Marines in space!
posted at 4:24 pm on December 18, 2006 by Allahpundit
“What do you want to be when you grow up, Billy? A soldier or an astronaut?”
“Both, dad. Both.”
If this isn’t a video game yet, it will be.
If a group of Marine Corps visionaries have their way, … 30 years from now, Marines could touch down anywhere on the globe in less than two hours, without needing to negotiate passage through foreign airspace. The breathtaking efficiency of such a delivery system could change forever the way the U.S. does battle.
The proposal, part of the Corps’s push toward greater speed and flexibility, is called Small Unit Space Transport and Insertion, or Sustain. Using a suborbital transport—that is, a vehicle that flies into space to achieve high travel speeds but doesn’t actually enter orbit—the Corps will be able, in effect, to instantaneously deliver Marine squads anywhere on Earth.
They’re modeling the lander on SpaceShipOne.
It’s not clear how the Marines would get out once the mission was complete or how this’ll work when, not if, countries raise their airspace another 50 to 100 miles or how expensive it’s going to be, or or or…
But never mind all that. Look at the illustrations. It’s Halo 2!










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An express elevator to hell…going DOWN!
Slublog on December 18, 2006 at 4:30 PM
Dude. DUUUUDE
OOORAH!
KelliD on December 18, 2006 at 4:35 PM
From the Halls of Montezuma, to the shores of Mars.
Semper Fidelis.
Kid from Brooklyn on December 18, 2006 at 4:39 PM
Marines attacking from space is an awesome idea. I want in on this project.
The only problem is the enemy can’t hear you blaring “Ride of the Valkyries” until you enter the atmosphere.
frankj on December 18, 2006 at 4:40 PM
Wait a second!
Did Murtha come up with this so we can deploy from Okinawa?
frankj on December 18, 2006 at 4:41 PM
I say we take off and nuke the site from orbit… It’s the only way to be sure.
When it has to absolutely, positively be destroyed overnight, call Uncle Sam’s Misguided Children!!
MOMinuteman on December 18, 2006 at 4:42 PM
Space Marines don’t have the most storied history:
Game over man! Game over!
armylawyer on December 18, 2006 at 4:44 PM
Next on CNN 2036: Democrats come up with plan to redeploy to Neptune even though we havent been at war since 2009.
Dash on December 18, 2006 at 4:45 PM
Big deal. They had space marines in 1979. I saw ‘em.
see-dubya on December 18, 2006 at 4:45 PM
That’s all good and well for getting our boys in, but Jack Murtha wants to know how we’re going to then get them out.
SWLiP on December 18, 2006 at 4:54 PM
Good for mop up AFTER we bomb .
bbz123 on December 18, 2006 at 4:55 PM
Halo 2 is about right. This seems more inspired by FPS action than any pratical/tactical/strategic thinking. Call in the Space Marines? Why not call in Jack Bauer from 24 while you’re at it? Why not call the guy who was President on 24, but is now the guy in The Unit. He kicks butt.
Then again, does Chuck Norris even need a re-entry vehicle? Can’t we just drop him from high orbit and have him hold his breath and then tuck and roll?
BohicaTwentyTwo on December 18, 2006 at 4:57 PM
HA!
an excuse to gloat because I finally have my xb0x360.
I pwn on halo 2.
uhhh marines insertion thing. rock. Can’t wait to see it.
hehehehe…
One Angry Christian on December 18, 2006 at 5:01 PM
not sure that the Marines are the proper force to manage this though; it likely should be a Navy project.
dalewalt on December 18, 2006 at 5:04 PM
If this anything like Starship Troopers, will it have Denise Richards in command?
kevcad on December 18, 2006 at 5:04 PM
It’s a beaut of a concept, but you’d better prep these things for squadron-level efforts…At thirteen marines to a flight you’re going to need a load of these birds to hit a target hard. We’ve also been hearing about hypersonic flight since the late 70′s…Are we that close yet?
That aside, I can’t wait for the inevitable “HEEEEEYYYYYY! Fifty miles over our country is still OVER OUR country!”… Hopefully followed by the laughter of a group of marines going “Not if you can’t hit us it ain’t!”
52Ranger on December 18, 2006 at 5:06 PM
Slublog, my thoughts exactly.
“Somebody wake up Hicks.”
Chris L. on December 18, 2006 at 5:07 PM
I’m still holding out for individual re-entry capsules and powered armored suits. I think a Navy guy like Heinlein would smile down upon them being called USMC instead of Mobile Infantry.
The Monster on December 18, 2006 at 5:07 PM
We need a Farsi translation of
“I’m a thirty-second bomb. I’m a twenty-nine-second bomb. I’m a twenty-eight-second bomb…”
The Monster on December 18, 2006 at 5:15 PM
From the Halls of Montezuma
To the shores of Tripoli,
We will fight out country’s battles
In the air, land, sea, and Space
First to fight for right and freedom
And to keep our honor clean.
We are proud to claim the title
Of United States Marine.
(See? It fits right in!)
Hell Yea! Who else? 29 Palms, California: A former testing ground for Army Armor during WW2. It was declared “Unfit for Human Life”… So the Marines moved right in!
Mazztek on December 18, 2006 at 5:17 PM
I may have just soiled myself.
*calls recruiter*
Theworldisnotenough on December 18, 2006 at 5:19 PM
If it does have Denise Richards in command, we’re pretty screwed, considering that it took her 10 years longer than everyone else on this planet to figure out Charlie Sheen likes hookers and porn … not exactly a rocket scientist.
On the main topic, I’m sure Robert Heinlein is smiling from his grave right about now. Nuke ‘em, Rico!
thirteen28 on December 18, 2006 at 5:22 PM
As always, the bodies would be Corps, the vehicles Navy. I’m geting Aliens flashbacks. Send in Ripley.
Freelancer on December 18, 2006 at 5:22 PM
Space Marines? Interesting idea … needs a lot of work.
Consider:
- Feasibility. The Marines have had a hard time getting the V-22 Osprey to work right. And now they’re already talking about spaceships? If I were a Pentagon planner or budget director, I’d be saying, “Aw, C’mon!” to such a notion. Very tough sell.
- Cost. Even if the program were feasible, and even if there are no cost overruns (in a defense department program? Yeah, sure), it’d be billions of dollars for the acquisition and maintenance of the space delivery vehicles and their mother ships; millions if not billions more for the extensive crew and troop training required to use them effectively. This alone would likely kill the program at the concept stage (see “Priorities” below).
- Scale. Related to cost. Examples: (1) The Air Force is already having to downsize personnel to afford more F-22 Raptors and F-35 Lightning IIs, and even then is still going to have to scale back on the original number planned for purchase. (2) Congress is already cutting back on the number of Marine Expeditionary Fighting Vehicles to be authorized, due to cost considerations. If the same happens to the space delivery vehicle program, we’d likely end up with a (potentially) highly capable system that’s too few in numbers to make a major difference and so costly per unit that we’d be loath to risk losing them in combat (e.g., ask the Navy how enthusiastic they’d be about sending their aircraft carriers into a high-risk scenario of being sunk, you’ll get the idea).
- Tactics and Logistics. OK, so you’ve dropped the space marines into hostile territory where they otherwise couldn’t get to by conventional sea or air delivery. Now what? How do you keep them supplied for anything more than a quick hit-and-run mission? If we could, for example, supply the space marines by air, then why not use paratroopers like the 82nd Airborne Division to begin with? How do you get them back out again, if the delivery vehicles require a “mother ship” to get them aloft to begin with? Also, considering alternatives to the cost to deliver a handful of men in this fashion, what about developing a sub-orbital, pulse-jet equipped version of a stealth bomber to undertake the same mission – for less money? We could probably make an umanned vehicle to do such work, so there’d be no need to risk scarce, highly-trained and hard-to-replace personnel on extremely distant and dangerous missions into hostile territory.
- Lack of political will. Related to scale. Employing space marines in this fashion would only be practical in the context of a major war, in which we’d be using some kind of large-scale follow-on force to relieve or retrieve them. Fighting our way into and out of a hostile location so remote that we can only get there from space to begin with would be a massive undertaking, with likely high casualties on both sides. Maybe justifiable in a fight-for-survival war with say, the Russians or Chinese – maybe. Anything short of that? No way the America public would put up with the dollar and human cost involved.
- Priorities. Even though we spend a lot on defense, the budget isn’t unlimited. Invest billions of dollars into a “silver bullet” (if not “white elephant”) program like space marines (which, like nuclear ballistic missile submarines, will likely never be used) and other programs will have to suffer. Could the money be better spent in more conventional troops, more and better vehicles, aircraft and ships? Enhancing our low-level/counterinsurgency warfighting capabilities (a scenario much more likely than anything requiring space delivery)?
Sorry for the long post, but these are just the big question marks that come to mind on cursory examination of the concept, from somebody who doesn’t consider himself an expert on the matter. It sure sounds sexy, but – to borrow a related expression – “It’ll never fly.”
Spurius Ligustinus on December 18, 2006 at 5:26 PM
I grew up on Marine bases and the one thing I learned about Marines is that they will sleep with anything. I can only imagine what kind of space-hog they will bring back.
Semper Fi!
x95b10 on December 18, 2006 at 5:40 PM
theyd have to add some extra lines to the Marine hymn
“From the blue green seas of Earth
to the crimson sands of Mars
We are our country’s vanguard
On its rise through the stars
As we spread through the universe
to find what our destiny means
We will proudly bear the title
of United States Marines”
How’s that?
Defector01 on December 18, 2006 at 5:44 PM
It’s game over, man! Game over!
Can we recruit Sigourney Weaver?
stonemeister on December 18, 2006 at 5:58 PM
Hmm…the Popsci pics showed some cool stuff about how it’d leave home base on its mother ship, blast itself into sub-orbit, glide to its destination, and disgorge its 13 Marines (after landing on a roadway!).
One big, gaping hole here…how the hell do they get back out?
flipflop on December 18, 2006 at 5:58 PM
I think I’d rather have some of those Martian tripods from “War of the Worlds.” Imagine the havoc we could wreak with those in Fallujah. Wouldn’t you love to knock on the door of Moqtada Sadr’s mosque with one of those?
Tantor on December 18, 2006 at 6:01 PM
Don’t you know? You need the android to crawl thru a pipe with a remote control for the backup spaceship, then fight the aliens to get the little girl out of the nuke station before it blows up.
No, wait a second, that’s the plot for Aliens. My bad.
stonemeister on December 18, 2006 at 6:02 PM
We Walk Out.
Anyone else remember the short lived TV show: Space: Above and Beyond?
Mazztek on December 18, 2006 at 6:12 PM
We are talking marines in space, and you start coming up with logical arguments? C’mon space marines, the thought sends shivers down the enemies spines. Look what “star wars” did for Reagan. I also like the idea of space stationed mounted missles and lazers. Let’s throw everything at em.
right2bright on December 18, 2006 at 6:12 PM
So, we fly in these trillion dollar space fighters, and then just leave them there?
Uh …. no.
This plan has major flaws, not the least of which would be the ability of the enemy to detect the launch of the mother ship and track it leaving the atmosphere. What the hell are 13 marines going to do that would warrant the loss of a trillion dollar ship?
I call bullshit.
Gregor on December 18, 2006 at 6:20 PM
Exactly.
It never happened. This is more of the same.
Gregor on December 18, 2006 at 6:21 PM
this is a dirty planet. a bug planet…
jummy on December 18, 2006 at 6:35 PM
“C’mon, you apes, you wanna live forever?”
-Starship Troopers
If you haven’t, immediately go out and buy the book.
Do not, under any circumstances watch the movie.
Thank you.
N. O'Brain on December 18, 2006 at 6:42 PM
Oh, and Gregor, if “it never happened”, how is it that we keep shooting down targets in space?
Oh, nevermind, the tests are “rigged”, or “never happened”, right?
And another btw: remember, RAH proved we don’t need nukes in space.
Remember the words of Mike Holmes: “We drop rocks on ‘em.”
And if you don’t get that reference immediately go out an buy Robert A. Heinlein’s The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress.
BTW, Moon is where the term TANSTAAFL originated.
N. O'Brain on December 18, 2006 at 6:49 PM
The thing that is expensive is 25 years of R&D and engineering. I think the idea is the lander is pretty much disposable and not that expensive. Note it has taken 30 years of R&D on the F-22 and it is just now going into service so thinking this far ahead isnt really that far fetched. Furthermore the article points out it would rely on tech from other programs such as Spaceship one and engines from hypersonic missles already in development so that is how the Marines would afford it when they have a small budget. And BTW the V-22 just went into service as well.
What we really are those ships from Star Wars EP2 where the Marines decend from space and land just like the V-22 and it has the firepower of a fighter/bomber.
Resolute on December 18, 2006 at 6:52 PM
I must have missed it. Please point me in the direction of the last star wars missile defense test.
If we can’t shoot them down from Earth, how will we do it from space?
Gregor on December 18, 2006 at 6:53 PM
Latest Star Wars missile defense testing didn’t go to well.
Gregor on December 18, 2006 at 6:57 PM
There are about a half dozen diffent kinds of anti-missle tech in development, at varios ranges and platforms. There are even experiments on a truck/humvee mounted system that would shoot enemy artillery/morter/RPG right out of the air.
I dont understand critics who say well it doesnt work now just give up! We would still have propeller based fighters by that philosphy.
Resolute on December 18, 2006 at 6:59 PM
Posted by Wickedpinto at December 18, 2006 07:29 PM
Ah, but the ones before that did.
Buh-bye, now.
N. O'Brain on December 18, 2006 at 7:00 PM
Resolute on December 18, 2006 at 6:59 PM
We wouldn’t have AIRPLANES if the reactionaries like gregor had their way.
N. O'Brain on December 18, 2006 at 7:02 PM
Anyone else ever seen a UFO? I have, but I’ve always believed they are (justifiably) secret military projects.
RightWinged on December 18, 2006 at 9:17 PM
One of the historical notes of the Soviet dismantling is their fear of our “star wars” program. They spent countless millions trying to duplicate a system that did not exist. If you can use an enemys resources without expending any of your own, that is brilliance.
Not to mention the successes of our defense system now. Some complicated things take time to develop. The laser technology coming out of R&D, is stunning, mind blowing is a better word. I think even you would understand and admit how advanced our missle defense system is. The stability of an orbiting station, in space, is much more signifcant and effective than an earth based laser where the earth is in constant flux. We could be further along than you could imagine.
right2bright on December 18, 2006 at 10:09 PM
Just what Freedoms needs, even FASTER and DEADLIER MARINES!!!!!
Just so ling as us “squids” are there to give them a ride of course!
Yakko77 on December 18, 2006 at 10:18 PM
Used to hate looking down at a paycheck and seeing “Department of the Navy”. And every squid, at every opportunity reminded the marines who signed their check.
The marines were never “chauffered” by a better group.
right2bright on December 18, 2006 at 10:32 PM
Dale Brown released a book a couple of years ago called Air Battle Force that had an awesome mix of exo-skeleton-enhanced super-troopers, laser-equipped B-52s, and remote-controlled B1 bombers that served as a sort of drone aircraft carrier, all blowing up Taliban types.
Fanciful perhaps and occasionally slow, it was still cool if you like this kind of future warrior stuff.
Bob Owens on December 18, 2006 at 10:34 PM
Gregor: “This plan has major flaws, not the least of which would be the ability of the enemy to detect the launch of the mother ship and track it leaving the atmosphere. What the hell are 13 marines going to do that would warrant the loss of a trillion dollar ship? I call bullshit.”
What, the Taliban is going to detect the launch from their mud huts with their thatched radar dish? Or maybe Allah will appear to Bin Laden in his cave and clue him in that Marines are landing from orbit?
Think of all the troops the enemy will waste when they have to defend every square yard of their territory because squads of Marines could appear anywhere anytime. The more they spread their forces around, the easier it is to take them down.
Tantor on December 18, 2006 at 10:48 PM
Hey Mazztek, I saw this article in PopSci at the airport the other day and the first thing I thought of was Space: A&B. I LOVE that show. One of the only shows that takes place in the future where there still is a United States. I was hooked from the first preview for the pilot episode when R. Lee Emory yells “I’m here to turn you slimey civilians INTO UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS SPACE AVIATORS!!”
For those who’ve never seen it, this show is a futuristic remake of WW2 where every episode has a history lesson in it somewhere. We’re attacked by and at war with an alien planet and of course at first we’re losing but we fight a “planet hopping” campaign to the enemy’s home planet. There are references to the Army, the Air Force and other country’s militaries but it’s mostly Navy/Marine Corps. It takes place aboard a U.S. Navy space aircraft carrier (The U.S.S. Saratoga) and the main characters are fighter pilots but because Marines are riflemen first they sometimes are used as infantry. I like how they show on the situation maps that the the Chinese flag IS the Tiawanese flag (meaning communism is dead) and they show the Israeli flag, the Union Jack, etc etc. They even busted on the Niners one time “The Niner’s suck, they haven’t won the Superbowl in 75 years!”
Great show, good special effects, good character buildup, good dog fight scenes but it was canceled after only one season.
Tony737 on December 18, 2006 at 10:49 PM
Some fail and some succeed. At least our failures/successes are published/filmed for all to read/see. During the Cold War, numerous U.S.S.R. space tests failed and no one knew about them, until the
cardboardssystem collapsed.Something like this will only fail if we don’t have the will to make it happen. Only politics can kill it.
On Sept. 29, 2004, I spent the night awake at the Mojave Civilian Flight Test Center, anticipating and watching flight 16P of SpaceShipOne. Governor Schwarzenegger also made an appearance in support. After the test flight in the early morning, the craft was pulled in front of the viewers, followed by the crew and all who worked on it.
It was a long wait in the cold desert night, scientist friends from Jet Propulsion Lab told interesting space stories, was interesting to watch and definitely historic.
If we wouldn’t have to fight human stupidity we could pour so much more money into space exploration, including for defense. Sad, very sad.
Entelechy on December 18, 2006 at 10:56 PM
As for the article and the very good analysis by Spurius, I think this can and will happen, but not for a loooong time. Someday Soldiers and Marines will be delivered into combat by Navy and Air Force transports that skim the upper atmosphere or even break it, but don’t expect to see it anytime soon.
If you look at the old covers in this magazine, you’ll see that there were stories of all kinds of futuristic ideas that never happened and some that have. Nobody believed in 1949 that in 20 years America (NASA) would put a man on the Moon and bring him home alive. Radar invisable bombers that look like boomerangs, stealth fighters, missiles that shoot down missiles, etc etc. Transporting troops through space? Just imagine what they’re NOT tellin’ the magazine’s reporters about. Someday we might be transporting Green Berets through a freakin’ teleporter! “Beam me up, Scotty.”
Tony737 on December 18, 2006 at 11:01 PM
I definitely am not saying we should give up. I merely said that this story is bogus. If you break down the story, with the cost of the aircraft, the fact that it only holds 13 marines, has no apparent ability to leave the combat zone once there, and needs to piggyback on a full scale rocket which would alert every enemy possessing basic technology (or the use of a telephone)upon launch … it’s nothing but a cartoon movie.
My comment was not meant to discourage the “idea.” I LOVE the idea and I wish we were spending money on ideas like this rather than wasting it on affordable housing for the lazy, or medical and education for illegal aliens.
Again, I believe YOU are the one being “reactionary” and assuming that I would stop all technology research. I’m pissed that we aren’t spending more. In my opinion … we should have already had this long ago.
I would agree with that and would also suggest that this story has more to do with scaring the hell out of our enemies than anything else. That … and setting the tables for a request for funding.
You must have missed the part of the article where they said this was at least 30 years away.
Besides … the Taliban does not need the technology to know we’ve launched a rocket. They only need a telephone, which North Korea, or China, or Russia, or Iran could simply dial that phone number.
Gregor on December 18, 2006 at 11:30 PM
Oh, and to clarify I didn’t see a “flying saucer”, I realize that may be the image I created in your mind when reading that.
RightWinged on December 18, 2006 at 11:40 PM
RightWinged, we would love you either way :)
Entelechy on December 19, 2006 at 12:17 AM
“A future long-range lander will launch into suborbital space from a carrier craft [1]. The lander will fire its own rockets for the ascent into space and then coast to the conflict area [2], where it will reenter the atmosphere and fly to a touchdown [3].”
wHERE IT WILL BE BLOWN THE F**K OUT OF THE AIR WITH A ANTI-AIR MISSLE.
What the hell kind of stuff are they smoking at the Pentagon or the DOD????!!!!! Could you imagine the freeking fuel thats needed to carry this whole mission out? And the one pic it shows whre it ‘lands on a street in a city’ (!!!!!) and 13 Marines jump out. It’s absurd. Son’t you think??????
auspatriotman on December 19, 2006 at 12:42 AM
Space Above and Beyond
“Plot Outline: Earth is embroiled in a desperate war against invaders and this series focuses on one squad of marines involved in it.”
- The Cat
MirCat on December 19, 2006 at 5:13 AM
As she said, as she slowly backed out the door, with a forced smile, not taking her eyes off of RightWinged…
right2bright on December 19, 2006 at 7:40 AM
Mazztek, do you remember “Starblazers”?
Alot like “Space: A&B” but a cartoon. The ship is a WW2 battleship retrofitted for space, carries fighter jets and … “Space Marines”!
Tony737 on December 19, 2006 at 8:05 AM
“Anyone else remember the short lived TV show: Space: Above and Beyond?”
My Christmas present to myself was the box set DVD. We cheated and opened that gift early. ;^)
Even my son, a real Marine, got a kick out of it. And the CGI effects are still pretty good considering that the series was made 11 years ago. The series finale dropped a real surprise on the viewers at the end. Too bad there wasn’t a 2nd season.
georgej on December 19, 2006 at 9:01 AM
George, I think that show got some complaint mail from military folks ’cause there’s a scene where McQueen seems to be addressing fan mail, he says:
“We’ve been getting a lot of bitching and complaining about fighter jocks being used as ground pounders. Well this is not the Air Force ladies and gentlemen, this is the Marine Corps, you will fight when and where you are told.”
Best Ep: “The Angriest Angel”
Tony737 on December 19, 2006 at 9:22 AM
Again, to clarify it wasn’t some weird flying saucer or whatever. A UFO by definition is an unidentified flying object – meaning not a traditional plane or helicopter. Again, it’s no “tin-foil hat” stuff to acknowledge that the military has tons of secret projects going on, as they should. We get enough leaked to our enemies through the media, at least our weapons systems can be kept under wraps longer.
So one more time I don’t believe in “UFO”s in the sense that they are aliens, etc. But I think everyone would agree that the military is and SHOULD BE testing cutting edge aircraft, etc. And in fact I think those claiming that UFOs are alien aircraft are quite retarded… but if they just state what they saw, I’m perfectly open to the possibility, because it would be scarier to think that the military isn’t doing this stuff.
RightWinged on December 19, 2006 at 10:22 AM
Who cares who owns the damn vehicle, as long as Marines get to storm out of it and stomp some ass when the piece of trash lands, then I’m for it.
Sure, we Marines may only be a department of the Navy, but everyone knows it’s the Men’s department!
Ooorah!
Alden Pyle on December 19, 2006 at 10:36 AM
Dude, this is Starship Troopers, all the way.
One question: How high can your SAMs go?
This was not the Marines’ fault. Some pol wanted to give his friend/bj-buddy a defense contract.
You mean luddites…
Space: A&B was based heavily Starship Troopers (the book–long before the mediocre movie came out). One big exception: the book had no nipple-necks.
urbancenturion on December 19, 2006 at 10:47 AM
What’s with the bashing of Starship Troopers?
I love that movie!! Starship Troopers 2 was pathetic though.
Gregor on December 19, 2006 at 12:23 PM
I wouldn’t worry too much about this. Popular Science loves nothing more than to run stories about hypothetical military aircraft that do not and will never exist. It makes for sexy covers and no doubt moves a lot of magazines (they still run at least one issue a year featuring the mythical, and at this stage obviously non-existant, “Aurora” don’t they?).
The flaw here, the technical hurdles aside, is that thirteen marines aren’t enough to do much of anything by themselves (not even defend the spaceplane). Considering that such a vehicle would no doubt run multiple billions of dollars per aircraft(in current dollars), that’s not a lot of bang for the buck (essentially, it would just be a way to rapidly mail the enemy a free multi-billion dollar space plane).
There’d be much more value in rapidly inserting elite forces like SEALs or Delta or the CIA guys who don’t have fancy group names into remote areas. You’re still talking about one hell of an aircraft: Scramjet propulsion, re-entry shielding, stealth, V/STOL, austere landing capability, traditional propulsion for egress, and a hell of a long range to make it out to someplace friendly. And at low procurement levels, you’re probably talking more like tens of billions of dollars per airframe. But at least I can imagine what it’d be used for.
Personally, I’d much rather invest even R&D money for this on enhancing ways to protect amphibious assault ships full of Marines from diesel/electric subs. Or even equipping those Marines with better rifles. Actually, I’m sure the list of better ideas is endless.
Blacklake on December 19, 2006 at 12:28 PM
I was just joking RightWinged (c’mon the image was funny), I agree the there probably are UFO’s–but not the intersteller kind–I am sure we are working on some pretty exciting stuff.
right2bright on December 19, 2006 at 1:05 PM
Nope, it was an Al-Kesh he saw.
wearyman on December 19, 2006 at 1:16 PM
Personally, I’d like to see a SSCVN. Something like the Tuatha-de-dannan from Full Metal Panic..
(Just because it’s fictional doesn’t mean it’s not a great idea. Think about it… a LHD with the stealth and combat capabilities of a Virginia class SSN.)
Of course, I would also like to see US Marines in mechs…
Jones Zemkophill on December 19, 2006 at 1:27 PM
RightWinged on December 19, 2006 at 10:22 AM
Randy, I knew what you meant the first time and fully agree with this comment too. I’m happy these things are kept a secret. In fact, I know some who work on them and all they say is “sleep well at night”. They said this during Reagan too.
P.S. You are so fun to tease because you react instantly. You’re also very informed on many subjects and I meant sincerely that I like you. Merry Christmas,
Entelechy on December 19, 2006 at 4:24 PM
In 1954, some men with vision and slide-rules began designing an airplane. In 1957, the engine this plane required, completely unlike any before it, was first bench-tested by Pratt & Whitney. In 1962 the Air Force completed agreements with the manufacturer on airframe specs. In 1964 the first prototype was delivered and test-flown by the Air Force. In 1966 the first production aircraft entered service.
Twenty four years later, just before being retired from military service in 1990, the
flew to 4 additional world records for altitude and speed, going from Palmdale, CA to Washington, DC in 64 minutes.
The first time the Blackbird’s existence was publicly acknowledged was in 1977. The first declassified information published about it was in December, 1983.
My point is, you and I have no idea what the U.S. has been cooking up, and part of the game is the carefully controlled dissemination of information. Oh, that first public article on the Habu appeared in Popular MECHANICS. I still have it.
Freelancer on December 19, 2006 at 5:22 PM
OORAH! Who do I have to kill to get in on this? Do I have to go Recon? Better start training now…
Obviously, it’s a bit pie-in-the-sky for right now. And true, one squad ain’t a whole lot to work with (but for those who say it’s not a whole lot of firepower, I beg to differ).
For those of us on a total RAH/Starship Troopers trip, bear in mind that another R&D idea being kicked around right now is exoskeletons for the infantry a la Heinlein’s power suits. Nothing quite so complicated yet (no good power source), but imagine thirty years from now the ability to drop even just one squad (or more likely, multiple, because why buy one when you can have several for orders of magnitude more?) of highly trained, exoskeleton wearing Marines intent on causing as much havoc as possible. Depending on mission and deployment, it could act as a devastating psychological tool if nothing else. I don’t know about you, but the last thing I would want is thirteen certifiable Jarheads wandering around, breaking things and hurting people in my back yard.
Ah, well, that’s for the future. For now, I’ll concentrate on getting my degree so I can maybe, just maybe get to work on something this cool! Or, who knows, maybe the Corps will still have a use for me when something along these lines comes along… One may dream.
Militant Bibliophile on December 19, 2006 at 6:18 PM
Noone else was amused by the text accompanying the illustrations?
Image 1:
Less than two hours after leaving the base, the Marines will land in hostile territory in Southeast Asia.
Image 2:
will travel the 7,000 miles to Southeast Asia
Then Image 3-> With a big fat arrow pointing at what sure looks pretty darn close to N Korea.
I must say, I like the way those Popular Science guys think.
Ohh, and someone mentioned teleportation? Yea, DARPA is already looking at it. Seriously.
KeaponLaffin on December 19, 2006 at 8:10 PM
Marines don’t need supply, they win wars with their bare hands.
Tim Burton on December 19, 2006 at 11:32 PM
“We’re on an express elevator to hell – going down!”
Tim Burton on December 19, 2006 at 11:33 PM