trade/industry AND reduced profitability, successfully driving down wages but driving down productivity even more.</p>
<p>It would be great to see this one resolved in favor of the &#8220;good guys&#8221;.  It&#8217;s even possible that many of the meat-packing companies would prefer in their heart of hearts, if they could, to snap their fingers and have everything go back to the way it was.  Doubtful they can, though.  And if they tried, would their ex-employees forgive them and &#8220;take them back&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: RD</title>
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		<dc:creator>RD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Dec 2006 11:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... less than $6/hr with no sharp decrease in demand for meat - and the gradual replacement of long-time workers by workers who don&#039;t speak English (hint?) - might build a case that owners/managers must have known they were hiring illegals.  Just a logical argument, not necessarily a legal one :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; less than $6/hr with no sharp decrease in demand for meat &#8211; and the gradual replacement of long-time workers by workers who don&#8217;t speak English (hint?) &#8211; might build a case that owners/managers must have known they were hiring illegals.  Just a logical argument, not necessarily a legal one :-)</p>
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		<title>By: RD</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2006/12/24/swift-meat-veterans-for-justice/comment-page-1/#comment-156088</link>
		<dc:creator>RD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Dec 2006 11:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This whole development is great news, and a microcosm of what&#039;s been going on with meat-packing/cutting (and other high-paying) jobs in general, giving way to &quot;new&quot; less-qualified jobs paying 1/3 or 1/4 of what they used to, and on-the-job self-inflicted injuries by incompetents skyrocketing.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Any lawyer types out there care to guess what the relevant standard would be, and what the plaintiffs would have to prove?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I&#039;ve wondered that myself.  For one, showing the sharp decline of wages in the meat-packing business from &gt;$18/hr to </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This whole development is great news, and a microcosm of what&#8217;s been going on with meat-packing/cutting (and other high-paying) jobs in general, giving way to &#8220;new&#8221; less-qualified jobs paying 1/3 or 1/4 of what they used to, and on-the-job self-inflicted injuries by incompetents skyrocketing.</p>
<blockquote><p>Any lawyer types out there care to guess what the relevant standard would be, and what the plaintiffs would have to prove?</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ve wondered that myself.  For one, showing the sharp decline of wages in the meat-packing business from &gt;$18/hr to</p>
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		<title>By: DoctorDentons</title>
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		<dc:creator>DoctorDentons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Dec 2006 11:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I question the timing !</description>
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		<title>By: Theworldisnotenough</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2006/12/24/swift-meat-veterans-for-justice/comment-page-1/#comment-156010</link>
		<dc:creator>Theworldisnotenough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Dec 2006 09:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The more dirty it gets to hire illegals, the more companies will stay away from them. The illegal alien activists are only adding to it an making illegals less desireable to hire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The more dirty it gets to hire illegals, the more companies will stay away from them. The illegal alien activists are only adding to it an making illegals less desireable to hire.</p>
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		<title>By: Perchant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Perchant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Dec 2006 05:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;Before&lt;/em&gt; the ex employees and their lawyers became involved (which is very cool), the tear jerking blitz machine was already in overdrive.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
You nailed it, there is a new victim in town and this one is a real victim; victimized, in part, by yesterday&#039;s victim.

The courts need to be flooded with this type of lawsuit.  It will force an honest discussion about the economics of illegal labor.  There is so much dishonesty now that the Wall Street Journal is actually claiming in print that there are job shortages for jobs that have seen wages decrease substantially.  That hasn&#039;t happened since the great cotton picker shortage 200 years ago...down south there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><em>Before</em> the ex employees and their lawyers became involved (which is very cool), the tear jerking blitz machine was already in overdrive.</p></blockquote>
<p>You nailed it, there is a new victim in town and this one is a real victim; victimized, in part, by yesterday&#8217;s victim.</p>
<p>The courts need to be flooded with this type of lawsuit.  It will force an honest discussion about the economics of illegal labor.  There is so much dishonesty now that the Wall Street Journal is actually claiming in print that there are job shortages for jobs that have seen wages decrease substantially.  That hasn&#8217;t happened since the great cotton picker shortage 200 years ago&#8230;down south there.</p>
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		<title>By: Speakup</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2006/12/24/swift-meat-veterans-for-justice/comment-page-1/#comment-155812</link>
		<dc:creator>Speakup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Dec 2006 04:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before the ex employees and their lawyers became involved (which is very cool), the tear jerking blitz machine was already in overdrive. 
Every open borders, illegal migrant advocate group is demanding a moratorium on workplace enforcement.  
What a great opportunity to blast away at the heartless law enforcement crowd this has been. 
Amnesty through a worker program is being boosted back onto the front burner.   

What we see as simple and proper law enforcement has been portrayed as brutal hate filled racism.

Sounds like Islamic psych media propaganda, if we do nothing, it&#039;s over by simple demographics, if we dare enforce, it&#039;s over by reactionary policy lawmaking. 

I wonder, would the Israelis ask...now, how do you guys like it?  
What should our next move be?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before the ex employees and their lawyers became involved (which is very cool), the tear jerking blitz machine was already in overdrive.<br />
Every open borders, illegal migrant advocate group is demanding a moratorium on workplace enforcement.<br />
What a great opportunity to blast away at the heartless law enforcement crowd this has been.<br />
Amnesty through a worker program is being boosted back onto the front burner.   </p>
<p>What we see as simple and proper law enforcement has been portrayed as brutal hate filled racism.</p>
<p>Sounds like Islamic psych media propaganda, if we do nothing, it&#8217;s over by simple demographics, if we dare enforce, it&#8217;s over by reactionary policy lawmaking. </p>
<p>I wonder, would the Israelis ask&#8230;now, how do you guys like it?<br />
What should our next move be?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark V.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark V.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Dec 2006 03:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t think the plaintiff&#039;s would have to prove &lt;em&gt;knowing&lt;/em&gt; employment of illegal aliens.  And there&#039;s an easy way to prove a knowing violation anyway:  there are certain procedures that have to be followed and certain records that have to be kept in the hiring of workers.  If Swift can&#039;t produce the records for these workers or produce proof of compliance with procedures during discovery, it would be a pretty strong inference that they knew what they were doing when they hired these illegal aliens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t think the plaintiff&#8217;s would have to prove <em>knowing</em> employment of illegal aliens.  And there&#8217;s an easy way to prove a knowing violation anyway:  there are certain procedures that have to be followed and certain records that have to be kept in the hiring of workers.  If Swift can&#8217;t produce the records for these workers or produce proof of compliance with procedures during discovery, it would be a pretty strong inference that they knew what they were doing when they hired these illegal aliens.</p>
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		<title>By: Starblazer</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2006/12/24/swift-meat-veterans-for-justice/comment-page-1/#comment-155776</link>
		<dc:creator>Starblazer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Dec 2006 03:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>correction II - they did plant a microchip in the arm of the characters from an episode of &quot;Sliders&quot; &amp; Stallone&#039;s character in &quot;Demolition Man&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>correction II &#8211; they did plant a microchip in the arm of the characters from an episode of &#8220;Sliders&#8221; &amp; Stallone&#8217;s character in &#8220;Demolition Man&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Starblazer</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2006/12/24/swift-meat-veterans-for-justice/comment-page-1/#comment-155774</link>
		<dc:creator>Starblazer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Dec 2006 03:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>correction, in a episode of &quot;Sliders&quot; &amp; in the movie &quot;Demolition Man&quot; they did plant a microchip in the arms of the characters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>correction, in a episode of &#8220;Sliders&#8221; &amp; in the movie &#8220;Demolition Man&#8221; they did plant a microchip in the arms of the characters.</p>
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		<title>By: Starblazer</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2006/12/24/swift-meat-veterans-for-justice/comment-page-1/#comment-155773</link>
		<dc:creator>Starblazer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Dec 2006 03:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>actually, in a episode of &quot;Sliders&quot; &amp; in the movie &quot;Demolition Man&quot; they did plant chips into the human body.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>actually, in a episode of &#8220;Sliders&#8221; &amp; in the movie &#8220;Demolition Man&#8221; they did plant chips into the human body.</p>
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