BUT AGAIN – GENES ARE NOT A MATTER OF OPINION FOR YOU TO DECIDE! WHAT DON’T YOU UNDERSTAND?!

I know, you are incapable of a level of comprehension beyond that of a 5 year old and I made a point similar to this earlier, but “not being gay” isn’t “genetic” it’s just the way it is – because it’s the way it is. It would not be a trait reflected in DNA like eye color or hair color, etc. Just as “ugly” or “good looking” aren’t in the genes, as beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Even past generations found different things attractive. But something just “is” so it has nothing to do with genes. Get it? You don’t have to accept it, but are you at least being able to wrap your mind around it yet genius?

So you can call me a hypocrite because you simply don’t understand all you want, whenever I point out that YOU SAID your OPINION about it being in the genes, is retarded, because genes are not a matter of opinion…. because you think somehow that I’m making the same claim about heterosexuality… BUT I’M NOT. I’m stating that something is a given, therefore it has nothing to do with genes.

(To avoid the spam filter) Reproductive organs are there for a reason, in two different sexes, uniquely designed to work together to produce children. Again, you can be a total retard and pretend that it’s all just a big coincidence and insist that it’s still something in their genes that makes they heterosexuals (funny that homos can’t naturally produce children, yet they maintain the capabilities, if they’d only get together with people of the opposite sex… what a coincidence!), but then you’re completely without help.

And for the record, I have repeatedly made my case, your case is…. what? Because homos claim they are naturally gay, that means they are? How many criminals have you ever seen confess to their crime when pulled over on COPS? Why is it that virtually any kid you take to get tested will be diagnosed with ADD and stuck on medicine, when this wasn’t even in existence years ago… but they’ll write the prescription because every kid claims to not be able to concentrate. In reality it’s because school sucks and it’s boring, and different kids are at different levels. But a kid saying he can’t concentrate doesn’t mean he’s got ADD. I could go on with literally millions of examples of why your “logic” is ridiculous.

GENES ARE NOT A MATTER OF OPINION!

Don’t you see the hypocrisy here? You’re claiming (in your opinion) that homosexuality (and heterosexuality) aren’t in our DNA.

though I feel it’s supported by the evidence

I seriously laughed when I read that.

The “evidence” you have yet to state. I’ve stated why I believe homosexuality and heterosexuality are genetic qualities; you’ve stated why you feel you’re right without stating what those reasons may be.

I can’t stop you from being a retard.

What a great way to end your post.

“A positive attitude will not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort.”
-Herm Albright

Evidence? Such as? When you talk to gay people do they tell you it’s a choice? Was your heterosexuality a choice? Et cetera. You have nothing to support your argument, you simply don’t think it’s natural so you’re crusading against it.

Yes I know, the ability to produce children is just coincidence and isn’t evidence that heterosexuality is the natural way. You’ve convinced me based on…. because homos claim to be that way? Nice work.

Oh, and by the way, nice job on the predictable liberal dodge, of my point that you talking about your “opinion” of what is genetic. Again, GENES ARE NOT A MATTER OF OPINION! As I said, it’s my opinion that being gay isn’t natural, but it’s based on what I THINK seems obvious. You can continue to think that the ability to produce children is just a lucky coincidence for heterosexuals, and I can’t stop you from being a retard.

By the way, incase no one has ever told you, liberals are EXTREMELY predictable, and we know what you’re going to say long before you say it

Kind of like you “knew” I was gay, right?

though I feel it’s supported by the evidence.

Evidence? Such as? When you talk to gay people do they tell you it’s a choice? Was your heterosexuality a choice? Et cetera. You have nothing to support your argument, you simply don’t think it’s natural so you’re crusading against it.

And I thought you’d left? Don’t you have other threads to troll?

As opposed to your opinion that being gay is a choice or your opinion that I’m gay or your opinion… you see where I’m going here?

Nonfactor on December 18, 2006 at 12:18 AM

Do you think that I didn’t know that would be you response? By the way, incase no one has ever told you, liberals are EXTREMELY predictable, and we know what you’re going to say long before you say it (which is why we always like to “question the timing” of everything).

My opinion that being is a choice is admittedly my opinion, though I feel it’s supported by the evidence. Whether you think it is or not, I don’t care… But I would never say:

The racial comparison I did make was that being black (or white, or Asian, etc.) is similar to being gay because (in my opinion) they are both genetic.

Nonfactor on December 16, 2006 at 9:26 PM

Genetics are NOT A MATTER OF OPINION. You’re a genius by the way.

It’s a disgusting comparison to make and you really should be ashamed.

How is it disgusting? Are you saying that blacks weren’t “anathema” to the South in the 1880s? Are you saying that gays aren’t “anathema” to society today?

One more comment and then I’m not posting on this debate anymore.

How convenient.

P.S. I’m black.

I admit the comparison…
Nonfactor on December 16, 2006 at 9:26 PM

Hmmm…a far cry from your earlier assertion:

I didn’t compare the two at all…
Nonfactor on December 16, 2006 at 3:48 PM

Well it’s one or the other isn’t it? Unfortunately you can’t seem to come to a conclusion on it – however, I’m quite certain you made a comparison and it doesn’t matter if you were arguing a point on “genetics” or anything else. It’s a disgusting comparison to make and you really should be ashamed.

hmmm… I didn’t realize “genetics” were matters of opinion. I guess in liberal land they are.

RightWinged on December 17, 2006 at 7:17 PM

As opposed to your opinion that being gay is a choice or your opinion that I’m gay or your opinion… you see where I’m going here?

The racial comparison I did make was that being black (or white, or Asian, etc.) is similar to being gay because (in my opinion) they are both genetic.

Nonfactor on December 16, 2006 at 9:26 PM

hmmm… I didn’t realize “genetics” were matters of opinion. I guess in liberal land they are.

I stated, truthfully, that blacks were “anathema” to normal society in the 1800s just like you stated that gays were “anathema” to normal society today.

I admit the comparison and still think it is valid (unless you want to tell me blacks weren’t anathema to society in the 1800s), but I did not compare treatment and it wasn’t a comparison based on race. The racial comparison I did make was that being black (or white, or Asian, etc.) is similar to being gay because (in my opinion) they are both genetic.

That in no way is a comparison to the treatment of blacks in the South.
Nonfactor on December 16, 2006 at 3:48 PM

WRONG! Here, copied and pasted for you, are your exact words:

And how exactly is being gay/allowing gay couples to have the rights of married couples “anathema to normal society”? And what should that matter? Blacks were anathema to the South in the 1800’s (and some could argue that they still are in some places). Should we ban blacks from the South? Oh, when I put it in those terms your idea seems a bit ludicrous. That’s because it is.
Nonfactor on December 15, 2006 at 2:21 AM

You absolutely DID draw a comparison. Read your words again. The comparison is as plain as the nose on your face.

I quit this debate after Nonissue actually tried to compare the debate on gay marriage with the treatment of blacks in the south.

I didn’t compare the two at all; you’re stretching my words into a straw man you can abuse. I used the analogy posted in this thread that “gay people are ‘anathema’ to normal society,” and stated (truthfully) that “black people were ‘anathema’ to normal society in the 1800s.” That in no way is a comparison to the treatment of blacks in the South.

The only comparison to race I did make was that, in my opinion, being black (or white, or Asian, or German) is genetic as is being gay.

you POS

Hilarious, and to think you might actually hold some credibility among some people here.

The truth is you haven’t clearly stated your position; I see it, 12thman sees it, and anyone reading this thread sees it. If you think you’ve stated it clearly point to the post where your position is flatly laid out, but I’m warning you, you won’t find it.

In this thread you’ve stated that I’m a homosexual (I’m not), you’ve called me and others here (even those who would agree with you on numerous other issues) ignorant, stupid, a troll, a POS, and others. You’re acting irrational; you need to calm down, look at the topic subjectively, and then come back and have a rational debate. Good-bye, RightWinged, I hope you get better.

And just shut up 12thman, you know what you did.

RightWinged on December 16, 2006 at 12:20 PM

What kind of way is that to hold a discussion? And…

[12htman, you] presented what you believe to be the only possible arguments against gays and you tried to force me in to a box and choose from the multiple choice you gave, proving you refused to read anything I had been saying because you’re coming at this with your own agenda.

RightWinged on December 16, 2006 at 12:20 PM

That’s completely false. I presented what my understanding was of what you said. I even asked you to please correct me where I was wrong. Here is exactly what I said:

As far as I can tell, your opinion is based on two things. 1) The slippery slope, which I adressed and 2) the “wrongness” of it all, which appears to me to be based on your religious context.

If I’m wrong please correct me here so that I may better understand. If I’m right, and point 2 is based on your religious background… and you are a Christian, I think it’s fair for me to address you as such. If you’re not, well then I humbly take back that entire part of my prior statement.

12thman on December 15, 2006 at 1:16 PM

If you feel trapped you need to consider the possibilty that it is your logic rather than my questions which is giving rise to the sensation.

/fin

I’m asking you to state why you’re against gay marriage without the insults.

If that’s too hard for you, I understand.

Nonfactor on December 15, 2006 at 10:18 PM

And I’ve repeatedly explained it to you without insults, but you refuse to accept it and continue to lie… I have no reason to be civil with you anymore you POS.

And just shut up 12thman, you know what you did. You presented what you believe to be the only possible arguments against gays and you tried to force me in to a box and choose from the multiple choice you gave, proving you refused to read anything I had been saying because you’re coming at this with your own agenda.

I’m still on the fence about their raising children. I like the idea that they would give kids a home via adoption, yet I recognize the studies that tell us children need both a Mommy and a Daddy.

12thman, you aren’t doing it as bad, but you’re still so hardened in your own positions that you can’t even read and comprehend things without turning around and putting words in my mouth or creating positions for me.

-RightWinged

:) That’s the pot calling the kettle snow ball black. I never once put words in your mouth or created your position. That’s what you did to me, repeatedly, while erecting straw men.

It’s here in black-and-white for you to read again and see. I simply asked if this was a fair summary of your stance and asked you to clarify any points I missed.

Which of course you haven’t done yet.

Also, it isn’t me that is so set in his opinion. I’ve only come to this belief after years of thought, discussion and study. Anyway, my whole reason for engaging you was to get a better understanding of your stance so that maybe I could have my view on the subject enhanced. Alas you have provided no such insight.

When you can’t answer a simple question without resorting to hate and slander you have completely destroyed all credibility on the topic of discussion, my friend.

You may want to reread my post without that guy’s balls in your face.

or…

Maybe you’re desperate to justify your gayness

really doesn’t help change my mind. Stop wasting time on him…his argument is basically…”ITS JUST NOT NATURAL!!!!”

If that’s too hard for you, I understand.

RightWinged, why do you oppose gay marriage/civil unions? You’ve claimed that it would lead to man-on-dog relationships and you’ve claimed that it is disgusting; are there any other reasons you have towards opposing equal marriage rights for gay couples?

(I’m keeping my question as simple as possible so you can’t ignore it and quote other parts of my post)

Nonfactor on December 15, 2006 at 5:43 PM

And now the blatant outright lies are where it ends. You Nonfactor are a delusional lying liberal who doesn’t deserve a second of anyone’s time. I never said it would lead to man-dog-relationships, and I never said anything about disgusting. You may want to reread my post without that guy’s balls in your face. Yeah, I went there, only because I’m so sick of liberal dishonesty, and your outright lies in particular, and how blinded you are by your own bs that you can’t even see your own idiocy.

12thman, you aren’t doing it as bad, but you’re still so hardened in your own positions that you can’t even read and comprehend things without turning around and putting words in my mouth or creating positions for me.

Basically, you’re calling approx. 10% of the American population liars when they discuss whats going on in their own experiences and feelings.

10%? LOL! I love when you guys pull out this crap. First of all, you’re lucky if it’s 5%, but keep inflating it… Interesting how the number grew with the fad huh? Oh wait, it’s just that they’re more comfortable to come out of the closet, right? Anyway, yes as far as I can tell at this point, they’re liars. I don’t know why you had to ask, I’ve made that quite clear.

As for all your other “what’s natural” conversation, I see that you’re a 12 year old and I can’t help you. That list of “comparisons” is so beyond ridiculous, I can’t even believe it.

Anyway, carry on folks, I’m tired of going in circles with the same people, breaking things down in terms that small children can understand and having you still want to go in the same circles over and over and over… Maybe you’re desperate to justify your gayness, but I think I’m pretty much done wasting my time with this.

To catch up…
Infidel said:
“What “rights” do heterosexual couples have that homosexual couples do not have? If its about visiting a loved one in the hospital, cant one get power of attorney?”

Yes, somtimes that’s possible, but in some states, if you’re not married you have no rights when the person dies. In some states power of attorney expires upon death. That’s why I said earlier that they can’t even claim the body, unless no one else does. Then, they can lose the children. It doesn’t matter that they may have been a child’s mommy since birth, because they aren’t a “spouse” the birthing parent’s relatives have more rights than the non-blood related mommy. Gee, can’t they adopt before there’s a problem? Not in some states. One of my co-workers is having that issue right now. She may lose the children she’s raised as her own since infancy (one of them for almost 10 years) because she’s not “related” and the mother’s health is going down hill.

RightWinged said:
“We’ve established that there are no conclusive studies on either side of this. The simple fact that people claim to be gay doesn’t mean they are, no matter how many times you jump up and down and insist it does. I just have to look at nature and recognize that a penis isn’t designed for an ass, it’s designed for a vagina, and part of an intricately designed process for producing offspring. If you think that it’s just a lucky coincidence for heteros, then I can help you. But nature is nature buddy. ”

Basically, you’re calling approx. 10% of the American population liars when they discuss whats going on in their own experiences and feelings. Given, as far as reproduction is concerned, penis/vagina is the only natural way. But here’s what your logic says. We should prohibit in-vitro fertilization for childless hetro couples. That’s unnatural. As far as sex for other purposes, are hetrosexual couples “unnatural” for having oral sex…it’s not been to many years ago, that could get them arrested. I know people that would call you a pervert if you made love in any position other than missionary? Because there are no studies that prove other positions are natural, can you prove you’re not a pervert? It’s the same logic you’re clinging to in saying it’s not true until it’s proved by scientific tests. Your own experiences don’t count. You are a liar and a pervert because you choose to let your wife on top.

allie..
Your examples confuse a few peoples choices made for whatever reason with an issue that has cost people their lives throughout the centuries. Do you know why homosexuals are called faggots or fags? Because in old England, a faggot was a bundle of wood used to fuel a fire and the punishment for homosexuality was burning. These people were dehumanize by comparing them to a bundle of wood. Today, there are still cases of “queers” being beaten and killed. There are cases of “queer” teens committing suicide because of the pressure to be “straight”. This isn’t an issue that is exclusively main stream american. It is cross cultural. If this was learned or a choice, do you really think there would be any “gays” in Iran or Egypt?

My bottom line stance is this. Any citizen of this country, not convicted of a felony, should be able to enjoy all the rights of citizenship and no right or privilege should be withheld from them simply because they are different.