Surgemania: Four takes on sending more troops to Iraq

posted at 10:20 am on December 21, 2006 by Allahpundit

Abizaid and Casey say no. A group of troops who met with Gates earlier today in Baghdad say yes. Take advantage of the slow Christmas season news day that’s shaping up and read these four pieces on the subject. None is very long.

1. Mario Loyola: no surge. Why force more troops on generals who insist they don’t need them? All we’ll end up doing is antagonizing Iraqis who are already hostile to occupation. Besides, he says, “the deteriorating security situation in Baghdad is at root not a military problem but a political one.” Really? Most Iraqi bloggers I’ve read claim the government’s widely regarded as a joke, its authority completely nonexistent outside the Green Zone. How would reconciliation between Sunni and Shiite politicians to whom no one pays any attention change that? Gangs aren’t known for dissolving themselves and giving up their territory in the spirit of fraternal comity.

2. Time: surge in Baghdad, not Anbar. It could work in Baghdad. It’s worked before:

In areas where U.S. troops control traffic through checkpoints and mount regular patrols, sectarian murders tend to drop. Would-be killers who fan out across the city from militia strongholds have a difficult time carrying out attacks amid car searches and street watches by U.S. troops. Perhaps the most visible example of this came in October, when U.S. forces threw up a temporary blockade around the Shi’a slum of Sadr City, home to the Mahdi Army militia blamed for much of the sectarian killings around Baghdad. During the days when the Sadr City cordon was in place, Baghdad saw noticeably fewer murders. The episode revealed two important things. First, U.S. forces can ratchet down the killings in Baghdad, at least for a time, with basic tactics like roadblocks and military policing. And second, as of now, the militias so eager to kill civilians are reluctant to confront American troops.

Why not Anbar? Because (a) it’s mostly Sunni, so there’s less sectarian killing happening there, (b) the U.S. presence is despised and would be despised more intense with more troops, and (c) the locals are joining the police force (per the Patriquin plan) and dealing with the jihadis themselves.

3. Reuel Marc Gerecht: never mind the surge — fight smart. If you have time to read only one, read this one. It’s Cheney’s “side with the Shiites” strategy, essentially. He thinks it’d be a huge mistake to confront al-Sadr before the Sunni insurgents in Baghdad have been dealt with. Otherwise we risk starting a civil war within a civil war by pitting some Shiite leaders against others (there’s already considerable tension between them), which would light a fire in the south of Iraq and probably force a bidding war among them for Iran’s favor. Follow the Kagan-Keane plan instead, he says, and bring down the hammer on the people who are making the Shiites so jumpy in the first place.

If the administration first focuses militarily on the Sunni insurgency, as called for in the Keane-Kagan plan — and the press indicates Mr. Bush is taking the two men very seriously — the United States and the Iraqi government would be better able to diminish sectarian violence. With more troops, we can clear and hold Sunni areas in Baghdad and thereby prevent Shiite militias from streaming out of Sadr City to attack defenseless Sunnis.

Shiite militias are clever predators. They fear American power — the confrontation in Najaf in 2004, during which thousands from the Mahdi Army perished, taught them about the destructive capacity of the American military. If the Americans leave sufficient forces in cleared Sunni areas, they will stay away. But if we pass the holding part of counterinsurgency campaigns to ill-equipped units of the Iraqi Army and to the Iraqi police, who often aid Shiite militias, they will pounce…

Mr. Sadr’s reputation can be reduced and his charisma countered if ordinary Shiites have more moderate alternatives, backed by American power, who can protect them from insurgency-loving Sunnis and death-squad Shiites.

Maliki himself favors this plan, sort of. We send in more troops and deal with the Sunnis, he says, and he’ll use sticks and carrots to deal with Sadr. Which of course is something he’s been promising to do for months but hasn’t, and now he risks precisely the same intra-Shiite battle that Gerecht’s so worried about. A Shiite coalition is meeting with Sadr today; supposedly he’s been chastened by talk of a coalition being formed to isolate him and has agreed to a one-month ceasefire. If you believe Gerecht, that’s not a bad outcome — we’ll have to deal with him eventually, but if we can buy him off until the Sunnis are broken, that’ll make it much easier.

Question: how are Sunni political leaders going to sell their constituents on political reconciliation if we’re focused entirely on fighting Sunnis while Sadr walks free?

4. Fred Kaplan: if we surge, it shouldn’t be a Kagan-Keane surge. The number of troops we’d need just isn’t there, he says.

So there you go. Meanwhile, I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: the Saudis must really be worried about Shiite influence.

Update: Okay, make it five pieces you should read. Stanley Kurtz responds at the Corner to Loyola’s politics-before-war solution and finds it wanting for the same reason I do — if the state has no monopoly of force, its policies mean nothing in practice. He also says this about Gerecht’s op-ed:

By the end of the piece, Gerecht is saying we need to ignore Iraq’s elected politicians and disarm the militias (in careful order). Whatever this is, it is not democracy. It was clearly a mistake to believe that elections would bring democracy without our first disarming the militias. Implicitly, Jed Babbin’s tough questions on Iraq strategy reinforce that point. (HT Glenn Reynolds) The only way to success in Iraq lies through effective cancellation of the militia-tainted “democracy” we’ve had up to now.

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Abizaid and Casey say no. A group of troops who met with Gates earlier today in Baghdad say yes.

So.. we are comparing the professional opinions of unnamed “troops” on the ground, with the professional evaluations of two of our best trained and experience generals.

{sigh}

Why is this news?

This isn’t news… this is nonsense.

Lawrence on December 21, 2006 at 10:45 AM

The reason we aren’t winning faster in Iraq is because our rules of engangement seriously restrice how we kill the enemy. In the case of Muqtada Al-Sadir, the leader of a significant element of the conflict, we can’t even arrest him. Let alone kill him.

We need to rethink whether we are there simply to fight the war, or if we are there to eventually win the war.

What say you, Gates? Now that you are ‘in charge’ are you willing to pay the price for victory, or is the cost of defeat more attractive?

Lawrence on December 21, 2006 at 10:49 AM

Why do no plans seriously address the problem of Iran insinuating itself into Iraq? If the Iraqis want/need to have a civil war, I really don’t have a problem with that. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but I think there are probably a lot of elements that need to be purged. But that is only the case if there are no outside influences (Shia Iran, Sunni Saudi Arabia, anti-Kurd Turkey, etc.) trying to manipulate the process. The role of the US (IMAO) should be to establish a good (sniper and land-mine enhanced) fences/good neighbors environment, especially with Iran and Syria. I would love to see GWB send a few tomahawks to the installations whence come many of the Iranian weapons that have been showing up in Iraq. (Yes, I know that‘s a fantasy.)

urbancenturion on December 21, 2006 at 10:58 AM

We could kill Sadr…people get killed in Iraq everyday..what makes him any different?

EnochCain on December 21, 2006 at 10:59 AM

I’m going to Vent for a minute. Rules of Engagement is a tactical level decision matrix for deciding when someone is a threat and when that threat can be neutralized. Attacking Al-Sadr and his militia is NOT question of Rules of Engagment, it is a strategic/political decision based on trying to stabilize Iraq. Its not like we have troops being shot at by Mahadi militiamen and they can’t shoot back. I have not heard of a single incident where a US soldier came up on a Shiite death squad, drilling holes in Sunnis, and he couldn’t do anything about it. ROE dictactes how we fight, not who.

BohicaTwentyTwo on December 21, 2006 at 11:11 AM

OPTION #5:

First, build a couple three Mosques scattered throughout the regions… then, evict ALL imbedded journalists speed bumps and…finally, level EVERY SINGLE MOSQUE in sight that we did not build and do not control until the final handover.

Dust of our hands, lay claim to some land for a permanent Base Ops in country and come the hell home.

seejanemom on December 21, 2006 at 11:24 AM

the Saudis must really be worried about Shiite influence

These are the people we should be talking with not the Iranians, who, as any moron not named James Baker, would have realized long ago are not helping us in Afghanistan. Who hates al Qaeda and Iran as much as we do and has at least as much to lose?

Enemy of my enemy and all that.

JackStraw on December 21, 2006 at 11:24 AM

I’m going to Vent for a minute. Rules of Engagement is a tactical level decision matrix for deciding when someone is a threat and when that threat can be neutralized. Attacking Al-Sadr and his militia is NOT question of Rules of Engagment, it is a strategic/political decision based on trying to stabilize Iraq. Its not like we have troops being shot at by Mahadi militiamen and they can’t shoot back. I have not heard of a single incident where a US soldier came up on a Shiite death squad, drilling holes in Sunnis, and he couldn’t do anything about it. ROE dictactes how we fight, not who.

BohicaTwentyTwo on December 21, 2006 at 11:11 AM

Rules of engagement is the latest in a long, sad line of excuses. It’s not that going into Iraq was ill-conceived, no, no, no…it’s rules of engagement, it’s not a civil war, it’s just plays one on TV. Yada, yada, yada.

Jon Stewart w Bill Crystal the other night (paraphrasing): “So Bush thought Iraq had WMDs, turns out that was wrong; thought there would be no insurgency, turns out that was wrong; thought elections would solve everything, turns out that was wrong; thought we were in the last throes, turns out that was wrong. So you’re backing him now sending in more troops based on what, the idea that he’s due?”

honora on December 21, 2006 at 11:26 AM

Key here is cutting off the Iran/Syrai pipelines of money, arms, and supply. Without them the “Militias” would dry up and blow away as they have NO large internal support mechanisim.

Just like Hez, who is spending outside money to rearm, and “help” the people, thus gaining political control of areas, these militias MUST be put down.

The Borders are long, but could be controled by creating border crossings, and then enforcing a free fire zone on anything crossing the border at any other spot. Helicopter and Fast Movers, after a few GRAPHIC incidents, could put a real dent in these porous borders.

Just as we are finding out in America, you can’t have rule of law without effective border security.

Romeo13 on December 21, 2006 at 11:33 AM

Key here is cutting off the Iran/Syrai pipelines of money, arms, and supply. Without them the “Militias” would dry up and blow away as they have NO large internal support mechanisim.

Just like Hez, who is spending outside money to rearm, and “help” the people, thus gaining political control of areas, these militias MUST be put down.

The Borders are long, but could be controled by creating border crossings, and then enforcing a free fire zone on anything crossing the border at any other spot. Helicopter and Fast Movers, after a few GRAPHIC incidents, could put a real dent in these porous borders.

Just as we are finding out in America, you can’t have rule of law without effective border security.

Romeo13 on December 21, 2006 at 11:33 AM

Good idea. Though I am not as sanguine as you are re the militias will dry up minus the Iran/Syria support. I think they have lots of internal support, that’s kinda the point of a civil war.

Nonetheless, this is a sensible idea.

honora on December 21, 2006 at 11:39 AM

what is this? A multi flavored surge machine?

yeah, I know. Bad joke.

One Angry Christian on December 21, 2006 at 12:11 PM

Honora, I agree with you that saying the Rules of Engagement (ROE) are too restrictive is a sad excuse. Everything else you said was crap, but I digress. There were ROE issues in Vietnam, that is true. Troops couldn’t follow the enemy into North Vietnam or Cambodia. We were fighting the standing army of a country, North Vietnam, but we were restricted in how we could fight said country. If I’ve said it once, I’ve said it a million times, Iraq is NOT Vietnam. We are NOT fighting a standing army. They are NOT escaping across the border into Iran or Syria where we cannot touch them. Are Syria and Iran aiding the insurgents, sure, but we aren’t fighting the Syrian or Iranian army…yet.

BohicaTwentyTwo on December 21, 2006 at 12:29 PM

Honora, I agree with you that saying the Rules of Engagement (ROE) are too restrictive is a sad excuse. Everything else you said was crap, but I digress.

..one small step for bohica22…

honora on December 21, 2006 at 12:50 PM

honora on December 21, 2006 at 11:26 AM

and so you want to pull out and what? watch the bloodbath? how may tens of thousands more tortures are you willing to sacrifice so you can say you want peace? how many more rapes before you can say you want peace? pull out and watch Israel get torn apart (a good way to get rid of those pesky jews)? at least you will be at peace. you won’t have to sacrifice your peace, it is protected for you. typical of someone who gets their news and arguments from jon stewart and billy crystal.
and when things get tough on you, you will vote for a Winston Churchill to bail you out, and when you are safe again, back to the “peace while others sacrifice”.

right2bright on December 21, 2006 at 1:17 PM

and so you want to pull out and what? watch the bloodbath? how may tens of thousands more tortures are you willing to sacrifice so you can say you want peace? how many more rapes before you can say you want peace? pull out and watch Israel get torn apart (a good way to get rid of those pesky jews)? at least you will be at peace. you won’t have to sacrifice your peace, it is protected for you. typical of someone who gets their news and arguments from jon stewart and billy crystal.
and when things get tough on you, you will vote for a Winston Churchill to bail you out, and when you are safe again, back to the “peace while others sacrifice”.

right2bright on December 21, 2006 at 1:17 PM

Sorry bubby. You only get one grab at the old brass ring. You guys have been dicking around with this for over 3 years and you have made a bad situation worse. You don’t get to ask the questions anymore. But here’s a hint: there are no good answers. Have you listened at all to what our generals are saying? Of course not.

Bill Kristol, not Crystal.

honora on December 21, 2006 at 3:30 PM

So many plans. Or maybe not so much plans, as a lot more decoration for the latest catch phrases.As I wrote on another thread (unfortunately, it had already pretty much run its course) makes no difference how many more troops you send or don’t send. The bottom line is, as always, how far are you willing to go? If the answer is not as far as the other guy, then you might as well just lower the flag, and come on home, because you’ve lost. The answer has to be not only are you willing to go as far as the other guy , but one step further.

Now, that doesn’t mean be stupid or irresponsible about it, or go off slaughtering whole villages just for the fun of it. It does mean, however, especially against an enemy as ruthless as this one, taking the gloves off and using all of our enormous advantages to win.A lot less politically correct, and a lot more turning the troops loose.A lot more kicking ass, and a lot less kissing ass.

And that’s where ROE- the good old rules of engagement –plays a big part. Bohica 22,you make good points about the distinctions between rules of engagement and policy. Honora, you seemed to make an attempt to pick up on 22 ‘s comments and make — well, I don’t know what point you are trying to make.

Honora and Bohica22; don’t take this personally, but frankly I find your commentary that restrictive rules of engagement are a sad excuse to be well,sad.Because much of what I am seeing and hearing from Iraq and Afghanistan, point to much more of the same over insensitive insanity that has been plaguing our military efforts since before the end of World War II. Let’s take a little quiz, shall we?

Denying a request to fire upon over 100 Taliban leaders because they are in a cemetery is A)a sad excuse, or B) endangering the war effort and the lives of US servicemen in a stupid to the point of insanity way.

Not being permitted to fire on a mosque. Even though that mosque is being used by the enemy to fire on US troops, store ammo for the enemy, and to use as a sanctuary for the enemy,would be A) a sad excuse, or B) overly restricted to the point of insanity rule of engagement.

In my own personal experience,perhaps my most ridiculous encounter over restrictive rules of engagement was my first experience with them in Beirut in the days before the barracks bombing. Don’t fire unless fired upon first, returned fire, only with the same fire thats being directed at you, no magazines in your rifle while on patrol, and on and on.In corresponding and talking with Marines that I served with and who stayed in the Corps, and who have served in Iraq and Afghanistan,and many of the “new breed” that I have had the pleasure of meeting and corresponding with, over restrictive rules of engagement is right up there with pointless patrolling on the “shit that I hate most list.”

And whatever plan is decided on , it is doomed to failure, unless the plan is clear, with clear objectives, and rules of engagement that do not range from the imbecilic to the insane.And that will require violence and killing on a level that many people will be uncomfortable with.

Oh, and Honora? In reading a lot of your comments, you strike me as being highly intelligent. Do yourself a favor and don’t use people like Jon Stewart to make a point. Not only is it not a good way to make a point, it’s beneath you.

tomk59 on December 21, 2006 at 5:39 PM

honora on December 21, 2006 at 3:30 PM

You have answered my question, thank you. We have made a bad situation worse, meaning it was better under Saddam. Apparently you have ignored the gassing of his people, the graves of mass murder, the raping of women by his dastardly sons, the throwing of children into pits of dogs, to have their parents watch as they are ripped apart, the people around him scared by his torture, the mothers with dead husbands, and children stolen in the night. How sad that you think you have only one chance in life to get it right, and you choose that of an evil dictator. The generals can win this war, the polititions can lose it. And with your backing and others of your weak spirit, and lack of moral courage it is theirs to lose. The souls of a generation of people will be lost to evil dictators, facists, and socialists, and perhaps a free nation of Jews. You will stand proud to support tose destroyers of life, just like the others before you that haunt the halls of disaster and death. God have mercy on you.

right2bright on December 21, 2006 at 8:06 PM

You have answered my question, thank you. We have made a bad situation worse, meaning it was better under Saddam. Apparently you have ignored the gassing of his people, the graves of mass murder, the raping of women by his dastardly sons, the throwing of children into pits of dogs, to have their parents watch as they are ripped apart, the people around him scared by his torture, the mothers with dead husbands, and children stolen in the night. How sad that you think you have only one chance in life to get it right, and you choose that of an evil dictator. The generals can win this war, the polititions can lose it. And with your backing and others of your weak spirit, and lack of moral courage it is theirs to lose. The souls of a generation of people will be lost to evil dictators, facists, and socialists, and perhaps a free nation of Jews. You will stand proud to support tose destroyers of life, just like the others before you that haunt the halls of disaster and death. God have mercy on you.

right2bright on December 21, 2006 at 8:06 PM

You make such a simple error in logic.

First you assume I want immediate withdrawal, which I never said, but let’s go with that. You then counter that this would cause this other bad, bad stuff. Ok. What you say is possible. But you never address the alternative, which is what is going on now. The logical is comparison is the doom you predict with what we have now–which is not a prediction, but a reality that grows worse daily.

I find your statement that the generals can win this war odd–the generals contradict that statement, saying over and over that the war is not winnable (or losable) by the military but will require a three pronged approach.

By the way, as I recall, we did not invade Iraq to rid the people there of the horror of Saddam. You don’t get to change rationales with something as serious as war. We went there to rid Saddam of WMDs. We don’t find any and people like you are fine with glibbly changing the whole underpinning of the invasion: “Oh fiddle de de, I guess we’ll try this rationale….” Great.

honora on December 22, 2006 at 10:44 AM