Iraqi ambassador confronts America-bashing Iranian minister

posted at 7:50 pm on December 7, 2006 by Allahpundit

Not a huge deal but this sort of thing is rare enough that it shouldn’t go unnoticed.

He’s a Kurd. Of course.

The Iranian foreign minister said the U.S. troop presence in Iraq had touched off an endless cycle of violence.

“The terrorist group in Iraq says, because of the continuation of the occupation of this country, we are fighting,” he said. “The American says, because of terrorist groups, we continue our staying in Iraq.”

Iraqi Ambassador Siamand Banaa rose to contradict him, and said that Iran itself had benefited from the war in Iraq.

“It would strengthen your case and give it much more depth if you tried to avoid cynicism and hypocrisy,” Banaa said. “The removal of the worst enemy of the Iraqi people and the Iranian people, Saddam Hussein, who caused the death and destruction of hundreds of thousands and almost the bankruptcy of your country, has been, I think, a great advance for you.”

He urged Mottaki to get off “the ‘America always wrong’ brigade.”

“America has also done some great and fantastic things, both in modern history and old, and especially as regards Iraq,” Banaa said.

Banaa said Mottaki’s analysis was wrong, and that without American troops in his country, “it would be a free-for-all, and in fact real civil war.”

Both of them know whose fault that would be, too. But since there’s nothing anyone can do about it, Banaa had to stand there and bite his tongue.

Hitchens, talking to Hugh Hewitt about the fact that he wasn’t asked to testify before the Baker Commission:

I don’t particularly mind being snubbed by someone like James Baker, let alone Mr. Lee Hamilton. I can live with that. But what does annoy me … I can be annoyed on someone else’s behalf. And I know, for example, that our friends in the Kurdistan regional government, which is the most successful and thriving and prosperous and peaceful part … not just only of Iraq, but of the whole region, is a great success of the regime change platform, were not invited to contribute, were not visited in the three provinces of Northern Iraq that they control, and that they’ve kept safe, without losing a single American soldier. In fact, there are hardly any American soldiers needed there, that the committee didn’t travel there when it was in Iraq, it didn’t seek their opinions in Baghdad either, and that seems to me an absolutely grotesque oversight.

If we do redeploy, it should be to Kirkuk.

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Well, the KURDS still hate us old school because of the whole Bush 41 abandonment thing. Don’t be fooled.

seejanemom on December 7, 2006 at 8:19 PM

If we do redeploy, it should be to Kirkuk.

No Way. Don’t mess up that area too.

Wade on December 7, 2006 at 8:21 PM

Allah–you got that right. The Kurds are the only reason we’re hanging out like we do and the only ones who are sincerely grateful to the USA. Their good people and if things don’t work out right with these freeking Sunni-Shite arses, the Kurds are always the “go-too” people. For Sure.

auspatriotman on December 7, 2006 at 8:54 PM

Jane, either you or Hitchens are missing a major point. I don’t really care who “hates” us. Who is “shooting” us, I care about.

Why is some perceived hate (because of Colin Powell’s gutless retreat in the Gulf War) more important to you than zero U.S. military casualties? Please…

Jaibones on December 7, 2006 at 11:04 PM

He’s a Kurd. Of course…If we do redeploy, it should be to Kirkuk. — AP

…absolutely!

I remember the Kurdish people fondly…I only wish I’d've been able to do something for them. As it was, I was stuck in our battalion’s rear detachment HQ twiddling. I suppose we did some good as a unit. I’d like to think we did.

I remember going on a convoy delivering vehicles to the battalion’s forward base, and returning all of us in one pickup truck back the 40 or so miles. We were shadowed the whole way by a Land Rover full of 5 or 6 or so 40-ish year old Kurdish men, all decked out in Kurdish tribal gear, weapons and all. They went before us, shadowed after us, even stopped us to make us the gift of what must’ve been the only English-language newspaper in Kurdistan. They made sure that we had *NO* problems along our way.

For my money, I’d haul my own wrinkly, saggy old butt out to help the Kurds. I wouldn’t cross the room to help the Arab Sunnis or the Shiites.

Yes…make the partition of Kurdish Iraq more permanent and “redeploy” up there. Our boys’d be *MUCH* better treated!

Puritan1648 on December 7, 2006 at 11:42 PM

Well, the KURDS still hate us old school because of the whole Bush 41 abandonment thing. Don’t be fooled.

I was under the impression that the old-school hatred was mitigated to a large extent by our no-fly zone that did, in the end, keep Saddam pretty well out of there for the last 15 years. Or have I been led down the primrose path on this one?

RD on December 8, 2006 at 1:11 AM

I am encouraged to see at least 1 Iraqi showing some backbone, and will hope to see more of the same from the Iraqi government as this reconstruction effort is becoming tiresome.

At the risk of getting off topic, it is refreshing to see someone get it right about how the troops would be redeployed, and not necessarily brought home. The lib kiddies over at Digg never seem to get that right.

DannoJyd on December 8, 2006 at 4:11 AM

Yup, time to redeploy. TO IRAN!

I love it when Iran blames US for the terrorism that THEY’RE commiting. THEY provide the “insugents” with money, shapecharge IEDs, AKs, RPGs and ETCs along with men and training but OUR presence is what’s causing terrorism? Nothing “causes” terrorism but the terrorist and the weapon in his hand. Ya want us to leave? STOP KILLIN’ EACH OTHER! THEN we’ll leave. Iran wants us to move OUT so that THEY can move IN.

You libs out there complain that Iraqis are bein’ killed because we have Troops there and so you want us out. But in reality that’s 180 degrees bassackwards. The number of dead is DOWN because of our presence and if we leave that number will RISE, not fall. Read it again Jackass, the number of dead Iraqis will RISE, not fall if we leave. So, tell us again, what’s the REAL reason for your treason? Hey that rhymed!

Listen to Iran, they sound just like our Donks. Whattaya say about that, Lefty? You agree with our enemy, what does that tell you?

Tony737 on December 8, 2006 at 9:42 AM

The US should be pushing to unite all Kurds from Iraq and the surrounding countries into a new Kurdish State. They are honorable, freedom loving people, with OIL!

Dread Pirate Roberts VI on December 8, 2006 at 9:49 AM

God bless the Kurds. I think its a disgrace that their story is almost completely ignored.

CP on December 8, 2006 at 9:49 AM

Right on the money, Tony737. One of the reasons we have been “losing” the war in Iraq is that we have been playing defense ever since we set up the occupation. Iran and Syria keep sending in terrorists and supplies and we sit back and do nothing to them to make them stop. You can’t win on defense alone. Just ask GEN Robert E. Lee.

Of course, though, you are missing the point. The point is that if we pull out of Iraq with our tails between our legs then the perception of violence and bloodshed in Iraq will go down because the media will stop reportng on it. Or they won’t, in which case they will still spin it to make it all Bush’s fault, ignoring (as is typical for liberals) that they supported the pull-out in the first place.

Lancer on December 8, 2006 at 11:51 AM

Oops, I forgot to clarify that the perception of violence would go down even as the death toll skyrocketed. The media doesn’t care about what is actually happening. Just ask AP.

Lancer on December 8, 2006 at 11:53 AM

It’s interesting that the media doesn’t cover anything in Iraq except Baghdad. Maybe we would get the wrong impression if we got to see the good parts, and the success in the majority of Iraq.

R D on December 8, 2006 at 1:15 PM

If we had completely conquered Iraq (as we should have) and then given it to the Kurds to run, Iraq would be a beacon of every American wish fulfilled.

Speakup on December 8, 2006 at 7:34 PM

One of a few solutions to win in Iraq.
Boot ALL the media out…WAY OUT
to the other side of the world!
Without a staged forum, Iraq will
quiet down fast.

byteshredder on December 8, 2006 at 7:53 PM

One of a few solutions to win in Iraq.
Boot ALL the media out…WAY OUT
to the other side of the world!
Without a staged forum, Iraq will
quiet down fast.

my sentiments exactly. I never thought I would say this, but I think the best solution in this situation is censorship of a media that is incapable of responsible reporting.

Let the military report what NEEDS to be reported. At least they’ll give us real numbers, and real pictures.

One Angry Christian on December 10, 2006 at 10:16 AM