The American Press and Enemy Propaganda

posted at 8:09 am on November 30, 2006 by Bryan

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Morale is in the military is low, I can attest, but we must keep plodding away for that shining city on the hill.

Don’t let these Dem snakes leave our boys to die for nothing.

seejanemom on November 30, 2006 at 8:51 AM

Can you imagine the outcome of WW2 if this media were covering it?

They are quick to report anything that makes America look bad, the situation look hopeless, and conservatives look unreasonable.

Keep up the good work, MM.

Vanquisher on November 30, 2006 at 9:17 AM

I truly, TRULY believe that this war could have been won and the mess cleaned up inside of eighteen months if not for those rancid bits of pus—-embedded reporters propogandists.

I say let them figure they own way over ther. Hire their own rides and guns….screw them. THEY and the PENTAGONS PAOs are to blame for the failures we have seen.

seejanemom on November 30, 2006 at 9:23 AM

OK… so I can’t spell “propagandist” correctly when I’m livid. Deal.

seejanemom on November 30, 2006 at 9:26 AM

This whole damn country needs to get into a 12 step program. The first step is to accept responsibility for your own actions. Blaming the media would be comical if it were not so sadly trite.

honora on November 30, 2006 at 9:27 AM

Whats crazy about the dinosaur media is that they are so easily intimidated by accusations of insensitiviy, or threats of violence (muhammed cartoons) and so won’t print anything that could offend our enemy, but they are one of the most effective tools of our enemy and they don’t seem to care.
They throw around the first ammendment when they want to insult the president with impugnity, but they forget it when it comes to our enemies.

Donkeyhue on November 30, 2006 at 9:30 AM

Michelle: “… and stop deriding legitimate questions about the quality and reliability of its reports.”

Indeed.

This blind attempt to defend this flakey story isn’t helping their case; it’s just making them look silly. But their ego is so big there is no way they will admit they could be wrong.

Lawrence on November 30, 2006 at 9:33 AM

Blaming the media would be comical if it were not so sadly trite.

Blaming the media for reporting something other than the facts is perfectly rational. Credit where it is due.

I wonder how long the LA Times is going to circle the drain before someone finally closes the lid. Will it be the first major city daily to go under?

Pablo on November 30, 2006 at 9:33 AM

The media’s attempts to defend themselves isn’t making them look silly, it’s making them look criminal.

Buzzy on November 30, 2006 at 9:38 AM

Hmmm… publishing enemy propoganda??? … check…

3 leaked classified documents this week??? … yep…

President dis’d by piss ant countries Leaders???… uh huh…covered with glee…

“Parts” of Baker report leaked… yep….

94% of all stories out of Iraq negative???… independent research says…. yes….

If some can’t see the pattern here, they need to remove their blinders.

Romeo13 on November 30, 2006 at 9:44 AM

Anybody else remember:

Pham Xuan An, 79, the Viet Cong colonel who worked as a reporter for U.S. news organizations during the Vietnam War while also spying for the communists,

If there is a simiarity between Viet Nam and Iraq, it is the media, trying for the loss they generated with Cronkite and the Tet offensive.

Wander on November 30, 2006 at 10:01 AM

The REAL Islam spread once before like this in the past. It took the Crusades to stop it. The world atmosphere is far too PC to stop it this time, and there are obviously far too many Godless liberal minds here in the U.S. to even consider doing anything to even TRY to stop it. Heck, these fools want to embrace it(allowing someone to swear an oath to U.S. office on a Koran that says virtually all of America should be killed or enslaved), or else they want to appease it with “dialog”. Like, you can talk people OUT of what they are driven to do by offering them something they don’t want. Now, if you offered to help destroy the Nation of Israel, it would buy you SOME time, at least until Israel was destroyed, but then they would come for you anyway.

Europe is just now waking up to the real threat that they, in their liberal ignorance, have been ignoring for a long time. Democrats and other liberal minds here will do EXACTLY the same thing, and THIS will be the result…

Absurdly, the politically correct Left is celebrating the replacement of Europe’s diverse cultures by a single grim Islamic one in the name of “cultural diversity.” Here are a few examples of what this so-called diversity entails:

In England, Muslims are creating no-go areas for native Europeans. Signs indicate that whites can enter only at their own risk. Hindus are also subjected to ethnic cleansing. Caucasians are fleeing Londonistan in
droves.

In France, there were 818 of these “no-go” zones when the presumably horrified government stopped keeping track – which was way back in 2002. Anything representing Western civilization, including post office trucks and fire engines, is routinely attacked with Molotov cocktails in these areas.

The welfare checks go in; only violence and Islam come out. In French math classes, Muslim students refuse to write “plus” signs because they remind them of the Christian cross. Following last year’s riots, the police announced that the situation had returned to normal when a day passed with only 98 vehicles set on fire by Muslim hooligans.

In Holland, Muslims will soon make up the majority in all major cities. Forty percent of Moroccan Muslims in the Netherlands explicitly reject Western values and democracy. Thirty-two percent of native Dutch already want out of what’s left of their country.

In Germany, at least 50 women have been killed in the past decade in “honor killings” – i.e., for trying to live Western lifestyles. Germans are considered by the Muslim colonizers to be “stinking people” who are “doomed to go to hell” for being “useless creatures and infidels.”

In Denmark, Muslim taxi drivers spy on female immigrants, so they can be hunted down and killed if they attempt to escape from Muslim society.

In Norway and Sweden, protection money must be paid to bloodthirsty Muslim gangs.

It is becoming increasingly impossible to deny that the bleak and brutal culture of Islam is in the process of destroying European civilization.

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1183

Thanks to liberals here, it’s on the way!

NRA4Freedom on November 30, 2006 at 10:20 AM

Centcom needs to file a libel suit. Fed prosecutors need to charge multiple organizations and “reporters” with aiding and abetting an enemy in time of war.

infidel on November 30, 2006 at 10:32 AM

Blaming the media for reporting something other than the facts is perfectly rational. Credit where it is due.

I wonder how long the LA Times is going to circle the drain before someone finally closes the lid. Will it be the first major city daily to go under?

Pablo on November 30, 2006 at 9:33 AM

If the story is incorrect, the media needs to be taken to task. (It has not been proven to be incorrect as of yet). It’s the jump from that to “the media is an instrument of the enemy and is the reason we are so fucked in Iraq” that I am talking about.

honora on November 30, 2006 at 11:09 AM

Morale is in the military is low, I can attest, but we must keep plodding away for that shining city on the hill.

seejanemom on November 30, 2006 at 8:51 AM

The one thing about soldiers is, they always complain. But when when we say moral is low… what is the context?

Is moral low because the military is doing badly, or because the government has seemingly lost it’s focus and direction for the war?

The way the MSM plays it, the military is loosing badly and there is no plan for the war. But for all the blathering in the ‘Legacy Media’, there is little if no coroboration for their claims. No matter how hard they try to manufacture it.

The fact is, the military isn’t loosing and the war plans haven’t changed. The fact is that the conflict just isn’t over yet and certain people are losing patience because it is taking a bit longer than expected. But in a historical context, war always takes a bit longer than expected.

The fact is, this war is good for the news business, and it nakes for easy headlines. The news has no incentive to help win the war because they would have to go back to reporting mundane stuff like crime and politics.

Lawrence on November 30, 2006 at 11:21 AM

“Morale is low”??
At the risk of dating myself I was at Army bases in the VietNam area and entered the military in 81. Drug use was wide open, instructions had to be printed in English and Spanish, discipline was abysmal, etc. etc. The poor support and lack of political will to win were the root causes, and to some degree the many deferments available to people with money to go into college didn’t help morale.
We may be frustrated at the high ops tempo but to say morale is low is quite a stretch in my opinion. Our Volunteer military has some of the best, brightest and most motivated men and women of our society. We asked to be here and are proud to serve.
Point is “low morale” is a relative term. We are a long way from service wide dissatisfaction and anarchy.

Bradky on November 30, 2006 at 11:34 AM

When I was in the service we always put out information on every mission or engagement for the press to use. Every effort was made to be accurate, and if and when mistakes were made, they were corrected.

Why doesn’t the press rely on reports from US Military sources? Oh, I know, because the MSM doesn’t trust the US Military….. (many hate the US Military)

The MSM would rather print stories from unreliable non-US (anti-US) sources and non-existent sources than from those of the US Military. How pathetic.

Americans are not stupid, they are learning (slowly) what the press is doing (anti-US, anti-war propaganda) and they are beginning to understand exactly what side the MSN is on.

flagwaver on November 30, 2006 at 11:40 AM

Great Vent Michelle! Again you expose the MSM in their “reporting” with facts, clear rationale, and excellent presentation. Hot Air, Michelle, and the crew behind them are an invaluable resource as the MSM is engaged in disiminating propaganda during a crucial period in our nation’s history.

In my opinion many components of the MSM, including the AP, the NY and LA Times, are engaged in journalistic fraud as their “reporting” reflects their deliberate attempts to manipulate public opinion to benefit their political agenda. Most of the components of the MSM will not hesitate to modify their “reporting” with their political bias, from the subtile use of journalistic persuasion to outright fraud.

The Left will continue to support such sedition during wartime because they believe that their intersts are similar, if not identical, in many ways to our enemies. This sedition from the Left is the biggest single weakness the United States has and is the reason that military actions from Vietnam forward to this day have produced less than desired results.

I believe that this condition will not change until we experience not one, but two major disasters comprable to Pearl Harbor and 9/11. What we can do until this change in the political climate occurs is to become aware of the details of the MSM manipulation of public opinion and participate in sites such as Hot Air.

Thank you Michelle and Hot Air Folk for your invaluable contribution during this important period in our nation’s history.

omegaram on November 30, 2006 at 11:58 AM

This is my first time posting on here so be gentle.

I am in the Military and how come everyone says morale is low. I have to disagree we all bitch and complain about having to go to Iraq, but thats all it is. While I was in country I developed a brotherhood with my fellow military members. Then we I was medivaced out of Iraq, every single member that I was with in the hospital was hole heartdly intentn on going back to be with their brotherhood.

I know this may all sound crazy but I for one am sick and tired of the MSM going out of their way to make the war sound far gone when it is going better. Lets not talk about the schools that have been built or the fact the rolling blackouts have almost stopped.

I believe I may be rambling so I will go, but I do want to say excellent “VENT” MM. It is the best part of my day to come to this site and be able to disertain the truth for myself. Thank you to all involved with “Hot-Air”

mechanic916 on November 30, 2006 at 12:00 PM

I was always told, and I passed this on to junior leaders also, the time to worry is when the troops quit complaining. Regarding morale it ebbs and flows, lets not forget that any measuremnet of morale right now must be taken in the context of what time of year it is. It doesn’t matter where you are stationed when it comes to the holiday season everybody gets the blues. Hell I was married for 9 years before I ever managed to be home for an anniversary, the up side is I never got harangued for not remembering it. Always got to look for the silver lining.
One comment that struck home for me came from a soldier home on mid tour leave and stated that the only positive stories on our news always come on Friday at the end of the news cast as a human interest type story and even then there would be a taint of negativity about it. He pointed to a story done about medics giving medical care in a tent to the locals. It made it seem as if conditions were so bad that there was no choice but to come to the tent like some sort of refugee camp. The truth was there were no medical facilities out this region of Iraq, but a clinic was being built. He closed out by giving a joke. “What is the difference between Iraqi children under the age of 5 and American children?”
A: All Iraqi children under the age of 5 have been immunized against all childhood diseases.

LakeRuins on November 30, 2006 at 12:18 PM

We should just ask for media retractions. There has been a clear and repeated attempt by the media elites to mislead and misinform the American public. This isnt a single small mistake this is a repeated abuse by numberous news organizations.

We dont need retractions we need accountability. Every AP or LA Times editor and reporter caught up in these lies needs to lose their job. They have abused their positions and if not deliberately mislead us were completely unconcerned about posting enemy propaganda.

William Amos on November 30, 2006 at 12:58 PM

Morale is in the military is low, I can attest, but we must keep plodding away for that shining city on the hill.

Please, do attest…..Where do you get your information from?

R D on November 30, 2006 at 1:31 PM

mechanic916 – Thanks for posting!! It’s always GREAT to hear from the Troops because you guys know the truth of what is really going on.

It’s great to hear morale is high among you “guys” in the trenches.

It’s a dirty rotten shame that the MSM writes articles and stories that undermine guys like you and the mission you know is right.

If I may ask? How did you get injured? Understand if you don’t want to talk about it. I will remember you in my prayers and pray that you have a speedy recovery, you are the best of the best.

mechanic916 – Thanks a MILLION for your service!!

flagwaver on November 30, 2006 at 4:07 PM

mechanic916 on November 30, 2006 at 12:00 PM

Thanks for your service, I have a marine nephew that has made two trips to Iraq, and one to Afghanistan, and he says the same. It is a soldiers right to bitch, but he states the same as you, they are proud of what they have accomplished and they feel they can finish the job.
God bless.

right2bright on November 30, 2006 at 4:08 PM

Why doesn’t the press rely on reports from US Military sources? Oh, I know, because the MSM doesn’t trust the US Military….. (many hate the US Military)

flagwaver on November 30, 2006 at 11:40 AM

The press giving the military credit would “legitimize” military “propaganda”… at least in the eyes of the press. And that would mean that the military might actually “manipulate” the press to their own ends.

…never mind that allowing themselves to be manipulated (by the terrorists) is exactly what they are doing in the way they are currently reporting the war.

Sadly, I think they know this, and they just don’t seem to care… but, by golly, they’re not allowing themselves to be manipulated by the military, no matter the cost.

Lawrence on November 30, 2006 at 4:16 PM

Michelle’s investigative skills are impressive. Could she be the feminine version Sherlock Holmes? Again, I say she is as sharp as a tack. Well done.

As for the liberal dhimmi-crat press, they are natural born losers therefore they have no concept of winning. Quitters. Losers. Yes, cowards too.

Zorro on November 30, 2006 at 9:05 PM

Great Vent,
Thanks again Michelle for your ability to know the news better than the disinform media .

These people need another job because they keep getting caught with their lies….Go Get Them Michelle…

My son is in the (Army)now in Iraq, as i’ve repeated before
he’s not crying or bitching and he is always ready and still willing to kick ass and take names for his country and family and he’s more upbeat than the media thinks.

I wish they would talk to him because he would put them in their place….Down with the liberal media…

alyce on November 30, 2006 at 9:33 PM

NRA4Freedom on November 30, 2006 at 10:20 AM

Great list. Here’s another fact, not from the media but from acquaintances in Europe – the number of wealthy Europeans who’re leaving for the Caribbean islands or other places is on the increase.

Fighting? Oh, no, they’re one-world citizens and totally PC. Fleeing with their money to escape the ‘filthy’ Muslims and their culture, and establishing comfortable European lifestyle enclaves around the world, much simpler.

Entelechy on November 30, 2006 at 9:54 PM

If the story is incorrect, the media needs to be taken to task. (It has not been proven to be incorrect as of yet).

honora, are you suggesting that a negative be proven? It is the responsibility of AP to prove Mr. Hussein exists and that he is who he says he is. Furthermore, if they do indeed prove Mr. Hussein exists, he is in violation of police standards as he is not at the command level required to disseminate information to the press.

And are you suggesting that fake stories about US and coalition “atrocities” or fake news about sectarian violence does not have an impact on the level of engagement by the enemy? Are you suggesting that the media wouldn’t allow itself, unwittingly or not, to be the enemy’s instrument in achieving their goals due to their overwhelming desire to “get the scoop”?

Oyster on December 1, 2006 at 7:18 AM

honora, are you suggesting that a negative be proven? It is the responsibility of AP to prove Mr. Hussein exists and that he is who he says he is. Furthermore, if they do indeed prove Mr. Hussein exists, he is in violation of police standards as he is not at the command level required to disseminate information to the press.

Agree.

And are you suggesting that fake stories about US and coalition “atrocities” or fake news about sectarian violence does not have an impact on the level of engagement by the enemy?

I believe that the sectarian violence is very, very real. So do the generals. I believe fake or premature “news” re atrocities are harmful; at the same time, actual atrocities (and if you don’t think there are any you don’t know anything about war) are more harmful.

Are you suggesting that the media wouldn’t allow itself, unwittingly or not, to be the enemy’s instrument in achieving their goals due to their overwhelming desire to “get the scoop”?

Oyster on December 1, 2006 at 7:18 AM

I don’t think you can allow yourself to be used “unwittingly”; allow implies permission. That said, I am sure that news reporters jump the gun a lot–you see that on this blog all the time (at least with AllahP you get the caveats, he’s the real deal).

At the end of the day, the news is a symptom (is that spelt right???) and follows the public’s POV, not the other way around.

honora on December 1, 2006 at 8:38 AM

alyce – thanks for sharing about your son being so upbeat and stepping forward to protect and defend us, I love how you said he is still ready and willing to kick jihadist ass for us.

God Bless you for raising such a great son.

Words are not enough, please let him know how many of us understand the sacrifice and nobility of his service.

flagwaver on December 1, 2006 at 8:51 AM