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Gmcjetpilot:

Some thoughts in response to what you wrote above. Your comments are italicized.

Fair enough, you think GW is doing a great job and people all over the world respect him and admire him and his policies. The news, Fox and other professional political analyst (conservatives) and the American people believe BUSH has done a terrible JOB. GW’s approval is in the trash (30%) nationally and globally.

One of the earlier responses to you pointed out that the rest of the world was anti-American well before President Bush, that there were many, many terrorist attacks against Americans and American interests before president Bush, and that there will be raging anti-Americanism well after President Bush is out of office.

So, claiming the world hates us b/c of Pres. Bush is foolish. Yes, no one is arguing that much of the world does not like Pres. Bush. So what? The only president those people would like is someone who refuses to pursue American interests or protect America. Does that mean we should stop protecting America, or America’s interests b/c the rest of the world hates America and always will? Indeed, which country’s “love” should we base all of your foreign policy decisions on?

Moreover, just b/c Bush has low approval ratings does not mean he is necessarily doing a bad job as President. For instance, Clinton had fairly high approval ratings, but my guess is that in about 20 years, he will be seen as an average at best president (quick, name one thing he did that will be remembered in 10 years). Meanwhile, Truman and Eisenhower both had lackluster polls while in office, but their status as good to great presidents continues to grow as the fruits of their policies are better understood years later. Thus, it is impossible to tell how history will treat GWB for many, many years. Current polling does nothing to tell us that. I happen to like some of his policies and dislike others. I support what he is trying to accomplish in Iraq, and in the War on Terror in general, and support the other steps he has taken to prevent another terrorist attack on American soil. I support his tax policies. I did not support his immigration plan, No child Left Behind, Medicare Plan B, or his signing of McCain-Fiengold. I do support his judicial appointments. So, as in all things, a mixed-bag.

It’s NOT my opinion, its people world wide who hate Bush and his policies, De facto America. He is in charge and responsible. Deal with it.

As pointed out above, so what? Sometimes, leading means taking unpopular positions. I understand that liberals cannot understand this, as only feelings matter to liberals. Moreover, as pointed out above, I, and most thinking people, really don’t care what “people world wide” think. People are anti-American for a lot of reasons, and almost none of those reasons are what you believe them to be. Foreign nations and peoples want to pull America down in order to further their own interests (be it trade, military power, etc), not b/c of some wonderful altruism that only the “rest of the world” can come up with.

Just tune in BBC for a week, it makes the New York Times look like Fox news. Call me stupid, ignorant and crazy, ho hum, Facts?

And this means what or proves what? That the BBC is incredibly biased toward socialism and liberalism? I think we knew that.

Say its the terrorist fault, I’d agree with that 100%, but the world opinion has turned against the USA. America, the strongest nation in the world, can say screw them. I do all the time when I hear the word France, however this “up-yours policy” has consequences, one being people hate us. Stupid World.

Yes, that’s right, America has “turned its back on the world”. Except that’s not even remotely true. And, as I’ve tried to explain above, the “rest of the world’s” hatred of the U.S. is generally based in their own self-interest, which often conflicts with America’s interests. Why should we prize everyone else’s self-interest above our own? What country should we be trying to placate (as every other country’s interests do not align with each other, by placating one, we will be pissing of another) – Germany? France? Saudi Arabia? Russia? China? North Korea? Cuba?

What country do you see as the standard that we must bow to in pursuing foreign policy?

WHY do they hate us? Because we are not winning Iraq.

Not one single country “hates” us b/c of Iraq. Instead, many countries see Iraq as a means of attacking us and making us look weak, or trying to achieve whatever ends they are looking for. Anti-Americans saw this as a means to attack the country (through protests and condemnations) and did so. If it was not Iraq, it would be something else. Moreover, the idea that those peoples and/or countries would not hate us if we were “winning” in Iraq (according to your definition) is absurd.

I find it interesting that so many countries and people “hate” America because we invaded Iraq with the intention of establishing democracy, but ignore much, much worse behavior from Castro, China, all of the Islamic countries, many African nations, to name a few. Is it because they genuinely “hate” the idea of one country invading another, a la Iraq, or because they hate America and this is a reason to protest? If the former, then their silence about so many other worse things in the world is strange.

If “mission accomplished” in 2003 was really accomplished and peace and democracy was flourishing today Bush and America would be heroes.

I’m not so sure that is true. However, even assuming that it would be true, since when has trying to accomplish something great and noble (establishing democracy in Iraq) become so “evil” simply because it did not work (assuming, as you seem to, that Iraq is a lost cause)? Hindsight is always 20/20.

Than there is that little detail of no WMD’s or 9/11 connection, which kind of pissed off a few people. Go figure, spoiled sports.

Again, hindsight is 20/20. Everyone thought there were WMDs. Clinton said it in 1998, the UN said it, all the major dem leaders said it at one time or another between 1993 and 2002. All the intelligence agency’s believed it, and Saddam’s government acted like it had them. So, we acted on that belief. It was reasonable to do so.

When you bomb, occupy and wage war which precipitates 100,000’s killed (and your reasons for starting the war turn out to be wrong) people are going to be mad. Do Ya think?

So? If the reasons to go to war were right, and based on the best available information, then so be it.

At least CARTER did not lie. He was a terriable politician but was honest, too honest.

Well, Carter did try to get the Communist USSR to help him in is re-election campaign, which is probable treasonous. He also has lied repeatedly since leaving office, and his new book is almost nothing but lies. So you are wrong. Not only is he not “too honest” but he is perhaps one of the worst individuals to ever hold the presidency. Based on this words and actions since leaving the presidency, I think he is a very, very bad person with low moral character and a general contempt or hatred for America.

Why are we losing? Too many mistakes to name. Who is in charge? Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld, a cabal that listened to no one and the rubber stamp congress who did not do their job. Bad combo. Lesson learned, never have one party run everything because its a recipe for corruption, incompetence and hubris.

Does this mean you are going to vote for a republican for president in 2008? Somehow, I doubt it. Everything else here is opinion, not fact, and is a whole other argument, so I won’t respond to it.

I don’t understand the hard core “go down with the ship” support of GW and hate for Pres Carter. I get denial, wanting to pretend its ok and misplaced party loyalty but get real.

Look, if you actually read conservative web-sites and magazines, you would know this is not even remotely true. Just because we don’t agree with you on impeachment, does not mean we agree with everything done by the administration. I still think GWB has done a lot of good things as president, and was a far better alternative than Gore or Kerry. Carter is hated because of his words and deeds since leaving office, which are error filled, lies, and show a contempt and hatred for America unrivaled in anything in American history for an ex-president.

Look one last thing about CARTER. He inherited the county from Nixon/Ford in 1977 with “Stagflation”, double-digit inflation, suffering the effects the Vietnam War, and Watergate (Richard “I’m not a crook” Nixon), raging energy crisis and the Iran hostage thing, which was out of left field, much like 9/11; I feel sorry for him.

Iran Hostage crisis was not out of left field. Many of his own actions led to the revolution in Iran. And his handling of the matter was abysmal and made it go on much longer than it should have. Moreover, his own policies helped cause “stagflation” and he certainly did nothing good for America. However, it was a difficult time and if he was not so bad as an ex-president, he would simply be remembered as someone in over his head. Unfortunately, he has created his own legacy by showing his hatred for America in everything he says and does.

We all agree Carter’s presidency was a disaster of the first order, but as a humanitarian post public office he’s done good; he was just the wrong man for President. You can legitimately disagree with his stand on Israel. Just because he is not 100% pro green light go Israel’s policies does not make him an anti-semite. No rational person thinks that. He wants peace with all his soul. Give him some credit.

Look, that is such a straw man. No one says that not being 100% pro-isreal makes someone an anti semite. It is his lies about isreal, compounded with his lies in favor of the PLO, and his words and actions that demonstrate that he is an anti-semite. Carter’s work with habitat for humanity has been good. Everything else he has done has been for the benefit of socialism and America’s enemies. He has never met an anti-American leftist dictator or terrorist who he does not love (Chavez, Castro, N.K.’s guy). Carter is always willing to take the position against his country, no matter what it is. Your willingness to overlook that and defend him is strange.

You are really long winded, so I’ll only address one more point:

Carter was Anti-Iraq war! I guess he can say to us, I told you so? Hey I was all for the Iraq war because I believed the goverment. I believed WMD’s, 9/11 connection, only 6 months at most, greeted as liberators, only a small force and cost will be needed. I’ll not make that mistake again.

- A) WMD’s – both sides of the aisle believed they were there.

- B) nobody from the Administration ever said that Iraq was connected to 9/11, despite what leftist blogs claim (get me a cite to a mainstream media article quoting someone from before the war if you dispute this);

- c) cite me where anyone from the administration ever claimed “6 months at most”

I think some people claimed we would be greeted as liberators, and I think initially, we were, at least by the Shi’ite majority. As to small force and costs, I’m not entirely sure that small costs were ever promised, nor was a small force. Thus, your entire point is based upon a false premise.

We must be united or we’ll fall. Put your Dem / Carter hating away and join today’s reality. God Bless America and her people. Merry Christmas.

wonderful sentiment. If you support GWB I’ll stop hating Carter.

GreatBanana on December 13, 2006 at 3:26 PM