Surprise: Americans lining up to do “jobs Americans won’t do”

posted at 7:54 pm on December 20, 2006 by Allahpundit

This was the fourth objective listed in the immigration speech remix, you may recall.

Jeb acknowledged today that the Bush name has left him with “no future” in politics. I wonder why.

The line of applicants hoping to fill jobs vacated by undocumented workers taken away by immigration agents at the Swift & Co. meat-processing plant earlier this week was out the door Thursday.

Greg Bonifacio heard about the job openings on television and brought his passport, his Colorado driver’s license, his Social Security card and even a color photograph of himself as a young Naval officer to prove his military service.

“I don’t want to hassle with any identification problems because of my last name,” said Bonifacio, a 59- year-old Thornton resident of Filipino heritage.

Exit question: should Santa be allowed to enter American airspace without a work visa?

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I always wondered why blacks, and Hispanics who are already here, were not revolting against the Democratic Party’s stance on immigration reform.

I think there are some jobs that Americans won’t do (I’m generalizing). Meatpacking isn’t one of them. Picking Nancy Pelosi’s grapes probably is.

RW Wacko on December 20, 2006 at 8:03 PM

Hispanics who are here LEGALLY I meant to say

RW Wacko on December 20, 2006 at 8:03 PM

Aw heck… Sned an email on it, and Allah’s already over it.

Shucks.

-Bryan @ Sanctuary

Prophet on December 20, 2006 at 8:14 PM

Jeb acknowledged today that the Bush name has left him with “no future” in politics.

Too bad. Jeb would’ve made a helluva President. On the other hand, come 2008, two families will have run America for a combined 20 years. I’m Bushed out.

Kid from Brooklyn on December 20, 2006 at 8:15 PM

Every time I hear the phrase “jobs Americans won’t do”, I automatically translate it to “jobs employers won’t hire Americans to do”.

I know that because I have experienced it firsthand.

Rusty Bill on December 20, 2006 at 8:25 PM

Or, “jobs that Americans cost too much to do.”

spmat on December 20, 2006 at 8:40 PM

If they busted one meat processing plant then I suspect they will be busting them all in the near future.

A lot of these plants had to go illegal in the first place just to compete with the other ones that went illegal before them.

It would be unfair for the gov to tell one business they need to hire legals while allowing that company’s competitors to keep their illegal advantage.

Perchant on December 20, 2006 at 8:41 PM

whats wrong with this picture?

Hernandez, who had gone to the employment office because her husband was there to apply for unemployment insurance, decided to apply for a job at Swift on a whim.

from the ‘I wonder why.‘ link above.

An Illegal still here? This family is all legal but want unemployment money instead of a job?
Why didn’t the Rocky Mtn News reporter follow this a little more? By Fernando Quintero, Rocky Mountain News /
He wont answer me or my emails.

shooter on December 20, 2006 at 8:43 PM

Exit question: should Santa be allowed to enter American airspace without a work visa?

I think he has dual citizinship so he should be ok. :p

SnakeintheGrass on December 20, 2006 at 8:56 PM

Or, “jobs earmarked for employees that can be abused, cheated, deceived, enslaved, ignored, “dissed” overall and that Americans cost too much to do.”

spmat on December 20, 2006 at 8:40 PM

There — fixed. Or am I starting sound too much like a labor leader/union boss?

CyberCipher on December 20, 2006 at 8:57 PM

Well, what do you know about that… Quick, someone shove this up McCain’s a$$…

Jaibones on December 20, 2006 at 8:57 PM

President Bush owes all Americans an apology for saying several times in his speeches that illegal aliens are only doing the jobs Americans won’t do. He can start with the people online at the meatpacking plant.

tomk59 on December 20, 2006 at 9:02 PM

should Santa be allowed to enter American airspace without a work visa?

Santa is non-profit. He gives his stuff away. Besides, the elves do all the work at the north pole and St. Nick’s role is that of a delivery boy — so I’m warning you Allah, leave Santa alone. I HAVE the boss’s e-mail address. One more crack about Santa and she just might hire one of us out here in the blogosphere to administrate HA, and then you’ll be the next guy applying at the meat packing plant. Got it? (Please don’t ban me.)

CyberCipher on December 20, 2006 at 9:14 PM

Every time I hear the phrase “jobs Americans won’t do”, I automatically translate it to “jobs employers won’t hire Americans to do”.

I know that because I have experienced it firsthand.

Rusty Bill on December 20, 2006 at 8:25 PM

You nailed it. Americans are among, if not THE hardest working people in the world in terms of hours worked per week.

I’m sick of being accused of being anti-immigrant. I friggin’ love immigrants. Come to America! Live the American Dream. Just come here LEGALLY!!!!

Yakko77 on December 20, 2006 at 9:21 PM

Santa also employs Children in violation of labor laws. Unless you buy that whole “no really, they’re elves” racket.

E5infantry on December 20, 2006 at 9:23 PM

..and speak ENGLISH!!!

Yakko77 on December 20, 2006 at 9:24 PM

Don’t tell anyone but Santa runs Elf Tossing Nights at the Christmas in July Bar and Grill, Thursday Nights in the Summer up in Alaska.

StuLongIsland on December 20, 2006 at 9:40 PM

Don’t tell anyone but Santa runs Elf Tossing Nights at the Christmas in July Bar and Grill, Thursday Nights in the Summer up in Alaska.

I’m still bruised.

shooter on December 20, 2006 at 9:45 PM

Every time I hear the phrase “jobs Americans won’t do”, I automatically translate it to “jobs employers won’t hire Americans to do”.

I know that because I have experienced it firsthand.

Rusty Bill on December 20, 2006 at 8:25 PM

As have I.

baldilocks on December 20, 2006 at 9:47 PM

“please don’t ban me”

haha that’s what I said to Bryan when the Eagles beat the cowgirls haha

Welcome back CyberCipher, glad your power is back on.

Tony737 on December 20, 2006 at 9:56 PM

Of course there is also this news following the Swift raids:
Swift Hired Illegal Immigrants To Depress Wages, Former Employees Allege In Lawsuit

elpresidente on December 20, 2006 at 10:19 PM

“Jobs Americans won’t do when their wages are slashed” by illegal immigrant competition.

elpresidente on December 20, 2006 at 10:20 PM

Good riddence Jeb. We can’t have another 8 years of your family’s government programs. With the way your brother expanded healthcare coverage, I bet you are going to work for Hillarycare…

Tim Burton on December 20, 2006 at 11:04 PM

For what it is worth, I live in a city that has a lot of illegal immigrants. Most of them that I see will wait on the street for work.

A couple of days ago I moved from one appartment to another. Most of my stuff I moved myself and with the help of my girlfriend. But I had three pieces of large furniture that I needed a pickup truck to move.

So I went to Craigs List and hired some guy with a truck for $70. He was a cool guy and during the commute, we started to talk. He mentioned that he had hired these illegals workers in the past to help him with some side construction contracting projects. I asked him what the rate was.

He said it started at $15 per hour.

Then, just today, I was down at a local auto mechanics shop / storage lot. I was talking to one of the workers there. He was a local man who was about 45 and was born and raised here. During the course of some friendly business negotiation, he mentioned he would have to talk to the boss about that for guidance, because he was just a hourly wage worker.

His wage? $10 per hour.

EFG on December 20, 2006 at 11:09 PM

Well, EFG, that is what I know about my area as well. Toss in a lunch (because the people hiring around here feel “really bad” about the illegal worker) and you got about 16/hour…
Nice work if you can get it with no skills other than a hard back.

Babs on December 20, 2006 at 11:48 PM

There — fixed. Or am I starting sound too much like a labor leader/union boss?

CyberCipher on December 20, 2006 at 8:57 PM Actually, yeah, you have the whole labor leader/union boss thing down pretty well. Just add a few threats of physical harm and maybe a cocktail party with someone named Carmine, and you’ve got it. Don’t forget the ’75 caddy.

spmat on December 21, 2006 at 1:24 AM

This just proves that BUSH IS A LYING PIECE OF ELEPHANT FECES!You people who support this a.sshole better be thinking about all James Bakers lucrative Arab contracts when he and his puppet Bush engage in these “talks” with Syria. Don’t say I didn’t warn you.

Soothsayer on December 21, 2006 at 3:09 AM

The Swift story solidified a theory that I have been percolating for some time now.

The practical effect of illegal immigration has been to keep wages down THROUGHTOUT all economic sectors, for all “non-professional” workers.

Swift, like agri-business, wants the lowest overhead that they can get away with. Why? To sell more product by being the best bargain. Personnel costs (wages and benefits) are the single most expensive part of doing business, more than insurance, taxes, utilities, real estate, and so on. When possible, American business automate if they can (the automakers and electronics companies), or they go off shore, or they hire from a workforce that is willing underbid everybody else, such as H1 visa holders for high-skilled or illegal aliens for unskilled or low-skilled labor.

This way, they make more profit for the stockholders — mostly pension funds or large investment firms these days — while better competing for additional market share.

Whatever the actual number of illegals in the US is, 12 million or 20 million, they are in direct competition with citizens for jobs. This incident ought to prove that conclusivly. Those willing to work “off the books” or “under the table” evade taxes that the rest of us (including their employer’s share of payroll taxes) pay AND their employers save money on benefits as well as salaries. The laws of supply and demand work and competition, therefore, to keep wages down.

If 5% of the workforce are illegal aliens (and that is at least the case, if not higher today, I believe), that drags down the wages of everybody else who have no choice but to compete with them in order to work at all. This progressively pulls down the wages of everybody who is not a professional or otherwise highly skilled or an entrepreneur.

There are two other forces at work here. Housing costs, despite the “real estate bubble bursting” are continuing to rise. Mortgages payments are immune to land value decreases(unless the price drops so far so fast that the bank forecloses in self-defense to prevent you from defaulting first). Real estate taxes (the rates are ALWAYS going up), do not drop unless the home sells at a price lower than the assessed valuation.

I’ve seen it in Chicago and out in the rural county that I live in now. When developers come in, they are NOT interested in building affordable housing, they are interested in making the biggest buck on each unit that they can. So, areas in Chicago that used to be lower middle class with modest homes and reasonable rents for older appartments get bulldozed and replaced by townhomes, condos, “lofts”, and larger homes that start at $500,000 to $1 million. Entire neighborhoods get replaced, their people displaced to find other affordable housing — only to find that the increased COMPETITION caused by a larger demand for a smaller supply for such, causes those rents and home values to climb too.

The Kelo decision is part of this. It will end up destroying affordable housing for everybody, including those of us in the middle, upper-middle, and ultimately the low end of the so-called “rich” (anybody making over $65,000/year) unless it is overturned. Kelo turns everybody’s home and property into a candy store for develpers.

With the pushing-up of housing values, and the educational unions’ incessent push for higher wages and benefits, which are matched or exceeded by increased salaries for administrators, come ever-higher property taxes at both the assesed level AND with higher tax rates as the schools plead poverty (as they always do) to win referrendums.

So, Joe-sixpack (-less because he had to give up buying beer ’cause the “sin taxes” went up, too) is fighting for a standard of living that is being undermined by illegal aliens driving wages down, while being bludgened by a double whammy of lack of affordable housing AND higher property (and other) taxes. The author of Pursuit of Happiness notes that he himself was homeless even though he had a job.

As I understand it, “affordable housing” is housing that which costs less than 29% of income. I know for a fact, until I paid off my mortgage, my housing costs (mortgage + taxes) was close to 50% of my income when my wife was in law school and not working. So, I know the pinch Joe feels.

That’s my analysis of what the Swift raid really signifies.

Here is my solution — (1) enforce the laws against businesses that hire illegal aliens to dry out the economic incentive to come here illegally. Start sending managers to prison and watch the practice stop. (2) Begin deporting illegal aliens in earnest and build what ever it takes to STOP illegals from crossing the border, (3) overturn Kelo, (4) place a cap on property taxes, specifically, and other taxes in general with an equivalent decrase in local government spending, (5) repeal “prevailing wage” federal guidelines that inflate public sector project costs, (6) remove the influence of lobbyists for “big ticket” items, such as the road building lobby which agitates to design sub-performing roads to insure their continued employment at every higher costs per mile.

And (7) DO NOT increase the minimum wage as the so-called calls for “living wages” is a pallative that looks good but solves nothing as long as there are illegal aliens willing to work and employers willing to hire them. Compared to the general work force, raising the minimum wage will positively effect very few people. But without draining the illegal alien work force, nothing will change except US citizens or legal residents will be fired and replace with illegals willing to work under the table for less than minimum wage — as they are doing right now.

georgej on December 21, 2006 at 5:02 AM

georgej, I like your solutions but you have to understand that Swift is owned by ConAgra, a $24 billion per year corporation that has it’s own PAC that lavishes tons of contributions around DC yearly. I’m sure the other mega agribusiness corporations do the same and as much as the majority of Americans want action to stop illegal immigration these deep pocket global corporations want cheap labor even more. Is it any wonder why little or nothing gets done, why our nations laws go unenforced so often?

Buzzy on December 21, 2006 at 8:54 AM

Those willing to work “off the books” or “under the table” evade taxes that the rest of us (including their employer’s share of payroll taxes) pay AND their employers save money on benefits as well as salaries.

It is my understanding that the Swift company hired illegals who had fake documentation. I don’t think the company knowingly hired illegals. If I’m wrong, feel free to tell me – I haven’t not been following this story much.

So georgej, your theory would hold up for, say, a small construction company – but not for Swift, in this case, if I’m right.

pullingmyhairout on December 21, 2006 at 9:25 AM

It is my understanding that the Swift company hired illegals who had fake documentation. I don’t think the company knowingly hired illegals.

Yes.

This doesn’t stop the Des Moines Register from referring to those charged in Marshalltown, Iowa as “raid victims” and (I choke on this) “Iowans.” Victims my fat white hiney–how about the American citizens being called in to the IRS to pay taxes on wages credited to the stolen social security numbers?

Radish on December 21, 2006 at 10:37 AM

My spider senses are tingling. … I think someone is about to get banned.

Can I roast marshmallows over their burning account?

:)

whats wrong with this picture?

Hernandez, who had gone to the employment office because her husband was there to apply for unemployment insurance, decided to apply for a job at Swift on a whim.

from the ‘I wonder why.‘ link above.

An Illegal still here? This family is all legal but want unemployment money instead of a job?
Why didn’t the Rocky Mtn News reporter follow this a little more? By Fernando Quintero, Rocky Mountain News /
He wont answer me or my emails.

shooter on December 20, 2006 at 8:43 PM

There’s a story waiting to happen.

One Angry Christian on December 21, 2006 at 11:02 AM

Exit question: should Santa be allowed to enter American airspace without a work visa?

NORAD already provides him fighter escort.

noradsanta.org

PirateParrot on December 21, 2006 at 11:32 AM

He said it started at $15 per hour.

Then, just today, I was down at a local auto mechanics shop / storage lot. I was talking to one of the workers there. He was a local man who was about 45 and was born and raised here. During the course of some friendly business negotiation, he mentioned he would have to talk to the boss about that for guidance, because he was just a hourly wage worker.

His wage? $10 per hour.

EFG on December 20, 2006 at 11:09 PM

If he was paying the illegal under the table, that $15 equates roughly to the $10 wage in terms of actual cost to the employer. You have to add in benefits, unemployment insurance, SS, local and state employer taxes.

Which begs the question,how the hell does anyone live on $10, or $15 for that matter, an hour?

honora on December 21, 2006 at 12:44 PM

It is my understanding that the Swift company hired illegals who had fake documentation. I don’t think the company knowingly hired illegals. If I’m wrong, feel free to tell me – I haven’t not been following this story much.

They knew. There was an expose on this by (God help us) Geraldo a couple of years ago. Swift is just one of the big meat packers who use illegals.

honora on December 21, 2006 at 12:47 PM

Swift knew the status of these workers. “Nudge-nudge, wink-wink.”

georgej on December 21, 2006 at 4:04 PM

So georgej…. will your name be on the ’08 ticket?? Please, pretty please…

NTWR on December 21, 2006 at 5:58 PM

Honora, it depends on *where* and *how* they live. It can be done, depending on the situation. I sold my business and got a J.O.B. at SWA as a baggage handler for SEVEN bucks an hour … at age 30! At first I struggled, I LITERALLY survived on those damned peanuts! But I worked hard, got some overtime, and after one year, I got promoted into Operations (a small raise), traded in my GMC Jimmy for a cheap little stick shift pickup truck, got a cheap little apartment and within a year I had a surplus and a couple years later (at sixteen bucks an hour) and I saved enough for a downpayment on a house. I moved up to Inflight, got married, bought a house and had a kid all in the same year. It can be done, people do it all the time. All of my coworkers are in the (approximate) same income range as me and they all live well. Not rich, not poor, but well. It can be done and IS done everyday in this country.

Tony737 on December 21, 2006 at 8:43 PM

Which begs the question,how the hell does anyone live on $10, or $15 for that matter, an hour?

honora on December 21, 2006 at 12:44 PM

In San Antonio, TX, I make out well enough on $7.50/hour. The rent’s paid, there’s food on the table, clean clothes on my back and gas in the car. I can even afford the occasional book or CD/DVD. I wouldn’t care to try to support a family on what I make, but I get by.

Rusty Bill on December 21, 2006 at 10:18 PM

“So georgej…. will your name be on the ‘08 ticket?? Please, pretty please…”

Sorry, NTWR. That’s not my style.

georgej on December 22, 2006 at 3:27 AM

Suggested reading for both HotHeads (Cons) and AirHeads (Libs): “The Millionaire Nextdoor”.

This books explains how:

The average “poor” family in America OWNS a 2 bed, 2 bath, 1 car garage house, has 2 foreign cars, 2 TVs, 2 VCRs (VCRs when the book was written, DVDs now) and cable (or sat dish now).

The average “rich” family owns a 3/2/2 house, 2 domestic cars, 1 TV, 1 VCR (DVD) and cable (sat dish).

The millionaire next door lives in YOUR neighborhood, you know him, he may even be YOU.

80 percent of millionaires in the U.S. are FIRST GENERATION, SELF-MADE millionaires. They did not inherit their money.

A lot of the people who live in mansions are broke. They live beyond their means and work like animals to keep up. That’s why most millionaires live nextdoor to YOU.

Tony737 on December 22, 2006 at 4:55 AM

Honora, it depends on *where* and *how* they live. It can be done, depending on the situation. I sold my business and got a J.O.B. at SWA as a baggage handler for SEVEN bucks an hour … at age 30! At first I struggled, I LITERALLY survived on those damned peanuts! But I worked hard, got some overtime, and after one year, I got promoted into Operations (a small raise), traded in my GMC Jimmy for a cheap little stick shift pickup truck, got a cheap little apartment and within a year I had a surplus and a couple years later (at sixteen bucks an hour) and I saved enough for a downpayment on a house. I moved up to Inflight, got married, bought a house and had a kid all in the same year. It can be done, people do it all the time. All of my coworkers are in the (approximate) same income range as me and they all live well. Not rich, not poor, but well. It can be done and IS done everyday in this country.

Tony737 on December 21, 2006 at 8:43 PM

Good for you. Nothing like education and hard work. I worked as a waitress part time thru school. My parents covered college but I was on my own for spending money and grad school. To this day I overtip waitresses and waiters, remember what hard work that was. Good for the soul though.

honora on December 22, 2006 at 10:59 AM