Video: Steyn slams the AP and Iraq Study Group on O’Reilly

posted at 8:55 pm on December 7, 2006 by Allahpundit

Our subject is bias: anti-Bush in the case of the American press and anti-American in the case of too many Iraqi stringers. No mention of Jamilgate specifically, alas, but he does refer to Bilal Hussein, whose scandal is sexier anyway.

His was the lead segment tonight, too. Well done by O’Reilly. Let’s hope it’s a regular stint.


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Gotta love this guy, Steyn. Hope he was heard, ’cause he’s right.

shooter on December 7, 2006 at 9:12 PM

He slammed the sh*t out of that loser Gregory also. That was special.

shooter on December 7, 2006 at 9:15 PM

I saw this earlier. Gotta love Steyn.

Chat and run. Heh.

Speaking of Bilal Hussein.

JammieWearingFool on December 7, 2006 at 9:19 PM

steynonline.com = second best blog in the Sphere. Frequent visits are well rewarded

david gregory = self-absorbed slimebag

Janos Hunyadi on December 7, 2006 at 9:24 PM

David Gregroy looks like half man, half chimp. One fugly dude.

JammieWearingFool on December 7, 2006 at 9:29 PM

Gregory is a “been nowhere, done nothing” ass. Without his bosses big media megaphone he’d be flipping burgers at some fast food joint.

rplat on December 7, 2006 at 9:34 PM

Steyn needs his own show. Send Greta back to CNN.

reaganaut on December 7, 2006 at 9:34 PM

Steyn needs his own show. Send Greta back to CNN.

reaganaut on December 7, 2006 at 9:34 PM

Damn! Another good idea I should have thought of first: Greta out, Steyn in

Janos Hunyadi on December 7, 2006 at 9:37 PM

Steyn is a national treasure! If you have not read his book, “America Alone” you are really missing out on some fine thinking. I could only hope that someone like Fox would pick him up and put him on a regular basis.

NEMETI IN SYRACUSE on December 7, 2006 at 9:47 PM

All class.

Jimmy Carter on December 7, 2006 at 9:49 PM

Just saw Walid Shoebat smack down Skeletor, who claims Ahmadinejad said he doesn’t want to destroy Israel. I guess he missed this. What a dunce.

JammieWearingFool on December 7, 2006 at 9:54 PM

I’ve written it before and I’ll write it again

“If we win in Iraq the Dems view it as a Bush victory not an American victory. That means they view a loss in Iraq as a Bush loss not an American loss.”

Opinionnation on December 7, 2006 at 10:05 PM

Very good but a bit naive when suggesting that Democrat types don’t realize that failure in Iraq will be perceived as being a failure of the US apart from a Bush failure.

Your Democrat type has no problem with the world having that perception.

Perchant on December 7, 2006 at 10:18 PM

Vaudeville act!!!

Still chuckling.

hillbillyjim on December 7, 2006 at 10:20 PM

Steyn wields the English language as a master swordsman does his blade. If he had a show, it would logically be difficult to get libs to come on and debate him, were it not for the fact that they are so damned smug and self-righteous that they’d walk right into the lion’s den.

I’d pop some corn and sit down to watch, you betcha.

The Monster on December 7, 2006 at 10:33 PM

I’d tune in regularly to watch a Steyn Show. Heck, he might even give O’Reilly a run for his money.

Yakko77 on December 7, 2006 at 10:41 PM

Who knows what it all adds up to, but it’s still great fun to listen to Steyn bitch-slap a bunch of 80 year old D.C. dinosaurs (New York Strip, medium rare, sweet potatoes with brandy), plus the bonus castration of sissy-Mary David Gregory (Tiramisu).

A wonderful dining event. I need a cigarette…

Jaibones on December 7, 2006 at 10:50 PM

Yes right ON! Its not Bush’s failed policies and leadership, its the liberal media’s fault. Things are going great in Iraq. The problems are from the media. All we need is more feel good stories from Iraq, that will show Iran and the insurgence. Yea!

Please this is 100% bull. As far as claims of the AP photog being found with insurgence, if true hang them up by their toes. Every war has propaganda and spies. Treason = death. I have no problem with that. It happened before, this is not new.

By the way NBC is rated by independant media watch organizations as one of the most fair to the Bush administration (of course Fox News is the most “fair”). Bill-O only mentions NBC for pure ego and personal reasons, devoid of fact. David Greggory? Who cares he is not loosing the war. He asks good questions and calls Tony Snow’s double talk.

I agree with the Guest 100% we don’t have good debate, but that is the white houses and peoples fault as well as the media, all media, including Fox. The Blogs are polarized as well, this being one of the better ones. Bill-O says 82% of Americans don’t know who Nuri al-Maliki is! Yikes. That is a problem, but still not the reason the news from Iraq is bad. Denial is not a plan!!!!!!!

The blame MSM (main stream media) and LM (liberal media) is a favorite topic of the conservative right. The facts of media bias are far from the paranoia and prejudice far right talk about. Yes some media is biased against Bush, but the reports from Iraq ARE bad because it is bad. It’s easy to criticize when you are sucking.

Per the Iraq report yesterday, candor is needed and “Tony Snow show” is double talk obfuscation. He reminds me of Rumsfeld’s arrogant double talk rhetorical answers and Cheney’s sneering glibness. Would you buy a used car from these three people? You know you are being lied to. However some want to be lied to I guess.

I understand its the white house’s job to spin, but just ONCE an honest answer would be nice. It seems like they are still talking stay the course.

Look almost 3,000 soldiers killed (10 yesterday), 45,000 wounded, 10,000 grievous and many billions of dollars a week. Total killed, everyone, in both Afghanistan and Iraq: 3/4 of a million, 1.2 million wounded! The truth is ugly. They also say the truth will set you free. If THERE IS GOOD NEWS, than why are we not seeing it on Fox news or Hotair? I would love good news, but its just not out there.

For God’s sake I pray the Bush admin takes the recommendations and changes course. Attack the messenger may make you feel good, but it will not change the reality. This is not Reagan its more like Nixon (who was not all bad btw).

Bush is not bad, but there is a delusional quality to taking facts and fitting them to fit your goals for political reasons. Bush can save the day, save his Presidency, but denial and rants about liberal media is ridiculous. I am praying. We can’t win like this. We all know that. We need to commit double the troops and triple the money or we must get out. We have a moral obligation to the troops to either give them the force they need or get out. Even if we did double and triple the effort, changing 2000 years of Mid east tribal fighting, with massive oil money greed to fuel it is not a sure thing.

It will not be the end of the world or a loss to terrorism if we redeploy. We “lost” Vietnam and now they and China are becoming capitalist. It just took 30 years. We need to re-group and go world wide with the fight. Intelligence and clandestine ops.

We lost the moral high ground long ago when there was no WMD’s, 9/11 connection and the prisoners where abused. Bush did not get it right: troop levels, duration, cost, greeted as liberators and world support, wrong wrong wrong wrong. Bush not the media. It’s pure 100% making excuses and blaming others for your mistakes.

gmcjetpilot on December 7, 2006 at 11:01 PM

Gregory is a “been nowhere, done nothing” ass. Without his bosses big media megaphone he’d be flipping burgers at some fast food joint.

— rplat on December 7, 2006 at 9:34 PM

I don’t know … Gregory certainly comes off rather arrogant, pompous, holier than though condescending, full of spit and vinegar.

I doubt that he would flip burgers at a fast food joint. He is too arrogant to listen to anyone else.

Look at his scowl!

He wears his rebelliousness, his egotism, his self centeredness not only on his sleeve, but on his face.

I wouldn’t trust him as a rattle snake wrangler in Arizona!

William

William2006 on December 7, 2006 at 11:03 PM

I would love good news, but its just not out there.

gmcjetpilot on December 7, 2006 at 11:01

PM

This is a false statement, and greatly detracts from everything else you say

Your statements about the media not being biased are not credible

Janos Hunyadi on December 7, 2006 at 11:08 PM

gmcjetpilot on December 7, 2006 at 11:01 PM

I had to read your post twice to make sure I really understood where you were coming from. Some of this is agreeable, however:

Yes right ON! Its not Bush’s failed policies and leadership, its the liberal media’s fault. Things are going great in Iraq. The problems are from the media. All we need is more feel good stories from Iraq, that will show Iran and the insurgence.

That is strictly your interpretation of the conversation laid out by Mark Steyn. He was talking about the duplicity of the AP by hiring stringers of questionable loyalties in Iraq and broadcasting their “reportage” as if it were absolute truth. Which leads me to this:

As far as claims of the AP photog being found with insurgence, if true hang them up by their toes.

It is true and has been discussed at length in the news, on this blog and elsewhere many times.

*sigh* Then there’s this missive:

By the way NBC is rated by independant media watch organizations as one of the most fair to the Bush administration (of course Fox News is the most “fair”). Bill-O only mentions NBC for pure ego and personal reasons, devoid of fact

By whom is NBC rated as one of the most fair? Please don’t tell me it’s Media Matters. As for Bill, you should have stayed tuned to a later segment in which he provided the “fact” you were looking for regarding NBC’s slide to the left.

I’m getting tired of this, but:

…understand its the white house’s job to spin, but just ONCE an honest answer would be nice. It seems like they are still talking stay the course.

As is, the Baker report

thedecider on December 7, 2006 at 11:21 PM

gmcjetpilot–

You are completely wrong. We are fighting an enemy who is very media savvy, much more than you are. They know what they have to do to take away our will to fight, and the media is more than happy to pass it along for them.

They see how much the Democrats have been obstructing any efforts to achieve victory. They know how to time events for maximum politcal effectiveness, because they know how the media will react, therefore they know how the American public will react.

I don’t know why, all of the sudden, people feel like they have a right to know the inner workings and plans of the government, or the need to leak classified information. You don’t and you shouldn’t.

Nations have always known the need for effective propoganda while at war, but I have to believe this is the first time in history that enemy propoganda is being deployed from within! That is sad, almost as sad as a political party that would negotiate with the enemy for political gain!

Which side are you on?

reaganaut on December 7, 2006 at 11:27 PM

O’Reilly did the best thing he could’ve done under the circumstances: get Steyn talking and get out of the way. Feed him straight lines.

O’Reilly’s not in his league. He’s useful in his rather sledgehammer way, but Steyn’s in a league by himself. He’s a verbal laserbeam with an unerring aim. Just let him talk, Bill…just let him talk.

Have him on more often, and have that skank who you put opposite Bernie Goldberg less often. Put him on in place of Dick Morris, for Heaven’s sake!

Puritan1648 on December 7, 2006 at 11:48 PM

I just emailed Fox News Channel and told them to give Mark Steyn a show! I love the man everytime I see, hear, or read him–I’d watch a Steyn show for sure, and would never miss one. He’s one of my favorite political commentators.

We should all write to FNC and let them know how much we love Steyn. Maybe they’ll put him on more shows. Maybe they’d actually give him his own show (if he’d want it). Wouldn’t that be great? ;-) Yeah, okay, I admit I’m gushing. But I really do enjoy Steyn’s wit and wisdom.

aero on December 7, 2006 at 11:52 PM

gmcjetpilot, I think your heart’s in the right place; but unfortunately, it seems you have swallowed the MSM’s story hook, line, and sinker

urbancenturion on December 7, 2006 at 11:55 PM

chat and run

good line, too

urbancenturion on December 7, 2006 at 11:58 PM

The Mainstream Media (MSM) is being examined for it’s bias and inaccurate reporting by a broader audience. It’s about time.

In my opinion the MSM, and in particular the NY Times, the LA Times, and the AP have engaged in fraud in their reporting to support their political agenda. Their publications, and many components of the MSM, have become outlets for the Left’s propaganda.

Our enemies and opponents are using the MSM to sway public opinion and policy in the United States by deception and deceit. The Left and many of our enemies have the same goals in mind, for different reasons, but still the same goals – and to the deteriment of the interests of the United States.

The MSM and Left place greater value on their political agenda than the intrests of the United States. They don’t care whether we win or loose in Iraq, they are concerned with propaganda that supports their politcal agenda.

Not all events in Iraq are going the way we would like them to, but the issue here is fair and balanced reporting and deliberate MSM association with and aid to the Enemy.

To find the contrast to what SHOULD be happening I invite attention to how the MSM was handled during WWII and before.

The MSM and the Left have become the biggest single weakness the United States has. Often our enemies gage their stradegy and success not on military victory, but on propaganda and the effect on public opinion. Many components of the MSM are only too willing to participate in this effort because of their Left bias.

omegaram on December 8, 2006 at 12:22 AM

Steyn needs his own show. Send Greta back to CNN.

reaganaut on December 7, 2006 at 9:34 PM

I second that. And Oh… Greta, the queen of the inane question. Yes, back to CNN with her.

Maxx on December 8, 2006 at 12:29 AM

gmcjetpilot, I think your heart’s in the right place; but unfortunately, it seems you have swallowed the MSM’s story hook, line, and sinker

alright whining about the media is one thing,both sides do that, but blaming the failure of an entire war is another, cut the bs and quit hiding behind the paranoid “its the MSM its the MSM” argument, somehow despite an election, resignation, and bipartisan report everybody here is still clinging to the media is biased argument like a kid to their special blanket. Yesterday was a sad day for America, it is now abundantly clear that the war in Iraq has become much more costly to our cause then beneficial, i don’t know what you else you need to realize that…a sec of defense admitting it? I’m certainly not celebrating the reports findings but basing our policy on reality and not childish notions of some sort of terrrorist-USA scoreboard is ludicrous. For the love of god stop attacking democrats for “surrendering” (slow, controlled withdrawal aiding Iraqis in the process) as if the other option is a glorious victory. The other option is continuing to lose more and more american soldiers and spawning more and more terrorism. And yes it does look bad for America if we pull out, but nobody seems to mention the reason we’re in this god-awful situation is because it was a horrible horrible mistake to go there in the first place, thats why we have to make a bad decision. Stop worrying about how this will look on bush’s and your party’s legacy and focus on whats best for America right now if you’re truly patriotic.

crr6 on December 8, 2006 at 12:36 AM

everybody here is still clinging to the media is biased argument like a kid to their special blanket.
crr6 on December 8, 2006 at 12:36 AM

Unsurprisingly you obviously haven’t read all the posts as you continue to comparmentalize everyone you disagree with into your neat little categories. It must be blissful to live in such a black and white world.

I’m certainly not celebrating the reports findings but basing our policy on reality and not childish notions of some sort of terrrorist-USA scoreboard is ludicrous.

I can’t tell what this means. You seem to suggest basing a policy on reality is ludicrous while at the same time, denounce a “terrrorist[sp]-USA scoreboard” as ludicrous. Come back when you’re feeling more concise about what you really believe.

Ugh! Then there’s this:

Stop worrying about how this will look on bush’s and your party’s legacy and focus on whats best for America right now if you’re truly patriotic.

All intelligence suggests leaving Iraq in a hasty withdrawal would be hazardous for the region and U.S. interests. Do you actually own a television set that broadcasts news reports? If so, do you pay attention?

thedecider on December 8, 2006 at 12:58 AM

omegaram wrote: “The MSM and Left place greater value on their political agenda than the intrests of the United States. They don’t care whether we win or loose in Iraq, they are concerned with propaganda that supports their politcal agenda.”

They care enough to deliberately publish classified material to undermine the President and the war. Not just once, but several times, most recently last week. Back in June, I wrote this in another hot air thread:

However, I must confess, watching this video just reinforces my desire to get front row seats at the district court’s sentencing of Lichtblau, Rissen, Keller, and Sulzberger to hang by their necks until dead, for treason.

I still feel this way.

georgej on December 8, 2006 at 1:06 AM

I wish he’d get to talk about his book more… That happened on Hannity & Colmes too, as I recal.

Alex K on December 8, 2006 at 1:20 AM

crr6 on December 8, 2006 at 12:36 AM

OIF ( “the war” ) was not a mistake, but a calculatd risk. It was predicated on using the 4th ID being off-loaded and transported by rail through Turkey, but the Turks ( big surprise ) backed out at the last minute. Instead OIF relied on the first night airborne drop since Normandy by the 173rd Airborne Bridage: an absolutely stunning accomplishment that the media of course virtually ignored.

But a brigade is roughly half a division, and is ‘light infantry’ (no tanks and few Bradleys, for those of you in Rio Linda ), and lacks the supply and other rear-echelon capabilities of the 4th ID

The war was won and the mission was accomplished nevertheless, but the political aftermath was poorly handled. Those are civilian and political matters, not military or strategic, but the MSM, as Steyn noted, was IMMEDIATELY AND RELENTLESSLY

Janos Hunyadi on December 8, 2006 at 1:31 AM

…..against whatever the military and the Bush admin did

( sorry, pushed the button too soon )

The reasons for the current situation are legion, but prominent among them is the blatant disinformation campaign run by the media. The culmination of the media efforts was the takeover of Congress by corrupt idiots who will only make things worse

Yes, I know the Repubs screwed up; but the Demos will screw things up far worse. I guarantee it

Janos Hunyadi on December 8, 2006 at 1:34 AM

I can’t tell what this means. You seem to suggest basing a policy on reality is ludicrous while at the same time, denounce a “terrrorist[sp]-USA scoreboard” as ludicrous. Come back when you’re feeling more concise about what you really believe.

I’m saying we should base our policy on reality and not a terrorist-USA scoreboard, in other words we shouldn’t stay in a situation which is extremely detrimental to our interests just because we are paranoid the terrorists could believe they score a victory by leaving, that would be making decisions on their terms. Regardless its easy to pick apart individual parts of a longer statement, but i hope you walk away with the overall point. And yes in fairness not all posters are blaming th MSM for everything, but a great deal, a large amount of the topics on here are just whining about the media, its completely inconsequential.

crr6 on December 8, 2006 at 1:45 AM

there should be an “us” between “by” and “leaving”…thought i should add that because the word “us” has a history of dramatically changing statements haha

crr6 on December 8, 2006 at 1:52 AM

the media, its completely inconsequential.

crr6 on December 8, 2006 at 1:45 AM

Wrong: the media are, unfortunately, very consequential. Every study I know of–and I know of a LOT of studies–shows that most people get most or all of their knowledge about foreign policy and intl relations from TV news.

The “insurgents” in Iraq know this, and have played to the American and European media. This was one of Dteyn’s points, if you actually listened to him.

No, the media is not responsible for the mess in Iraq: that is due to poor political decisions over the past three years. But what the media has done is to dishonestly misrepresent–to lie–about every aspect of life in Iraq since the military victory in March and April of 2003

As I previously said, the end result was the election of a Demo majority last month, and that IS CONSEQUENTIAL

Don’t deny that; it will only make you look naive at best and very, very stupid at worst

Janos Hunyadi on December 8, 2006 at 2:02 AM

I’m saying we should base our policy on reality and not a terrorist-USA scoreboard, in other words we shouldn’t stay in a situation which is extremely detrimental to our interests just because we are paranoid the terrorists could believe they score a victory by leaving, that would be making decisions on their terms.

Thank you for the clarity. However, I disagree with your basic point. In fact, Iran who is running a campaign by proxy through Hezbollah and other terrorists, will indeed feel emboldened that they have defeated the U.S. by their tactics. A cut-and-run strategy is exactly what they hope for in proving they have outlasted the U.S. through their terrorist-funded (and supplied) campaigns. They cannot confront us militarily, so they choose to confront us piecemeal – and through the media (AP stringers, etc…) in an effort to undermine our efforts. This is not good for the U.S. No cut-and-run strategy can make this a good thing for the U.S.

And yes in fairness not all posters are blaming th MSM for everything, but a great deal, a large amount of the topics on here are just whining about the media, its completely inconsequential.

I will agree that some of the posts focus strictly on the media; however, a point is made. The media plays a large role in the national dialogue. If the media is getting its stories from stringers with a decided bias (AP) and is passing it off as absolute truth, then the public is handed a tremendous disservice. We deserve more than the bias of editors and reporters. We deserve the truth. When we discover the bias, we have a duty to let others know.

thedecider on December 8, 2006 at 2:02 AM

I was saying that whining about the media is inconsequential, very few of those topics are hard-hitting exposes on liberal bias, they’re more reminiscent of a big brother esque 2 minutes hate where idiots such as Rosie O Donnell or Olbermann are paraded out and dressed down.Also, i hate to make this tired point but fox news has a large viewership and it has anything but a liberal bias.

crr6 on December 8, 2006 at 2:10 AM

crr6 on December 8, 2006 at 2:10 AM

If you really do hate ‘tired points’, then stop repeating them. Fox News is the obvious exception to an increasingly partisan and moonbat-influenced media.

No offense, but your views are muddled and poorly expressed, and you are falling back on cliches–and that ain’t gonna work here. You might be more comfortable on the Huffington blog

Janos Hunyadi on December 8, 2006 at 2:19 AM

crr6 on December 8, 2006 at 2:10 AM

I won’t disagree with your point on FOX. I’ve said before that FOX is more balancing than balanced. Of course they lean to the right. Even Roger Ailes has noted that. But most news organizations lean to the left. The important thing is that Americans get their news from several sources in order to develop a well-rounded understanding of world events.

thedecider on December 8, 2006 at 2:21 AM

Fox News is the obvious exception to an increasingly partisan and moonbat-influenced media.
Janos Hunyadi on December 8, 2006 at 2:19 AM

Truer words were never spoken Janos. I don’t know of any other medium than radio that voices a conservative opinion. You won’t find it on television.

thedecider on December 8, 2006 at 2:25 AM

If you really do hate ‘tired points’, then stop repeating them. Fox News is the obvious exception to an increasingly partisan and moonbat-influenced media.

falling back on cliches indeed.

Anyway, this is why i’m not a huge fan of debating online, this has already somehow become diverted to a Fox News discussion, which has little do do with my original posts, or any posts in this thread. To thedecider however, thanks for the civil debate, you made some good points which i’ve taken into account. I appreciate not resorting to name calling (moonbat!).

crr6 on December 8, 2006 at 2:34 AM

köszönöm, thedecider, but I’m only belaboring the increasingly obvious. Since the election, the media ( excluding Fox and the Washington Times ) have become more bold and blatant in both their partisanship and their moonbat inclinations.

No study has ever shown that media coverage changes people’s behavior in areas where people have prior knowledge or strong feelings, but they DO influence people in areas where people know and/or care little. Most people don’t know or care much about international affairs, and so TV and national newspapers coverag DOES affect their voting decisions

Their real power is to make the Bad even Worse, and to decrease the chances for Good outcomes

Janos Hunyadi on December 8, 2006 at 2:36 AM

While we’re on the subject of giving Steyn his own show on FoxNews … what about Malkin and Steyn? Even has a nice ring. Bryan and Allah could do some interesting segments … make it an hour long, once a week … how does that work?

I’ve got a feeling FoxNews will come a’calling soon.

But guys, if you get the big head and neglect HotAir, wrath shall be visited upon you in the form of blistering e-mails.
You’ve been warned.

prairiemain

prairiemain on December 8, 2006 at 2:38 AM

I called the media moonbat-influenced, and did not call you anything, crr6. If you don’t want to debate on line, then don’t. If you want to identify yourself personally with the media, good luck with that

Janos Hunyadi on December 8, 2006 at 2:39 AM

……and the main point of this thread was Steyn’s appearance on Fox News and what he said about the media ant the ISG……

factual errors like that don’t make you look good, crr6

Janos Hunyadi on December 8, 2006 at 2:41 AM

crr6 on December 8, 2006 at 2:34 AM

I too, appreciate civil debate. I’m also happy to agree to disagree but I always keep an open mind. I’ve discovered I lean a bit to the left of a few posters on this blog and I’m careful what I respond to. However, this is the absolute BEST blog to post your opinions on. Great debate occurs here and you won’t find it on most other blogs – trust me on this, I’ve posted on other blogs including KOS (where I never got a fair shake). Just keep it clean and Allah’s happy.

thedecider on December 8, 2006 at 2:45 AM

……and the main point of this thread was Steyn’s appearance on Fox News and what he said about the media ant the ISG……

factual errors like that don’t make you look good, crr6

i said…

this has already somehow become diverted to a Fox News discussion

this thread isn’t a discussion of the fox news network specifically…just what Steyn said….enough is enough though this is just semantics. I’d be glad to debate politics with you, but this stuff is a waste of my time as well as yours…

crr6 on December 8, 2006 at 2:56 AM

No study has ever shown that media coverage changes people’s behavior in areas where people have prior knowledge or strong feelings, but they DO influence people in areas where people kno

w and/or care little. Most people don’t know or care much about international affairs, and so TV and national newspapers coverag DOES affect their voting decisions

Their real power is to make the Bad even Worse, and to decrease the chances for Good outcomes

Janos Hunyadi on December 8, 2006 at 2:36 AM

I can’t argue with this. In fact, I heard a poll today that revealed over 80% of Americans don’t even know the name of Iraq’s Prime Minister. That’s very dissapointing. I also read that many young people get their news from Jon Stewart’s show on Comedy Central. Frankly, that’s just depressing. However, somehow, I’m not surprised that young people require adolescent humor to make the “news” more palatable. Post 9/11 this isn’t the world your parents lived in. Makes me fear for the future.

thedecider on December 8, 2006 at 3:17 AM

From Janos Hunyadi:

No study has ever shown that media coverage changes people’s behavior in areas where people have prior knowledge or strong feelings, but they DO influence people in areas where people know and/or care little. Most people don’t know or care much about international affairs, and so TV and national newspapers coverag DOES affect their voting decisions

Their real power is to make the Bad even Worse, and to decrease the chances for Good outcomes

Janos Hunyadi on December 8, 2006 at 2:36 AM

From the decider:

I can’t argue with this. In fact, I heard a poll today that revealed over 80% of Americans don’t even know the name of Iraq’s Prime Minister. That’s very dissapointing. I also read that many young people get their news from Jon Stewart’s show on Comedy Central. Frankly, that’s just depressing. However, somehow, I’m not surprised that young people require adolescent humor to make the “news” more palatable. Post 9/11 this isn’t the world your parents lived in. Makes me fear for the future.

thedecider on December 8, 2006 at 3:17 AM

The Founders understood the orientation of most men and women to their local affairs, and they planned accordingly. They gave the Congress a positive list of its powers, and those are concerned with interstate and international affairs. Every power not enumerated as a power of the Congress or of one of the other federal branches was reserved to the States and people–not given to them but left with them. What were given to the federal government were those powers with respect to the wise employment of which the States and people could not reasonably be expected to educate themselves.

The Legislatures of the States were to determine the means of electing members of the Electoral College; it’s just an awful accident that every State Legislature put the whole matter in the hands of the people. I wish to h*ll that even just one Legislature would choose the Electors themselves, without a popular election and without direct regard for the party nominees, if for no other reason than to underline the point that the Founders never intended for the people to elect the President themselves, especially not from between two perfect strangers.

Moreover, the Founders put the election of Senators directly in the hands of the State Legislatures. It wasn’t until the early 1900′s that the Constitution was amended, badly, to establish popular election of Senators. And the President and Senate, who were themselves not popularly elected, were given the power between them to appoint and confirm federal judges! By design, the people were to choose merely the choosers of the choosers of federal judges. If it were not for the decay of the regime into popular election of the President and Senators, I think the nastiness beginning with the mistreatment of Robert Bork would not have happened.

I caution everyone who acknowledges that the people have too much power in matters they don’t understand and for which they don’t have time: Don’t blame the Founders, and don’t blame constitutional republicanism. To do so would manifest the popular ignorance of politics in yet another form.

Kralizec on December 8, 2006 at 4:19 AM

Why did the Roman Coliseum come to mind when the thought of a Mark Steyn show was suggested?

Wouldn’t sending a lib onto the show to debate Steyn be like sending them into the lion’s den?

The first one to be thrown should be Kerry. I would like to see his nuance in action.

It would be a crowd pleaser!

Wil on December 8, 2006 at 5:25 AM

Everytime Steyn talks, I feel like a moron.

Boy am I glad he’s on our side.

matd on December 8, 2006 at 8:20 AM

Smart AND sexy. He and MKH need to hook up and work on that SUPER RACE the Libs are always accusing us of wishing for.

seejanemom on December 8, 2006 at 8:28 AM

I was saying that whining about the media is inconsequential… — crr6

Anyway, this is why i’m not a huge fan of debating online… — crr6

…no, I can see where you wouldn’t be a very big fan on online debate…you don’t do it very well.

Why is it that the people who disagree with Leftists are “whining”? From what I’ve seen of Janos, he’s not the sort to “whine” about anything. This is a bankrupt verbal tactic, and you might want to review your use of it. It doesn’t add much starch to your arguments.

There are Leftists who drift through here, and there are actual liberals. Leftists can’t see beyond their suppositions, whereas liberals will give you at least an honest statement of their own ideas…not those of their party. That can make for a pleasant exchange. It might want to be something you’d be wise to consider.

Puritan1648 on December 8, 2006 at 8:28 AM

gmcjetpilot on December 7, 2006 at 11:01 PM

thedecider on December 7, 2006 at 11:21 PM

Kralizec on December 8, 2006 at 4:19 AM

Congratulation on making this the longest thread this year (fewest postings but longest thread)
The winner goes to…thedecider, who actually read gmcjetpilot twice.

right2bright on December 8, 2006 at 8:34 AM

i hate to make this tired point but fox news has a large viewership and it has anything but a liberal bias.

crr6 on December 8, 2006 at 2:10 AM

It’s all relative. Compared to the news outlets that are primarily Democrat propaganda outfits, fox news seems like a right wing news outlet. If I had a news network, fox news would be seen for the left of center news network that it actually is.

Perchant on December 8, 2006 at 9:13 AM

O’Reilly’s not in his league.

Puritan1648 on December 7, 2006 at 11:48 PM

Puritan, it seems not many are…

Jaibones on December 8, 2006 at 9:18 AM

Wil, the Colosseum would be a perfect image to use for a Steyn program. But it would have to be a picture as it is today, not a rendering of what it looked like in its glory. As it is today, with big chunks crumbled away, it’s an excellent metaphor for the decay of what we used to lovingly refer to as Western Civilization, before the multiculti crowd established the nonsense that all cultures (other than ours, that is) are all equally valid, and it’s racist of us to think ours is better (but fine for them to think theirs is, because, well, if that’s what their culture SAYS….)

The Monster on December 8, 2006 at 9:23 AM

gmcjetpilot, no one should lecture for free. At least show the minimal decency of aiding and comforting our enemies as far away from me as possible. I don’t want a dialogue with you and your kind. You are my personal, visceral enemy.

mymanpotsandpans on December 8, 2006 at 9:27 AM

Did you say ‘Iraq Study Group’ or ‘Iraq Study Poop’?

MaiDee on December 8, 2006 at 9:29 AM

I love this guy, in a manner of speaking, not in the Foley sense. What a commentary indeed when a Brit has to instruct the Super-power on how to be a super-power. As for the ISG, another famous American has coined the most apropos name…The Iraq Surrender Group. Yes Abu Baker and Al Hamilton have done the jihad proud…….

ritethinker on December 8, 2006 at 9:53 AM

Its interesting to note that 9 out of 10 on the ISG are LAWYERS!!!

Only 2 have any military experience… and neither of them have COMBAT experience.

But all were proffesional POLITICIANS….

Now… lets look at how Lawyers and Politicians “win”… don’t they “talk” for a living??? Therefore, just what type of a solution do they come up with???

/in his best Church Lady voice…

Ohh… I don’t know… talking???

Romeo13 on December 8, 2006 at 10:22 AM

Things are going great in Iraq. The problems are from the media.

Ah yes, every time you get a liberal in a discussion on Iraq they throw out this pathetic straw man. If you had bothered to even watch the video you would have clearly seen that both O’Reilly and Steyn agreed that things in Iraq are going very badly. So either you couldn’t be bothered to watch the video or you are being blatantly dishonest in your post. Either way, it’s a pretty good indicator that you have nothing of value to say.

Shadow on December 8, 2006 at 11:26 AM

If Condoleeza Rice gets political itches later next year, then Steyn for Sec. of State.

If not, Steyn for UN ambassador, now!

He can think and chew up his opponents at the same time.

Always refreshing.

profitsbeard on December 8, 2006 at 11:53 AM

I was listening to Steyn on the Powerline podcast last night and it occured to me that he is going to replace Ann Coulter in the pundit rotation. Unlike Ann, he wraps his pointed comments in a cheery wit that makes them easy to listen to, allowing them to slip thru the defenses of listeners who may be resistant to facts.

Ann can’t hide her disgust at the stupidity of the Left and I don’t blame her, but it leads to her blurting out things that allow the Left to focus on the “meanness” of her words and ignore the greater point she may’ve been trying to make.

The way she torpedoed “Godless” with her comments about the Jersey Girls is a prime example of her putting her foot in her mouth and then shooting herself in the foot. She infamously said, “I’ve never seen people enjoying their husbands’ deaths so much”, but with the addition of THREE WORDS – “I’ve never seen people enjoying the benefits of their husbands’ deaths so much” – she would’ve been able to more accurately characterize the limelight-seeking of the Girls as opposed to making it just sound catty and mean.

Of course, if Steyn starts to get more exposure, it’s going to drive the Left crazy because they won’t be able to slap him down with cracks about his appearance or manners.

Perfect!!!

Def Ref on December 8, 2006 at 12:22 PM

Steyn needs his own show. Send Greta back to CNN.

reaganaut on December 7, 2006 at 9:34 PM

That’s the best idea I’ve heard all year. Are you listening, Fox?

infidel4life on December 8, 2006 at 2:31 PM

Steyn needs his own show. Send Greta back to CNN.

reaganaut on December 7, 2006 at 9:34 PM

I second that. And Oh… Greta, the queen of the inane question. Yes, back to CNN with her.

Maxx on December 8, 2006 at 12:29 AM

There’s a reason I refer to her as Greta van Gossipcolumn. In my book, she rates somewhere between Weekly World News and The National Enquirer.

MOMinuteman on December 8, 2006 at 3:25 PM

It still strikes me as odd that the majority of stories are from reporters holed up in the Green Zone. The majority of Iraq is doing very well with new schools, power grids, you know, normal lives. The AP is obsessed with Baghdad, and if you hole up in the Green Zone, that’s all you’ll see, the bad stuff. Try listening to Ollie a bit more…..

R D on December 8, 2006 at 10:23 PM

Modern “journalists” are too scared to go see actual combat, so they outsource their reporting to the people that do combat against our guys then sell it back in America as fact.

Gee, what a world.

quax1 on December 9, 2006 at 9:39 AM