Sure. But how exactly does that shield them from criticism?

jic on December 22, 2006 at 3:41 PM

Well reasonably intelligent people would look at these practices and be able to condemn the practice (which may be barbaric) but not the entire culture. I don’t object to criticizing aspects of another culture, it’s the wholesale condemnation that is so inane.

if our society could change for the better, can we not hold out hope that others can?

Sure. But how exactly does that shield them from criticism?

So a society that HAS changed positively in the last few decades is no better than a society that has NOT changed for the past thousand years?

That’s hugely unfair to the Turks. They have a lot of problems, but they are the only majority-Muslim country in the region that is anywhere close to being a modern, secular democracy. They have made huge changes to their society over the past century. Hell, they didn’t even have last names until the 1920s!

So a society that HAS changed positively in the last few decades is no better than a society that has NOT changed for the past thousand years? Interesting. I would think we’d want to take pride in recent progress rather than wallowing in the sins of the past.

Lehuster on December 22, 2006 at 10:45 AM

Or, if our society could change for the better, can we not hold out hope that others can? And again, my point is that 50 years is a neglible period of time in terms of the history of either our culture or theirs.

Nor does it matter that Saudi schoolgirls can’t get out of a burning building because they were improperly dressed.

F***ing savages.

My point is it’s all very well to throw stones at other cultures but this smug sort of self congratulations ignores recent history.

So a society that HAS changed positively in the last few decades is no better than a society that has NOT changed for the past thousand years? Interesting. I would think we’d want to take pride in recent progress rather than wallowing in the sins of the past.

honora, I know you’re smart. Make my day, just once, and write something, unconditionally, like this, without bashing anyone for anything:

- this is WRONG, both the doctor subject and FGM

or

- both, Rosie and the Donald are a bunch of phonies with big egos

Entelechy on December 21, 2006 at 5:01 PM

Howdy Entelechy: well honey I think I did bash both Donald and Rosie on another thread, both are big, vulgar, narcissistic boobs IMO.

Of course I think FGM is wrong; I don’t think the doctor is wrong necessarily. I think the system is wrong if it allows people to go untended due to their gender, which is different than saying it’s “wrong” for a female doctor not to tend a male patient.

Hope you have a great Christmas and a properous NY!!

See, Honora, you used the past tense. It WAS. Not IS. Of course that depends on what your definition of IS is. If the jihadis have their way their way, you won’t have to worry about IS or WAS, though. You’ll be too worried about WILL BE.

58, huh? Never woulda guessed it.

Barntender on December 21, 2006 at 5:28 PM

I think that looking at cultural practices we embraced only 50 years is relevant to this discussion. 50 years is very short time in terms of the longevity of these particular cultures/religions. My point is it’s all very well to throw stones at other cultures but this smug sort of self congratulations ignores recent history.

I will take your 58 comment as a compliment. (Hope springs eternal after all….;^)

What if he put a veil on his nuts? (OK, I couldn’t resist)

JetBoy on December 21, 2006 at 2:22 PM

Uncovered meat?

Also read your story on the “job” thread. You’re such a good guy. How’s the little 737 princess?

Here’s the problem. Libs have their eyes closed to the world, they know nothing about anything, except pop culture, where they excel to the highest levels. I have lots of lib friends and I know the following is not the exception to the rule, it IS the rule. Example:

I just had dinner with my Flight Crew and several other Crews (Pilots and Flight Attendants) at the hotel bar. The Pilots, all conservatives, the Flighties, all liberals (except me). The subject of war and terrorism came up and the libs could not add ANYTHING to the discussion besides “Why can’t we all just get along?” The cons all knew and understood the enemy and the history of islam. Most of them were ex-Military pilots and they get it. The libs had no clue about female genital mutilation, honor killings, jizya tax, dhimmitude, etc. How do you debate with these things with people who have ZERO knowledge of it and have no background to work from? I had to keep stopping to backtrack through history and explain what abrogation is, what the hadiths are, Meccan Islam vs Medina Islam, Shame Society vs Guilt Society, etc etc etc. One tried Honora’s trick: “Well, look at how we used to treat blacks in *this* country!” Ah yes, the old ‘equal moralities’ play. I said “Yeah, USED TO! But we’ve corrected those errors a long time ago. These koranimals are only getting WORSE with time. You guys think Bush is taking away your rights? What rights will you have if the islamofascists take over this country? None!”

Now, when the subject turned to Paris Hilton, then the libs became experts on all things Hollywood and pop culture and the cons were barely able to keep up.

Moral of the story: Let the adults handle the bad guys and let the children pick which movie to see.

A little bit off topic, sorry.

And lest we forget, it was in my lifetime that blacks were refused admission to many hospitals, period. This cultural smugness is a bit much.

honora on December 21, 2006 at 3:16 PM

I wasn’t alive then. Neither were most of the blacks kids I deal with. Of course, they were all alive when I attended a predominantly black school and got the hell kicked out of me … for being white.

“hey whitey. Hey trailer park white trash.”

You can take that self righteous crap and stuff it.

What do you call a dog with really short legs and iron balls?

Sparky!

I laughed my balls off!

Entelechy, you express the exact same thing I was thinking, this is just so f-ing barbaric it makes me sick!

See, Honora, you used the past tense. It WAS. Not IS. Of course that depends on what your definition of IS is. If the jihadis have their way their way, you won’t have to worry about IS or WAS, though. You’ll be too worried about WILL BE.

58, huh? Never woulda guessed it.

honora, I know you’re smart. Make my day, just once, and write something, unconditionally, like this, without bashing anyone for anything:

- this is WRONG, both the doctor subject and FGM

or

- both, Rosie and the Donald are a bunch of phonies with big egos

Pinky, there is nothing sicker. more barbaric or more evil than F.G.M. Any country that practises it should be bombed back to the Sto … wait, they’re already IN the Stone Age! But hey, all cultures are equal, right Libs? For those who think we should “talk” to the terrorists, I hope you don’t have any daughters ’cause this is what they’re gonna bring to America.

Well, I can be smug, since it wasn’t in my lifetime that black were refused admission to hospitals. Come to my town – they control just about everything- and have for – here it is – my lifetime.

After all, we can adapt and overcome, one of the tenants of Islam is not to learn, but to look backward at Muhammad and do what he would do.

So, Honora, whose head would Muhammad lop off?