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Time mag shocker: Iran *hearts* Iraq Study Group

posted at 6:35 pm on December 9, 2006 by Allahpundit
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Surrender offered. Surrender accepted:

Three Iranian sources — a government official and two figures close to government policymakers — tell TIME that Mottaki’s statement is reflective of a solid consensus among the regime’s foreign-policy decision makers that restoring relations with the U.S. is in Iran’s best interests…

Some Iranian leaders and officials, including President Ahmadinejad, also believe that Iran now has the opportunity to deal with Washington from a position of strength, for the first time since the 1979 revolution. The sources say that this assessment is based on a perception that the U.S. is stuck in quagmires in Iraq and Afghanistan, while Iran’s influence in the region and throughout the Muslim world is expanding. These officials see further evidence of Iran’s advantage in the difficulties the U.S. continues to encounter in winning support for U.N. tough sanctions over Iran’s nuclear program. The sources say that Iranian officials believe that to open a serious dialogue with the U.S. in these circumstances would significantly enhance Iran’s international prestige and regional influence.

And Baker wants us to play along. To punctuate the point, today Ahmadinejad announced they’re moving ahead with the nuke program. The pressure’s on Bush to talk and they know it, so they’re going to push him as hard as they can to make it as humiliating as possible to do so. Want to chat? Here are 3,000 new centrifuges. Want to negotiate? Here’s a power play to take over Lebanon. “Take the deal,” whisper the Bakerites. “Legitimize it.”

How about the Kurds? Do they want in on this deal too? Hard to say — the ISG never asked them.

The Kurdish leader Massoud Barzani has angrily rejected the recommendations of the Iraq Study Group in the United States and warned of “grave consequences” if there is any delay in deciding the fate of the oil-rich region claimed by his people.

Mr Barzani, president of the 15-year-old autonomous Kurdish region in northern Iraq and a staunch ally of the US, also criticised the ISG for not visiting his region, saying that was a “major shortcoming that adversely influenced the credibility of the assessment”.

Mr Barzani said the high-profile panel led by the former US secretary of state James Baker, which released its report on Wednesday, had ignored a letter he sent it outlining Kurdish views. “It seemed as if they had not read it at all,” he said.

Meanwhile, Pelosi’s intel chair can’t tell Sunnis from Shiites, which means he’s just about as well informed as some Republicans and the head of the FBI’s counterterrorism division. It’s a comfort to know our side of the aisle isn’t the only one woefully ignorant of the geopolitics of a region where we have 150,000 troops stationed.

But it’s a cold, cold comfort.

Al Qaeda is what, I asked, Sunni or Shia?

“Al Qaeda, they have both,” Reyes said. “You’re talking about predominately?”

“Sure,” I said, not knowing what else to say.

“Predominantly — probably Shiite,” he ventured.

He couldn’t have been more wrong…

And Hezbollah? I asked him. What are they?

“Hezbollah. Uh, Hezbollah…”

He laughed again, shifting in his seat.

“Why do you ask me these questions at five o’clock? Can I answer in Spanish? Do you speak Spanish?”

“Pocito,” I said—a little.

“Pocito?! “ He laughed again.

“Go ahead,” I said, talk to me about Sunnis and Shia in Spanish.

Reyes: “Well, I, uh….”

Reyes, of course, also wants 20,000 to 30,000 more troops for Iraq in a last-ditch attempt to crush the militias. There are signs that al-Maliki might finally sign off on that: a joint military task force arrested al-Sadr’s deputy in Kut yesterday and the L.A. Times is reporting that U.S. forces finally have carte blanche to stage raids in Shiite neighborhoods to search for the American soldier kidnapped last month.


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That man needs to get laid. What a toad.

seejanemom on December 9, 2006 at 6:44 PM

Reyes is the best the “We have a plan” Democrats have to offer?

Gawd, we’re doomed…

Spiny Norman on December 9, 2006 at 6:51 PM

If that bastard Baker screws the Kurds again, he can rot in Hell.

spmat on December 9, 2006 at 7:06 PM

It’s all about dialogue.

All is lost, the theater critic says.

JammieWearingFool on December 9, 2006 at 7:13 PM

SO he got the intel chair because he could name their jingle in 2 notes?
Baker, I cannot even state what I think about him or I will be banned on all of Algore’s internet.

bbz123 on December 9, 2006 at 7:14 PM

God help us if we abandon the Kurds a second time.

EF on December 9, 2006 at 7:18 PM

So why do we have permission now in re: Shiite militias? What changed? Bush’s meeting in Amman? Are Jordan and Saudi finally leaning on Iraqi Sunni’s to reconcile? I noticed the Reconciliation Conference that had been stalled indefinetly is now back on.

Or is it the prospect of Iraqi Shiites losing out to Iranian Shiites in the battle for influence in Iraq that the Baker Commission advocates? I wish someone was doing real reporting on the Iraqi political system. It’s so hard to figure out what the dynamics are over there when it’s got to run through pro-Saudi filters and DNC filters before it gets in print or on air over here. Oh well.

So does this do anything at all to restore Allah’s faith in Jorge Arbusto? Or does he still think the “realists” are going to take over? Enquiring minds want to know.

The Apologist on December 9, 2006 at 8:15 PM

Great. The Kurds are the ONLY peaceful iraqis in the country…and no one talks to them? Why didn’t ISG ask the only REASONABLE iraqis there are for their suggestions? The last time we screwed them they were murdered by the hundreds of thousands…and I don’t get how STUPID and short sighted our own citizenry is…whatever our enemy likes is bad for us…they don’t get that Iran is the enemy? What, did they all forget about the hostages? Do they think mahmood is kidding about wiping israel off fthe map? I never cease to be amazed by the stupidity of cowards. It is so short-sighted.

JustTruth101 on December 9, 2006 at 8:22 PM

I like this:

““Yeah,” Reyes said, rightly observing, “but . . . it’s not like the Hatfields and the McCoys. It’s a heck of a lot more complex.”

Thanks for that! See, it’s really a two-way exchange here. The interviewer is learning from Reyes that “it’s a heck of a lot more complex” and Reyes is learning what Hezbollah is (hopefully).

Alex K on December 9, 2006 at 9:06 PM

I like this:

““Yeah,” Reyes said, rightly observing, “but . . . it’s not like the Hatfields and the McCoys. It’s a heck of a lot more complex.”

Thanks for that! See, it’s really a two-way exchange here. The interviewer is learning from Reyes that “it’s a heck of a lot more complex” and Reyes is learning what Hezbollah is (hopefully).

Alex K on December 9, 2006 at 9:06 PM

Talk for the sake of talk. NO. I think a victory would speak louder than words. Crush the enemy, talk after.

Zorro on December 9, 2006 at 9:25 PM

***BANGING MY HEAD AGAINST THE WALL***

Please let me wake up from this nightmare, where up is down forward is backward and and brainless twits are trying to run our foreign policy.

Troy Rasmussen on December 9, 2006 at 9:38 PM

Baker is a fu#*ing tool. Put him in that junk drawer with Colin Powell. And let’s not forget the biggest tool in the drawer…Jimmy the idiot Carter.

R D on December 9, 2006 at 10:15 PM

A month and two days ago, America surrendered to EVERYTHING and everyone. Baker and his co-conspirators are merely one symptom of the virus that that has become pandemic.

There aren’t enough of folks like us left anymore to fix things, so everything is only going to get worse.

LegendHasIt on December 9, 2006 at 10:41 PM

“We need to take a new direction.”

Yeah? I got a new direction for ya!

EAST! Into IRAN!

As soon as we can turn over security to the new Iraqi and Afghan Armies, redeploy to the Iranian boarder, then let the Air Force do what it was made for.

These guys are laughin’ at us, they think they have us by the short n’ curlies. We should take out their govt, their nukes and their military and let the PEOPLE of Iran take over the country. If they need our Troops, they’re on the boarder and ready to go.

You libs out there think I’m a warmonger? Ok, I can live with that. But what’s YOUR solution? TALK? Yeah, we tried that once before, remember? “Peace in our time!” And to paraphrase your hero Dr. Phil “How’d *that* work out for ya?”

How many people hafta die before you gutless wonders wake up? Which American city are you NOT ok with losing to a nuke?

Iran is just as much YOUR enemy as it is us eeevil right wing HotAir posters because (moment of reflection) YOU’RE AN AMERICAN!

They don’t care if you vote Donkeycrat, if you vote at ALL, you’re anti-islamic and must die. If you pay your taxes, you fund America’s war machine and therefore must die. If you drink alcohol, you’re a sinner who must die. If you collect intrest from your bank account, you’re an eeevil capitalist who must die. If you’re an artist (or if you patronize art), (you’re a sinner who funds the artist who creates human form) or you are the artist who creates human form and only allah can do that and so you must die. If you think women should dress anyway they like, show their hair, drive, enjoy sex, go to school, work, or leave the house without a male escort, you’re an infidel and must die. If you’re an atheist, you must die. If you’re agnostic, you must die.

I could go on and on (and I already have, sorry) but if ya don’t get it by now, ya never will.

Iranian mullahs need libs to be the weakkneed, politically correct useful idiots that they are in order to succeed against us. Yes, that’s right, I said US! You AND me. So STOP HELPING THEM!

Tony737 on December 9, 2006 at 11:33 PM

Tony737, they will never wake up. They would be back to where they are now even if a major American city was lost. They would say “we didn’t talk to them, we didn’t find out how their childhoods affected their decisions, we didn’t blah blah blah” you get the point.
I think it’s time to unwind Baker & put him back on the shelf with all the other hollowed out tin men.
We left the Kurds in the lurch after 1991, I pray to God that we don’t do it again.

Catie96706 on December 9, 2006 at 11:43 PM

We left the Kurds in the lurch after 1991, I pray to God that we don’t do it again.

Catie96706 on December 9, 2006 at 11:43 PM

I really believe Bush will not wish to do that, nor do I think he’s open to talks with Ahmadummyjerk. The next president, however, probably will. I will make a prediction that Bush will not talk directly with the Iranian government in an effort to save face and prevent the U.S. from the appearance of acknowledging Iran’s rising influence in the region. I also predict Saudi Arabia is about to give the Iranian government something else to worry about. Let’s not forget the special relationship the Bush family has with the Saudi Royal family. I have to believe there’s more going on that we DON’T know than what we do.

thedecider on December 9, 2006 at 11:55 PM

Let’s send Hamilton, Bukir, Reyes, and Colon Powell over to Kurdistan to discuss the finding of the Iraq Surrender Group in person. They can take the brave Paul Hackett as security.

Jaibones on December 10, 2006 at 12:31 AM

face it everyone, liberals like GregH / honora & Constantine will always side those who hate the U.S. & are willing to give up a major city to a nuclear attack so that they can blame Bush. liberals like to appease everyone, no matter who it is, because they don’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings including Al-Qaeda. on another note, i have to agree with Tony there on his post.

Starblazer on December 10, 2006 at 12:47 AM

I’m with Tony too.

And if you haven’t read Rick Santorum’s farewell speech, you really need to. All of it.

Americans have got to start pulling together.

techno_barbarian on December 10, 2006 at 12:59 AM

A month and two days ago, America surrendered to EVERYTHING and everyone. Baker and his co-conspirators are merely one symptom of the virus that that has become pandemic.

There aren’t enough of folks like us left anymore to fix things, so everything is only going to get worse.

LegendHasIt on December 9, 2006 at 10:41 PM

I don’t buy that BS. There’s plenty of us out there. People will wake up soon and see the appeasers are wrong. Hey, it was one election and one misguided report. Stop with the gloom and doom crap!

R D on December 10, 2006 at 1:08 AM

The jihadis, just like the liberal dems, will go too far. And then America will wake up.

How far is too far? We’ll find out shortly.

America isn’t far left or far right. America is Center. And busy. And distracted. But we will wake up.

And woe to those who wake us.

techno_barbarian on December 10, 2006 at 1:33 AM

techno_barbarian

I’m with you 100% on that one!

R D on December 10, 2006 at 1:47 AM

I have to believe there’s more going on that we DON’T know than what we do.

thedecider on December 9, 2006 at 11:55 PM

decider, I used to believe the same. But after watching one event after the other disappointingly unfold in that troubled region of the world, I just can’t buy into that theory anymore. There’s no wizard behind the curtain.

fogw on December 10, 2006 at 4:22 AM

This really is W’s Churchill or Chamberlain moment of truth. The downward spiral is so strong now, he’s the only man with enough power to turn it around. How did we end up in this mess so quickly?

Halley on December 10, 2006 at 4:31 AM

I keep wondering how on earth defeatist types sleep at night, every time something like this comes out confirming that they are on the same side as Islamofascists. Are they all taking sleeping pills, or what?

Halley on December 10, 2006 at 8:26 AM

If that bastard Baker screws the Kurds again, he can rot in Hell. — spmat

…yes…and when it got so bad that even the *UN* saw that it was a humanitarian disaster, who did they send? WHO, who did they send?

…ME…bloody me, that’s who they sent.

They sent 10th Special Forces, one battalion to Batman, Turkey (yes, there is a town called “Batman”, and no, I don’t know if the Joker lives there), and two (including mine) to Silopi, Turkey…where the Turks cut off our water (so we dug wells)…where the Turks pilfered the gear sent to us from our staging area…where we spent two months on hour hands because the Turks wouldn’t give us maps…bloody Silopi…the global enema tube was poised above our heads daily….

We had Americans, Frogs, Dutch Marines, British Marines, even Australians swoop through to go downrange to talk Kurds out of the hills and coax ‘em back home, after American Marines secured enough of the area for it to be safe for them to do so…there was even a contingent from Luxembourg (and, go figure, I actually knew one of their officers!).

We also had the UN High Commission on Refugees try to limit what we were doing, messing around with things. Our battalion also had an S-2 (intelligence) officer who *MUST* be Reyes intel geek today, because he seemed to see himself as 007 stuck in “Lawrence of Arabia”…like a pimp on Friday, as my Dad used to say…clean shirt, fresh pack of smokes, couldn’t tell him a damned thing….

With Baker *ANYWHERE* near this operation, the Kurds are going to get hosed again…as someone said earlier, the *ONLY* thing close to a friend we have in the region. Ask me, they’re the *ONLY* thing approaching a civilized people between Moscow and Cape Horn, Athens and Beijing…and I’m not that sure about Moscow.

We have Jim Baker’s blueprint…Clintonista and Powell-clone morons in State…a president who’s lost in “Biparisanistan”…and a Congress and electorate who’re *BORED* with the whole business, largely because they have *NO* idea what’s at stake.

…so, somebody pop up some corn, let’s all lay back and watch as the Keystone Kops lose a war….

…see…there’s the cock-eyed police chief throwing hundreds of our GIs under a bus while we disentangle from the mess Baker will create…there’s Iran profiting like sweepstakes winners as we give power away with both hands…and watch as our kids have to stop the regional bleeding with their bodies….

I went to war to save Kurds…my boys’re ready now to go to war…but, they won’t have to go save Kurds like their Old Man…soon, they’ll all be dead.

Thanks, W. Thanks, Jim. Thanks, Silvestre.

Puritan1648 on December 10, 2006 at 9:42 AM

I was watching the oldie “The White Cliffs of Dover” the night before last, and there was a great line in it that is superbly appropriate here with a minor change:

“God will never forgive us if we break faith with our dead the Kurds again.”

LegendHasIt on December 10, 2006 at 5:57 PM

Well put, Puritan1648. I have a hard time respecting George I, but I hate James Baker with as much passion as I can for a man so clearly devoid of a soul.

spmat on December 10, 2006 at 6:08 PM

The jihadis, just like the liberal dems, will go too far. And then America will wake up.

How far is too far? We’ll find out shortly.

America isn’t far left or far right. America is Center. And busy. And distracted. But we will wake up.

And woe to those who wake us.

techno_barbarian on December 10, 2006 at 1:33 AM

I would have thought that the jihadis kicked the bed hard enough to wake America as a whole up, I know it did me. But it seems like a goodly portion of Americans just hit the snooze button and rolled over and went back to sleep to wait for American Idiots or Survivor to come on.

Sometimes I wonder if even a mushroom cloud over a major city is enough to flip over the bed and wake the sleeping giant like Japan did 65 years ago…

…or if America is even still a giant….

MOMinuteman on December 10, 2006 at 7:46 PM

…that was supposed to be “kicked the bed on 9/11″

MOMinuteman on December 10, 2006 at 7:47 PM

Mr. “I’am a head job! We are not deserting the Kurds, not for love or money. They have demonstrated to us the most loyalty of any group and they will be protected by the USA for a long time, even if the Turks get ants in their pants about them. They are honorable people and I for one am proud to count them among our allies!

NEMETI IN SYRACUSE on December 10, 2006 at 9:06 PM

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