Spymania: Traces of polonium found on cup in hotel bar
posted at 9:08 pm on December 9, 2006 by Allahpundit
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Ace had a sharp post yesterday questioning the dirty-bomb theory. If Litvinenko et al. were building a bomb, he wondered, how come so much polonium was found in the hotel bar? Were they assembling it in a corner booth over beers?
The location suggests poisoning. And lo and behold:
The Millennium Hotel in London emerged as the most likely site for the poisoning of the Russian spy Alexander Litvinenko last night after it was revealed that a cup had been found containing traces of the radioactive substance which killed him.
It was reported that polonium 210 had also been found in a dishwasher at the hotel, in Grosvenor Square, raising concerns that small amounts of the substance could have been released into the water system. Unlike his drinking partners at the hotel’s Pine Bar, Litvienenko was tee-total and drank only tea…
The most significant finds of polonium have been at the Pine Bar of the Millennium Hotel and at rooms on the fourth floor, where Mr Lugovoi and Mr Kovtun stayed from October 31 to November 3, meeting Mr Litvinenko in the bar on November 1, the day he was poisoned.
The same article says Lugovoy is hospitalized with multiple organ failure. Kovtun allegedly has radiation damage to his kidneys and intestines, and radiation has been detected in apartments in Germany belonging to his ex-wife and her mother. If he and Lugovoy are the assassins, and it sure looks like they are, how’d they bungle the hit so badly that they ended up poisoning themselves too? Did they underestimate how lethal even an infinitesimal dose could be and got careless in preparing the stuff?
Here’s a possible timeline. They bring the stuff into the UK from Moscow and plan the hit. It’s in two cases: a smaller one for surreptitious transport and a larger carrying case. On November 1, they remove the polonium from the larger case in their hotel rooms; contamination occurs here, possibly because whoever had prepared the containers inadvertently left stray particles of the stuff inside the larger case. The men then head to the bar to meet Litvinenko. At some point before or during the meeting, one of them excuses himself and heads to the bathroom (another hot spot where polonium was later detected), where he removes the polonium from the smaller case and embeds it in a cigarette or dissolves it in some sort of solution. He returns to the meeting and slips the poison to Litvinenko somehow. But he’s sloppy — particles of the substance are all over him from the preparation and, perhaps, from the hotel room. Unwittingly, through physical contact or even just air currents in the room, the substance is transferred to his cup, to the other men present, and even to the hotel bar staff. Litvinenko is contaminated with so much of it that he transfers a minute amount to Scaramella at their meeting later that day.
How resilient is this stuff, though? We’re more than five weeks removed from the poisoning and traces of polonium are still present on a cup in the hotel? How many times has that cup been washed in five weeks? If it is that resilient, that would explain why traces of it are being found all over town and how it got to Kovtun’s ex’s apartment in Hamburg; he probably visited her at some point after he returned to Moscow.
As for Scaramella, by all accounts he’s just a loser wannabe.
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A J’s still making a good case for a smuggling accident, including having a good theory about the teacup.
bdfaith on December 9, 2006 at 9:31 PM
Yes, AJ’s making his case, but Allahpundit has a point too.
I’m undecided. It’s an important story, though. Please continue to update as the facts unfold!
And thanks for considering all angles.
Christoph on December 9, 2006 at 9:38 PM
AP, I’m impressed by your detective skills. I’m having Columbo flashbacks.
JammieWearingFool on December 9, 2006 at 9:45 PM
I heard somewhere around the grapevine that ol ‘Vladdy’ Putin can make one HELL of a cup of tea, when he really puts his mind to it.
hillbillyjim on December 9, 2006 at 9:45 PM
We speculate, you decide.
bdfaith on December 9, 2006 at 9:46 PM
Although the condiments served are quite unpalatable, I understand.
hillbillyjim on December 9, 2006 at 9:48 PM
Just reread both posts, gotta side with A J. If Litvinenko drank from a cup with that much Polonium in it he’d have glowed in the dark. It’s sounding more and more like a work-related accident.
bdfaith on December 9, 2006 at 9:49 PM
Well, here we go again.
1)Litvenenko is dead.
2)Rare Polonium is finally identified as cause.
3)Press has “field day” with story.
4)Rumors abound.
5)Nobody has any idea of what really happened.
6)Press has “field day” with story.
7)More rumors printed as fact.
8)Press has………
And on and on. It’s a very interesting story, and an important one. I for one doubt seriously that we will ever know the truth behind this episode, although my first impression remains my current one: Putin sends message to former comrades.
hillbillyjim on December 9, 2006 at 10:06 PM
Hillbilly beat me to it.
I think this will go down in history as fodder for eternal conspiracy theories.
Even when (if) the investigators wrap up the case and tie it with a pretty ribbon, I doubt that it will be the real truth.
Given the players and those that are on the periphery, whether guilty or not, a cover-up is completely likely, even if they spend more millions of dollars and kill many more people leaving false trails.
LegendHasIt on December 9, 2006 at 10:18 PM
LegendHasit,
Those KGB boys always were good at what they did, unfortunately. I’m leaning toward Putin, but I won’t go out on a limb on this one.
hillbillyjim on December 9, 2006 at 10:23 PM
We’ve got information, disinformation, dis-disinformation, and so forth.
Classic KGB tactics.
Successful tactics. Look at the papers (and ‘blogs).
hillbillyjim on December 9, 2006 at 10:31 PM
Should have learned from Spielberg’s Munich stay away from Hotel bars!
Drtuddle on December 9, 2006 at 10:32 PM
The nuclear trigger?/ covert courier theory has some merit also, I must admit. There are more questions unearthed with every answer. Almost like somebody planned it that way. Maybe.
hillbillyjim on December 9, 2006 at 10:38 PM
If this turns out to be a flash in the pan, we should still take notice of the fact that Putin is no ally.
Also to be noted,the Chinese have long-term goals, and the Hindus, Christians, the Jews, the Islamists, and everyone else are considered to be beneath the “ancestors” and not worthy of consideration. Don’t forget how many centuries these guys have had to practice.
hillbillyjim on December 9, 2006 at 10:52 PM
Putin fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous is never get involved in a land war in Asia, but only slightly less well-known is this: never go in against a Litvinenko when death is on the line! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha…
a4g on December 9, 2006 at 11:06 PM
I still don’t understand what the big surprise is. Why is this such a big story? Oh yeah, 24 hour news. This stuff has been happening for decades. BTW, who was the guy Clinton had offed in the park? Yeah, that guy. Oh, it doesn’t happen here though, does it?
R D on December 9, 2006 at 11:24 PM
OK! Times up. Vincent W. Foster Jr. Even less clues than this Russian spy thing. Check it out, mystery fans. Can’t be solved because of the clinton cover up.
R D on December 10, 2006 at 12:03 AM
And then on the other hand, AJ Strata’s case becomes more compelling…
Tough to say. I’m open to considering all angles, but on balance, I’m leaning toward the smuggling theory.
Christoph on December 10, 2006 at 7:50 AM
Seems the Scotland Yard detectives sent to Moscow are getting stonewalled. If that’s all they get they’ll be lucky.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/12/10/wrussia10.xml
In the big picture, we have to start asking ourselves whether Russia is a nation or a huge crime conglomarate. It matters because nations, even the effed up ones like the old USSR, have foreign policies. Thugs only have heists and vendettas.
In the L. case it’s telling that both lead theories, smuggling or assassination, suggest Russia is the latter. I still have a hunch that the truth, if it ever comes out, will be more complicated.
dhimwit on December 10, 2006 at 8:47 AM
Hey Allah, Interesting theory except Litvinenko did not smoke and the urinals were clearly the source of the contamination (which could have come from Litvinenko if he had been poisoned hours earlier).
In any event, the theory must address the Oct 16th contamination in a suite of hotel rooms, the Oct25th contamination is a suite of hotel rooms, the contamination at two security offices, Scaramella’s contamination, and the contamination at Berezovsky’s office. Many of these sites were before the Pin Bar meeting (I think one security office was after the meeting).
Also, for the tea cup to retain Polonium-210, or marks of exposure to Polonium 210, then the amount of material to do this to porcelain should be more than what killed Litvinenko. The tea cup and dishwasher seem to demonstrate a very large amount of Polonium. Much more than Litvinenko ingested.
If the bar was the site of the killing it will be very clear very soon. A lot of people should begin showing up seriously ill. Sadly this mystery will unfold on its own.
AJStrata on December 10, 2006 at 10:42 AM
This is a plausible story. It’s just that so many, very hard to trace poisons (and other methods) exist that using Polonium seems ridiculous.
Considering who got sick first, perhaps Litvinenko was the carrier of the Polonium and he just had an accident and then used the opportunity to then point the finger at Putin.
He was after all a Russian spy machine operative; if he was going to die anyway why not give Putin the heat.
If I were an operative on a hit mission, Polonium would not be on my list of preferred methods. I would want to do in the subject and not include myself as a victim.
Some materials are just too dangerous or stupid to even try.
Hmmmm…Phosgene, Botulinum, Polonium…uhh no thanks, an ice pick and I’m good.
Perhaps plausible deniability was the impetus but since most people blame Putin any way this doesn’t seem likely.
A big bold message is one thing but taking the heat for possibly getting so many people sick or even involved who have no business being involved is nonsensical.
Speakup on December 10, 2006 at 11:35 AM
AJ said:
Given your take on the cup residue and your thought that Litvinenko was simply a messinger, perhaps, upon arriving at the hotel room, he simply picked up a cup that had already been contaminated and unknowingly drank out of it? That would explain why less polonium was in Litvinenko than the cup’s radioactive residue would suggest (if indeed that is demonstrated to be true). Think of how confounding such an “innocent” mistake will have become.
I tend to believe that if Putin had this thing done, the 210 would have been put inside a vehicle, such as an ice cube, in a laboratory so the granules could be contained and no trace left. Even if one wanted to leave a calling card, a trail of 210 is aleways a bad idea.
shuzilla on December 10, 2006 at 12:41 PM
Halflife of Polonium is dependent on which of the 34 isotopes you are dealing with … anything from microseconds to over 100 years.
The most commonly created isotope if Po-210, made by bombarding Bismuth with neutrons, and has a half life of 138 days … so in one year, a little more than one eight of the original Po isotope will remain.
The stuff is extremely radioactive, gives off 8 times as much Alpha ( He nuclei ) and Gamma rays as Radium … has a visible blue glow, and produces heat in its container as it absorbs the alpha particles.
It would have made a good assassination tool … it gets the target, and kills the ignorant assassin as well … provided a few years pass before someone has the idea of getting out a Geiger counter. In a decade, you would have difficulty detecting the traces, even if you knewwhat to look for.
Kristopher on December 10, 2006 at 2:25 PM
I know who did it. It was ordered by none other than George Walker Bush.
MoonbatMedia on December 10, 2006 at 5:09 PM
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