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Jamilgate: What happened to the morgue? Update: Morgue identified

posted at 2:10 pm on December 13, 2006 by Allahpundit
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Got an interesting tip from a sharp-eyed reader this morning. A few days after Thanksgiving, back when Jamilgate was just starting to break, AP International Editor John Daniszewski issued a statement promising that a new, more complete article on the burning six was forthcoming. Included in the statement:

AP reporters who have been working in Iraq throughout the conflict learned of the mosque incident through witnesses and neighborhood residents and corroborated it with a named police spokesmen and also through hospital and morgue workers.

The new article hit the wires the next day. Quote:

One witness said he and other people from the neighborhood took the six immolation victims to the Sunni cemetery near Baghdad’s Abu Ghraib suburb and buried them after the gunbattle. That witness said one of the victims was the Mustafa mosque muezzin or prayer caller, Ahmed al-Mashadani. He did not know the names of the five others, but said they were all members of the al-Mashadani tribe.

Query: what happened to the hospital and morgue workers? That paragraph strongly implies that the locals took the corpses directly to the graveyard and the article doesn’t so much as mention a hospital or a morgue. How did the AP corroborate the story with workers at those locations if, presumably, they never even saw the bodies?

Assuming that the author was just sloppy and meant to say that the bodies were first taken to the morgue, isn’t there some documentation available that can verify they were there? Death certificate, coroner’s report? Something? It’s Jamil redux: instead of simply producing the concrete evidence which it claims exists and planting a big cream pie in the blogosphere’s face, the AP takes the ipse dixit approach. Why?

Update: Dan Riehl points to this AP article published two days before Daniszewski’s statement with details about the morgue.

Imad al-Hasimi, a Sunni elder in Hurriyah, confirmed Hussein’s account. He told Al-Arabiya television he saw people who were soaked in kerosene, then set afire.

Two workers at Kazamiyah Hospital said the bodies were taken to their morgue. They refused to be identified, saying they feared retribution.

Al-Hasimi later recanted his story, albeit after someone in Iraq’s Defense Ministry came to see him about it. Re: the morgue workers, though, that clearly bolsters AP’s version of the story. Why weren’t they mentioned in the second article, then? Is there documentation of the bodies being admitted to the hospital? If the AP’s got a smoking gun here, why not use it?


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Because they’re dumbasses!!

omnipotent on December 13, 2006 at 2:14 PM

Why doesn’t the angry blog rabble just go away?

JammieWearingFool on December 13, 2006 at 2:15 PM

… It’s Jamil redux: instead of simply producing the concrete evidence which it claims exists and planting a big cream pie in the blogosphere’s face, the AP takes the ipse dixit approach. Why?

Allapundit

Response #1:

Because they’re dumbasses!!

omnipotent on December 13, 2006 at 2:14 PM

“omnipotent,”

That got a laugh response out of me.

Thanks!

William

William2006 on December 13, 2006 at 2:18 PM

Because the money they get from the Arab states enhances their botton line greatly, they get absolutely no heat from them for publishing these,ahem.reports, and there is no authority they need to answer to.

bbz123 on December 13, 2006 at 2:18 PM

Because the story is not true. It’s all made up. You know it. We know it. They know it. Something else everyone knows… deny it long enough and it will go away.

Griz on December 13, 2006 at 2:27 PM

WHY?? Because the problem with telling one lie is – that it must be followed by another – and another – and another. The AP cannot be trusted for whatever reason and the blogsphere should continue to pound them relentlessly. If one believes in the law of divine order then the AP needs to be called to account. As a Jew that has lived in Israel and served I am surprised that anyone has ever taken the AP and Rueters seriously.

When I hear wack jobs like Jimmy Carted say that his book was meant to help us see the other side of the conflict I GET SICK. Long ago I accepted the idea that most of the world dislikes Jews – for whatever reason. Israelis are used to lies from the world media – it is understood that Jews can take it.

iam7545 on December 13, 2006 at 2:36 PM

that most of the world dislikes Jews

If I may make a correction:that most of the world dislikes hates (despises) Jews

right2bright on December 13, 2006 at 2:43 PM

The term ipse dixit is incorrect here. Isn’t the term used when someone with CREDIBILITY says something unproven?

The AP has no credibility any more. NONE!

shooter on December 13, 2006 at 3:12 PM

We KNOW what happened to the morgue. It ceased to be conveniently explanable with verifiable truth so it “disappeared”…and that is because this entire story is a LIE. You cant disprove it tho because now it is in Urban Legendland and that means it MUST be true..right?

labwrs on December 13, 2006 at 3:48 PM

While most of the world does, indeed, hate Jews, only Islamists and socialists have done something about it. Islamists blow themselves up just for the hope they might take a Jew with them, but socialists (whether Marxist or Nazi) have murdered millions!

I fear the Democrat party may be next with a holocaust plan of their own!

stonemeister on December 13, 2006 at 3:50 PM

Dan has the answer at Riehl World.

sunny on December 13, 2006 at 4:15 PM

Associated “with terrorism” Propaganda. Baghdad Bob would be proud.

infidel on December 13, 2006 at 4:50 PM

If the AP’s got a smoking gun here, why not use it?

—Allahpundit

Because they are Liars, afraid to admit they got caught, and trying to cover their tracks.

Allah, you will tell me that I don’t have proof they are lying. Fine. After all this time, a preponderance of the evidence is that the ASSociated Press, al Reuters, the NY Times, and LA Times, and to some extent the WaPo are full of lying reporters and editors who have their own agenda and intend to bring down any power in charge of the US government because they think that is their primary function. They are wrong. They are stupid, and they are dishonest.

Whether you agree that there is evidence to support this doesn’t matter unless it is a court of law. I can judge for myself. Like the flattened houses you find after Hurricane Andrew, once you’ve seen the damage, you don’t have to have tremendous video or documentary evidence to prove the house got knocked down by a hurricane. Accept that they are liars and move on.org on down the road.

Subsunk

Subsunk on December 13, 2006 at 5:56 PM

How naive can we be?

They refused to be identified, saying they feared retribution.

So … what does this change?

Absolutely nothing.

Gregor on December 13, 2006 at 8:02 PM

… that clearly bolsters AP’s version of the story.

How do “unidentified witnesses” who may or may not exist bolster a story?

Gregor on December 13, 2006 at 8:04 PM

It so apparent they’re lying, it should be taught in journalism school

Chuck on December 13, 2006 at 10:17 PM

Remember CNN and Eason Jordan, I am not sure that AP doesnt have a similar deal with terrorist. You report what I approve, or you dont report at all. There is a history with the MSM.

mbell33 on December 14, 2006 at 1:58 PM

the real question isn’t “why aren’t the using it” but why wasn’t it used TO BEGIN WITH?

whatever happened to rounding out a story with founding factual back up?

One Angry Christian on December 14, 2006 at 1:58 PM

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