Look out guys, because pretty soon even Laura and Barney will be trampling over you.

it would be nice to hear good things about the Kurds & how they are living peacefully.

Starblazer on December 6, 2006 at 10:31 PM

I read an opinion peice once that pointed out that almost 90% of Kurds are actually Sunni muslims. He pointed out the fact that the Sunni muslim Kurds can live peacefully and questioned why the other sunnis couldn’t get along. It was interesting.

I’m for sending in more troops, but only if they are given the go-ahead to win this war. As long as we are planning on pulling punches, we have no business sending soldiers over there.

We must overcome ourselves before we can overcome Islamo-fascists….

ritethinker on December 7, 2006 at 11:58 AM

Quite right!

However, when the mass majority of our people are content to be mindless, sheeplike simpletons, what do you do effectively.

This sort of stupidity generally takes many years to overcome (think Dark Ages), and to be honest, I don’t think that we have that many years left to salvage our nation.

Our nation, collectively, is not grateful for the sacrifices of its’ warfighters and to some extent, it could be argued, does not deserve its’ liberty.

Hence, they will be the ones shouting the loudest when this house of cards collapses upon them.

Thank God that they will still have their PS II’s, III’s and more to anesthetize them against reality.

It is 1937 all over again. Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it. In our case, it’s those who have not been taught the past are doomed to repeat it. We still teach slavery, and of course Indian genocide, but notice it’s all American history(and we’re the bad guys). We are now reaping the flaws and intentional lies of our govt. education. I heard on a local radio station a 20 year old college student ask why we fought WW2….was it really necessary…why do we always fight wars. A total ignoramus. Sad part is he’s never been taught the history of WW2 and he’s certainly not going to make the effort on his own…not when the new X-box is coming out and there is a new season of American Idol to watch. The only thing he knows about WW2 is that we evil Americans dropped the nukes on Japan. He probably knows we rounded up Japanese Americans into internment camps. Things that taken in a vacuum sound so awful, so terrible. Where is the context, the perspective? The fastest, most effective way to destroy a civilization is not with a bomb or a war. It is to diminish their capacity to understand their cause, their way, their greatness, and their history. You sever the present from the past, where is your identity? There is a line(I rarely quote a Hollywierd movie)in Amistad that tells all, that reveals truthfully the secret of life. This secret is for the faithful and the non-believers. John Adams is questioning the main character(I don’t recall the slaves name)about his determination to fight injustice. His answer is his ancestors….he believes he will win because his ancestors will come to aid him…for at this moment, he is the reason they lived. That’s it, the secret of life. What our ancestors did was to lay the path for those who follow. It is up to us to honor that sacrifice….but we are not alone..our ancestors will help for WE are the reason they lived upon this Earth. Our grand-fathers and grand-mothers, our fathers and mothers fought Nazism, Fascism, and Imperialism…and defeated it so we may live without fear. It is upon us again…will our ancestors help lead us to victory? Not if we keep ignoring their advice and sacrifice….We must overcome ourselves before we can overcome Islamo-fascists….

More of this would put the fear in them Puritan. — Scot

…oooo…tasty….

We need more of that, and more of that broadcast into every home, in order to convince the American public that the Iraq isn’t a “disagreement” or a round of schoolyard bullying, but a shootin’ waaaaar…”Here, Mom and Pop America…here’s what Junior is doin’ over in Falluja…and he’s doin’ VERY well!”

…tasty….

Does “Vietnamization” ring a bell? Good idea. Let’s stick to a good old tried and true exit strategy (sarcasm most definitely intended).

My Hunky Husband was in Ramadi this time last year and the stories I SOOOOooooo wish I could repeat here…oh, folks, you just cannot know……

Its the new Castrati in Washington that are losing this war for us. Not the Pentagon. SO NOT THE PENTAGON.

The point *ISN’T* that we have a free, democratic Iraq. *THEY* don’t even want that.

What we want is that Iraq, however it is constituted — even if they go back to licking the boots of medieval sherifs and headmen and slaughtering *EACHOTHER* — knows enough *NOT* to harbor *ANYONE*, assist *ANYONE* who might even *THINK* of crossing us…that is U.S.

Sure, it’d be nice to leave a democratic nation in our wake…and it’s not bad there, in most of the country. The problem is that the problem isn’t entirely one taking place *IN* Iraq. It’s international, in nations which scream to be invaded, but nations we’ll never get around to because half of our electorate has been taken in by the Party of Treason. They don’t want a messy war. They can’t see beyond suppertime.

What we want is a Middle East which doesn’t respect, certainly doesn’t love, the US. We haven’t enough money for that. We should, however, bend every effort to ensure that we have a Middle East which *FEARS* the US…and Iraq is as good a place to start as any.

The morons of the Middle East sit about in coffee bars, sucking on hookahs or chainsmoking, listening to other morons tell tall tales of former heroes of their blood…tales of fighting Crusaders and all of that…some even tell tales of fighting Alexander the Great…having to go back that far to find tales of their having *NOT* knuckled under to foreigners invading.

They are all afire to throw out the “infidels”, and I, for one, am not averse to going. I’d just like to know that, when we pull our young men out of Iraq that they won’t have to go back in…as in the present case…where Bush41’s actions led to *ME* going to Turkey and Iraq…and two of my son’s in the military at risk of having to put up with Bush43’s apparent weaknesses today. Both seemed and seem to only want to fight wars *SO FAR*…and no further.

Once again…you don’t *END* wars, you either win them or lose them.

We appear prepared to lose this one by not wishing to bother with it anymore. That means that the aim of instilling sufficient fear in the region, discouraging them from inconveniencing us further, will be forgotten, and we’ll get back to endless presidential campaigning…politicians in this country seem to have little time for anything else….

Clinton’s scar on America is deep…and festering….

The reason for the lack of esprit de corps is that the so-called Iraqis are not “Iraqis”, but Sunnis or Shi’ites, primarily and ultimately. (And cultural primitive tribalists, as well, just to make things worse.) “Iraq” is a British/Western fiction.

The Muslim true believer has no loyalty to any “country“, but to their religious sect. And to the urgings of their local tribal leadership.

profitsbeard on December 6, 2006 at 10:01 PM

Yes, and this is ANOTHER instance of how the Vietnam War was FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT FROM OIF ( Operation Iraqi Freedom )

Our enemy is Al Qaeda and the remaining Ba’athists, not the Shiites or Sunnis of Iraq. We need to continue killing Al Qaeda (and the Ba’athists), no matter what happens to the civil government of Iraq.

From what I can gather, we have essentially destroyed Al Qaeda in Iraq and their remnants are desperately trying to forment a religious civil war as a last desperate bid for power. If we pull out of Iraq, then the sacrifices will have been for nothing. If we stay on the same course, trying to civilize ‘em, the Democrats will almost certainly pass a law similar to the one passed in 1974 that forbade the government from giving any aid to South Vietnam.

The questions are: Do we want to stick it out as we are doing now? Do we want to increase out forces by another 50,000 troops and give them new, aggressive ROEs? Do we want to withdraw and let them have their religious civil war?

I favor the middle way. I’m convinced that only the ruthless application force will suppress the sectarian militias as well complete the destruction of Al Qaeda in Iraq.

Further, I am against any attempt to “negotiate” with Iran and Syria, because they have no interest “peace” but only in how humiliated they can make us.

Finally, I know that the Democrats are waiting like vultures for Bush to do anything OTHER than pull out of Iraq — so they can impeach and remove him.

And if he does not pull them out fast enough, the Democrats will try to summarily cut off all funding of the war, the way they did in 1974 with South Vietnam. Just listening to Durbin prattle on about the report makes that clear to me.

I agree 100%.

Hear! hear!

I’ve often thought that if I operated a 24-hr news network, I’d have a one hour feel-good news program called something like “The Good News” where all the reporting revolves around the good things that are happening in the World today. Certainly there are enough positive stories and a potentially large enough demographic audience to make such a program successful over the long haul
CliffHanger on December 6, 2006 at 10:53 PM

I can even think of a couple of slots at Fox where I might put it, with Greta’s program being at the top of that list.

–Sign me up, man. Don’t bother with slots at Fox: you can have MSNBC’s channel, as no one is actually watching.

( Olbermonkey will be the first actual living person to
have his head explode on live TV with no one watching )

liberals want the terrorists to blow up a major city so that they can blame Bush, because to liberals – he’s the one who created the terrorists since the U.S. went into Iraq in 2003

Starblazer on December 6, 2006 at 10:25 PM

This is obvious, but most people just don’t want to admit it because it makes them appear “fringe-right” or something. But it’s very clear. It’s also clear that 90%+ of the country doesn’t understand the world, the threat, etc.

it would be nice to hear good things about the Kurds & how they are living peacefully.

That ain’t news, that’s a commercial… yaawwwnn!

I’ve often thought that if I operated a 24-hr news network, I’d have a one hour feel-good news program called something like “The Good News” where all the reporting revolves around the good things that are happening in the World today. Certainly there are enough positive stories and a potentially large enough demographic audience to make such a program successful over the long haul.

I can even think of a couple of slots at Fox where I might put it, with Greta’s program being at the top of that list.

liberals want the terrorists to blow up a major city so that they can blame Bush, because to liberals – he’s the one who created the terrorists since the U.S. went into Iraq in 2003

First part of your statement – a stretch to say the least. Second part – dead on.

Have you seen anything else on this Allah?

…because many signs lead to the belief that the CiC is probably going to go along with those who would throw away everything that we have been working and dying for, for the last three years.

Name one.

Allah, it isn’t surprising you can find so many articles portraying the inevitable defeat of our goals in Iraq. It’s also not surprising anymore that you’re so inclined to take them at face value. Your pessimistic attitude is legendary. It’s what makes your cynical humor so biting and funny. But it makes your analysis total crap and completely unreliable. You could at least make an attempt at finding contrary assessments to put in your postings. Specifically, rumors regarding Pace’s disposition vis. Anbar were completely refuted by the man himself in his Press Briefing the very day that ABC story first got published. The Iraqi sergeant would leave today if we left today, but when conditions are right for our leaving ask him again. Oh that’s right, we’ll never see that interview. Cause the Times won’t publish his more optimistic assessment at that point. Get a grip, man.

I hope that my criticism doesn’t come off as too pointed or malicious. I’m still a big fan.

The Muslim true believer has no loyalty to any “country“, but to their religious sect. And to the urgings of their local tribal leadership.

Sunni Saudis and Sunni Pakistanis are more alike than a Shi’ite and Sunni “Iraqi”.

We opened the Babylonian zoo’s cages and “forgot” to send in enough lion tamers.

Failing to understand the religious, cultural and psychological history and nature of the enemy is a prescription for what we now reap: the blind trying to orchestrate a band of homicidally brainwashed zealots to play “Give Peace A Chance”.

We’d have more success with “Gotterdammerung”.

In the form of overwhelming military force.

That they would understand.

Until we completely crush Islam’s Jihadists, and convince the “moderates” to reform the murderous verses out of the Koran, this War will blunder onward to our disadvantage.

Know thy enemy- or else.