Breaking: Litvinenko’s lunch companion tests positive for polonium; Update: “Adult member” of Litvinenko family tests positive for radiation
posted at 10:17 am on December 1, 2006 by Allahpundit
Few details thus far, but this doesn’t bode well:
Brunt said: “(Mr Scaramella) is said to have significant amounts of polonium-210 in his body.”
As with every new fact in this story, it could cut both ways. The fact that Scaramella’s been victimized too makes it less likely that he’s the assassin — unless he accidentally ingested the poison while preparing it or spraying it on Litvinenko’s food. It makes it more likely that the poisoning happened at the sushi place, not the hotel bar — unless the particles Scaramella ingested had gotten caught on Litvinenko’s clothes when he was poisoned at the hotel, got detached somehow at the sushi place when a current of air blew by, and were inhaled by Scaramella.
That seems unlikely.
Fox said a few minutes ago that his symptoms are (obviously) less severe than Litvinenko’s. But since there’s no cure or treatment, doesn’t this mean it’s terminal? The dosage is tiny enough that it hasn’t knocked him off his feet yet, but it’s just going to circulate. Unless they can keep him alive long enough for the particles to decay — the half-life of Po210 is 138 days — then he’s got a big problem here.
The size of the dose that killed Litvinenko was about the size of a grain of sand. How small was the dose that Scaramella ingested? And if even a dose that small is enough to poison someone, then how can the Brits be confident that the 30,000 people who were on those planes are probably safe from harm?
Update: Bombshell after bombshell from the Daily Telegraph. Sounds like the cops have a pretty good idea of whodunnit:
Developments in the fast-moving tale, which has echoes of a spy thriller, include the revelations that:
• The assassins were so bungling that they dropped the polonium on the floor of a London hotel room, a senior government source told The Daily Telegraph yesterday.
• Scientists at the Atomic Weapons Establishment at Aldermaston are believed to have already identified the nuclear plant which made the polonium.
• Anti-terrorist officers at Scotland Yard believe the polonium was brought into London on a British Airways flight from Moscow on Oct 25, a week before Mr Litvinenko fell ill…
The senior government source, who is aware of the discussions of the Cabinet’s emergency committee, Cobra, said the picture of the killers that was emerging was closer to bungling assassins than cool James Bond-type killers.
Clear traces of the radiation were found on the floor of a room, thought to be in the Millennium hotel in central London, the source said, as well as on a light switch in the same room. The traces were so strong that they indicated the actual source of the radiation was present, not a secondary source such as excretions from Mr Litvinenko’s contaminated body.
Friends of Mr Litvinenko say that he did not visit the rooms in either of the hotels.
Update: The Evening Standard says the polonium is of Russian origin.
Update: Fox just broke in to say that the cops have evacuated a hotel in East Sussex so they can test for radiation — and that it’s now been confirmed that an unnamed “adult member” of Litvinenko’s family has also set the Geiger counters buzzing. His wife was tested earlier this week and checked out, but then Scaramella had supposedly also been tested and checked out. How long is the delay between the initial poisoning and the emergence of symptoms?
Update: Yeah, it’s his wife. Although the amount is supposedly “small.”









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I guess that was one of those times when you shouldn’t of asked…
E L Frederick (Sniper One) on December 1, 2006 at 10:25 AM
Wiki says the biological half life (how long it takes to exit the system) is 30-50 days, which gives him a better chance.
Big S on December 1, 2006 at 10:26 AM
The whole thing is crazy. However, I remember watching a show on the History channel about the KGB and some of their plots during the cold war. Those guys were really into poisoning as a form of assassination. If I remember correctly they killed someone in London in the 60′s with an umbrella that had a hypodermic needle filled with a poison in the end. I watched the show a while back so I could have my facts messed up but it still seems very coincidental that these guys are dying in ways that resemble old KGB techniques. By the way, what did Putin do before politics?- cue twilight zone music.
Trooper on December 1, 2006 at 10:40 AM
No sushi for me today, thank you very much.
JammieWearingFool on December 1, 2006 at 10:43 AM
Senior news anaylist for NPR, Daniel Schorr claims he was poisioned by the KGB back in the 50s when he was prepared to cover a Russian summit.
Side note, has anyone else seen the new James Bond? There was a decent poision scene in the movie.
natesnake on December 1, 2006 at 10:47 AM
According to Boris Volodarsky, Victor Yuschenko was likely poisioned during a meal as well and says the KGB was very much into the use of toxins.
Slublog on December 1, 2006 at 10:52 AM
The implications of this are staggering. I don’t think I will be flying to England (or anywhere else) any time soon. A few grains of this stuff has the potential to kill many, many people.
Great, something else to worry about when I go to sleep tonight.
robblefarian on December 1, 2006 at 10:58 AM
Daniel Schorr claims he was poisioned by the KGB back in the 50s when he was prepared to cover a Russian summit.
Frickin’ KGB, botching the job. Good assassins are so hard to find…
Lehuster on December 1, 2006 at 11:00 AM
He might be just fine. Because it is radiation poisoning, it depends entire on how much he had, and whether it was injested, or on his skin. He could have easily detectable amounts, but not be in any real danger at all. Or he could simply be at higher risk for cancer going forward.
Clark1 on December 1, 2006 at 11:02 AM
Amen brother.
natesnake on December 1, 2006 at 11:02 AM
Dos Vidanya, Mario.
Kid from Brooklyn on December 1, 2006 at 11:13 AM
So is Pat Buchannan going to have to re-write his (Russian) Jew conspiracy yet?
And is Sacaramella still the prime suspect for Ace?
And do we start calling it Londongrad now? Lodonistaningrad maybe? How about Red Ken’s Murderdome? Two hundred thousand asylum seekers enter, no one leaves. Maybe Madonna can play Tina Turner’s part in the updated version.
The Apologist on December 1, 2006 at 11:28 AM
Georgi Markov, the Bulgarian dissident was killed by a poisoned umbrella in 1978. Yuri Andropov was head of the KGB at the time. Yuri was thought to have engineered the attempted assasination of the Pope in 1981.
Bradky on December 1, 2006 at 11:29 AM
That must be what I recalled. My memory was fuzzy.
Trooper on December 1, 2006 at 11:38 AM
From Wikipedia (history repeats itself, hence TZ music?)
Putin formally resigned from the state security services on August 20, 1991, during the KGB-supported abortive putsch against Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev. In 1994 he became First Deputy Chairman of the city of Saint Petersburg, a position he retained until he was called to Moscow, in August 1996, to serve in a variety of senior positions in Boris Yeltsin’s second Administration. He was the first civilian head of the FSB (the successor agency to the KGB) from July 1998 to August 1999, and also served as Secretary of the Security Council from March to August 1999.
Bradky on December 1, 2006 at 11:42 AM
Hmmm, wonder if we could get a grain of that on Muqtada al-Sadr’s falafal?
maintenanceman on December 1, 2006 at 11:46 AM
Yes sir.
Trooper on December 1, 2006 at 11:49 AM
Isn’t it relatively harmless unless ingested?
Mark Jaquith on December 1, 2006 at 11:52 AM
Or inhaled. If there are particles floating around and someone sucks one in…
Allahpundit on December 1, 2006 at 11:54 AM
Hopefully the particles are heavier than anthrax. Not sure if you recall offhand but an elderly woman in upstate Penn or NY died from the anthrax mailings. They eventually calculated what the weather patterns were that day and concluded that was how she (living in a rural area) had been poisoned by it. Scary stuff in either case.
Bradky on December 1, 2006 at 11:59 AM
Using Polonium as a poison for an assanation just makes no sense to me. The risk, cost, and danger is just unecessary. This is the type of stuff you use if you want to cause widespread terror.
greggish on December 1, 2006 at 12:01 PM
As Big S pointed out, its the biological half-life that’s important. Kidneys do an amazing job of slowly filtering out what isn’t supposed to be there. What makes radioactive materials like iodiine so bad is that tissue (the thyroid gland) specifically adsorbs and holds onto iodine for a long period of time.
taznar on December 1, 2006 at 12:08 PM
They should have used iocane powder. Its odorless, tasteless and dissolves instantly in liquid. One thing is for sure, the assassins weren’t Sicilian.
BohicaTwentyTwo on December 1, 2006 at 12:19 PM
The Evening Standard is reporting the polonium was Russian.
Slublog on December 1, 2006 at 12:25 PM
But the Russians are denying, saying polonium was never made in the Krasnoyarsk territory.
Slublog on December 1, 2006 at 12:27 PM
Maybe the KGB likes it’s assassination targets to die slow horrible deaths as a kind of warning.
Clark1 on December 1, 2006 at 12:28 PM
I’m sure we could find a better, less expensive way to kill someone. Flesh eating bacteria for instance.
/agree
E L Frederick (Sniper One) on December 1, 2006 at 12:43 PM
Scaramella isn’t doomed. There are ways to decontaminate (sort of) the human body even if the radionuclide was ingested. If inhaled you can be given expectorants to help you cough up particles. If in the stomach, lots of liquids and laxatives can be given to help you eliminate as much as possible from your body. Once the damage is done to your internal organs, you can be given drugs to assist liver and kidney function or dialysis to keep you alive until you recover or until transplants could be possible, if they are so damaged by the radiation. Lungs are pretty difficult to fix.
The key would have been early detection (probably didn’t happen) and limit the exposure by reducing the amount ingested or flushing it out as fast as possible. Either way, he’s not doomed. We just don’t have enough info to tell.
Subsunk
Subsunk on December 1, 2006 at 12:46 PM
I think we just found a reason to keep Rosie around. The amount that woman sucks, you’d never have to worry about anything getting anything… (including a word in edgewise)
E L Frederick (Sniper One) on December 1, 2006 at 1:14 PM
Exactly. This is either incidental to a larger plot or the sloppiest assassination since Rasputin.
RedWinged Blackbird on December 1, 2006 at 1:25 PM
Judging by the number of planes that have been contaminated, it’s hard to not to believe that a lot more of the stuff was carried into the UK than ended up inside poor Mr. Litvinenko. If so, other shoes will surely drop.
I can think of one group of “Brits” who would love to get ahold of some Polonium. You know those lovely peace loving people who like to play with bombs in airplanes and subways?
dhimwit on December 1, 2006 at 1:27 PM
I’m still wondering whether the assassins meant for the doctors to figure out what killed Litvinenko, and if so, why they chose polonium and not say arsenic…did they really expect it to look like Litvinenko had died of natural causes? wouldn’t it have been easier just to jump him on the street? maybe they thought people would think Litvinenko had died of bad sushi…
Yossarian on December 1, 2006 at 1:34 PM
That’s what bothers me the most. It makes me wonder how long the Polonium Shuttle was in operation before some useful idiot spilled the radioactive beans.
RedWinged Blackbird on December 1, 2006 at 1:36 PM
I wonder if the assassins remeber the first rule of assassination. You know Putin sure as hell does.
Iblis on December 1, 2006 at 1:39 PM
dhimwit:
Indeed. We should not lose sight of this possibility: Litvinenko and his friends, who were pro-jihadist and supported the Chechen terrorists, could have imported the stuff in order to give to their British jihadist buddies. And then were so incompetent that they got contaminated themselves? Since this stuff is so lethal, that could easily happen. Was the nuclear material intended for another purpose, and a small particle got stuck in Litvikenko’s throat by accident? And when he realised what had happened, decided to capitalize by blaming Putin?
Not impossible.
MoonbatMedia on December 1, 2006 at 1:45 PM
Interesting article on Russia’s use of poison. Of course we should not forget the hostages killed by Russian poison gas in 2002, and Rasputin in 1916 (maybe — who really knows). Sounds like a long and friendly relationship: Russia + Poison
lan astaslem on December 1, 2006 at 2:19 PM
Good questions there. I too don’t quite get why such a sloppy method of poisoning was used. It does not make sense and tells me there might be more going on than a couple of assasination attempts.
Cary on December 1, 2006 at 2:32 PM
Holy shitzky…very frightening.
WriterMom on December 1, 2006 at 2:39 PM
A good Q&A about polonium is up at the Royal Society of Chemistry website.
Slublog on December 1, 2006 at 2:45 PM
Maybe the fish he ate simply swam to close to a nuclear sub. . .
- The Cat
MirCat on December 1, 2006 at 4:21 PM
Inconceivable, Bohica.
Melba Toast on December 1, 2006 at 4:32 PM
Behold the resurrection of the Soviet Union. The Former head of the KGB as president? Yeah, democracy was bound to last right? The one item that kept Islamo-fascists from accepting Soviet communism was the hostility to religion. For evidence of this no one need look further than Afghanistan in the early 80′s. Communism is an economic system, as is capitalism. The social structure of Russia was fascism, govt. control(I know business was govt. controlled as well). So you may ask why radical Islam would have a problem with Soviet communism? There is only one missing element, Sharia law, Islamic law, which is basically social law. How’s this for a brave new world, an arrangement between Putin and Iran to Sovietize the world economically, and Islamo-fascize the world socially. China is also a player in this formula. Now, this is asking a lot I know, but stranger things have happened. The one thing in our favor is the very thing that makes each nation dangerous, insanity, which is also the quality that makes it likely to implode. Putin is already helping Iran with nukes and just this week finalized the deal that built Iran’s air-defense system. We know what he was doing in Iraq before the war, we know what China is doing with Iran and other rogue nations and we know what Ahmedeni”jihad” is doing in Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, and inside Israel itself. The nuclear triangle, Iran, Russia, and China. All of the ingredients of WW2, when it was Germany, Italy, and Japan…
ritethinker on December 1, 2006 at 4:34 PM
ritethinker, how do you get to these WW3 conclusions? I don’t quite follow the rationale. As far as democracy is concerned, the vast majority of Russians are strongly supportive of Putin. He is, as a national leader, far more popular among his people than Bush, Blair or Chirac could ever hope for. The so-called “Russian dissidents” that the MSM talk so much about, are either Chechen jihadists or oligarchs who are angry that Putin does not allow them to cave up Russia’s wealth among a handful of buddies, while the general population starves.
Under Putin, Russia has grown stronger economically (at a rate of over 6% per annum), and it is reaching the general population (in contrast with the Yeltsin years, when only the super-rich benefited). Increased consumer spending across Russia testifies to this, as well as a massive boom in small and medium businesses. Putin has done miracles for the Russian people.
MoonbatMedia on December 1, 2006 at 5:00 PM
In this situation, the death itself is only the secondary reason. If death was the only goal, a bullet, a knife, a fall from a tall building or a more common poison would all be more practical, more effective and a heck of a lot cheaper.
The main reason for using polonium was not its effectiveness, nor to spread general terror but to SEND A SUBTLE MESSAGE. Not to the general public, but to a select few.
LegendHasIt on December 1, 2006 at 5:09 PM
Usually when I go into a resturant I ask for no MSG, from now on I am asking for no polonium.
If Emeril doesn’t use it, I won’t use it.
right2bright on December 1, 2006 at 5:16 PM
I know this may be a dumb question, but (a) if Polonium requires the resources of a state to be refined and manufactured in high quantities, (b) if the State that produced it can be traced back to Russia, (c) if the perps were agents of the Russian state acting on orders of the Russian State, (d)if, in carrying out those orders, they killed a Brirish subject on British soil and (e) in so doing have contaminated and possibly affected other Brirish subjects, or residents on British soil, why isn’t that an Act of War?
Blaise on December 1, 2006 at 6:23 PM
Blaise:
What should Britain do, attack Russia? There is a precedent. Napoleon and Hitler tried.
There cannot be a war ever between US/Britain and Russia, because such a war will destroy both sides through nuclear obliteration. Russia has enough nuclear warheads to level all major cities in the world several times over. So perhaps warmongering is not the answer here.
MoonbatMedia on December 1, 2006 at 6:47 PM
You didn’t really answer Blaise’s question, did you? The fact that Russia could kick Britain’s butt doesn’t mean that Russia didn’t commit an act of war. Maybe Mr. Blair should pose the question to Mr. Putin.
RedWinged Blackbird on December 1, 2006 at 6:53 PM
Bohica, Bohica…I’m surprised at you!
Every good spy has developed an immunity to iocaine powder.
SunnyBrook on December 1, 2006 at 6:57 PM
Want to hear my kooky conspiracy theory?….Iran. Think they are building those reactors for nuclear bombs. Maybe. OK, I know it’s stretching it, but it makes you think.
vcferlita on December 1, 2006 at 7:00 PM
Or Pakistan.
RedWinged Blackbird on December 1, 2006 at 7:06 PM
The verdict on the case is still out, there is no evidence that the Russian state assassinated Litvinenko. There is not even evidence that it was murder yet — although the media gladly proclaims it as a murder, without conclusive evidence.
To talk of an “act of war” by Russia against Britain is, I fear, a little far-out at this stage.
MoonbatMedia on December 1, 2006 at 7:50 PM
Agreed. It’s a hypothetical question at this point. If the Russian state assassinated Litvinenko and killed British subjects in the process, is it an act of war?
RedWinged Blackbird on December 1, 2006 at 8:05 PM
These sort of things happened during the Cold War. To think that the Russians have become “kindler, gentler, and more touchy-feely”, would be sort of like believing in something that may not appear or is not real.
Nice to believe in but not so nice when the reality sets in.
Shadows, more shadows, and a wilderness of mirrors.
The question is who directed and who allowed who to do what they did in the manner in which it was done.
Any thoughts?
Emmett J. on December 2, 2006 at 1:42 AM
No. If, hypothetically speaking, the Russian government ordered the assassination of an enemy (or perceived enemy) abroad, it does not necessarily constitute an act of war against the country that dissident happens to find himself in. For example, if Osama Bin Laden hides out in Russia somewhere, and the CIA assassinates him there, does it mean the USA wants to declare war on Russia? I think not.
MoonbatMedia on December 2, 2006 at 6:00 AM
The reality of speculation and propaganda? Certainly.
However, political correctness has effectively castrated Western male society and made them pathetic. Why should Russia follow their lead in this regard, or be kind to their enemies?
MoonbatMedia on December 2, 2006 at 6:06 AM
I’ve reserving judgement. I have my doubts that the Russian government was involved; Putin has bigger fish to fry. Through sweet words and oil, he already has busted NATO apart. The EU knows who keeps their bread toasty. What motive has he in scaring them back into the embrace of Washington by engaging in petty little hit jobs? Still anything’s possible. Like I say, I’m not calling this one.
dhimwit on December 2, 2006 at 7:31 AM
Putin is wooing the EU lately:
Russia – EU partnership crucial for united, prosperous Europe
MoonbatMedia on December 2, 2006 at 7:34 AM
Moonbat: I didn’t frame the question so as to restrict it to the killing of Litvinenko (though he was a British citizen at the time of his death). I framed it so as to include among the victims “British subjects”…including innocent diners, aircraft passengers, inhabitants of buildings where this stuff may have been kept etc.
You have dodged the question as to whether, assuming the variables are true, would this constitute an act of war? I am afraid that it might because this would provide authorities with a good reason to avoid disclosure of the results of their investigation…obviously if this was an act of war, then it would be incumbent upon the UK government to do something so as to protect its citizens and defend its sovereignty (there are many potential responses short of, as you suggested, armed conflict).
So the question is still out there, hanging.
Blaise on December 3, 2006 at 2:44 PM