Video: Barack Obama on Monday Night Football
posted at 9:52 am on December 12, 2006 by Allahpundit
Apparently the Today crew was all aglow over this this morning. I like to picture the Clintons sitting together watching it, she with a look of annoyance, he trying to suppress a smile at the slickness of it all.
John Dickerson identifies Obama’s problem, such as it is:
[C]oolness doesn’t get you elected, and coolness wasn’t what had the New Hampshire audiences even more excited after they heard Obama speak. They were in love with the senator’s message, a call to political renewal and rebirth that eschews what he calls the “24-hour, slash-and-burn, negative-ad, bickering, small-minded politics.”…
If he decides to run, Obama faces the difficulty of any politician campaigning against politics as usual—he can’t act politically or he ruins his brand… If voters stay in such a deep state of affection, they may get disappointed some day when he doesn’t walk on water.
He has acted politically, though: according to the New York Post, he’s got a perfect rating from lefty lobbyists Americans for Democratic Action — five points to the left of Teddy Kennedy, in fact. On the other hand, he’s got absolutely no foreign policy experience. Howard Kurtz thinks that makes him unelectable; I think it’s just the opposite. Decades of Bakerite realism got us to 9/11; three years of Bush’s idealism got us to the brink of civil war in Iraq. Why not try an unknown quantity?
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My bad, AlexK. You (and irishsquid) are exactly right.
BacaDog on December 12, 2006 at 1:44 PM
honora–You know who else didn’t like comparisons? Hitler.
Alex K on December 12, 2006 at 1:44 PM
Hmmm we can use Jesus H Christ here; I suppose that allows Mohammed H Allah as well….heh!!
MarkB on December 12, 2006 at 1:46 PM
Really? What political benefit, in your real world of ‘what is’, do you see for the Republicans in trying to use Obama’s middle name as a political liability?
Slublog on December 12, 2006 at 1:46 PM
Obama should just go without a middle name.
Like Hitler.
Alex K on December 12, 2006 at 1:47 PM
Or Jesus, or Mother Teresa, or Mahatma Gandhi, or Brad KY
Bradky on December 12, 2006 at 1:49 PM
*tweak*
dalewalt on December 12, 2006 at 1:50 PM
Congrats, you found 3 out of 100 posts. Sorry, but I wouldn’t call that harping on his color. The majority of debate hear was on his name, experience and suitability for office.
fogw on December 12, 2006 at 1:50 PM
…….and to think, they actually taught history when I went to school. My wife says I can be an idiot sometimes. She’s just being nice, though.
BacaDog on December 12, 2006 at 1:50 PM
here, sorry.
fogw on December 12, 2006 at 1:51 PM
To explain, the reason I’m concerned about the use of Obama’s middle name as a political issue is that I think it will backfire on Republicans in a big way.
Obama is a great speaker, and slick as all heck. Just imagine the Barbara Walters/Larry King/Oprah interview where he forcefully denounces Republicans for this tactic. He’ll mention his father and his grandmother, and likely do so in a way that appeals to the general sense of fair play that Americans have when it comes to politics.
The Republicans will come out of that looking like skunks.
Slublog on December 12, 2006 at 1:53 PM
I really thought there were no posts before I realized that there were indeed posts before I spoke .. John Kerry
Bradky on December 12, 2006 at 1:53 PM
Dalewatt
Actually Allah interjected it when he asked for relevance to pointing out the mans middle name was “Hussein”.
MarkB on December 12, 2006 at 1:53 PM
I get your point and agree, but in the context it was used, I think it was a valid point, which doesn’t need to be seen as a comparison.
People do often listen to charisma without listening to the message behind that charisma. Charisma alone, does not a good leader make.
Esthier on December 12, 2006 at 1:57 PM
JHC, honora, irishsquid compared him to slick orators, which both KENNEDY and Hitler were. And by using both, he points out that one should look past the skin of slick oratary skills to the more meaty principles that skin covers.
It’s not stupid or nonsense, just annoying to you.
————–
BacaDog, Nuremburg was the city Hitler used for his party rallies and one of the reasons the Allies chose that location for the trials.
Dusty on December 12, 2006 at 2:00 PM
Again, it wasn’t my comment, but it didn’t appear to me that it was made in a serious manner. If you’re not specifically a supporter of Obama, why act personally offended that someone might make a reference to his middle name?
That’s the gist of all I was saying.
But as an aside, for someone who isn’t a supporter of his, you spent a lot of time defending him on this thread.
Esthier on December 12, 2006 at 2:01 PM
No lie there, BacaDog – they already do… Ever heard of PooPets?
tickleddragon on December 12, 2006 at 2:03 PM
Hehe… “stool” pigeon…
And someone is making money from that. Egads, only in America!!
tickleddragon on December 12, 2006 at 2:07 PM
Agreed there are way too many comparisons to Hitler or Nazis but by in large they come from the left and moonbats. So when can we expect them to stop making said comparisons Honora? (starts holding my breath..heh)
Slublog…many Americans will draw negative images if Obama is referred to Barack Hussein Obama as many Americans got positive images from William Jefferson Clinton. Was either truly relevant…No. Was either politically relevant…Yes.
What is he going to denounce….people calling him by his given name? Face it he is a liberal, when he believes it will gain him political favor he will play the race card. Personally I hope he plays it often, each time he does he alienates more votes than he gains. One can only cry wolf so many times before you are viewed as the wolf.
MarkB on December 12, 2006 at 2:13 PM
Actually, matd pointed out that the mans’ middle name was Hussein; Allah just asked why it mattered.
dalewalt on December 12, 2006 at 2:15 PM
No, the attempts to use it agaist him. Let’s face it – the reason people want to point out his middle name is because they believe (wrongly, in my opinion) that doing so might make people think he’s somehow associated with Islamic extremism.
You’ve mentioned twice now that we should look at the way things are. Fine, let’s do that.
Look at how the media is treating Obama now. He has not announced yet, and he’s already the object of adulation. If Republicans spend time referring to him by his full name, there will be stories and news analyis about the ‘dark motives’ behind such a move, and Obama will become a victim of the “right wing attack machine.”
That’s why I think Republicans should just drop it and focus on the guy’s voting record and future plans.
Slublog on December 12, 2006 at 2:23 PM
BacaDog
Nuremburg rallies not trials.
irishsquid on December 12, 2006 at 2:24 PM
Sorry BacaDog. Missed your last post.
irishsquid on December 12, 2006 at 2:25 PM
LOL!!
honora on December 12, 2006 at 2:26 PM
I find you to be one of the most balanced of the loyal opposition on this board, as you like factual back-fro.
Sometimes, though, I smile at the dual standards…i.e. what control does Mr. Bush 43 have over his walk, his looks, his mingling of words and other ticks. Yet, they are/have been in the news a lot, much also in commentaries from your side.
What a fabulous ad for free enterprise. Love it! Remember the “pet rock”. It sold plenty.
By 2008 we will have had a huge reality check and all this will have been a small exercise and quite amusing.
honora, cheer up, lady!
Entelechy on December 12, 2006 at 2:28 PM
Sorry Jaibones, the “Bless his smallness” was meant to be my comment to your quote (inserted in the wrong spot :(
Entelechy on December 12, 2006 at 2:30 PM
One more thing…just like Colombo…
Heh, Bob, they are rapidly becoming the majority.
Entelechy on December 12, 2006 at 2:34 PM
Hey boys and girls.
Don’t read too much into this. It is just a clever way to introduce the game, taking a topical approach and making it funny. That’s all.
Just remember, sports fans. There is ONLY on important message here: *DA BEARS!*
We now return to our regular scheduled political posturing.
georgej on December 12, 2006 at 2:38 PM
The national press and Hollywood jumped on board once their glorious communist ally/sponsor was under attack.
Plus, rank&file press, and the then very strong unions did not have to face the anguish of supporting a Republican president in time of war.
Plus, overwhelming application of force highlighted by unrestrainedly pressing the advantage of air superiority, all delivered by a huge army of conscripts.
Stephen M on December 12, 2006 at 2:40 PM
Thank you Dusty. My intention exactly.
irishsquid on December 12, 2006 at 2:42 PM
The election cycle is young. He’s bound to walk on his d$%k with golf shoes sooner or later.
E L Frederick (Sniper One) on December 12, 2006 at 2:46 PM
Like most people I had been thinking the NFC this year was the Bears (sorry, da Bears) and everybody else. Think those Saints may give you a run for your money. (Think neither of you will be able to beat San Diego in the SB!!)
honora on December 12, 2006 at 2:48 PM
Great observation, Brad; you really nailed that one. Hawaii is truly a melting pot.
Jaibones on December 12, 2006 at 2:48 PM
Did you see my post re e-mail?
honora on December 12, 2006 at 2:49 PM
For the Bears fans:
Memories.
Slublog on December 12, 2006 at 2:56 PM
A Bears fan reluctantly concurs. I spilled my Bears Kool-Aid during the Arizona game.
irishsquid on December 12, 2006 at 3:00 PM
My apologies for my Hitler rant earlier. The older I get, the less control I have on my temper. That can’t be good.
What kinda sucks for Bears fans is that everyone outside of Cook County is going to be rooting for the Saints for obvious reasons. Regardless, that team has to have some kind of record for best team with worst QB–it’s really almost impossible to believe.
honora on December 12, 2006 at 3:07 PM
Dale
This is what I saw. I added the ‘strong-bold’. Again your comment was why the thread turned this way. This was my answer. I believe there was a “mattered” earlier in the post by Allahpundit. In either case they evoked some of the responses that were forthcoming.
You’re saying it should be swept under the rug? In this day and age it’s revelant.
In what way is it relevant? Please do spell out your logic as to why a guy with the name “Hussein” is, by that very fact, suspect.
How did we ever defeat Germany with a guy named Eisenhower in charge, anyway?
Allahpundit on December 12, 2006 at 11:45 AM
Slublog
If you believe conservatives need to play nice, while liberals continue their campaigns of casting aspersions, and character assasinations….I disagree.
Barack Hussein Obama does need to clarify where he stands on the islamic terrorists and their religion of violence. I care and daresay the majority of American care.
MarkB on December 12, 2006 at 3:20 PM
Sure I think we should play hardball.
But that doesn’t mean we should swan dive into the gutter with guilt by association arguments.
Slublog on December 12, 2006 at 3:33 PM
Hillary is behind this guy.
How do I know this?
Because he appears to be a sane man.
Only an insane man would get between Hillary and her ambition to be president.
Labamigo on December 12, 2006 at 3:37 PM
I’d prefer to use his real middle name:
Barack No Executive Experience whatsoever in either business or politics Obama.
A president has to lead, prove clear guidance and pick as best he can the right people to head the agencies that even manage government business. The nation has complex negotiations going on at all times, domestically, internationally, then throw on top of all that the crisis – multiple, either natural or man-made. Raw talent a man or woman may have, but it needs to be tempered with real experience to be effective. On the surface, Obama has just two years of political experience. People who think that’s sufficient have a school-yard comprehension of the role and duties of each of the three branches of American Government : Executive, Legislative and Judicial and how they interact with each other. What’s the equivalent jump in another profession to put it in perspective? Substitute teacher to Superintendent of Schools, perhaps?
Carter was a classic example of a politician being over his head, executively, administratively and politically. He clutched on the big stuff, but huddled in mundane matters that he should have delegated, such as scheduling of the White House tennis courts.
The MSM is promoting Obama like crazy. They haven’t offered much in the way of explanation apart from “star quality,” an ephemeral and fleeting thing, not particularly suited for the hard slog of defending the nation. If they have more, they should pony up. If they don’t, will it be a surprise that voters come to the conclusion that there isn’t anything else?
naliaka on December 12, 2006 at 3:47 PM
I never said that conservatives need to play nice, just play like grownups. (You’re name is Peter? snicker snicker, hey Peter, how’s ol’ Peter. Where’s your friend Richard, you know, Dick)
Discussing someone’s (possible) interest in the Presidency by talking about his name is about as ridiculous and childish as you can get. I’d expect that from my 4-yr old grandson.
dalewalt on December 12, 2006 at 3:54 PM
Good lord, is he ever a dork.
The Ugly American on December 12, 2006 at 3:55 PM
Honora wrote: “What kinda sucks for Bears fans is that everyone outside of Cook County is going to be rooting for the Saints for obvious reasons. Regardless, that team has to have some kind of record for best team with worst QB–it’s really almost impossible to believe.”
Heh-heh.
Honora, you’re ALWAYS on the wrong side of an issue, even football. ;^)
For the record: DA BEARS 42, Rams 27
So, perhaps the only time in his life so far, Osama (er, Obama) might have gotten it right.
georgej on December 12, 2006 at 3:57 PM
Then again, I find all of those MNF commentators a tad dorkish.
The Ugly American on December 12, 2006 at 4:00 PM
I am fully enjoying the panty twisting my comment has caused.
My tongue-in-cheek point was this: the false justification people may use to vote FOR him (he speaks well, has a nice voice, boxers or briefs) makes about as much sense as NOT voting for him based on his middle name, Muslim background, etc.
matd on December 12, 2006 at 4:24 PM
His over inflated head will explode any time now.
R D on December 12, 2006 at 4:32 PM
Troublemaker.
dalewalt on December 12, 2006 at 4:36 PM
It was slick, give him credit for it. If later he actually runs then we can go after him for all reasons stated here.
I’m sure we’ll find even more issues with him as he campaigns.
However for now I give him some credit, for a brief moment he got me. I’m from St Louis, I and a group of friends where in a popular Restaurant/Bar waiting for the game to start. When his spot started and I caught the first few words I made everyone at my table be quiet so I could hear. When it was over I laughed, he got me.
Loosen up people enjoy a laugh now and then. The time to get deadly serious is coming.
Take care all
Bogeyfre on December 12, 2006 at 4:58 PM
He’s just building his cult. Watch out for the Kool Aid!
R D on December 12, 2006 at 5:01 PM
Obviously Allahpundit is on the PC bandwagon now. Everyone should know that Barack HUSSEIN Obama is of Arabic descent. Possibly muslim. Why should that be hidden, AP? What’s wrong with full disclosure?
People should know his motivations, background and values. If in fact he is a black muslim in the mould of a NOI member, we should know that too. Muslims are suspect until they prove otherwise.
Andy in Agoura Hills on December 12, 2006 at 5:05 PM
You are drawing your own conclusions from his name, just as many drew a different conclusion when Clinton allowed the usage of his middle name Jefferson. You really never answer the argument why you have no problem with one, but the other is somehow off limits. He should get the bad with the good.
If his middle name causes him some heartache so be it. Its no different than a slick tongue getting him glory and adulation from the fawning liberal MSM. If you can’t condemn the positive with equal fervor, don’t expect any sympathy from this corner for Barack Hussein Obama.
My last post on the subject. If you wish the final words are yours.
MarkB on December 12, 2006 at 5:13 PM
And you are a bigot until you prove otherwise.
JaHerer22 on December 12, 2006 at 5:13 PM
A little positive stereotyping here. As a runner, I have great respect for the toughness of Kenyans. Maybe he’s got it.
mikeyboss on December 12, 2006 at 5:14 PM
Fair enough humor … but who paid for it? Somebody else up in the posts pointed this out, but let’s expand on it: This isn’t just sitting at the end of the bar making a good enough joke … it was film, make-up, producer, director, how many people contributed to it? Were they paid or were they voluntary? If voluntary, what was their contribution worth? Who made the decision to air it? Or did he buy air time? It was a big game, how much is a 30 second spot? 60 second spot? Talk about swing with the media. Did the network give him the time? How much would the IRS calculate that’s worth? Can’t imagine any Republican getting any chance for such an opportunity.
Would a quarter of a million dollars ($250,000) convey the magnitude of that ostensibly simple thing? Not bad for a senator’s salary who isn’t running for anything …
naliaka on December 12, 2006 at 5:17 PM
Ahh JaHerr a name caller…so PC of you. Add something worth reading take your name calling to KOS.
MarkB on December 12, 2006 at 5:27 PM
Ok, I think I started the meme earlier about calling the senator by his full name (and later posted that I was being facetious) and it’s sparked a whole debate here. Call it a “botched joke” or whatever, but I could see Rush Limbaugh doing it as he likes to have fun with the names of other prominent libs (Puff Daschle, et. al.).
Anyhoo, in the interest of balance, I did run across this at the NRO Corner today – apparently CNN is jumping on the bandwagon –
CP on December 12, 2006 at 5:40 PM
Really? Thanks. You’re a champ.
Those are my last words.
Slublog on December 12, 2006 at 5:48 PM
And you are a bigot until you prove otherwise.
JaHerer22 on December 12, 2006 at 5:13 PM
Really? How about racist, or Islamophobe or whatever you people (and by that I mean, PC-bullshit artists) are using now?
During WWII Japanese were interned in relocation camps. Not all were disloyal, many were. The same holds for Arabs/Muslims. If fact, they are even worse because the Koran calls for them to abide only by Koranic law, sharia. The laws of their host country are irrelevent. Especially when they are at war.
Of course everyone knows that the murdering jihadis are a small minority and that 99% of muslims have reported suspicious behavior in their community to the police, have opened their mosques to the FBI, have organized many protests against terrorism, have volunteered in droves to help the DHS, and have sung kumbaya and handed out lollipops and kittens.
Fool.
Andy in Agoura Hills on December 12, 2006 at 6:01 PM
And you are a bigot until you prove otherwise.
JaHerer22 on December 12, 2006 at 5:13 PM
Really? How about racist, or Islamophobe or whatever you people (and by that I mean, PC-b.s. artists) are using now?
During WWII Japanese were interned in relocation camps. Not all were disloyal, many were. The same holds for Arabs/Muslims. If fact, they are even worse because the Koran calls for them to abide only by Koranic law, sharia. The laws of their host country are irrelevent. Especially when they are at war.
Of course everyone knows that the murdering jihadis are a small minority and that 99% of muslims have reported suspicious behavior in their community to the police, have opened their mosques to the FBI, have organized many protests against terrorism, have volunteered in droves to help the DHS, and have sung kumbaya and handed out lollipops and kittens.
Fool.
Andy in Agoura Hills on December 12, 2006 at 6:02 PM
The article you referenced stated specifically “I’ve written many times on racial preference policies for native Hawaiians that use a noxious “blood purity” test to benefit the privileged from everyone else. The madness continues.” – Malkin comment in referenced article
That covers 9% of the population. Read the information below. And consider that there is quite a bit of intermarriage between ethnicities such as Chinese-Korean, etc. According to http://www.lib.umich.edu/govdocs/census2/davidsen.ppt the mixed race responses for the US as a whole in 2000 were 2-3%.
So yes JaiBones I did nail it.
Following information comes from http://hawaii.state-capitals.com/state.html
Race
As of 2000, the population was estimated to be 1,211,537 and the racial breakdown is as follows:
White 24.28%
Black or African American 1.82%
American Indian and Alaska Native 0.29%
Asian 41.59%
Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander 9.37%
Some other race 1.25%
Mixed race 21.41%
Bradky on December 12, 2006 at 6:09 PM
Andy,
Your idea will backfire. Lots of black Americans who are not Muslim have Arabic names (including one of my sisters; it has been big trendy naming thing among black families since the seventies.)
BTW, Andy, Lebanon’s Pierre Gimayel was most certainly an Arab. Didn’t stop him of many of his family members from being murdered. Did I mention that he was a Christian?
Inform yourself and stop having a cow before Allahpundit bans you.
baldilocks on December 12, 2006 at 6:17 PM
Recommend you take a look at http://www.answers.com/topic/japanese-american-internment to see a few of the facts on this.
Balidlocks is right – how would you enforce this. For example 5% of the population in the Phillipines is Muslim – does this mean we lock up anyone in the US who is of Phillipine lineage? Of course not but hysteria has a funny way of warping good common sense.
In my opinion the internment of WW2 was a sad chapter in our history and we should be very cautious in any en masse approaches to restrict freedoms of entire groups of people in the present.
Bradky on December 12, 2006 at 6:30 PM
Hmmm…chuckles at the PC enforcement on the board, obviously Balidlocks is a card carrying member. Last I heard it was only advocating a military policy of nuclear bombs against middle eastern countries. Ahh the domino effect still lives.
I suppose Balidlocks will be advocating the ban of Michelle from the board as well, after all I am certain she has a book on the Japanese internment of World War II and the enemies that were within our midst.
Ahh….No more vents with Michelle….all from the PC police running amok on the board.
Suggests having a liitle Pork and leaving the Cows alone.
MarkB on December 12, 2006 at 7:09 PM
Andy,
Your idea will backfire. Lots of black Americans who are not Muslim have Arabic names (including one of my sisters; it has been big trendy naming thing among black families since the seventies.)
That’s interesting but totally irrelevent. If HUSSEIN is a muslim he should say so. If he holds the same values as muslims we should know.
BTW, Andy, Lebanon’s Pierre Gimayel was most certainly an Arab. Didn’t stop him of many of his family members from being murdered. Did I mention that he was a Christian?
You also didn’t mention he was murdered by…wait for it…muslims. Shocka!!!
Inform yourself and stop having a cow before Allahpundit bans you.
I’ll say what I please. If he wants to ban me, go ahead. I’ll have my say.
baldilocks on December 12, 2006 at 6:17 PM
Andy in Agoura Hills on December 12, 2006 at 7:17 PM
Balidlocks is right – how would you enforce this. For example 5% of the population in the Phillipines is Muslim – does this mean we lock up anyone in the US who is of Phillipine lineage? Of course not but hysteria has a funny way of warping good common sense.
In my opinion the internment of WW2 was a sad chapter in our history and we should be very cautious in any en masse approaches to restrict freedoms of entire groups of people in the present.
Hello…hello…is this thing on? Ahem, we are at WAR. Suggest YOU do some research. Read the U.S. Constitution, pay particular attention to Section 9 “The privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.” The public safety required it then and requires it now. Additionally, AP boss, you know, Malkin, wrote a book on this. You should read that too.
Andy in Agoura Hills on December 12, 2006 at 7:22 PM
I suppose Balidlocks will be advocating the ban of Michelle from the board as well, after all I am certain she has a book on the Japanese internment of World War II and the enemies that were within our midst.
You’re right. Fools to the left of me, fools to the right. And here I am stuck in the middle with appeasement monkeys.
Andy in Agoura Hills on December 12, 2006 at 7:24 PM
I don’t have to present my conservative, no-PC credentials to you, pal.
I am amused, however, that your criticism of “me” is couched in your own projection, since it is you–along with the person I mentioned–who are conducting advocacy of another sort of banning.
And what does Michelle’s book about internment have to do with what I said? The first-, and second-generation Japanese Americans of the WWII era are in no way comparable to black Americans who happens to be named Jamal or Malik because his mom thought the name sounded nice.
But okay, don’t listen to me. Go right ahead and keep traveling down the road you’re going, slinging mud at people because of their names. I’m sure that all the rest of the Republican conservatives in this country will be thanking you some day. BTW, that last sentence is sarcasm.
baldilocks on December 12, 2006 at 7:29 PM
Andy, See above to MarKB and note.
baldilocks on December 12, 2006 at 7:30 PM
I think I contribute enough worth reading to earn the occasional one liner. And please, I may be liberal many things but don’t paint me as PC. I hate everything about “PC” and would gladly fight with any of you to destory it.
JaHerer22 on December 12, 2006 at 7:42 PM
That was great. Very clever.
People *want* to like a politician. Look at cable news- a huge portion of it is reporting on polls of other people’s opinions. We care what other people think. We are craving something or someone to rally behind. Likability cannot be overestimated in this coming election.
So Obama having it may well be enough.
ps. Bill is probably on the phone to Berkel, begging him to buy the Rangers or the Nicks so Hillary can have a team to hang out with. Or is Rutgers close enough to New York to warrant a Clinton visit to the Texas bowl? I’m seeing a Scarlet Knight cowboy hat in her near future.
MayBee on December 12, 2006 at 8:01 PM
I think I contribute enough worth reading to earn the occasional one liner. And please, I may be liberal many things but don’t paint me as PC. I hate everything about “PC” and would gladly fight with any of you to destory it.
JaHerer22 on December 12, 2006 at 7:42 PM
Liar.
Andy in Agoura Hills on December 12, 2006 at 8:08 PM
I get the feeling the Dems aer going for the JFK thing all over again. Young. Handsome. Charismatic. Energetic. All fine qualities I guess but not exactly what I’m looking for to lead my country.
I always hear, Klinton was such a good speaker. he was so charismatic. He was so “likable”" bla bla bla. So what? Being a smooth talker doesn’t make you a good leader.
Yakko77 on December 12, 2006 at 8:11 PM
Well this has certainly become an unpleasant conversation. While I often disagree with JaHerer, I don’t think it’s appropriate to call his character or honesty into question.
Slublog on December 12, 2006 at 8:13 PM
Most Lebanese people (Gimayel’s family included) are of Semitic origin, the Arabs came much later. And as I mentioned a few weeks ago, Lebanon is the only Christian country left in the land where Christianity began. Parts of the Maronite Catholic Mass are still said in Aramaic, the language of Christ.
As for Obama, I’m with Michelle and Allah on this one, don’t look at his skin, care not what his parents named him. Judge him by his actions. To me, he’s just another liberal.
Zorro on December 12, 2006 at 8:35 PM
As for Obama, I’m with Michelle and Allah on this one, don’t look at his skin, care not what his parents named him. Judge him by his actions. To me, he’s just another liberal.
Which is my point, though I didn’t spell it out. Thanks.
baldilocks on December 12, 2006 at 8:39 PM
Darn you all got it all covered, nothing else to day:
Clinton bashing
Liberal Main Stream Media
Dems = Terrorism, aka Barack HUSSEIN Obama, must be related to Sadam Hussein
Personal attacks: “He is a lightweight empty suit without any practical executive experience” (btw that sounds like George W Bush, and look how good he turned out)
Young. Handsome. Charismatic. Energetic. All fine qualities I guess but not exactly what I’m looking for to lead my country. (Yea who needs a leader that inspires and is articulate, look how good G W. Bush turned out.)
I always hear, Clinton was such a good speaker. he was so charismatic. He was so “likable”” bla bla bla. So what? Being a smooth talker doesn’t make you a good leader. (Right, being inarticulate is the key to great leadership clearly.)
Yea HUSSEIN, we should hate him, he’s Arab. He’s a Democrat.
Hey Rocket Surgeons, way to go, brilliant political analysis of the first order.
Lets review, main stream media liberal bias, Clinton, Dems are for the terrorist or are actually terrorist. That seems to work for 99% of the post on conservative blogs. It is cool, it saves thinking and all that stuff, you know facts and effort.
gmcjetpilot on December 12, 2006 at 9:30 PM
Uh, huh.
And absolutely no conservatives disagreed with the views you presented, right? Or did you miss that part?
Slublog on December 12, 2006 at 9:42 PM
Brad, since you couldn’t manage the contradiction between your dreamy “melting pot” image and a society that wants to make blood purity for native Hawaiians into a racial preference, let’s see how you’ve tortured the race issue in the same idiotic post.
No. He defines himself as “black”. I think this is what people mean when they call him an empty suit. Liberals like you get to stuff things into it, and make whatever you think would be fun.
Do you actually know who we’re talking about anymore, or are you just making up stuff that sounds nice to you?
Jaibones on December 13, 2006 at 1:51 AM
Funny question considering you pass a link that mentions nothing about Woods. Try reading the article at http://www.pbs.org/newshour/essays/page_5-1.html which actually quotes Woods on how he views himself.
And to repeat my point so that you can understand Hawaii….has over 20% of the population which …..identifies themselves as mixed race….compared to 2-3% of the US as a total.
You have seen the links in previous posts. Read them or not but quit embarrassing yourself. I’m not bailing you out anymore.
Bradky on December 13, 2006 at 3:54 AM
The 2008 ticket will have some combo of Clinton and Obama on it.
rotorhead on December 13, 2006 at 8:16 AM
I hate to admit it, but well-done, self-effacing humor works every time it’s tried.
Aunt B on December 13, 2006 at 10:54 AM
I ran across a podcast (it’s short) from a guy that does a really good job in his research vetting out today’s political questions run through the gringer of history. It’s called “My History Can Beat Up Your Politics” and it’s pretty good. Each episode is about 15-20 minutes long and he’s very animated so it flies by.
Here’s one where he tackles the ‘experience matters’ question regarding B.O.. He makes a pretty good case for why experience doesn’t matter – charisma does.
d-rock on December 13, 2006 at 11:14 AM
well pal (sarcasm intended)….you are the one that suggested someone should be banned not I, you are the one that suggested someone was ill informed. If you can not understand when you are attacking the person as opposed to attacking his arguments, well it is doubtful I can be anymore enlightening. Mudslinging appears to be your forte not mine.
Secondly I never suggested banning/internment at this time, nor did Andy from what I read in his posts. That must me your own projection. I suggest common sense and not closing ones eyes to truths because some dont find it politically pleasing.
I have no problem traveling the road, I travel. Its a good road, an honorable road.
MarkB on December 13, 2006 at 11:25 AM
Brad, we’re talking two different languages on both points. I’ll concede that your point on Hawaii is not what I meant, and drop it.
And my link refers to Obama, not Woods. Woods is the role model for the world on multi-ethnic background in my opinion. “This is my background, if you really care, please don’t classify me, I’m just me.”
Obama is the one who claims to be black, which seems premeditated to achieve some purpose that I don’t claim to understand. But it does fly in the face of a Black American Myth that Chris Rock uses to play victim. He has said in his act that none of the middle class white guys in the audience would trade skin with him, a wealthy, famous, handsome young black guy. I always thought he was wrong, if only because every guy who is 1/4 black and 3/4 not, seems to think of himself as “black”.
Jaibones on December 13, 2006 at 12:15 PM
Jaibones,
Thanks for the reply. No disagreement from me on your observations about Obama (as he potrays himself at this point in time).
My main point about him is that if he moves away from that approach he stands a better chance of garnering more “in the middle” support. Not saying he will but hope springs eternal – whichever person of color that eventually becomes President needs to be of the I’m American first mold if the country is to finally put its obsession with race in the past.
Townhall has an interesting oped by Herman Cain(Godfather Pizza founder) about Tiger Woods in 2016 – partly tongue in cheek but good observations about character.
My kids are bi-racial and don’t play the “Are you x or y race today game” They are who they are – the rest is secondary. Their heritage is part of who they are but in and of itself doesn’t define the individual.
That’s why this particular aspect about Obama is of interest to me.
Hopefully, you understand my perspective a little better.
Bradky on December 13, 2006 at 12:41 PM
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