Iraq Study Group report released; Update: “Rough waters” video added!

posted at 11:14 am on December 6, 2006 by Allahpundit

It’s available for download here. The press conference has just started — and is being carried live by all three networks. An anxious media wonders: will Baker be able to encapsulate the pessimism of the report in one killer pithy soundbite? [Update: Bingo. See below.] If he does, you know who’ll have the video.

Updates coming.

Update: And just as I type that, Lee Hamilton declares, “Our ship of state has hit rough waters. It must now chart a new way forward.” Jackpot.

Update: It sounds like the leaks were accurate. They want a significant number of troops withdrawn soon — ideally within 16 months — and the rest redeployed to advise and support the Iraqi army. (Minor surprise: first they want a minor increase.) And of course they want us to talk to Iran and Syria, an initiative which most Americans (including most Republicans) support. Says Moran: “You will excuse me if I believe that talking to Syria while it is in the process of gobbling up its tiny Lebanese neighbor to be one of the most cynical, immoral, and ill-considered diplomatic ideas in a generation – which of course is right up Baker’s alley.” Presumably the outreach could start as early as next week, right after Iran gets done denying the Holocaust.

Verdict: success is not an option.

Although the study group will present its plan as a much-needed course change in Iraq, many of its own advisers concluded during its deliberations that the war is essentially already lost, according to private correspondence obtained yesterday and interviews with participants. The best the commission could put forward would be the “least bad” of many bad options, as former ambassador Daniel C. Kurtzer wrote.

An early working draft from July stated that “there is even doubt that any level of resources could achieve the administration’s stated goals, given the illiberal and undemocratic political forces, many of them Islamic fundamentalists, that will dominate large parts of the country for a long time.”…

Much debate in e-mail exchanges among the most outspoken advisers to the study group focused on whether adding troops would help. But most feared that bringing in the large numbers required would break the military, lead to a surge in U.S. deaths and do nothing to better protect civilians.

In the end, the experts did not agree on sending additional forces beyond military advisers for the Iraqi national army. They seemed certain that Bush would reject most of their recommendations and that few could work anyway.

“Very early on, the notion of achieving some sort of victory didn’t take,” said Chas W. Freeman Jr., a former U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia. “So if victory is not possible and not feasible, even if you could define it, then what you’re left with is to find some way to mitigate defeat.

If the Marines ever tire of “Semper Fi”…

Update: The enduring question’s going to be whether long-term success was ever an option or whether the Sunni/Shiite divide would have gobbled up the country eventually no matter what. If Bush had sent 300,000 troops three years ago, if the jihadis and militias had been choked in their cradle and the two sides had a few years of peace to acclimate themselves to, maybe they’d have a different footing going forward. Or, with a thousand years of slaughter on the books and Iran and AQ looking to stir it up, maybe not.

We are where we are, though. Which is why relying on the Iraqi military to prevent a civil war is an exceedingly naive idea:

[O]thers say that placing too much emphasis on training the mainly Shi’ite national army, which Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki said last week would be ready to take control of national security next June, ignores the fact that the country is in the midst of a deepening conflict that pits Shi’ites against Sunnis.

We can train Iraqis to be better soldiers but it is not proven we can train them to be better Iraqis. They will still be loyal to communities and tribes rather than central government,” said Loren Thompson, defence analyst at the Lexington Institute.

“There is too much unjustified optimism that Iraqi forces are tractable and trainable. To date there is little evidence.”…

“If our goal is to prevent the spread of civil war, then we are not going to be pulling troops out, because the moment we do, the war will grow so ferocious we will stop deploying.

“If our goal is to get out, then we are going to have to accept an even higher level of civil strife. If Americans leave Iraq, it will not be peaceful by anybody’s definition.”

In the end, the Commission’s using the same strategy McCain is (allegedly), albeit in the opposite direction: he claims more troops will help, they claim fewer troops will. Bush can’t really embrace either option, though, and they know it. As things get worse, each will point to his failure to adopt their own recommendations to explain why things fell apart. Big help, but that’s his fault entirely for not having done all that he could in Iraq when the country still had the political will to do it.

Update: I leave you with this, from the executive summary. We need to solve the Israel-Palestinian issue. And we also need to engage in dialogue with Iran, which is committed to the destruction of Israel. Mazel tov.

The United States cannot achieve its goals in the Middle East unless it deals directly with the Arab-Israeli conflict and regional instability. There must be a renewed and sustained commitment by the United States to a comprehensive Arab-Israeli peace on all fronts: Lebanon, Syria, and President Bush’s June 2002 commitment to a two-state solution for Israel and Palestine. This commitment must include direct talks with, by, and between Israel, Lebanon, Palestinians (those who accept Israel’s right to exist), and Syria.

Update: N.Z. Bear has posted a hypertext version of the report for easy linking.

Update: Mary K’s been watching NBC and e-mails with a partial transcript. Brian Williams:

Various members of the Iraq Study Group, as you saw, helping in the answer of questions posed by reporters. The quote of the session may very well emerge to be this, from Congressman Hamilton initially, “Our ship of state has hit rough waters.”

Here’s the clip.

Update: Time says al-Sadr and Al Qaeda will love the report. Iraqi citizens? Not so much.

Update: You know I wouldn’t let you down. Soundbitemania!


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Awww c’mon, it’s not like Bostonians could get sick from something people put in the water supply or anything…

To be fair, “attacking” a reservoir is massive undertaking…It’s not exactly like you are putting cyan!de into Aunt Esther’s lemonade. Any adulteration involves a massive volume of chemicals and an equally complex means to mix those chemicals into a fairly substantial volume of water.

JFKY on May 16, 2013 at 2:00 PM

Obama said today that he does NOT support an Independet Counsel being appointed for ANY of the scandals….

The bottom line is if Holder des not call for an Independent Counsel it will NOT HAPPEN, they will be able to get away with all of it, & there is nothing anyone can do about it.

easyt65 on May 16, 2013 at 2:01 PM

MY Preezy? If he’s mine, he’s just as much yours, isn’t he? Or when did I become a fan of Obama, in your mind?

JFKY on May 16, 2013 at 1:55 PM

:) not yours as in ‘you voted for him’ :), of course not… ‘your preezy’ (and mine too, I suspect, but then I’m in denial :) as in your (and our) collective curse…but only for 2 more years or so…I’m looking fwd to the last two lame duck years of his preezydency…

jimver on May 16, 2013 at 2:04 PM

I think Jon Stewart needs to add to that skit decrying government incompetence highlighted on the Internet a day or two ago.

This is the stuff government needs to be worrying about. Not people wearing “Don’t Tread on Me” shirts.

WTH is going on in this administration.

BuckeyeSam on May 16, 2013 at 2:05 PM

Obama’s administration / term in office so far:

FAILURE & SCANDAL!

easyt65 on May 16, 2013 at 2:09 PM

Brat, great find. Thanks.

Schadenfreude on May 16, 2013 at 2:10 PM

INCOMPETENCE is the hallmark of this administration. Starting in the Oval Office.

GarandFan on May 16, 2013 at 2:10 PM

The U.S. Marshal Service has been “unable to locate” two former participants in the federal Witness Security Program “identified as known or suspected terrorists,” states the public summary of an interim Justice Department Inspector General’s report obtained by CNN

Only credible option: crowdsource.

Names, photos, known acquaintences and known addresses.

Time to take your lumps with the rest of them, US Marshalls.

socalcon on May 16, 2013 at 2:12 PM

jimver on May 16, 2013 at 2:04 PM

I hope and pray, most earnestly, that the last years are mired in controversy and scandal….and a painful inability to accomplish much of anything, I prepare for a “good” 2014.

JFKY on May 16, 2013 at 2:13 PM

“The inspector general’s office says some in the witness protection program who were on the government’s no-fly list were allowed to board commercial flights.”

Well why not? It’s not like they were planning on praying the rosary in front of a Planned Parenthood Clinic or something terroristy like that.

Lily on May 16, 2013 at 2:14 PM

Obama’s administration / term in office so far:

FAILURE & SCANDAL!

Hmmm, scandal has been a feature of many a president’s second term, even if it boiled over from the first.

Maybe a president should only serve one term. That makes for more than enough potential scandal.

hawkeye54 on May 16, 2013 at 2:15 PM

The DoJ also failed to update the Terrorist Screening Center, which runs the no-fly lists

{facepalm}

socalcon on May 16, 2013 at 2:16 PM

I didn’t know about the IG REPORT…(of course, knowing about what the IRS was doing is another story…)

easyt65 on May 16, 2013 at 2:18 PM

hawkeye54 on May 16, 2013 at 2:15 PM

MAYBE we just shouldn’t elect inexperienced Communist-tutored (Frank Marshall Davis) hate-spewing racist Communist-based Black Liberation theology pastor-mentored (Wright), Socialist Ideologist-quoting (Saul Alinsky) Community Organizers as President, especially one who plans to put a scndal-plagued Eric Holder in charge of the DOJ & a tax cheat in charge of the Treasury?! Just saying…

easyt65 on May 16, 2013 at 2:21 PM

I hope and pray, most earnestly, that the last years are mired in controversy and scandal….and a painful inability to accomplish much of anything, I prepare for a “good” 2014.

JFKY on May 16, 2013 at 2:13 PM

Same here…methinks we are getting a preview of how his last two tears in office will look like…good news is that by then his political capital would have been spent and exhausted, so that his lame duck years will be even lamer…all these scandals will take a toll which makes me really optimistic about 2014…

jimver on May 16, 2013 at 2:29 PM

MAYBE we just shouldn’t elect inexperienced Communist-tutored (Frank Marshall Davis) hate-spewing racist Communist-based Black Liberation theology pastor-mentored (Wright), Socialist Ideologist-quoting (Saul Alinsky) Community Organizers as President, especially one who plans to put a scndal-plagued Eric Holder in charge of the DOJ & a tax cheat in charge of the Treasury?! Just saying…

No we shouldn’t have. But Barry was the perfect stooge at the perfect time for this job. His election was carefully coordinated by a crafty organization and abetted by the LSM. It was certainly an effort he could have never have hoped to coordinate on his own.

A mastermind he is not.

hawkeye54 on May 16, 2013 at 2:30 PM

Awww c’mon, it’s not like Bostonians could get sick from something people put in the water supply or anything…

To be fair, “attacking” a reservoir is massive undertaking…It’s not exactly like you are putting cyan!de into Aunt Esther’s lemonade. Any adulteration involves a massive volume of chemicals and an equally complex means to mix those chemicals into a fairly substantial volume of water.

JFKY on May 16, 2013 at 2:00 PM

And don’t they perform daily water test/analysis anyways? you’d think that a basic test would reveal the chemicals that are not supposed to be in there, especially if they are in lethal quantities…it’s not quite the Middle Age with the Borgias or the Medicis poisoning the water wells of their enemies :)…

jimver on May 16, 2013 at 2:37 PM

Probably placed them in a munitions factory…no one would ever look there…

right2bright on May 16, 2013 at 2:51 PM

government is good for you! let’s make it bigger!!

Sachiko on May 16, 2013 at 3:22 PM

Isn’t keeping track of terrorists racist or something?

We’ll have to wait till they join a tea party. Then they’ll find them for sure.

PattyJ on May 16, 2013 at 4:17 PM

The Justice Department’s inspector general says the department failed to provide the names of some terrorists in the witness protection program to the government’s Terrorist Screening Center.The center maintains the watch list that’s used to keep dangerous people off airline flights. …

Which name: their original one, or the one they use in the WPP?
Or the false one they are going to use once they get fake documents?

AesopFan on May 16, 2013 at 4:21 PM

It’s all a conspiracy to deny Hillary her turn at the wheel. Dirty Mysogynysts.

abobo on May 16, 2013 at 5:47 PM

To be fair, “attacking” a reservoir is massive undertaking…
 
JFKY on May 16, 2013 at 2:00 PM

 
And don’t they perform daily water test/analysis anyways? …
 
jimver on May 16, 2013 at 2:37 PM

 
The problem is that any highly-public “attack” would close smaller/on-site reservoirs until they could be tested, drained, cleaned, tested again, verified, etc. Then the equipment. Then the distribution system (the comical part is realizing where the water from the flushed lines would go.)
 
The country re-elected Obama. It’s not a stretch that many or most of them would think one gallon of ________ in a 100 million gallon tank would kill them.

rogerb on May 16, 2013 at 8:46 PM

There are two ways to go after a reservoir.

First is the water, but that hasn’t been treated yet so you are unlikely to do much there.

Second is the dam, which is an earthen dike for the Quabbin Reservoir.

I have a t-shirt around here someplace that says: ‘There is no problem that can’t be solved with the suitable application of high explosives.’

ajacksonian on May 16, 2013 at 9:06 PM

“Man arrested at Boise Bench home on terrorism charges…

BOISE — Federal agents have arrested 30-year-old Fazliddin Kurbanov, who was living at a Boise Bench home, as part of a federal terrorism investigation.

The U.S. Attorney says federal terrorism charges were filed Thursday afternoon in Boise and Salt Lake City, Utah.

Kurbanov is an Uzbekistan national and is legally in the United States.

Kurbanov has been indicted by a federal grand jury in Boise on three counts; one count of conspiracy to provide material support to a designated foreign terrorist organization, one count of conspiracy to provide material support to terrorists and one count of possessing an unregistered destructive device.

A federal grand jury in Salt Lake City also returned an indictment charging Kurbanov with one count of distribution of information relating to explosives, destructive devices, and weapons of mass destruction.

Government officials say this arrest was the culmination of an investigation by the FBI’s Salt Lake Division, which covers Idaho and Utah; and Joint Terrorism Task Forces in Idaho and Utah, which include a number of federal, state, and local law enforcement agencies.

Federal agents have been closely monitoring Kurbanov’s activities for any potential threat….

KTVB has learned that Kurbanov has a police record here in Idaho. He was pulled over for traffic violations in three different Idaho counties over the past two years.”

http://www.ktvb.com/news/FBI-conducts-investigation-on-Boise-bench-207753341.html

workingclass artist on May 16, 2013 at 9:08 PM

To be fair, “attacking” a reservoir is massive undertaking…It’s not exactly like you are putting cyan!de into Aunt Esther’s lemonade. Any adulteration involves a massive volume of chemicals and an equally complex means to mix those chemicals into a fairly substantial volume of water. – JFKY on May 16, 2013 at 2:00 PM

Large amounts of ricin can be fairly easily made, radioactive isotopes in even modest amounts can be detected, and botulin is extremely toxic in small amounts. The entire reservoir need not be made highly lethal; detections of toxicity need only be high enough to close down the reservoir for some time and cause fear or even panic. That’s what terror is about.

Of course, these foreign Muslims from Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Singapore were trespassing in the middle of the night only for the purposes of making observations of the water supply for their “education and career interests” , and they are not (as the media is making a point of) known to be connected to criminal groups. So nothing to worry about, move along unless you’re a greasy racist Islamophobe.

Chessplayer on May 17, 2013 at 11:21 AM

The picture in the caption is priceless and says it all!

rjoco1 on May 17, 2013 at 11:28 AM

Just as Ed used the word “unexpected” for months (years?) regarding the growth in unemployment, perhaps the word “Incompetent” should be used with this administration every time one of these incredible messups occurs. It’s time that the truth be told – either this administration is really into “changing America as we know it” – that is, changing America to a hunting ground against decent Americans or it is incredibly incompetent and the word must be used.

Who else is getting their phone tapped?

MN J on May 19, 2013 at 11:07 AM

Hello all

can someone tell me what this triple face palm photo is from. I just noticed it reoccurs, anyone?

Thanks in advance.

Observation on May 19, 2013 at 3:53 PM

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