The stated intent of their core doctrine specifically advocates the conquest or enslavement of the “infidel”, religious intolerance, killing of apostates, imposition of Islamic law on all people, compromise of civil rights, and a fundamental incompatability with the Consitituion of the United States and it’s laws. This incompatability with the laws of the United States is the issue.

If Kieth Ellison were serious in his argument that Muslims with to intergrate with those in the United States to it’s benfit he should debate Robert Spencer and directly address the issues in his book “The Truth about Muhammad”. Have him debate Mark Steyn and Brigitte Gabriel. Answer the issues directly without the predictable run around and avoidance. Let me say that again so that there is not any misunderstanding: ANSWER THE QUESTIONS ABOUT ISLAMIC INTENT DIRECTLY, WITHOUT ANY DODGE OR AMBIGUITY IN A MANNER THAT SPEAKS DIRECTLY TO THE QUESTION, TO THE SATISFACTION OF THOSE IN THE UNITED STATES.

I would not hold my breath for that to happen, it will be hazardous to your health.

“Oh muslim brothers! We are one step closer to taking over the great satan! Allah be praised! We shall soon have sharia law in America!”

At the same time, the lefty libs are ‘celebrating diversity’…

“Yay! Look at us! Look at how non-islamophobic we are! Yay for us! We’re not bigots! Look at me! NO, look at ME! No, no, LOOK AT ME!!”

Meanwhile, back at the cave, muslim ‘holy warriors’ are sharpening their knives…

“Oh muslim brothers! Go to America and kill the infidels! Especially the weak liberals who won’t fight back! We must kill them first and the rest will submit. Find Julia Roberts, Alec Baldwin and Tim Robbins and smite them at their necks! Lay in wait for them and attack them at every ambush! Cut off their left foot and their right hand. Cover their whores in the burqa and rape those who refuse!”

You libs are like sheep leading the wolves to the herd. Giving your greatgrandchildren’s lives over to a ‘religion’ that will make your greatgrandson a suicide bomber and will cut off your greatgranddaughter’s clitoris to save her ‘honor’ and within a generation of taking over will destroy this country that you claim to love so much.

“United we stand”. Remember that? If we were all on the same side, this war would be over by now and we’d be back to debating taxes and abortion but NNNOOOOOooooooooo you guys just HAVE to keep trying to win the war debate. THERE IS NO WAR DEBATE! We are at war! Whether you like it or not! Dammit! Japan just bomber Pearl Harbor “Well, we need to find out why they hate us so much.” No, Einstein, we need to destroy the muthaf*ckers before they destroy us! What’s so friggin’ hard to understand about that?

Little Green Footballs

Rep. Virgil Goode (R-Va.) is the latest target of the radical Islamist front group known as the Council on American Islamic Relations, after he wrote a letter to constituents criticizing Keith Ellison for using a Koran at his sw…

Sorry – here’s the link correctly inlined.

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Debbie was right. I think he is the Manchurian Candidate…the Jihadi Candidate…DIRKADIRKA

Not sure about that myself, but I did think the derisive comments directed toward Debbie were over the top and missed the point. I responded on the original thread, if you care to see it.

I understand in hell you can’t use capital letters. So there’s that…

honora on December 22, 2006 at 2:44 PM

It’s amazing how much information can be communicated through voice inflection, body language, AND capital letters. Even Bill O’Reilly knows that. Apparently, you don’t. Bygones.

After we’re all dead, I can’t say for certain if God punishes souls for being naive, but if He does, don’t come running to me in order to find someone that will defend you. I will tell God EVERYTHING that I heard and saw while I was on earth (not that He needs my help) — including your high-brow pandering of people that are bent on pure evil.

CyberCipher on December 22, 2006 at 1:18 PM

I understand in hell you can’t use capital letters. So there’s that…

“Waaaaaaa … You’re xenophobic.” I’m beginning to think liberals are born this way. Only a fool would rationalize world events as they do.

darwin on December 22, 2006 at 10:40 AM

Final thoughts: I must disagree; liberals may be raised to think this way, but they can be reformed. Many of us have received treatment for the mentall illness of liberalism.

Remember: A Liberal is one who refuses to take his own side in a fight. Still the best definition I have ever heard.

And what could be more ridiculous (in this thread) than atheists and secular Jews complaining (to Christians?) about a practicing Jew’s criticism of the secular public policy decision of a practicing Muslim?

I know.

I think the guy – or gal, makes some very good points.

Heh. Actually, I couldn’t help myself on that one; got it from a dumb email joke about Jesus and Finkelstein, the tailor.

Ah. Heheh.

Merry Christmas to you as well.

If Ellison means what he says, all he has to do to prove it is to say very publicly, that he believes that:

- Anybody who blows up a bus, plane or train in the name of Islam is not going to heaven and is not getting 72 virgins, and is lost to Islam.

- In America the laws of the Koran are subordinate to the U.S. Constitution.

If he says those things, he can be a great leader for the assimilation of Muslims in the U.S.

If he won’t say those things, there’s a danger that he doesn’t believe them. He needs to be put on the spot about it.

You will accept nothing. I don’t know much about the Goode controversy except that I read a few articles including the one you linked which stated that the “Virgil Goode” position is one defending us from illegal immigration. He may very well be a bigot. I really don’t care. My point was that he wasn’t trying to stop anything. Have you seen any proposed legislation. Me neither.

Moreover, my comments were about Dennis Prager not Virgil Goode.

Prager is not someone I care about. My point was about Goode and was in many ways, a general remark. The apology thing wasn’t a serious comment it was in response to the getting my facts straight remark which was rather condescending; not to mention wrong.

Lord and Taylor?

Slublog on December 22, 2006 at 10:25 AM

Heh. Actually, I couldn’t help myself on that one; got it from a dumb email joke about Jesus and Finkelstein, the tailor.

Merry Christmas!

I am sooo tired of hearing and seeing in print the term “radical Islam.” What people fail to understand is that it’s ALL “radical Islam” — there isn’t any other kind. Any differences that you might cite are only a matter of degree, and those differences DON’T change the core teachings of Islam. So if you don’t believe me, that’s fine, I wouldn’t expect you to. After all, CyberCiper roughly translates as “internet nobody” But you should read this:

“The god of Islam is not the same God of the Christian or the Judeo-Christian faith. It is a different god, and I believe a very evil and a very wicked religion.” (Franklin Graham, on CBC, Sunday, October 22, 2006)

And if you (and the majority of the American people) won’t believe Franklin Graham either, then most likely, ALL of us will die at the hands of the Jihadists. Muslims are NOT my enemy. Islam is. Islam is PURE EVIL. There. I said it.

After we’re all dead, I can’t say for certain if God punishes souls for being naive, but if He does, don’t come running to me in order to find someone that will defend you. I will tell God EVERYTHING that I heard and saw while I was on earth (not that He needs my help) — including your high-brow pandering of people that are bent on pure evil.

Assimilation in the sociological sense means taking from many and making one.

honora on December 22, 2006 at 12:31 PM

So when we finish assimilating with Muslims, we will all be “one” then and wearing burqas. Oh yay.

Assimilation actually requires assimilation. That means foregoing what was theirs and adopting what is ours. When America stops requiring this of our immigrants or even our politicians we are no longer America.

Ignorance comes in many forms, Muslims and moonbats being two prime examples, so for my part I will remain concerned of each.

MarkB on December 22, 2006 at 12:25 PM

Oh balls. Assimilation in the sociological sense means taking from many and making one. Look at Christmas–where does the idea of the Christmas tree come from? How about Santa Claus? Or the creche? You think these were native American customs? Get some perspective, not everything began the day you started observing things.

Ignorance comes in many forms, Muslims and moonbats being two prime examples, so for my part I will remain concerned of each.

If Islam was a religion like all others, there would be no problem. But it’s not, and never will be. It’s a very political, totalitarian ideology, so treating it with multicultural sensitivity is lethally dangerous. Islam is inherently anathema to the US Constitution the way Christianity, Judaism and even Buddhism never can or will be. We tolerate its spread, like Marxism, at our own risk.

Halley on December 22, 2006 at 8:21 AM

Exactamundo!

Whoops. Hit the submit button too soon.

Slublog on December 22, 2006 at 10:28 AM

Islam syndrome?

The ACLU is far ahead of commecialism as an attack on Christmas and Christians. In fact capitalism is the economic engine of freedom and freedom loving republics. The same cannot be said for the ACLU, they are the attack dogs of the religion of the Godless.

I was always told to be wary of anyone that told you not to fear.http://hotair.com/archives/2006/12/21/video-keith-ellison-responds-to-dennis-prager-and-virgil-goode/…