The day that Chitcago takes a terrorist hit I will not be at all surprised.

The world’s Mohammedans, from the Saudi “princes” to Paki Prez Musharref, need some SERIOUS incentive to “help” prevent our side from losing a million of our people in one eye-ball melting Islamic Bomb flash.

The fear of losing their precious meteorite might do it.

It should at least be discussed as a viable retaliation measure (which is what Tancredo has tried to do) by the West, if only to sow the dread of it in the seats of Islamic governance, from Fez to Jakarta.

And get their secret police forces working to prevent it along with our own.

In the words of Sean Connery (in “The Untouchables”):

“They put one of yours in the hospital, you put one of theirs in the morgue.”

Transposed into Jihad:

“They incinerate one of your cities, you bake their cult’s corrupting core.“

And it seems that the jihadist who was arrested planned the attack using hand grenades that he could detonate in garbage cans. From CBS2 Chicago (via Hot Air):…

Check the thread if you like but what was more disturbing were responses from posters when a couple of posters objected to this.

Okay – I just did. Last comment posted December 8 at 2:35 PM. Here’s what I saw:

. Only ONE poster – you – objected to that suggestion from CyberCipher.
. Only ONE poster – CyberCipher, the author you challenged – responded to your objection.

That’s actually good news on the question “should we be alarmed?”. Since no one else responded, positively OR negatively, to your objection, the whole episode falls into the “predictable and to be expected” bucket (unless you think it’s somehow unusual for the poster to respond personally after you engage him/her in debate).

The only other post attacking violence in general was the one-line bait “Violence is the answer to all our problems.” As you notice, that bait did not challenge CyberCipher’s suggestions any more directly than it challenged the other posters’ comments. And if you read carefully, you’ll notice IT was the post people responded to, not yours. I’ve re-read the posts from others attacking the bait, and I couldn’t find even a single comment uttered in support of point 2, 3 or 4 on CyberCipher’s list. (Point 1 – “Gather resolve to address root problem” – is hardly controversial by itself.)

The fact that CyberCipher responded to both you and the bait may appear to merge the two, but it actually doesn’t. Re-read the posts and you’ll have to agree with me that any concern on that front is unwarranted.

So as far as the rest of the commenters go, I think you’re still on good terms. Great terms. The best of terms. Nothing to be concerned about there whatsoever.

Although the reports keep repeating that this was a Chicago area incident, Rockford is actually closer to the Wisconsin border than to Chicago.
Jay has more, and a roundup.
Derrick Shareef is a US citizen, a recent convert to Islam, and was motivated…

(”Let’s see: maybe if we throw Israel to the wolves, they’ll stop coming after us…”) — RD

…an idea just occured to me:

Why don’t we start hiring and dispatching collectors to begin gathering in all of the money lost to this nation through the non-payment by default of student loans. We can pay these fellas 10% of what they collect, and leave it up to them what means they use to collect.

…and, we pay this new “found money” — millions yearly — two a fund to help indigent American muslims make the Haj, and for citizenship education to help immigrant muslims. We can also send some bucks to help the poor of the West Bank and Gaza (stopping any appropriations we have going there now through normal overseas aid, you understand).

That way, maybe, some of these morally relativist bloggers might finally think that they’ve got a stake in the War on Islamist Terror.

…and, if a number of the collectors were themselves muslims, all the better. Turn muslims from being the “eternal victim” to someone in contention for these morons’ bucks!

Imagine how all the bozos out there, pursuing all of those theoretical and utterly unmarketable degrees on their way to law school or public television, would like having to actually pony up every penny…oh…and on-time, as you then hire guys to ensure that the payment process goes smoothly…mustn’t stint in supporting those poor jihadis.

…maybe we can get AFSCME and NEA to chip in some of their members’ dues…and the PCUSA and Episcopal and UCC churches, all worried about that wall the Israelis want to build, can put up (or shut up) from their tithe-based operationg budgets.

…I’m all for equity and social justice…I even believe that it can be profitable….

In another thread the following comment was made

Proposed solution to this entire mess:
1) Gather resolve to address root problem.
2) Nuke Mecca and Medina. Make both cities uninhabitable for the next 10,000 years, thus making it impossible for Muslims to make their pilgrimage. All Muslims are then bound for hell (by their own stupid rules). End Islam.
3) Address the world via satellite link that Allah is dead. We killed him.
4) Game over. (game, set, and match, actually).

Over-the-top? Maybe. I fear that sooner or later, this approach may be the ONLY alternative that we have left.

CyberCipher on December 7, 2006 at 5:44 PM

Check the thread if you like but what was more disturbing were responses from posters when a couple of posters objected to this.

As I have mentioned before reasoning with people who fall in the 60% political middle is not helped when this is entertained in any sense. If that is really your beliefs I don’t want to be associated with you.

Like Lemmings running off a cliff this type of rhetoric and defense of it makes you (if the shoe fits, wear it and be appropriately offended I don’t care) sound more and more like the nut jobs on the far left.

And they are as sure of that as they are that you & I are the sons/daughters of apes and pigs, and that their pedophile-in-chief was a role model for human behavior.

As am I. I am equally as [un]sure of the one as I am of the others…

What’s so difficult about this? Nuke Mecca=genocide of Muslims=Bad.

I agree with your impulse to keep the dangerous rhetoric to a minimum, but I did want to point out:

Nuke Mecca = may be bad
genocide of Muslims = may be bad BUT
Nuke Mecca NOT= genocide of Muslims.

Nuking Mecca is no more genocide of Muslims than nuking the Vatican is genocide of Christians, even if done during a particularly busy Hajj-frenzy.

Nor is it even genocide of Sunni Arabs, though it might constitute genocide of the Quraish or some other tribe indigenous to the immediately surrounding area.

I wanted to mention this because some on this board defend Tom Tancredo, and we know Tancredo has suggested that threatening Mecca with mutually assured destruction by a thermonuclear device is not off the table. And, though that comment might rightly be associated with excessive alarmism, I don’t think it deserves to be equated with genocide.

I would equate it more with the destruction of Dresden and Berlin, than with something like Rwanda or Darfur, let alone the ovens at Auschwitz.

On the other hand, the nuking of all Israeli cities by Armadillo-jawed would qualify as genocide in my book since there are so few Jews left in the world – the Jews of Israel come awfully close to half of all Jews left worldwide – and the Jewish population in the area is so closely jammed together.

Fair enough?

I’m as hawkish as you can reasonably get and I don’t understand why everyone is bashing JaHerer22 for facetiously asking people to wait to find out if he’s a Muslim before calls to nuke mecca pop up. How unreasonable of him!

Me neither. Something quoted from HuffPo by RightWinged seems appropriate here:

The right left wing trolls will be quick to slander, but these stories never seem to amount to much. It has been amusing to note, that so many of the trolls have slithered away recently, nothing like reality and democracy to send them away.

Yes. Didn’t see any comments from any of the usual trolls on this thread until someone else stepped out of line; so it looks like they’re relegated to policing actions. Which is fine, as long as they don’t use it to extrapolate nonsense…

This is why after WWII ended we didn’t assume all Germans were nazis and kill them all. Because they weren’t. So we didn’t.

No, but this was only possible because we had utterly defeated and destroyed the ideology of Nazism. How does one propose to defeat and destroy the equivalent ideology that fuels both terrorism and the peaceful jihads (demographic, Sharia agitation, etc.)? Assuming one can even identify the enemy by name?

And how to do that when the leader of the movement – in this case, the prophet Muhammad – is no longer alive to defeat in battle? (For surely there would be no Koran, and no Islam today, if his cult had been put out of business back in the day.)

Some argue there is an analogy to the mythical protection afforded the Ka’aba by Allah, The One, which claims that not even a nuclear device is capable of destroying it because it is protected by Allah himself:

That this House, the kaaba, throughout time was under the protection of Allah, even when armies marched with elephants against it and the people fled to the hills, their fleeing was done with the understanding that Allah would protect His city, and protect He did.

Oh, but 9/11! Like the U.S. is the only country that has ever suffered. Most of the rest of the world has suffered to a degree that people in the U.S. can’t even understand, yet you don’t see them launching all out assaults… — By: Lunacharsky

How ironic.

This kind of argument – that we can’t defend ourselves or even speak up about a problem because we haven’t “suffered enough” – is typical enough. It comes from the usual place, the idea that moral authority is accrued through suffering or bad acts perpetrated against them on either an individual or a “collective” basis (where collective is defined in the eye of the beholder).

But what’s ironic is, for those who think we haven’t suffered enough, for those who think our comparative degree of suffering is so insignificant, so worthy of contempt, they sure seem overly determined to avoid any more of it.

(”Let’s see: maybe if we throw Israel to the wolves, they’ll stop coming after us…”)

What’s a few grenades from a wannabe mooslim gonna harm? More people die riding motorcycle every year than a pretend terrorist can kill. Get over it, nobody lives forever. — By: beefeater

Oh, but 9/11! Like the U.S. is the only country that has ever suffered. Most of the rest of the world has suffered to a degree that people in the U.S. can’t even understand, yet you don’t see them launching all out assaults on anyone remotely connected with the people who persecuted them. — By: Lunacharsky

…to which RW adds (I think rightly):

Remember folks… just because these people are retards, doesn’t stop them from voting. I don’t know how you counter these people when the media creates more every day, but don’t ever forget that we need to cancel the votes out of millions of these people. — RightWinged

…people actually *BELIEVE* that crap!

“Get over it, nobody lives forever.”!!! Copious thank yous from an old fart to a generation raised in a fat country in comfortable homes on video-game mayhem and casual cinematic violence. It’s easy to be dismissive of the sufferings of others — *YOUR OWN COUNTRYMEN* — going about innocent seasonal activities if you’re like I was when I was *FIVE YEARS OLD*…I used to think that getting shot meant that you grabbed your arm and fell down, and you were out of the game…then someone called another game and you came back to life.

…these b*stards haven’t had to do anything the least bit challenging in their lives, and the sufferings of others are only inconveniently theoretical to them. They don’t see that, with a *VERY* little effort — the sort they like to expend — we can actually *STOP* these maniacs and their thwart their inhuman designs.

..then, of course, the news would be boring, and we can’t have that, can we….

The guy who posted “you don’t see them launching all out assaults on anyone remotely connected with the people who persecuted them” hasn’t been reading the papers for the last five years, obviously. Yes, the US suffered. By that, it means that this zero — I’m asuming that he’s an American, as he has the casually dismissive attitude of a pampered American Leftist housecat, over-educated and under-experienced — has neighbors who may have suffered in 9/11, and *COULD* have more neighbors who suffer in subsequent 9/11’s.

That *ANYONE* would fail to be outraged by some Islamist bozo — of *WHATEVER* color or stripe — planning to frag Christmas shoppers only goes to show you how it was that Gore or Kerry even got *CLOSE* to being elected, and how the Dems recently won control of the national legislature: our electorate is lazy, ill-informed, indoctrinated but not very well educated, and — in some signal cases — suicidal.

I’m sure, as I’m certain all here are, that had Mr. Shareef actually overcome his intellectual and personal faults as a carbon-based life form and actually accomplished his foul purposes, we’d've all been treated to more rampant BDS sounding like “How come you didn’t prevent *THIS* attack?!?” As it is, it will go as under-reported as the Florida conspiracy, and I’m waiting for the race-huckster industry to be heard from.

We *SHOULD* be very closely monitoring the Nation Of Islam…and CAIR…and all those little walking landmines in Dearborn…and *ANYONE* who would even *THINK* of this sort of thing…and we should be encouraging people to rat out their friends who even suggest that they’re thinking of this sort of thing.

Decency is dead in America…because the concept of objective right and wrong are dead in America. Everybody’s just trying to “beat the system”.

The artist that drew his ‘likeness’ while said terrorist was in court today sure made it look like he’s a black man …with a beard of course. — shooter

…well…didn’t see it…trying, for blood pressure’s sake, not to watch *EVERY* outrage on common decency and simple logic.

Having been to cherryvale, I say “oh the humanity”.
What is the follow up on the liquid or shampoo bombers, or the guys in florida or so many of these cases where nothing was actually done? Sure it is good to stop them, but it always seems to be some absurd plan with little chance of happening. They are always muslim though. I was hoping to hear about fitzgerald regarding serious anti-american activities, such as undermining CIA attempts to stop real weapons of mass destruction. Rove is still free from his obvious involvement in the plame outing.
The right wing trolls will be quick to slander, but these stories never seem to amount to much. It has been amusing to note, that so many of the trolls have slithered away recently, nothing like reality and democracy to send them away.
I am not muslim, but if I said I wanted to take out the Denver broncos at a game with a RPG and was willing to trade a playstation for RPGs, would that make me a terrorist or just some nut?
Also, thinking critically and knowing physics, the reality of 9/11 blows up much of the reasoning of the ‘war on terror’.

By: wtf on December 09, 2006 at 03:17am

and

Don’t let your religious biases and pants-wetting fear of foreign terrorists blind you to the very real, and much more serious, threat of home-grown lunatics. You may recall, for example, a bad bit of business in Oklahoma City that was perpetrated by two white Christian yahoos from Michigan. There are killers running loose all over this land.

By: slm on December 09, 2006 at 07:19am

Having been to cherryvale, I say “oh the humanity”.
What is the follow up on the liquid or shampoo bombers, or the guys in florida or so many of these cases where nothing was actually done? Sure it is good to stop them, but it always seems to be some absurd plan with little chance of happening. They are always muslim though. I was hoping to hear about fitzgerald regarding serious anti-american activities, such as undermining CIA attempts to stop real weapons of mass destruction. Rove is still free from his obvious involvement in the plame outing.
The right wing trolls will be quick to slander, but these stories never seem to amount to much. It has been amusing to note, that so many of the trolls have slithered away recently, nothing like reality and democracy to send them away.
I am not muslim, but if I said I wanted to take out the Denver broncos at a game with a RPG and was willing to trade a playstation for RPGs, would that make me a terrorist or just some nut?
Also, thinking critically and knowing physics, the reality of 9/11 blows up much of the reasoning of the ‘war on terror’.

By: wtf on December 09, 2006 at 03:17am

This mall bomber clown was just a victim of an oppressive society. Hey, Shareef, pack your bags and move to the Sudan. Wait’ll ya see how you’re treated THERE by your fellow mooosleems.

The FBI can’t speak Arabic or tell us anything about terrorism, but they are great at entrapping Afro-American Muslim wannabes.

What better way to justify your budget than posing as crooked lobbyists or funding home grown terrorist plots?

By: maifmart on December 08, 2006 at 06:27pm

more idiocy

there must a link to Saddam

By: max on December 08, 2006 at 06:39pm

Another blames it on a town that just drives people looney:

Rockford has a way of driving people looney. I know, I live there.
He was probably going to blow the Cherryvale Mall.
A few years ago a guy during xmas season tried to start fires in the trash bins there.
Nice town, huh?

By: lafrance on December 08, 2006 at 07:32pm

and this logic:

For cripes sake, there are 300,000 million people and who knows how many shopping malls in this country. What’s a few grenades from a wannabe mooslim gonna harm? More people die riding motorcycle every year than a pretend terrorist can kill. Get over it, nobody lives forever.

By: beefeater on December 08, 2006 at 10:00pm

and

World’s most intolerant religion? It’s you folks who see all Muslims as enemies and who want to imprison, torture, and bomb them. Oh, but 9/11! Like the U.S. is the only country that has ever suffered. Most of the rest of the world has suffered to a degree that people in the U.S. can’t even understand, yet you don’t see them launching all out assaults on anyone remotely connected with the people who persecuted them.

By: Lunacharsky on December 09, 2006 at 12:05am

Remember folks… just because these people are retards, doesn’t stop them from voting. I don’t know how you counter these people when the media creates more every day, but don’t ever forget that we need to cancel the votes out of millions of these people.

And by the way, they’re showing courtroom sketches and I believe I can confirm my initial theory that he is a black man, and contrary to the quotes in the affidavit he wasn’t saying “ni**ers” all the time, as a racist statement towards blacks, he was likely saying “ni**as”, in reference to any people, the way younger generations of ebonics speaking black youths do.

By the way, I still see nothing at Kos, but this headline at HuffPo (don’t think I need to explain the numerous things annoying about it)

Ill. Man Charged With Plot To Blow Up Grenades At Mall…Officials Say Man Was Acting Alone…

What a coincidence!

We’re at war with islamists. He’s an islamists dressed like a civilian. Hang him as a spy. Nuff said.