Schlussel: Is Obama a Muslim manchurian candidate?
posted at 5:05 pm on December 19, 2006 by Allahpundit
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Let me choose my words carefully here.
I like Debbie. She does good work. But I am, shall we say, skeptical in the extreme of both the reasoning and conclusion of this particular post.
A (very) few of you have raised the same points in the comments here before, though, so there’s the link for your enjoyment on a slow news afternoon.
Update: Excellent response here from Greg Tinti, whose skepticism is as extreme as mine.
Update: Baldilocks issues a warning to the right.
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Hey, wait a minute. I thought fear mongering was OUR job, Allah. Besides, if we’re afraid of this guy, how are we going muster the courage to make fun of his auditory appendages?
CyberCipher on December 19, 2006 at 5:12 PM
What, with a middle name like Hussein?
Nahhh, he wouldn’t be that, would he????? :-^)
Dave R. on December 19, 2006 at 5:14 PM
Where’s Frank Sinatra when you need him?
JammieWearingFool on December 19, 2006 at 5:16 PM
Reds under the bed.
flipflop on December 19, 2006 at 5:20 PM
Hmm, I’m skeptical. I do have a question though. Let’s say that Obama is elected President. While in office he converts to Islam. What would your reaction be?
amerpundit on December 19, 2006 at 5:25 PM
I’d leave the country…just like Alec Baldwin did. What? He didn’t move??
flipflop on December 19, 2006 at 5:29 PM
Shadows of Kennedy-era paranoia here. “A Papist can’t be President!”
Of course, if we nominate Rudy, at least the insanity will run both ways.
Il Padrino on December 19, 2006 at 5:29 PM
What would US foreign relations be like if Obama were President or even VP, considering the Muslim world would view him as an apostate that should be killed? And how would he be able to manage things in the Middle East given this issue?
I think an Obama Presidency (or even him as VP) would create foreign relations issues that we’ve never had before and we certainly don’t need now.
IndependentConserv on December 19, 2006 at 5:29 PM
I am more worried about him being a democrat actually.
bbz123 on December 19, 2006 at 5:30 PM
I say CAREFUL. Imagine if the word “Muslim” in Ms. Schlussel’s post were replaced with “Jew” or “Catholic”. Do we want to be seen as requiring a religious litmus test for the presidency?
mikeyboss on December 19, 2006 at 5:32 PM
I agree bbz123 and I have a post up today that addresses all of those concerns about just how Liberal he really is.
IndependentConserv on December 19, 2006 at 5:32 PM
I have to be honest, I could never vote for a muslim to hold any office.
EF on December 19, 2006 at 5:34 PM
My litmus test is that any candidate not be a member of any group that wants to destroy America and behead me. I’m funny that way.
EF on December 19, 2006 at 5:35 PM
Sorry Allah, I went to Debbie’s site and found it understated if anything. We know virtually nothing about him except that there is a Muslim in the woodpile and a cloud of crazies around him. Until he’s been under the microscope we should err on the side of caution. It’s a pity that we won’t.
dostrick on December 19, 2006 at 5:36 PM
1. Obama is a classic politician. He will conform to whatever mold he thinks will garner him the most votes and the most power.
2. We are already treating Muslims as a special protected class of people, so I can’t see it becoming much worse by having a President who converts.
3. If Obama is elected, by some miraculous chance, having him convert to Islam will be the least of our problems.
Lawrence on December 19, 2006 at 5:37 PM
I’d agree with that, EF, but I don’t think all Muslims belong to that group. I worked next to a Muslim with a scalpel for years. He could have beheaded me if he wanted.
mikeyboss on December 19, 2006 at 5:38 PM
I read that earlier today and found it plausible. Possible. Maybe..maybe not. But a couple of years in a madrassa is good enough for me to say “No thanks, I dont want to take that chance. Not into burkhas.”
labwrs on December 19, 2006 at 5:41 PM
I’d like to discuss this with Obama over a nice ham dinner. He’ll probably be said to have a terrible “pork allergy”.
Perchant on December 19, 2006 at 5:44 PM
This conspiracy crap on the right side of the blogosphere is getting out of hand.
A muslim in the woodpile? That’s a new twist on an old favorite.
billy on December 19, 2006 at 5:45 PM
Amen to that.
Allahpundit on December 19, 2006 at 5:45 PM
Amen to that.
SouthernGent on December 19, 2006 at 5:49 PM
I don’t consider him a muslim Manchurian Candidate. However, based on his background, I wonder how sympathetic he would be to Israel? I strongly believe our continued and strong support of Israel is essential. Obama is a leftard, has strong muslim associations, even though a Christian, and is black. This does not make him naturally sympathetic to Israel. Can he convince me otherwise? I dunno. Has he even tried?
EF on December 19, 2006 at 5:49 PM
I’m more concerned right now that he’s on the far Left and is trying to pass as a centrist. That’s the first issue that has to be addressed. The general public has to be informed of this. The myth has to be de-bunked. Afterward, the religious problem.
A moderate Muslim politician who is firmly om the side of America would be of little concern to me. A far Leftist who inherently hates America, OTOH, is some one who needs to be watched carefully. Obama is suspicious because he isn’t talking staight. He’s an articulate dissembler.
To what end, no one knows.
ahem on December 19, 2006 at 5:50 PM
Lawrence,you might want to add this to the “he’s a politician” list.
4. Once elected he will never do any of the things he platformed on in order to get elected.In fact he may do the opposite.
bbz123 on December 19, 2006 at 5:50 PM
Queen of Diamonds ….
Kristopher on December 19, 2006 at 5:51 PM
His being hopelessly unqualified to lead the country during these times also gives me pause.
thirteen28 on December 19, 2006 at 5:58 PM
Here is an issue I have.The Left has inundated us for years with wacky conspiracy theories,and I look at those as pure projection.It also dilutes the pool when a real conspiracy could be afoot.
I think of him more as a Trojan Horse, politicians lie and say whatever is needed to get elected.If there is a trace of Muslim “lie to the infidels” added to that mix then he cannot be trusted at all. Are we going to trust the MSM to get any possible dirt on this guy or will they champion him?
bbz123 on December 19, 2006 at 5:58 PM
Is there a difference ?
Wade on December 19, 2006 at 6:00 PM
She had a point at first but her logic broke down.
Obama would be seen as a muslim by other muslims, he was born as one according to the Koran.
However, he would be seen as an APOSTATE and according to Islamic law he would face the death penalty.
Therefore, I think any islamic argument regarding Obama would be that he would make it HARDER for the US to have relations with muslim countries, even moreso than if we had Lieberman in charge, at the very time that the left professes that it wants to go on a charm offensive for better relations!
So the REAL issue here is that his background will make it impossible to carry out his party’s foreign policy platform.
kaltes on December 19, 2006 at 6:02 PM
Im suprised that I am the first person to be making this observation… ‘cmon guys it is so obvious! Obama would be HATED by muslims, not embraced! Is he supposed to be loyal to them when we know even in Afghanistan they were trying to kill that one guy for converting to Christianity and they rioted and stuff when western countries stepped in to save that guy?
kaltes on December 19, 2006 at 6:05 PM
democrat = Liberal = anti-American = terrorist.
x95b10 on December 19, 2006 at 6:11 PM
I don’t care what his father was. You shall know a tree by its fruit. His voting record is one of the most liberal in Senate history which puts him in cahoots with the left wing/terrorist/Rick Warren alliance. Debbie is right for the vigilance. If she starts writing about the North American Union, she will forever win my heart.
Valiant on December 19, 2006 at 6:18 PM
I can kind of understand why she would say that if all of the evidence she puts up there is true, but on the other hand
where’s the proof in the most obvious place? Ya know, his ACTIONS? Militant muslims are NOT Liberal.
One Angry Christian on December 19, 2006 at 6:32 PM
All he would have to do about the alleged Christian conversion is say” Hey, I was kidding and the infidels fell for it! Aloha Snackbar bros!”
There is much precedent for such maneuvering.
bbz123 on December 19, 2006 at 6:41 PM
Militant muslims don’t get lap dances at the Pink Pony Strip Club . . . oops!
Anyway, Liberals are militant muslim dhimmmis.
EF on December 19, 2006 at 6:42 PM
We only lost one election. Let’s not turn into DU just yet.
frankj on December 19, 2006 at 6:51 PM
Well said.
flipflop on December 19, 2006 at 7:00 PM
For the most part, islam is incompatible with western values. I, personally, don’t want a “muslim” as a senator, congressman or anything that puts them in a position of representing ME and the values the United States was built on. If that’s too “bigoted” for some people, tough.
As for Obama, isn’t it better to bring these kinds of questions up and have them answered? What’s the big deal? We live in an age where radical muslims proclaim their mission is to take over the world and convert us or kill us with the remaining muslims tacitly approving it. Jeeez, isn’t it prudent to ask?
darwin on December 19, 2006 at 7:10 PM
Reciprocally, DU won the election. The Democrats played dirty every step of the way, dirtier than ever before. They demonize Republicans and cast suspicions on everything they do. It’s a winning strategy.
Perchant on December 19, 2006 at 7:19 PM
For the same reasons we require candidates for President and Vice-President be born in the United States – we must do everything to ensure absolute loyalty to this country and its principles.
EF on December 19, 2006 at 7:42 PM
Isn’t Barack Obama’s middle name Hussein? I just heard that on the radio, I think.
spmat on December 19, 2006 at 8:13 PM
Let’s not forget, the last president labeled a Rock Star by the MSM did very little to combat terrorism, and played into the hands of the islamic jihadists with his paper tiger hollow threats. Here in America that president was well liked, new and refreshing, a dynamic orator and couldn’t give a campaign speech without using the word hope 50 or 60 times.
We don’t need another president who’s judgement on matters of national security is based upon his likeability in the latest poll.
Barack’s middle name doesn’t bother me, his lack of experience and Clintonesque touchy-feely transparent charm scares the crap out of me.
fogw on December 19, 2006 at 8:14 PM
I really liked someome’s idea that the candidates should be essentially invisible,that the voters should get to read or hear his points,but not see this swarmy Hollywood presentation andall.
bbz123 on December 19, 2006 at 8:29 PM
x95b10
My litmus test is that any candidate not be a member of any group that wants to destroy America and behead me. I’m funny that way.
crr6 on December 19, 2006 at 8:33 PM
Boy, I can’t tell you how grateful I am that Schlussel and people who support her … incisive … view are well on their way to giving Obama supporters carte blanche to dismiss anyone who criticizes his policies and inexperience as masking their true agenda of Islamophobia.
Well done, Debbie. Well done.
Il Padrino on December 19, 2006 at 8:46 PM
Muslims use the koran as their guide to their belief system. Granted some use it more liberal than others. I’m not very happy with the silence that I see coming from the muslims that supposedly are into the peace side of the muslim religion or so they call it. I also see some of the more quiet less radical ones condoning the actions even though they personally did not carry out missions and say they wouldn’t. To say that guy you worked with will never follow the commands from his koran just because he never touched you means nothing to me. He could later or he could not. I wouldn’t want to take the chance and have my child be around him.
I think it is misleading for the media and others to refer to these extremists as a group or say that it’s a small percentage of muslims who back this way of religious death cult law they have embraced for oh..4000 years. There are entire nations under this cult. ENTIRE nations! Hardly what I’d refer to as a group of people or a small segment of muslims that are radical.
Since their koran commands them to kill us, I am not taking any chances that one day one will decide to listen so he can have his virgins or that the women are so humiliated and depressed with how they are treated that they figure they might as well strap a bomb on and try to run away from it all. With Obama, his heritage and ties SHOULD be questioned to the fullest extent. He IS a public figure and votes on a state’s behalf. I don’t know much about him at all except he’s too liberal for my blood and that in and of itself is why I’d never vote for him. There is nothing wrong with having him address his muslim families background as we are in a war with the deathcult that believes ultimately in our destruction.
Highrise on December 19, 2006 at 8:53 PM
You been asleep for a week? You’re not usually so far behind.
Anyway, if Obama is a Christian, bless him. Just don’t vote for him.
His actions and habits, and voting, will prove where his heart is over the next two years.
(But still, dont vote for him.)
shooter on December 19, 2006 at 8:57 PM
Highrise –
Your assessment of Islam is called into question when you claim its adherents have clung to the death cult ideology for 2400 years longer than the religion has existed.
What the F* kind of insanity is creeping up on you people? I usually come to Hot Air for common sense.
Il Padrino on December 19, 2006 at 8:58 PM
Er, 2600 years. Maybe the madness is catching.
Il Padrino on December 19, 2006 at 9:01 PM
soo because Christians have bombed abortion clinics none of them should be allowed to be president? To HA’s credit that kind of backward thought seems to be in the minority. Hopefully this minority will also realize the idiocy of asessing Obama based on his middle name and/or skin color.
soo, you equate a few who call themselves Christians (and for the record, Eric Rudolph doesn’t even claim to be a Christian) to millions of islamo-fascists? I call that backward thought.
EF on December 19, 2006 at 9:20 PM
Padrino,
We can sit here and go back and forth on the nitty gritty details on which muslims believe it started with their prophet and which ones believe it has always been in existance. Even one year that this deathcult is followed is too long.
You are merely shooting from the hip if that is all you got to pick on from my post :P . Thanks for validating the rest of my points.
Highrise on December 19, 2006 at 9:37 PM
Talk about paranoia running wild.
Nonfactor on December 19, 2006 at 9:49 PM
I agree also. To me, a potential president–one who could very likely win–who has been educated in a madrassa in Indonesia is pretty scary.
januarius on December 19, 2006 at 10:02 PM
There is nothing paranoid about being cautious around a cult that wishes to kill me as a Christian. Especially since it seems the good ole MSM wants to sell us that to be muslim means peace and it’s only a select few like this. You only get one chance to live life..once you are dead people can say OOPS (isn’t that what many are saying now in retrospect of the 9/11 families?) but that doesn’t help my family any in the aftermath. While accidents do happen and I could die any day from a non muslim whacknut, I do know that the cult wishes us dead, therefore, my survival instinct is to not want them around me.
So yes, We should be asking questions, many questions.
Highrise on December 19, 2006 at 10:09 PM
Question:
Has anyone (of course this question will never be asked in the MSM) done any research into the madrassa that Obama Hussein attended in Indonesia for two years?
What is its curriculum? What type of students go there? Is the school still around?
Another question:
What is the religion of Obama Hussein’s Indonesian stepfather? Does he practice it? Is his mother who claims to distrust organized religion (like many Muslims) consider herself to be a Muslim? After all, she married two of them (if the Indonesian stepfather is indeed Muslim, as he most likely is).
These questions need to be asked, instead of going into politically correct dhimmitude when questions involve Islam.
januarius on December 19, 2006 at 10:21 PM
Highrise –
If you think I’ve validated the outrageous paranoia being evinced here, think again. You want to question Islam, go ahead. It’s something that is deserving a much more serious examination than anyone in the MSM is giving it. In my view, it’s the question of our time — is what we are seeing the belief system of Islam itself, or is it a perversion of Islam? It’s a horrifically difficult question, and one no one really wants to ask because of the implications either answer opens.
But you can’t open that debate without being informed on basic facts, or you’re written off as an ignorant bigot post haste. And if we’re going to condemn Obama *because of his middle name and his father’s religion* and if we’re going to start throwing out downright dangerous phrases like “once a Muslim always a Muslim” then we *deserve* to be written off. Such behavior gives off a whiff of nuttiness Kos would be proud of.
Il Padrino on December 19, 2006 at 10:23 PM
Well there’s your problem right there. You’re paranoid in thinking that all Muslims want to kill you.
Especially since it seems the good ole MSM wants to sell us that to be muslim means peace and it’s only a select few like this.
Another problem. You believe that a majority of Muslims are militant extremists.
Deep. But now you’ve gone and insulted millions of Buddhists and now they’ll want to kill you as well.
And perhaps one of your biggest problems in this discussion is that you think Obama is inherently Muslim because one of his parents was.
The people who aren’t going to vote for Obama because of his name weren’t going to vote for him in the first place.
Nonfactor on December 19, 2006 at 10:32 PM
Your post makes no sense. The Muslim religion is violent; Buddhism is not. How many people have been slaughtered in the name of Buddhism?
Non-factor gullibly believes that Islam is a peaceful religion–hijacked by a militant few.
januarius on December 19, 2006 at 10:38 PM
Well said, sir.
Allahpundit on December 19, 2006 at 10:40 PM
I am more worried about him being worried about his big ears, actually…
Fully agree with fogw on December 19, 2006 at 8:14 PM
Kaltes, see IndependentConserv on December 19, 2006 at 5:29 PM
Entelechy on December 19, 2006 at 10:45 PM
It is not “nutty” to question whether we want to have a president who attended a madrassa in Indonesia for two years and whether he considers himself to be a Muslim or a Christian. It would be “nutty” not to.
Debbie’s reasoning makes perfect sense. Obama may not consider himself to be a Muslim, but the Islamic world certainly will. Go read the commentary in the LA Times that MM posted criticizing Pope Benedict and how his gesture would be interpreted in the Islamic world. The last two paragraphs state clearly why having a president that the Islamic world considered to be Muslim would be dangerous.
januarius on December 19, 2006 at 10:50 PM
I don’t care.
He’s to the left of Kos (and therefore to the left of Pol Pot), and that’s all I need to know.
He could be a born-again head of the largest evangelical church in these United States and I STILL wouldn’t vote for him.
Misha I on December 19, 2006 at 10:51 PM
Januarius –
Just so we’re clear, you’re in favor of establishing a de facto religious test for the office of the Presidency. And since we’re talking about a man who self-identifies as a Christian, whose deepest connection to Islam is that he was fathered by a Muslim, your religious test hinges on…hmm…shall we call it “a single drop of blood.” Yes? No? Maybe?
Il Padrino on December 19, 2006 at 10:59 PM
billy on December 19, 2006 at 11:06 PM
It was a joke, perhaps not obvious enough.
Nonfactor on December 19, 2006 at 11:14 PM
Il Padrino-
I’m against Obama because he is a liberal. But if we have a liberal appeaser and he is also considered to be a Muslim by the Islamic world, it would be an extremely dangerous combination, especially for Israel.
Also, it is worrying that he attended a madrassa in Indonesia for two years. That is a lot deeper connection than solely being fathered by a Muslim. His mother also appears to have a close relationship with Islam, if not being Muslim herself. What is the chance that she would marry another Muslim after Obama’s father?
januarius on December 19, 2006 at 11:16 PM
Januarius –
I don’t disagree with you. Personally I’m opposed to Obama because of the fawning, totally pliant coverage he’s gotten from the press which coincidentally overlooks his beyond-Teddy-Kennedy liberal voting record. And yes, a Muslim head of state would be regarded as an enormous coup in the Middle East.
But where is the genuine evidence of *any* of this in Obama’s record now? And even if there were, are we to assume that because he is a Muslim or has Muslim ties then he perforce subscribes to radical Muslim views? If he attended a madrassa for 2 years, is that relevant if absolutely none of those madrassa teachings have seeped into his stances, votes, or policy decisions?
We are skating dangerously close toward judging someone based on religious affiliation rather than any hard evidence or direct behavior. Show me him giving a speech praising CAIR’s good works — or better yet decrying the defunding of terrorist linked charities — and you might have something. Hell, show me a Keith Ellison-level attachment to the Black Panthers.
But at the moment you seem to be — and Schlussel certainly is — drawing the worst conclusions (or at least pressing for an inquisition the likes of which would discredit those who perpetrated it for years to come, quite apart from the inherent wrongness of it) from the flimsiest of evidence. And that’s something we ought to reject in the strongest terms possible.
Il Padrino on December 19, 2006 at 11:24 PM
A few points:
First, just so I’m sure that we’re all making sense here:
The law saying that a member of a particular faith cannot run for office = religious test.
The voters saying that they’ll never vote for a member of a particular faith = NOT a religious test.
The former is un-Constitutional, the latter is called “freedom to vote for whom you want for whatever reason you want.”
Second, but I repeat myself: Whether Obama is a Muslim, a Zoroastrian or Saint Francis of Assissi himself is completely irrelevant. He’s a frothing socialist. The end.
Third, Il Padrino is exactly right in pointing out that the only thing likely to come of this nonsense is that every criticism of Obama-yo-Mama, legitimate or otherwise, will henceforth be dismissed as “Islamophobia.” Great. Add that one to the Absolute Moral Authority Get-Out-Of-Jail Free Cards.
Fourth, if he calls himself a Christian, either through conversion or birth, and if there is no substantial evidence that he’s speaking out of both sides of his mouth, then he IS a Christian.
It’s tiresome enough to have to listen to the Kostards blathering about some blacks being more black than others, and I’ll be triple damned if I want to hear that blinkered, frothing nonsense about Christians as well, particularly coming from MY side.
Is it possible that somebody might lie about their faith for convenience? Hell yes, it happens all the time, but can I at least have a bit of actual, I don’t know, EVIDENCE before some of you people start preparing the stake and gathering the kindling?
But hey, I was a bleeding heart socialist when I was a kid, so I guess that means that Misha is really a crypto-communist.
That’s a fun hypothesis.
As long as you don’t say it to my face.
Misha I on December 19, 2006 at 11:29 PM
Sorry, I missed it at first. It’s obvious now.
januarius on December 19, 2006 at 11:32 PM
Il Padrino- That’s the problem; we don’t know. To me, the fact that he attended a madrassa and that his mother and stepfather would send him to one is very telling. Most children take their parents’ political and religious views, so we need to question his heritage. It certainly isn’t the typical African-American one, and yet he is running as one.
januarius on December 19, 2006 at 11:41 PM
The left wing/terrorist/Jeff Warren alliance?
Really?
Really?
Really?
billy on December 19, 2006 at 11:41 PM
Heh. Good one…
Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding! We have a winner!
I won’t go into the fever swamps, but I can’t believe it’s much worse than some of the shit I read on Debbie’s site, including her predictably weird rant (sorry if I lack Allah’s unwarranted graciousness, but she’s got more fringe hanging on her than Annie Oakley).
Jaibones on December 19, 2006 at 11:49 PM
Misha —
This is why I called it a “de facto” test. Otherwise, unsurprisingly, I agree with every single point you made.
Il Padrino on December 19, 2006 at 11:49 PM
- Some of you need to check your footing, cause you’re standing right on the edge. You will not turn
- This dink Obama is a goofier leftist than just about anyone you have ever seen in a Presidential election, unless you count Jimmy Carter or Dennis the Menace (I don’t). You don’t need to go all 1930 on him with the “Hussein” bit; you just need to look at his Illinois voting record. This isn’t brain surgery.
- On the other hand, AP and Shelley could probably put together a 5 hour video of 5 second clips showing network news nitwits saying “William Jefferson Clinton”, so I’m not sure the middle name is breaking new ground.
- Rick Warren is an idiot (just for fun).
Jaibones on December 19, 2006 at 11:56 PM
… HotAir into DU. (Jaibones to tech, Jaibones to tech, do you read me tech?)
Jaibones on December 19, 2006 at 11:58 PM
Januarius –
I agree completely that the blank slate of much of his past — apart from the “inspiring” parts — is deeply troubling, but I also see it more as a whitewash of his politics than I do as a bid for being a stealth jihadi. Or even just a stealth Muslim.
“We must question his heritage” — no, I’m sorry, I can’t agree with that at all. Otherwise you find yourself snooping through everyone whose parents or relatives hold odious views. Ask yourself if *you’d* stand up to that kind of scrutiny. God knows I wouldn’t.
Il Padrino on December 19, 2006 at 11:59 PM
Another thought to chew on.
If we’re to start grilling people seeking high public office for Muslim connections, how long do you think it’ll take for some lefty (or righty, really) anti-Israel loon to start insisting we question Jewish politicians and deny them office because they must support Israel (even if they claim not to, if their parents supported it, why, they must too).
Please take a long hard look at the implications of these “investigations.”
Il Padrino on December 20, 2006 at 12:13 AM
Padrino,
You do a real good job of twisting things that were never said, especially by myself. Not even going to bother correcting you. The people who see it don’t need me to break it down for them and breaking it down for you would only be a waste of my time.
Have a good one.
Highrise on December 20, 2006 at 12:32 AM
Highrise –
You got an essential fact about the history of Islam horrifically wrong, stating it’s twice as old as Christianity. I pointed this out, and further — helpfully, I thought — pointed out no one will take criticism of *anything* seriously if you can’t get simple facts straight. I further posited an opinion on what Schlussel was proposing and you were defending. Sorry I’m not one of the “people who see it.”
By all means, don’t waste your time.
Il Padrino on December 20, 2006 at 12:38 AM
Allah –
I’d like to humbly suggest you make the link to Baldilocks a front-page trackback instead of one in a post that’s now halfway down. It’s powerful stuff, and an essential counterargument to some of the things being said here.
Also, I’d just like to add that having Allah praise one of my posts felt a little bit like getting a body part signed by Mick Jagger.
Il Padrino on December 20, 2006 at 12:48 AM
You think by calling people Kos/DU and a number of other not so vague insults people are all of a sudden going to kiss your proverbial ass? Guess again!
EF on December 20, 2006 at 12:52 AM
Thank you, Padrino. I am straight-up PO’d.
baldilocks on December 20, 2006 at 12:53 AM
Sorry, baldilocks, but I wouldn’t vote for you for president, either, based on the fact that you and your family at one time belonged to what I and many consider an extemist cult. Do I believe that you and your family are good Christians, now? Of course. But people should be cautious as to who they put in the Whitehouse and have every right to consider a potential candidates background. There is no God given right to be President.
EF on December 20, 2006 at 1:11 AM
Allah – might be a good time to tighten the screws on the silliness filter.
No offense to the well-intentioned folk here who disagree, but a bit of rational thought, followed by not howling about a current non-issue, seems to be in order.
Obama’s an interesting cat, but not obviously qualified to make it past his own party’s nominating process, let alone win a general election. In any event, there are many reasons to disagree with him, and doing so on a basis both outside his control and well in his past seems petty and lazy.
Patton on December 20, 2006 at 1:19 AM
Did you know he smoked marijuana too? How are we sure he won’t be sympathetic to the people crossing the border with tons of marijuana?
Think of the children!
Nonfactor on December 20, 2006 at 1:33 AM
Sorry, baldilocks, but I wouldn’t vote for you for president, either, based on the fact that you and your family at one time belonged to what I and many consider an extemist cult.
No worries. I won’t be running for dog-catcher, much less president. I have too many other skeletons that have nothing to do with Islam. I’d rather admit to my parents’ faulty judgment than to my own. (As it happens, both are honest enough to do the same about the subject. My mom has done so on my blog and Dad has said the same, though he’s not a computer person. It’s nice to be able to have respect for the parental units.)
However, I’d say that those on the Right who claim to believe in redemption, but would act as you say you would should stop with the hypocrite line. If you aren’t one of those then I’m not including you.
baldilocks on December 20, 2006 at 1:45 AM
The above is for EF.
baldilocks on December 20, 2006 at 1:46 AM
It is not his middle name, or even his religion that concerns me. IT IS HIS POLITICS. He’s far left. His voting record in Illinois shows that.
That’s all I need to know about him.
BUT, given how America’s leftwing, 5th Column, media adores him, swoons over him, and kisses his ring (when they aren’t kissing his arse), that cinches it — I have zero intention of voting for him under any circumstance.
My daughters, who had an opportunity to hear him live when he visited the College where one works and the other is a student, were enamored by his charisma.
“Charisma” is all he’s got. Shades of Bill Clinton.
georgej on December 20, 2006 at 1:58 AM
baldilocks,
Here’s to skeletons AND redemption. I’ve got the former and seek the latter :)
mikeyboss on December 20, 2006 at 2:40 AM
I believe in redemption. However, redemption does not give people a pass from being judged by their past life choices and history. That you would even imply that it does for a position as important as President of the United States is silly.
Oh, brother! Talk about hypocrite!
EF on December 20, 2006 at 2:40 AM
What does this have to do with Obama?
Nonfactor on December 20, 2006 at 3:11 AM
I studied algebra. Am I a terrorist too? Algebra = al-jabr = al-Qaeda, right?
Plus, I explicitly told my teacher that I wasn’t interested in landing the equations.
39.173/x = 4.3
Solve for x.
Mark Jaquith on December 20, 2006 at 3:25 AM
padrino,
let there be no doubt, I will waste little time on you. You have some issues to work out..once you work them out…then we’ll talk :P
Highrise on December 20, 2006 at 4:14 AM
It might be interesting to learn what Fritz Kohn’s grandson thinks about Barry’s Muslim background.
And I imagine William Jefferson Blythe will have an interesting take.
Frankly, I’m waiting for Garry Hartpence to weigh in.
there it is on December 20, 2006 at 8:34 AM
Ask Baldilocks.
EF on December 20, 2006 at 8:46 AM
The two schools of thought here seem to be:
1) You’re a lunatic and a fringe dweller if you feel Obamas background should be at vetted.
2) Because of the past and present actions and inactions of muslims worldwide, Obamas background should be vetted.
If islam was really the “religion of peace”, we wouldn’t be discussing this topic, that’s the bottom line.
darwin on December 20, 2006 at 8:53 AM
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