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posted at 12:26 pm on December 8, 2006 by Allahpundit
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John Little e-mails to say that ABC News is working on a big one:

ABC News has learned a Chicago-area man has been charged with plotting a terrorist attack.

Sources say the man is accused of planning to use firearms and explosives to attack a specific mall in Rockford, Ill. The alleged plan was to target this mall during the holiday shopping season.

Supposedly, he’s not tied to any organization.

Standby for more.

Update: “The plan was allegedly ideologically motivated,” according to MSNBC.

Update: The CBS affiliate in Chicago says the case has “national security implications,” but notes that the suspect had “ideas and desires, but no means.” They were probably watching the guy and set up a sting where he tried to buy weapons from them. That’s how the Mounties busted the terror cell in Canada earlier this year. We’ll see.

Update: Could this be him? It says he’s a suspect in two Chicago-area attacks, but the motive is some grudge against the police. How would that have national security implications?

Update: The left accused the feds of much ado about nothing in the Miami bust. They won’t like this, then: “Law enforcement officials added that the alleged plot was not on the level of 9/11, and even ‘three rungs below’ the recent Miami plot that was disrupted.”

Update: MSNBC has a teaser up claiming he was planning to use hand grenades.

Update: He’s 22, which means it’s not the guy I linked above.

Update: His name is Derrick Shareef.

He was apprehended after meeting with an undercover agent in a Rockford store parking lot to trade a set of stereo speaksers for four hand grenades and a handgun, the U.S. Attorney’s office said.

Shareef was charged with one count of count of attempting to damage or destroy a building by fire or explosion and one count of attempting to use a weapon of mass destruction, authorities said.

Shareef allegedly planned to set off the grenades at the CherryVale Shopping Mall, near Interstate 90 and Interstate 39 on Rockford’s east side. The mall has about 130 retail stores and is owned by a Tennessee-based company, authorities said.

Authorities reported that the mall was one of several potential targets Shareef allegedly discussed with undercover agents, and the others were primarily local government facilities.

A hand grenade constitutes a weapon of mass destruction?

Update: Drudge is teasing it now. An informant claims Shareef wanted to commit “violent jihad.”

Update: The affidavit’s up at the Smoking Gun. I’m going to start you on page six, where he denounces the “kafir,” talks about stabbing Jews, and blames it all on Israel’s war with Hezbollah.

Update: Page seven: “The garbage going to be shrapnel.”

Update: Bottom of page eight — they claim he made a video will in anticipation of martyrdom.

Update: They’re having a press conference now. The lead agent says he planned the attack for December 22nd, the Friday before Christmas, because that’s when he figured the mall would be most crowded.

Update: More from the presser. He was a convert to Islam and was influenced by jihadist websites.


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How many news outlets will dare utter the “I-word” if this guy turns out to be a Muslim. Or, will he just be another “troubled teen.”

Mallard T. Drake on December 8, 2006 at 12:34 PM

There are so many “I-word” folks around this area it is absolutey horrible. These folks are bent on doing evil to all who are not of their bent – “I”. We all have to be so careful about where we go and what we do or say and still we are probably going to be the victims of jihad.
I love the Chicago area and would never move. We just have to be super viligant and maybe bomb Mecca during a hagg.
There is no such thing a a peace loving Muslim. Their way is the only way. They should all go back to where they come from if they love “I” so much!

bjb on December 8, 2006 at 12:45 PM

Mallard, do you me “Ideologically”? Heh.

Editor on December 8, 2006 at 12:45 PM

Oh, what did they try to blow up now?
And by “they” I mean “the ideologically motivated”.

see-dubya on December 8, 2006 at 12:46 PM

We all have to be so careful about where we go and what we do or say and still we are probably going to be the victims of jihad.
I love the Chicago area and would never move. We just have to be super viligant and maybe bomb Mecca during a hagg.
There is no such thing a a peace loving Muslim. Their way is the only way. They should all go back to where they come from if they love “I” so much!

Could we at least wait until we find out if this guy is Muslim before we start with blanket statements condemning Muslims?

JaHerer22 on December 8, 2006 at 12:50 PM

White supremacists?
Blank Panthers?
God hates fags?

“Ideologically motivated” could mean anybody. Are they going to call it what it is or let us guess?

CookeyD on December 8, 2006 at 12:50 PM

Oh, and as an deological-American, I resent this unfair characterization!

see-dubya on December 8, 2006 at 12:52 PM

Could we at least wait until we find out if this guy is Muslim before we start with blanket statements condemning Muslims?

JaHerer22 on December 8, 2006 at 12:50 PM

Not all Muslims are terrorists, but the overwhelming majority of terrorists ARE Muslim.

Dinsdale Piranha on December 8, 2006 at 12:54 PM

If they blew up Rockford I doubt anyone would notice.
Seriously, why Rockford when Chicago and all it’s much busier suburban malls are less then an hour away? This will turn out to be a lone nut job.

Kahuna on December 8, 2006 at 12:56 PM

Mallard – How many incidents before “troubled teen[s]” become “disaffected youth”?

eeyore on December 8, 2006 at 1:00 PM

Just somebody disgruntled over Chicagos’ unwillingness to allow Wal Mart in…
/big sarc

LakeRuins on December 8, 2006 at 1:02 PM

The question is: Can we rely on ANY MSN organization in the US to let us know if this whacko is “I”?

If he is Christian, the headline will read:

“Fundamentalist Christian Whacko Plots …”

If he is Muslim: “Unemployed Young Chicagoan Lashes Out At Society He Blames For His Troubles”

LonelyMassRepublican on December 8, 2006 at 1:03 PM

I just hope he wasn’t targeting any holiday trees.

JammieWearingFool on December 8, 2006 at 1:03 PM

We just have to be super viligant and maybe bomb Mecca during a hagg.

Easy, now.

Kid from Brooklyn on December 8, 2006 at 1:04 PM

Believe me, if he has anything against law enforcement, that will be the media angle, not the religiosity/ideology (if it’s present)…unless he’s Christian or Jewish and of course Caucasian or Israeli. ;o)

We’ll see how this plays out soon enough.

Right Tracker on December 8, 2006 at 1:06 PM

I question the timing.

journeyscarab on December 8, 2006 at 1:11 PM

CNN has a name.

Derrick Shareef

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/12/08/mall.plot/

CourtZero on December 8, 2006 at 1:11 PM

If they blew up Rockford I doubt anyone would notice.

I would. As would the quarter of a million people who, like me, live in the Greater Rockford Area.

Seriously, why Rockford when Chicago and all it’s much busier suburban malls are less then an hour away? This will turn out to be a lone nut job.

Because Chicago’s perceived to be at greater risk, Rockford’s a softer target. And the mall my not actually be in Rockford; there are suburbs with malls, too. (Though one mall in Rockford, Colonial Village, does house a church.)

Just somebody disgruntled over Chicagos’ unwillingness to allow Wal Mart in… /big sarc

There are three Wal-Marts in Rockford, just FYI.

Craig_Cicero on December 8, 2006 at 1:12 PM

Derrick Shareef CourtZero on December 8, 2006 at 1:11 PM

Sounds Catholic to me.

journeyscarab on December 8, 2006 at 1:12 PM

If he is Christian, the headline will read: “Fundamentalist Christian Whacko Plots …”

If he is Muslim: “Unemployed Young Chicagoan Lashes Out At Society He Blames For His Troubles”

LonelyMassRepublican on December 8, 2006 at 1:03 PM

Ding*Ding*Ding

LMR, can they pick you out in a crowd up there?

fogw on December 8, 2006 at 1:17 PM

SHARIF: Arabic name meaning “eminent”.

Different spelling but the name doesn’t sound Christian anyway.

Peter_P on December 8, 2006 at 1:20 PM

Hmmmm Derrick Shareef…must be italian…

lol

BirdEye on December 8, 2006 at 1:24 PM

Hmmmm Derrick Shareef…must be italian…

lol

Nah, he’s gotta be Japanese or something…

Dinsdale Piranha on December 8, 2006 at 1:27 PM

So good guess he’s not one of those Quakers?

bbz123 on December 8, 2006 at 1:29 PM

The ROP strikes again. 4 hand grenades can cause a lot of mayhem.

shooten on December 8, 2006 at 1:29 PM

Could we at least wait until we find out if this guy is Muslim before we start with blanket statements condemning Muslims? — JaHerer22

…hmmmm…Derrick Shareef…Irish? I knew a Patrick Sean Seamus Pot’o'Gold Leprechaun JesusJosephandMary O’Toole Shareef once.

…no…wait…he was Polish….

Could be a Christians. Those Middle Easter Christians…now, *THERE’S* a pot waiting to boil over!

…or, we could *SUSPECT* him, in light of the fact that there are tens of millions of screaming Mohammadans out there with knives out, admit that a few are p*ssed off enough to kill people indiscriminately, and move along while the justice system does its thing.

Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean that you don’t hav enemies….

Puritan1648 on December 8, 2006 at 1:40 PM

Wait for it… wait for it…..

“violent jihad”

Ding, ding, ding! And there it is.

aero on December 8, 2006 at 1:44 PM

Well, he did want to commit “violent jihad” … I don’t think it gets much clearer than that.

Besides, if you are going to destroy a Chicago-area mall, there is really only one proper way to do so.

thirteen28 on December 8, 2006 at 1:45 PM

If they blew up Rockford I doubt anyone would notice. Seriously, why Rockford when Chicago and all it’s much busier suburban malls are less then an hour away? This will turn out to be a lone nut job. — Kahuna

…now, I’ve been to Rockford. Damned nice town! I used to know a young lady of questionable morals and little discernable taste quite biblically who came from a small town south of Rockford…we went there a few times. Nice town. Shame to see it get slammed by some wacko.

Imagine yourself in safe, snug little Rockford (pop. 150,115), doing your Christmas/Hannukah/Kwanzaa shopping, and there’s a loud Allah akbar, followed by a flash, loud bang, and copious bleeding. Tragic, however you cut it.

But, why Rockford? Maybe the bad guy’s car was on the blink. Maybe he had a girlfriend in the “Hickory Farms” he wanted to get back at while getting back at the “Great Satan” (the “two kaffirs/one stone” rule). Maybe Chicago is too crowded and freaked him out.

…or, maybe he’s just a wacko….

Puritan1648 on December 8, 2006 at 1:46 PM

So this guy just walks out of the hills where he has been living in isolation for the past 10 years and decides to buy a few grenades and blow up something, because he was lonely? Why do these guys always think of these things by themselves?
Excuse me has anyone seen an elephant in this closet?

right2bright on December 8, 2006 at 1:48 PM

I want to know where the “blanket statements concemning Muslims” were. I never saw any. Did I just miss them or was JaHerer22 just talking out of his butt?

Oh and as for being paranoid, I got a real kick out of Ann Coulter’s line the other day comparing profiling Muslims to profiling the Klan. Sure it wouldn’t be *entirely* fair, but it makes sense. After all, not every klansman even harassed blacks much less murdered them or burned churches or crosses or whatever… but that didn’t mean they weren’t part of a violent hate group. And anybody who said that the authorities should NOT have kept a close eye on the membership of the Klan — even those who hadn’t committed any crimes (yet) — would have been considered an utter fool. Why then is this any different?

RH

RobertHuntingdon on December 8, 2006 at 1:51 PM

Is on MSNBC’s site now. Does state he wanted to do violent Jihad

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16110298/from/RSS/

William Amos on December 8, 2006 at 1:52 PM

…hmmmm…Derrick Shareef…Irish? I knew a Patrick Sean Seamus Pot’o’Gold Leprechaun JesusJosephandMary O’Toole Shareef once.

Puritan 1648, Perfection! (LMAO)

fogw on December 8, 2006 at 1:54 PM

Besides, if you are going to destroy a Chicago-area mall, there is really only one proper way to do so.

This will be even more appropriate if it turns out that Shareef was “on a mission from Gawd.” *rimshot*

Mallard T. Drake on December 8, 2006 at 1:54 PM

Is on MSNBC’s site now. Does state he wanted to do violent Jihad

I think you all are rushing to judgement. “Violent Jihad” could mean something entirely different. You know, kind of a slang phrase.

Maybe “violent Jihad” means nuzzling the fur of a cute little puppy? Or it means taking canned food to the city mission?

I swear, you Wingers always fear for the worst! Try to open your minds once in a while.

Nuance.

natesnake on December 8, 2006 at 1:58 PM

The affidavit from the fbi is up on smoking gun here http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1208061shareef1.html

They even got a copy of his videotaped last will where he says “and this tape is to let you guys know, who disbelieve in Allah, to let the enemies of Islam know, and to let the Muslims alike know that the time is now for jihad”

garetjax on December 8, 2006 at 2:02 PM

Shareef + violent Jihad= new sheriff in town with explosive inner struggle. ( w/ a waste basket fetish)

Needs a shrink, thats all.

shooter on December 8, 2006 at 2:09 PM

Remember, there’s no I in jihad.

Tony737 on December 8, 2006 at 2:10 PM

Okay. “Weapon of Mass Destruction” is a term of art. Actually it’s two terms of art.

In domestic juridprudence (18 USC) it is any explosive or incendiary device. Pipe bombs are also WMDs.

In international relations, however, WMD has the denotation with which people have become most familar since 2002; NBC type weapons.

RTO Trainer on December 8, 2006 at 2:10 PM

Ya know, we play this ‘game’ but our officials in charge of these things do it for REAL. Is there ONE person here that didnt KNOW , 99% for sure, that this was terror by Islam, or Islamofacism, instantly?
One except;

Could we at least wait until we find out if this guy is Muslim before we start with blanket statements condemning Muslims?
JaHerer22 on December
8, 2006 at 12:50 PM

some of our slower friends that think its either ALL muslims or none.
When can we call a duck a duck?

shooter on December 8, 2006 at 2:17 PM

These poor youths. When will America allow Sharia to make this kinda stuff legal. Hell he cant be the only one that wants to trade his used speakers for grenades.

infidel on December 8, 2006 at 2:18 PM

Doing something like this is a no brainer, IMO. I remember making a conscious effort to avoid malls during Christmas 2001 (and pretty much every since, too). I just assumed the next attack would target malls and busy shopping centers. Think about the economic disaster that would cause.

I used to tell people to avoid such places. One guy told me, “You’d make a good terrorist.” Not really; it’s just common sense to look around and think about what the nuts would target. Malls would be near the top of that list.

jaleach on December 8, 2006 at 2:19 PM

Looks like the conservative racists all jumped to conclusions yet again.

CookeyD on December 8, 2006 at 2:20 PM

Still waiting for a retraction from JaH22…

9/11 … Let’s not jump to conclusions!

3/3 … Maybe it was ETA.

7/7 … Disgruntled yutes?

USS Cole … The Bhuddists!

Kobar Towers … The Hindus!

Marine Barracks … The Jooooos!

Bali … The Confusists!

Tony737 on December 8, 2006 at 2:21 PM

Maybe he chose Rockford because Cheap Trick’s “Surrender” was stuck in his head?

/obscure rock reference

PS 1328,one of the greatest clips of all time!

bbz123 on December 8, 2006 at 2:25 PM

At first I thought he was that John Doe #2 from the OKC bombings.

Ian on December 8, 2006 at 2:26 PM

it’s just common sense to look around and think about what the nuts would target.

Especially during an Infidel Christian holiday.

CookeyD on December 8, 2006 at 2:26 PM

Who opened the koookie jar?

shooter on December 8, 2006 at 2:28 PM

“Violent jihad”?

As if there is such a thing as nonviolent jihad?

Dinsdale Piranha on December 8, 2006 at 2:31 PM

Speakers for Grenades???
And he didn’t think that it might be a setup? I shudder to think of what he could have gotten if he’s thrown in the record player!!!!

CBarker on December 8, 2006 at 2:36 PM

That hits close to home. I grew up near there. I thought it was only a matter of time before someone decided to act out this particular terrorist attack from that Tom Clancy novel whose name escapes me.

Bill C on December 8, 2006 at 2:40 PM

That hits close to home. I grew up near there. I thought it was only a matter of time before someone decided to act out this particular terrorist attack from that Tom Clancy novel whose name escapes me.

Bill C on December 8, 2006 at 2:40 PM

Rainbow Six.

MOMinuteman on December 8, 2006 at 2:51 PM

UPDATE at 12/8/06 11:27:00 am:
Zombie emailed a transcription of the crucial section of the affidavit (UI = unintelligible), in which Shareef talks about what MSNBC called his “ideological motivations:”


You gotta go read this, from LGF.

shooter on December 8, 2006 at 2:54 PM

Has the ACLU chimed in about his rights to “violent jihad” (as part of religious freedom) are being trampled?

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on December 8, 2006 at 3:01 PM

Derrick Shareef
Derrick Shareef
Wait for it
Wait for it
(Apologizing in advance for the gratuitous pun!)

Isn’t that Omar’s Kid!

Dread Pirate Roberts VI on December 8, 2006 at 3:02 PM

It’s no where on CNN’s front page. The “Breaking News” story is the Foley Commission results. I looked all around the page, couldn’t find it mentioned.

amerpundit on December 8, 2006 at 3:07 PM

For those who haven’t read it, RAINBOW is a top secret counter-terrorist team. 16 islamic terrorists hire a coyote to get them across the Southern border and procure for them automatic weapons and rental cars. They then split into 4 four “man” teams and drive to four different cities across the country to strike four different malls in a coordinated attacks.

The second (iirc, the first team managed to get away, for a while) team to strike just happens to hit a mall in which two Rainbow operators are shopping, and because they are under orders to be armed EVERYWHERE they go, they manage to take the tangos down.

And in my favorite part of the book, one of our heroes finds one of the bad guys clinging to life and rushes off to the sporting gods store to find a pig skin football and presses it into the tangos hands and tells him what he has in his paws and as the bad guy’s eyes widen in fear that he’s not going to paradise and he’s not getting his 72 raisins, he shuffles off this mortal coil.

MOMinuteman on December 8, 2006 at 3:09 PM

“Violent jihad”?
As if there is such a thing as nonviolent jihad?

Yes. Translated directly, jihad is Arabic for STRUGGLE. Muslims split their struggle into two categories, the LESSER JIHAD, and the GREATER JIHAD. It is actually the Lesser Jihad which is the fight to defend their faith against evil. The Greater Jihad is one’s personal struggle to be a good Muslim and live a righteous life. This is the more important of the two jihads…

…And if you believe that pile of crap, I have a bridge in Mecca I’d like to sell you. Remember this, Hitler’s book Mein Kampf means My Struggle in English. In Arabic, the translation of his book is called MY JIHAD.

BohicaTwentyTwo on December 8, 2006 at 3:12 PM

I’m shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!

venmax on December 8, 2006 at 3:18 PM

Wow, you decide to take a break and watch a DVD one time, and you miss everything!

All I can say is that I’m shocked at you bigots! This guy is just expressing his freedom of religion. Islam, The Religion of Pieces…. WAKE UP WORLD!

(Oh, and let me break to say eff you to Shepard Smith who just now talked ominously about how gas prices were down before the elections and now their back up, as if it was some conspiracy. This guy gets worse by the day.)

Anyway, I’m glad that AP quickly looked at the angle where hte left will sarcastically say “big deal” like they did in Miami, or any of the other dozen or so foiled plots.

BLAME BUSH! No wait, don’t blame Bush for this guy getting caught. But blame him for stiring up anti-American sentiment in the Muslim world. That should do.

RightWinged on December 8, 2006 at 3:21 PM

I want to know where the “blanket statements concemning Muslims” were. I never saw any. Did I just miss them or was JaHerer22 just talking out of his butt?

Um, I quoted one in my post, I don’t know how you missed it. “We just have to be super viligant and maybe bomb Mecca during a hagg.There is no such thing a a peace loving Muslim.” You can’t really get much more blanket than that.

hmmmm…Derrick Shareef…Irish? I knew a Patrick Sean Seamus Pot’o’Gold Leprechaun JesusJosephandMary O’Toole Shareef once.

…no…wait…he was Polish….

Could be a Christians. Those Middle Easter Christians…now, *THERE’S* a pot waiting to boil over!

I posted that comment before anyone knew his name. Sorry to disapoint.

Now that we know he is Muslim I retract my previous statement. Blanket statements against against Muslims are now allowed and encouraged. Calls to nuke Mecca as well as any premlinary plans any of you may have drawn up on how we could engineer a Muslim genocide are also encouraged.

JaHerer22 on December 8, 2006 at 3:30 PM

UPDATE at 12/8/06 11:27:00 am:
Zombie emailed a transcription of the crucial section of the affidavit (UI = unintelligible), in which Shareef talks about what MSNBC called his “ideological motivations:”
You gotta go read this, from LGF.
shooter on December 8, 2006 at 2:54 PM

Michelle has the WHOLE thing, must see / a must read.http://www.michellemalkin.com/

shooter on December 8, 2006 at 3:31 PM

Now that we know he is Muslim I retract my previous statement. Blanket statements against against Muslims are now allowed and encouraged. Calls to nuke Mecca as well as any premlinary plans any of you may have drawn up on how we could engineer a Muslim genocide are also encouraged.
JaHerer22 on December 8, 2006 at 3:30 PM

Gee, thanks for the permission, Mr. Herrera.

shooter on December 8, 2006 at 3:34 PM

You know, if they had just stated the truth in the first place instead of saying “ideologically motivated” then people wouldn’t have to guess or jump to conclusions.

And why does stopping Jihadis = Muslim genocide?

CookeyD on December 8, 2006 at 3:38 PM

Could it be because not stopping Jihadis = non-Muslim genocide?

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on December 8, 2006 at 3:39 PM

WHICH ONE OF OUR LOCAL MOSQUES WAS HE ATTENDING?

dm60462 on December 8, 2006 at 3:43 PM

I’m not trying to defend JaHerer22, but in reference to:

Calls to nuke Mecca

I’m surprised that the original commenter did not get a warning or an outright ban.

Allahpundit and MM arepretty open minded, but “nuke Mecca” comments are not kosher. In fact, when Allah opened the flood gates for more commenters, he specifically said “no nuke Mecca” comments.

natesnake on December 8, 2006 at 3:48 PM

Could we at least wait until we find out if this guy is Muslim before we start with blanket statements condemning Muslims?

JaHerer22 on December 8, 2006 at 12:50 PM

It seems a “blanket statement” about muslims is true or false quite apart from whether “this guy” is muslim.

Kralizec on December 8, 2006 at 3:51 PM

By the way, I believe this guy will turn out to be a black Muslim. SHUDDER AND SHOUT RACIST NOW FOLKS!

Seriously though, reading the affidavit, he’s continuously quoted as saying “ni**ers”, but judging by his ebonics my guess is that in reality he was saying “ni**as”. Read some of the dialogue… Either at TSM or Malkin.

Does his race matter? Well not really, unless you consider what we know about all the conversions to Islam going on with black men in our prisons, and the fact that the Beltway Snipers were black Muslims (but don’t tell the MSM, they worked hard to supress that fact and they won’t let you ruin this for them). If it’s up to me, I’m tapping the phones of the Nation of Islam, that’s all I’m saying.

Yeah, I know about John Walker Lindh and Adam Gadahn, and they are a couple of fluke loser types, but there isn’t some mass movement of suburban white boys living in their parents’ basements converting to Islam.

Anyway, I also wanted to preempt the potential I see for lefty sites to come out and say this is some sort of violence against blacks thing because they see the “n-word” in the affidavit, when I think it was the slang n-word used by black people. We shall see.

RightWinged on December 8, 2006 at 3:57 PM

Actually I take back my concerns about liberal blogs misunderstanding that…. they are completely ignoring the story. HuffPo is more concerned with blaring giant headlines displaying negative approval numbers on Bush’s handling of Iraq. Real constructive folks. Well, there’s also Alec Baldwin’s call to get rid of the CIA so we can defeat terrorism.

RightWinged on December 8, 2006 at 4:00 PM

But only one person threw out the “Nuke Mecca” line. Most of us (I’d like to think) don’t believe that’s the universal answer.

Wanting to stop the Jihadis is certainly not the same thing as wishing for a blanket Muslim genocide. I don’t understand why JaHerer22 can’t separate the two.

CookeyD on December 8, 2006 at 4:03 PM

But only one person threw out the “Nuke Mecca” line. Most of us (I’d like to think) don’t believe that’s the universal answer.

It has been showing up in other threads by other posters. Busy site and difficult for one webmaster to police. Too bad a handful of posters cannot self-police themselves.

Bradky on December 8, 2006 at 4:09 PM

Sure, Muslims are trying to kill us in the malls while we shop for Christmas but isn’t it wrong to point the finger at them for doing so? Christmas shopping is how we express our religion. Killing Christmas shoppers is how they express their religion. Is that so wrong? Shouldn’t we just let everyone celebrate Christmas their own way without being so judgemental about each others’ religion?

And really, that headline: MUSLIM TERRORIST PLANS XMAS BLOODBATH! Doesn’t that come across as a wee bit intolerant? How about “Disgruntled Youth Protests Christmas Consumerism”? It’s not nearly so jangling on the nerves, is it?

When even Christmas prompts enough anger among our youths to force them to buy guns and grenades to make their statement, isn’t that an indictment of society at large? Shouldn’t we all be wondering, “What did I do to cause this?” And above all that, how is Bush to blame? Anyone who doesn’t see a direct connection between Halliburton and this poor youth’s angst is blind, I tell you, BLIND!

Forgive us for oppressing you with our merry Christmas, that’s all I can say.

Tantor

Tantor on December 8, 2006 at 4:10 PM

RE: calls to nuke Mecca

First off, I don’t condone these “nuke Mecca”-type statements. I think they are counterproductive and in poor taste. They also give fodder to lefties who like to paint us all with a broad brush as racist bigoted intolerant genocidal warmongers. That said…

Perhaps I’m naive, but I’ve always interpreted the “nuke Mecca” shots as hyperbolic (highly exaggerated) statements made for rhetorical effect. I would like to think that these people are not serious about nuking Mecca. It’s the same as when lefties on their blogs call for Bush’s assassination–I assume they’re not serious, that they’re just saying it for rhetorical effect amongst an audience they consider to be “safe.” Doesn’t make it right, but I don’t take it seriously. (One difference is, of course, that the lefties actually could get their hands on the means to assassinate the president, while righties presumably could not actually get hold of nukes to turn Mecca into a glowing hole. I might be wrong, though–if you can trade speakers for grenades, perhaps you can get a suitcase nuke in exchange for a video iPod.)

aero on December 8, 2006 at 4:23 PM

What’s so difficult about this? Nuke Mecca=genocide of Muslims=Bad. To say it unseriously isn’t even funny; it’s disturbing. To seriously suggest it is even worse.

Condemning that kind of crap has nothing to do with having your head in the sand. I don’t think anyone in this thread denied Islamic extremism is a serious threat to our national security. I’m as hawkish as you can reasonably get and I don’t understand why everyone is bashing JaHerer22 for facetiously asking people to wait to find out if he’s a Muslim before calls to nuke mecca pop up. How unreasonable of him!

This is why after WWII ended we didn’t assume all Germans were nazis and kill them all. Because they weren’t. So we didn’t.

thelinyguy on December 8, 2006 at 4:25 PM

Elsewhere in mid-West, Friday’s wacademia taqiyah is brought to you by the Darul Arqum Islamic Center… and the number 4!

Misconceptions about Islam #4: Muslims spread inherently violent Islam ‘by the sword,’ and Muslims do not tolerate other faiths

The set of false beliefs that Islam is inherently violent, that Muhammad spread Islam by the sword and Muslims are intolerant of other faiths hurts Muslims deeply. This misconception is the root of hatred directed at Islam and Muslims, and it endangers the future of inter-faith relations in Ames and throughout the world…

Iowa State Daily invites you to clarify these “misconceptionshere.

Terp Mole on December 8, 2006 at 5:11 PM

Look, he’s a “disaffected youth”. Just ask the French about “disaffected yoots”.
He’s a victim, living in a racist, Christian, Capatalist Gulag. ACLU lawyers will come to his rescue.
It’s all Bush’s fault.

mountainmanbob on December 8, 2006 at 5:12 PM

Everyone knows muslims are not violent, they just want to worship and be good members of American society like everyone else.

This is obviously another zionist plot to smear Islam.

/S

quax1 on December 8, 2006 at 5:31 PM

As if there is such a thing as nonviolent jihad? — Dinsdale Piranha

…yeah…that’s where the tippy-toe up to your bed and behead you in your sleep….

…best I got, man….

Puritan1648 on December 8, 2006 at 5:45 PM

By the way, I believe this guy will turn out to be a black Muslim. — RightWinged

…hmmmm…think not…I certainly think that there’s a possibility that he’s a convert, maybe a Lindh-ite, “disaffected ‘yout’” and all that…but, maybe a Middle-Eastern transplant…although I’ve not heard of Rockford being a hotbed of Islamic yout’s….

Don’t think he’s a black muslim, though…from LGF, update at 12/8/06 11:27:00 am:

“I’m ready man, these Kafirs [a term translated as ‘infidel’] don’t give a damn about us, n*ggers don’t care what happens to the Umma [an Arabic word meaning community or nation that is commonly used to mean the collective nation of Islamic states], about sisters getting raped, about brothers losing their (UI). They don’t care, man. All they care about is (UI)…I probably would have eventually ended up just stabbing the shit outta some Jews or something. Just stabbing them n*ggers with a steak knife.

(added * to offensive word so’s…er…not to offend. I’m uncomfortable with the word personally.)

…more on the creature, same source:

Dude, I ain’t gonna lie. Because during that war with Hezbollah, man, I had already started to look at synagogues out here and in the DeKalb area and everything. I was looking at synagogues, I was doing MapQuest…And as soon as I see them fools going in the building, I had planned on trying to grab one, depending on how it was, n*ggers trying to run in the building all at once and open up shop, I was just going to go over there and shank one or two of them.”

…what a *SWEEEEEEEEEEEETIE*! Religion of *PEACE*, don’cha’know!

Hmmm…all the use of the “N”-word, and the way it’s used, he *MIGHT* be a black muslim, but we’ll never know. The media won’t report it. Britney uncovering her Little Friskies is more newsworthy….

Puritan1648 on December 8, 2006 at 5:54 PM

racist bigoted intolerant genocidal warmongers

aero on December 8, 2006 at 4:23 PM

Those same words can just as easily be applied to the muslim terrorists who are out to destroy our way of life, and are willing to kill us and themselves to accomplish that goal. And you are deluding yourself if you think otherwise.

And while I think that “peaceful muslim” is an oxymoron, there might just be such a beast, so nuking mecca could be counter productive even though you are guaranteed of taking out some koranimals.

But a couple of F.A.B.’s at any “DEATH TO AMERICA, DEATH TO ISRAEL” rally, I can get behind that, and given the power to order a strike, I’d do it in a heartbeat.

MOMinuteman on December 8, 2006 at 6:08 PM

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