It is tyranny for parents to treat their child this way because it violates the jurisdiction of the child’s individuality, but it is no less tyrannical for the civil government to intrude into the jurisdiction of the family and start usurping the authority of the parents.

Ask yourself this: why is it that the first “solution” that people reach for when they see something outrageous like this is to enlist the authority of the government. Would it not be gentler and more effective to enlist the authority of the church to exhort these parents? No doubt this is not the only problem they have that could benefit from some wise counsel.

Perhaps I did not understand the previous context. I only meant to clarify that the previously sought after verse is about causing little ones to sin, not about abuse.

Sorry AZ, your right. I wasn’t trying to debate, simply caught up in the moment. It just makes me sick how some parents bring up their kids and just brush if off as just words or just that or whatever. Want to know the truth? I’m scared of that little girl. I’m scared that when see is 18teen she will cut my ear off and shove it up my, well I’ll let MM finish the sentence:)

Those suburban Huck Finns liked the tongue-twister quality of the phrase’s repeated “ist“‘s, but only really understood the word “dog”.

This video ‘controversy’ seems like something equally maliciously ‘cute’.

Have you checked the Middle East out lately?

Home school your kids and see who shows up.

AZ_Redneck on December 6, 2006 at 7:16 PM

My parents homeschooled me for the second half of 7th grade. School had gotten so bad for me that I would sob uncontrollably every morning when my mom dropped me off for school. I had gone from being a life-long honor roll student to being a C student.

The teachers didn’t seem to care about any of that.

As soon as my parents pulled me out of school (and the district wasn’t getting that money any more) there was suddenly a flood of people that needed to check up on my well-being.

There was a time, not so long ago, in the US where the job of educating a child was considered the parent’s job and the school was considered one tool the parent could use. Now there is mandatory school and if a parent decides to educate their own child, everyone acts as if the parents are crazy child abusers.

We moved to a new district. I went back to school in 8th grade and went back to being an honor student. Graduated high school 6th in my class. Looks like my parents didn’t damage me too much by keeping me home.

Even with Britney, I don’t think DCFS has a valid reason to question her parenting. She get’s ‘hoochified’ and goes out partying? So do a lot of parents. Unless she left the babies home alone or brought them out partying with her, they don’t have a case.

Parents leave their children with babysitters all the time. Sometimes it’s to work late. Sometimes it’s to go on a date with the spouse. Sometimes its to go out and party without any underwear (o.k….this one is, thankfully, less common). I’m assuming they don’t object to parents leaving their children with babysitters (otherwise, a whole lot more parents would be under observation), so, their real complaint must be that they don’t approve of her behavior while she’s out. Guess what, as long as it’s not illegal and doesn’t pose any threat to her children (arguably there is the long term threat to mental health of children having to see pictures of their mom’s ‘junk’, but that’s never gotten DCFS to investigate Madonna….in fact, they let her buy another kid) they should stay out of her business.

Whenever you give the government more power over people’s lives to enforce your concept of right/wrong, you have to realize that the precedent is set….all it takes is a different set of people in power and they are suddenly investigating your family because you left your kids at home and went to a midnight mass (how irresponsible and fanatical) or because your child can recite the Lord’s prayer (as if they’ve been indoctrinated) when they clearly don’t have any clue what they’re saying.

As for the little girl cussing, while it’s not classy, it’s certainly not abuse. It’s just a word. It might be a word that society has made taboo (I myself try my best not to cuss because my Momma raise me right). It doesn’t actually damage the child to have the word come out of her mouth. Especially when she’s young enough that she doesn’t know what she’s saying. She could just as easily say “gobbledy gook” instead of a$$ for all it matters to her.

More to the point, do we want DCFS to be called in to investigate our parental competence when our children say things like “God loves me”, in public?

Home school your kids and see who shows up.

A friend of mine, with my urging, taught his four-year-old daughter to say, “a dodecahedron is a regular solid.” She was cute, saying it and imagining her dropping that in the midst of her kindergarten class the next year made me chuckle. That statement, though, is incomplete at best, definitely debatable, and, at worse, false. Should we turn ourselves in to DCFS?

More to the point, do we want DCFS to be called in to investigate our parental competence when our children say things like “God loves me”, in public?

And what would using the word “GD” be? Yes, a lot of people use it, but according to the BIG 10 it is a sin.

Perhaps I did not understand the previous context. I only meant to clarify that the previously sought after verse is about causing little ones to sin, not about abuse.

She called him out by name. I guess he had to respond.

Haha, I thought that when I saw this too. Olbermann must feel like a real douche huh? He can’t even get a personal reply and he’s mentioned O’Reilly on how many shows now? It’s got to be approaching 100.

Matt 18:6 “But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were drowned in the depth of the sea.”

In this particular passage the offense is causing them to sin, not necessarily abuse identified in previous comments.

And what would using the word “GD” be? Yes, a lot of people use it, but according to the BIG 10 it is a sin.

And just a general comment… I’m not advocating calling in social services, I’m just say look to the teachings of Jesus when you need guidance and there would be no need for them.

It’s real simple for me, would I put my 7 year old in a punk outfit and let her speak that kind of talk? Now Jesus never said, don’t put your in a punk outfit and let her speak that kind of talk, but if you study his teaching I come away with the feeling he may not approve.

A little background – during the time this country was formed, the general population subscribed to the concept of jurisdiction. The four jurisdictions were a) self b) family c) church, and d) state. There is no hierarchy, but four seperate domains per se. I subscribe to this relationship.

My children are mine. Contrary to the states opinion, my children are not property of the state. As their parents, my wife and I are responsible for their “general welfare”, not the state.

O’R thinks DSS should intervene to stop the “emotional abuse” this kid is suffering from her indoctrination.

O’R is way offbase here. I suspect he may be using the assert absurdity to thwart absurdity tactic with the libs, however, it will back fire. Such action opens the door for the state to interfere in my family. They have no right in there. We can govern this jurisdiction ourselves.

At my house, an ‘A’ is earned for work performed in the 94%-100% range. In the state schools, an ~85% or better can get you an ‘A’. Would the state assert that my requirements for achievement are causing harm to my children? Sounds extreme, but you bet. It’s already been brought up elsewhere. In addition, we use the Bible as part of our curriculum. Think the state (today) would have anything to say about that?

As much as I may not like the political bent of the little moonbat’s parents, and as much as I may abhor what they are doing with their child, if the parents are not committing a crime against the state, they are within their jurisdiction as parents. The state has no right to intervene, and the parents have a right to be left alone.

Regarding the verse someone was looking for:

what was that Jesus was saying about abusing children?

Matt 18:6 “But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were drowned in the depth of the sea.”

In this particular passage the offense is causing them to sin, not necessarily abuse identified in previous comments. However, other areas of the Bible address such issues and the young girls parents, like all of us, will meet our maker someday.

Yes, CharlestonCritic, but do you want the Government to be the ones “asking those questions”? I don’t think their track record gives us any comfort that they would come to the correct answers.

My point exactly. They’re already trying to tell us that we can’t teach our kids that God rather than a puddle of mud created all living things, and they’re trying to tell us that if you believe that God exists and cares about you then you’re litterally insane.

Do I want a government that has that sort of attitude telling me how to raise my kids? Do I want the ACLU using that sort of a precidence to remove my right to raise my kids in the religion I choose?

Hell no.

I agree with your method for determining abuse…but I don’t want the Government left in charge of making determinations, given it’s need to perpetuate itself and it’s existence.

the problem is that if we use something like this to bring in social services … we’re inviting more government involvement

In situations like this, when questions are asked, I ask myself, what would Jesus think? Would Jesus think this is child abuse? Bring the teachings of Jesus into the home and we won’t have to worry about social services.

One other thing, what was that Jesus was saying about abusing children? I think he said something to the effect that you might as well tie a brick around your neck and go toss yourself in the lake! Basically he said there will be hell to pay! nuff said

One Angry Christian

Oh, and spazzmomma…we could’ve maybe added O’Hare’s granddaughter (Robin) to the “gone straight” category later too, had she and Madeline not been kidnapped, murdered and dismembered. Robin was a young adult when she was killed, and who knows, maybe she would’a made up with Daddy at some point and turned for good. Grandma’s obnoxious ways got both of them killed.

(I also get worked up over Rap videos and have to remind myself that they are just acting.)

I’m a bit confused by the band. They’re out of LA, so I’d assume some moonbattiness from the start. However, one of their songs (Whatever) is about pretending to be a liberal to sleep with the object of that song’s affection. I think that song is actually kind of cute.