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Upon closer examination, perhaps good can not exist without division. The very concept of “good vs. evil” is divisive. To say that religion is harmful because it is divisive is like saying that bright light is undesirable because it disturbs the homogeneity of the darkness

I must disagree. Good can indeed exist for it’s own sake, without requiring evil as the counterpoint. Evil, on the other hand, cannot say the same. It exists always as a perversion of some good, whether due to greed, lust, jealousy, etc. Always it is someone’s selfish wish for a good that they either don’t deserve or haven’t earned that drives evil.

And since the concept of light/dark was brought up, consider this. Even the smallest candle lit in a room dispels the darkness, but is there any way to bring darkness to a place to remove light? No, it is impossible. Light has power, darkness has none, is nothing more than the absence of power. So it is with good and evil. Evil has no power other than the shreds of light which represent the twisted good which is its goal. Real evil, faced with real good, is wiped away as darkness is before a bright light.

Furthermore, I have never been to Europe …

It shows. I do admit I have never been to America either, mostly because I have not been able to yet. But perhaps in 2007 …

I would warmly invite you to visit us in Europe, though. We’re not as different from you as you may imagine. You may just like it. I know that Americans love it here in London, and they love visiting cities like Paris, Rome, etc. Completely different world, but the people are genuine if you can look past their un-American reservedness

We Americans are much more of a melting pot. We assimilate everyone and everything. Europeans are stark segregationists by comparison. It is only now, in the 21st century, that the Europeans are taking some steps (with the EU and a common currency) to “mix things up a bit”.

Well good on you. Most Europeans have no desire whatsoever to “mix things up a bit”. Most Europeans oppose the un-democratic EU too. Why try to fix something that isn’t broken.

Another point to ponder is that although you Europeans think of us Americans as the “new kid on the block,” the truth, according to geneticists like Spencer Wells (BTW, he’s an American Stanford Ph.D. working at Oxford) says that it is actually the Europeans (the caucasian races, in general) that are the true “newcomers.” Based on DNA evidence, he claims that humans (possessing our current DNA code), have been around for 60,000 years, but the causian races of Europe have only been around for the last 20,000 years or so.

So, if you have European ancestry, the same would hold true for you as well? Regardless of the fact that you are now American.

I am actually also a “Colonial” … of Dutch/German heritage, but born and bred in South Africa. My paternal ancestors left Amsterdam back in 1666, at the same year of the Great Fire of London and the end of the Plague.

Now, I am back in Europe. I feel as if I have come home to where I belong. I’ll stay here, and I don’t feel attracted to go to America, Australia or anywhere else in the New World.

Sure, like our friend RedinBlueCounty? ;-)

MoonbatMedia on December 24, 2006 at 8:26 PM

I presume that our friend RedInBlue is a conservative living in county filled with moonbat liberals (based on his handle alone). I know how he feels. My geographic circumstances are similar. Life’s hard for people like us.

Although it is true that most Americans can trace their ancestry back to the caucasian races of Europe, a good portion of our similarites end right there in the DNA. Some of my ancestors arrived in Jamestown Virginia on the second British boat that arrived — in 1610 (first boat to arrive at that colony was in 1607). So a little arithmetic reveals that my ancestors and I have had ~400 years to separate our way of thinking from the Celt/Roman/Anglo/Saxon/Norman tribes that squabbled over the British isles. Most Americans are probably no more like the Europeans than the Europeans are like the ancient Greeks or Romans. My children are a mix of Irish, Welch, English, Italian, Portuguese, and American Indian (and probably some other things that I don’t know about). I believe that this is one of the most significant differences between Americans and Europeans. We Americans are much more of a melting pot. We assimilate everyone and everything. Europeans are stark segregationists by comparison. It is only now, in the 21st century, that the Europeans are taking some steps (with the EU and a common currency) to “mix things up a bit”.

Although I have worked on business deals with Europeans, and I spent many my formative years in school with many Europeans, I can not say that I feel any more binding ties with them than I do with my Asian friends and business associates. Furthermore, I have never been to Europe and quite frankly, I have no desire to go there. Does that mean that I’m a xenophobic hillbilly? Not exactly. I have made numerous trips to Asian countries. When someone asks me why I’ve never visited Europe, my reply is that “My ancestors left Europe a.s.a.p. back in 1610. It is enough for me to trust their judgement.”

Another point to ponder is that although you Europeans think of us Americans as the “new kid on the block,” the truth, according to geneticists like Spencer Wells (BTW, he’s an American Stanford Ph.D. working at Oxford) says that it is actually the Europeans (the caucasian races, in general) that are the true “newcomers.” Based on DNA evidence, he claims that humans (possessing our current DNA code), have been around for 60,000 years, but the causian races of Europe have only been around for the last 20,000 years or so. I have no problem with you being Eurocentric. Just don’t go around telling everyone that the Europeans were the first and best at everything — because they were’nt.

… a majority of the hillbillys in the U.S. are not really certain where they came from, and even if they do know where they came from, most likely they’re too xenophobic to admit it.

Sure, like our friend RedinBlueCounty? ;-)

… look at this map:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Census-2000-Data-Top-US-Ancestries-by-County.jpg

MoonbatMedia on December 24, 2006 at 4:42 PM

LOL! The only thing that post of your proves is that you have never spent a significant amount of time traveling within the United States. The people that live here can take one glance at that map and they laugh because the only thing that it indicates is something that everyone that lives here already know, viz. a majority of the hillbillys in the U.S. are not really certain where they came from, and even if they do know where they came from, most likely they’re too xenophobic to admit it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Census-2000-Data-Top-US-Ancestries-by-County.jpg

And arguing for the sake of an argument is childish and shows little respect for the opinion others. If you have a point, then by all means use arguments to make that point. If you goal is just to argue for the sake of entertainment, then let me know as I do not wish to debate simply for your amusement.

Oh, again a misunderstanding. I never argue for the sake of it. Only when I have a point to make. It does not amuse me either. Your responses do, though.

Which is more cool, because simply agreeing with everything is boring and conformist.

And arguing for the sake of an argument is childish and shows little respect for the opinion others. If you have a point, then by all means use arguments to make that point. If you goal is just to argue for the sake of entertainment, then let me know as I do not wish to debate simply for your amusement.

You mis understand me, I’m not trying to say I hate Europe as Europe has some good things to offer. I was stationed in Germany for a year and a half back in the mid 80’s and I enjoyed that very much. I just think Europe has a lot to learn from America and I am tired of the European belief that they are the enlightened ones and America is the source of the world’s pain and suffering. History shows time and again it is the other way around.

You misunderstand me too. Let me say that again: I’m a fan and admirer of America. But I won’t go along with your Euro-bashing, because a lot of it is rooted in ignorance.

Judging by your little exchange with RedinBlue, you won’t agree with my posts either.

Which is more cool, because simply agreeing with everything is boring and conformist.

And you say your not eurocentric?

I’m Eurocentric and proud of it. :-)

Or in Serbia, where America “bailed out” the Muslims the victims of mass murder by attacking the Christian Serbs.

MoonbatMedia on December 24, 2006 at 3:54 PM

There. Fixed that for ya’. Moonbat, you need to keep in mind that a Muslim is not a Muslim just because he says he believes in Islam. Similarly, a Christian is not a Christian simply because he says he believes in Jesus. No need to respond. Judging by your little exchange with RedinBlue, you won’t agree with my posts either.

They count, but only a little

And you say your not eurocentric? They count just as much as any American, it doesn’t matter where someone is from, or where their parents or grandparents were from. Once they immigrate and become citizens, they are Americans.

BTW, I know a lot of Native Americans that would be surprised to know that they have been exterminated. To think, their entire life is just a dream!

As Europe was not the only country who’s emigrants helped build America, Have you forgotten the millions of Asian people, or the South Americans? Or all the rest of the world? Do they not count?

They count, but only a little. Until very recently America was over 80% of European ancestry. This means the European emigrants built America (with some help of slaves from Africa …).

South America? Well … not exactly the epitomization of economic success!

America has never had war and strife? In its short history, it’s had a massive civil war, wars against the Native Americans, and participated in both World Wars. And after, into Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, … nope, Americans have broken with Europe, the continent of strife! ;-)

Yea, America has had a civil war, one that ended over a hundred years ago, can Europe say the same? Yes, America fought with the American Indians, but that conflict started before America existed and was, I believe, started by Europeans. WWI, and I can’t believe your even bringing it up, was started by, you guessed it, Europe and didn’t end till America became involved and stopped it. Too bad we didn’t stay because 30 years later Europe is fighting ANOTHER war which doesn’t end till America gets involved. And after we won that war and stationed troops in Europe, another war has not started. As far as all the rest of the wars, I do believe most of them, Vietnam, Korea, etc, were European colonies before American involvement and were started by the inhabitants of those countries to end that colonization by Europeans. Once again, Europeans started wars that eventually involved America. Both Iraq and Afghanistan were wars to overthrow a brutal and murderous government, ones that Europe was more than happy to allow to continue.

Poor people can’t be industrious to improve themselves? Because that’s exactly what happened. Who built America, other than industrious immigrants from Europe?

Apparently in Europe, poor people COULD NOT improve themselves due to European governmental and cultural interference and control. Why else would they come here, if not to break the shackles of that oppression and begin to live a better life? Why risk the travel unless you had no other choice?

As Europe was not the only country who’s emigrants helped build America, Have you forgotten the millions of Asian people, or the South Americans? Or all the rest of the world? Do they not count?

America is America. It is not another Europe, no matter how much you wish it were. America has done more to alleviate pain and suffering, war and strife, poverty and hunger than any other country or culture throughout the history of mankind. We have accomplished this faster and more effectively that any one else. We are the ones that the world turns to when there is trouble, we are the ones the world depends on when there is destitution, we are the ones that everyone solicits when there is need. Can Europe say the same?

You need to look past the eurocentric thinking and see America as it really is. America is a country where everyone is a king and a queen, a prince and a princess, a country where everyone have an equal chance to achieve their goals and to improve their lives and the lives of others. Can you name any other country that has our success and our achievements?

I can not, hence me stating that I’m a fan of America.

We fought a war with the American Indians, and that ended long time ago as well.

Yeah, it came to a natural end when the Native Americans were exterminated. ;-)

America has been in conflict with itself and others in our past, and in our present, but we have not been at war with ourself continually has have most of Europe over it’s entire history.

The reason for this is because America is now a single political entity (I’m talking of the USA), hence border disputes are not a factor. Europeans have now formed the EU, for the very reason that they want to prevent further border disputes in the future, and aid continental integration. (By the way, I’m not a great fan of the EU …)

It is rather silly to compare Europe in America in this way. Political dynamics are different. I’m not an opponent of America, but a supporter and a fan of America. Europe needs America, especially in these days. But America also needs Europe. We should not divorce our blood ties just because of some silly competition or something. Life will become a lot more harder for the West in the years to come. We will have to strengthen old ties and explore common bonds to survive.

… we have not been at war with ourself continually has have most of Europe over it’s entire history

Well … you have, actually, since you share a common history with Europe for thousands of years, just splitting a few centuries ago. All these European “warmongers” you loathe so much were likely your ancestors.

America has done more to alleviate pain and suffering, war and strife, poverty and hunger, and has improved the lives of millions and millions of people all around the world.

I’m not sure where exactly you derive this from. Do a poll on the streets of Baghdad tomorrow to prove your point, please. ;-) Or in Serbia, where America “bailed out” the Muslims by attacking the Christian Serbs.

America fought in both world wars to help Europe end THEIR wars, remember? We did not start ether war, we finished them. It was Europe that started WWI and it was American involvement that ended it. It was Europe and Japan that started WWII, and it was America that finished it. It was America that has since prevented war in ether place. without us, where would Europe be today? No doubt it would be fighting another war with itself and others.

America has been in conflict with itself and others in our past, and in our present, but we have not been at war with ourself continually has have most of Europe over it’s entire history. We have done more to end and prevent wars than Europe can even consider, let alone emulate. Please do not equate America with Europe, that is a false analogy.

Apparently in old Europe, poor people COULD NOT improve themselfs due to the economical and cultural constraints of European governments and their control. Why else would they come here?

You need to look past the eurocentric thinking and see America as it really is. America is a country where everyone is a king and a queen, a prince and a princess, a country where everyone have an equal chance to achieve their goals and to improve their lives and the lives of others. Can you name any other country that has our success and our achievements?

America has done more to alleviate pain and suffering, war and strife, poverty and hunger, and has improved the lives of millions and millions of people all around the world. We have done this faster and more effectively that all other countries or cultures throughout the history of mankind. Can Europe say the same?