Smoking guns: Iranians backing the Shiite militias in Iraq

posted at 1:38 pm on November 30, 2006 by Bryan

ABC has the exclusive:

WASHINGTON, Nov. 30, 2006 — U.S. officials say they have found smoking-gun evidence of Iranian support for terrorists in Iraq: brand-new weapons fresh from Iranian factories. According to a senior defense official, coalition forces have recently seized Iranian-made weapons and munitions that bear manufacturing dates in 2006.

This suggests, say the sources, that the material is going directly from Iranian factories to Shia militias, rather than taking a roundabout path through the black market. “There is no way this could be done without (Iranian) government approval,” says a senior official.

Iranian-made munitions found in Iraq include advanced IEDs designed to pierce armor and anti-tank weapons. U.S. intelligence believes the weapons have been supplied to Iraq’s growing Shia militias from Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps, which is also believed to be training Iraqi militia fighters in Iran.

Evidence is mounting, too, that the most powerful militia in Iraq, Moktada al-Sadr’s Mahdi army, is receiving training support from the Iranian-backed terrorists of Hezbollah.

Two senior U.S. defense officials confirmed to ABC News earlier reports that fighters from the Mahdi army have traveled to Lebanon to receive training from Hezbollah.

Read the rest, as ABC deserves the traffic for reporting this.

This news should be a call to arms for this country to unite and deal decisively with Iran. Instead it will be either ignored or downplayed by the left, until a conspiracy theory can be constructed to explain it away. Those pushing to talk with Iran over Iraq probably won’t change their thinking.

Whether we like it or not, we’re fighting a regional war that happens to be taking place mostly in Iraq. King Abdullah’s “three civil wars” are the various theaters of that war in the Middle East (there are others), as Islamists attempt to defeat us in Iraq while seizing Lebanon in order to destroy Israel. Secondarily, seizing Lebanon gives the Islamists yet another country under their control, with increased access to the Mediterranean for the purpose of moving operatives and materiel around the region and into Europe and North Africa. Simply put, it makes the Islamists politically stronger and weakens the democracy movement in the region.

This is the reality, and we have to deal with it as it is, not as we might wish it to be.

INDC Journal and Powerline are also on the story.


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Iraq has long been a proxy war with both Syria and Iran

And now some are suggesting we allow them to resolve Iraq

So we should put the murderers in charge of all the people of Iraq ?

William Amos on November 30, 2006 at 1:40 PM

why does anyone think this will matter?
Iran will claim the CIA hid them there and no one will believe the Coalition
The MSM will not report this thereby making this a non issue

Again, I think unfortunately this will not matter

Defector01 on November 30, 2006 at 1:43 PM

Best thing that could happen is for them to truly start a Civil War.

Let their troops come out in the open…. insta 40K body bags and less terrorism….

Time to take the gloves off….

Romeo13 on November 30, 2006 at 1:48 PM

How inept does this make this administration that we’re unable to stop flows of weapons into Iraq during a war? With all the technology we have at our disposal, we seem to be fighting with less effectiveness than cavemen battling wild animals.

As much as I hate to admit it … if we’re not going to actually “fight” this war, then just get out. I’m sick of it. Give the libs what they want and then blame them for the holocost in 2008.

Gregor on November 30, 2006 at 1:50 PM

I really have one wish for Christmas,that Bush just goes out blazing,tells Baker and his ilk to KMA and just go to town on these rogue/terrorist/militant Islamofascists.

bbz123 on November 30, 2006 at 1:52 PM

I really have one wish for Christmas,that Bush just goes out blazing,tells Baker and his ilk to KMA and just go to town on these rogue/terrorist/militant Islamofascists.

If Bush really wanted to end this war … he would have done it already. It’s really not that tough. You take the weapons away from the bad guys … and the fighting stops. With the technology we have at our disposal … the only logical reason we have not disarmed the Iraqis is that we DON’T WANT TO.

Why that is, I just don’t know. But is smalls of something dirty.

Gregor on November 30, 2006 at 1:57 PM

Moktada al-Sadr denied his Mahdi army is receiving training from the terrorists of Hezbollah, isn’t that like proof that Bush lied? And if he lied about that then he must be lying about everything else. I doubt he was even in Jordan.

Now as to Iran, Isn’t 30 years long enough? Can we hit back now? I don’t want to glow in the dark!!!

Gwillie on November 30, 2006 at 1:58 PM

Geeze, I wouldn’t have seen that coming.

Kini on November 30, 2006 at 1:58 PM

This news will be all but ignored in the MSM, this is not the kind of news that they want to hear. This story will wind up being a report on the how the US military is so inept.

d1carter on November 30, 2006 at 2:01 PM

No shit.
I think CENTCOM talked about this in some of their daily briefings back in Jan or Feb. Anybody remember the news of shaped charges being used to great effect back then.
MSM editors are jsut a little bit behind in their reading.

LakeRuins on November 30, 2006 at 2:01 PM

How inept does this make this administration that we’re unable to stop flows of weapons into Iraq during a war? With all the technology we have at our disposal, we seem to be fighting with less effectiveness than cavemen battling wild animals.

As much as I hate to admit it … if we’re not going to actually “fight” this war, then just get out. I’m sick of it. Give the libs what they want and then blame them for the holocost in 2008.

Gregor

You mean GWB is incapable of closing borders to illegal workers? My God! Astonishing!

Defector01 on November 30, 2006 at 2:02 PM

My first post got eaten.
CENTCOM covered this in their daily briefings back in Jan or Feb. This ain’t news. The MSM editors are just behind in their reading.

LakeRuins on November 30, 2006 at 2:03 PM

We have forgone a lot of vengeance since 1979, but we really need to collect on this receipt. Seriously.

Kid from Brooklyn on November 30, 2006 at 2:06 PM

You mean GWB is incapable of closing borders to illegal workers? My God! Astonishing!

Defector01 on November 30, 2006 at 2:02 PM

I did not say it’s astonishing. It doesn’t surprise ME at all. There are still too many conservatives who feel Bush is the greatest thing since Reagan … even though he’s done absolutely nothing conservative since the initial invasion of Afghanistan. Zero.

Blindness is not limited to liberals.

Gregor on November 30, 2006 at 2:08 PM

This is SO discouraging, because we all know that the MSM will let it die down and Bush won’t do anything about it.

I just hope Iran doesn’t choose the midwest to set off the nuke.

Dr. Gecko on November 30, 2006 at 2:15 PM

If Bush really wanted to end this war … he would have done it already. It’s really not that tough. You take the weapons away from the bad guys … and the fighting stops. With the technology we have at our disposal … the only logical reason we have not disarmed the Iraqis is that we DON’T WANT TO.

Terrorism is only effective in the court of Pubic Opinion, in that the attacks have little military impact. However when the military responds, the terrorist can use that response to clam excessive use of force, as in Lebanon this summer (with the UN’s help of course). So restraint has a strategic place in this conflict; however there is a time when little else can be done and force is the only option. We have to go for the source to make this as painless as possible. We now see what happens when you give the bad guys a break i.e. Moktada al-Sadr. The PC police stopped us in 2003 when we went after him (and in Fallujah) and now they are to loudest voices saying that it is too late to stop him, they say we must talk with him… NEWS FLASH we did, it didn’t work. We had to go back and finish in Fallujah and now we have to finish the Mahdi Army. The longer we wait to do something the worse it’s going to be! These PC police are the same people who say we must talk to Iran, Syria, and Hamas.
And say what? Please don’t hurt us? Please keep selling us oil? Please don’t make us convert?
I will not Submit!!

Gwillie on November 30, 2006 at 2:29 PM

Oh I forgot to add the above post is only my uninformed opinion and may not be all that useful but it did make me feel better just to get it out of my system.

Gwillie on November 30, 2006 at 2:31 PM

Paging Agent Bauer…

Kid from Brooklyn on November 30, 2006 at 2:41 PM

Just rewatched the Patton (George C. Scott)speechhere.

Struck me that he said: “The very notion of losing is hateful to Americans.”

When did that change?

I think if we wanted to win this war, we would refuse any suggestion to talk with Iran, and send a decisive message about thier weapons being sent into Iraq. It already is a regional war. Why don’t we admit it, and engage them?

nailinmyeye on November 30, 2006 at 2:43 PM

Iran is responsible for too many deaths of Americans. They keep kicken Uncle Sam in the shin, soon there will be an abundance of glass in Iran.

infidel on November 30, 2006 at 2:43 PM

nailinmyeye,

Funny you mentioned Patton; it changed with Patton (not having the BALLS to win a war) when he asked Ike to let him kick the Russians out of Germany, back to Russia at the end of WWII. They called him “MAD” and relieved him of the 3rd Army. Next, McCarthur had a plan to stop the Commie Red Chinese to stop over running North Korea (plan included small nukes). Truman relieved McCarthur.
Then came Viet Nam.
Now, Iraq.
Political Correctness is destroying AMERICA as well as the Europeans.

mountainmanbob on November 30, 2006 at 2:55 PM

clarification:

Patton had more than enough balls, the US lost our will to CRUSH the enemy. Sorry, I poorly worded the 1st sentence.

mountainmanbob on November 30, 2006 at 2:58 PM

We’ll stop this like we stopped Nanking. Like we struck back hard after the sinking of the Panay.

And those bastage Fascisti will never take Ethiopia.

That was the “greatest” generation…

The Bush Doctrine was half-again too smart for history. Too bad it’s over. We almost had a chance to crawl out of the thick muck of our ignorant past, still wet with our father’s blood, and their father’s blood, and…

a4g on November 30, 2006 at 3:45 PM

…we’ve been at war, by proxy and (back in Lebanon in the ’80′s) in person. It’s time for the war to come out of the closet. It needs to become *VERY* expensive for Iran to do business in Lebanon and Iraq.

That said, I don’t expect much.

Puritan1648 on November 30, 2006 at 4:23 PM

I’m thinkin’ we need to finish up with Iraq before we do Iran. Ahmajamadingdong knows this and that’s why he wants to keep the war in Iraq. Once we’re done there and the Iraqi Army takes over the fight in their country I predict we’ll invade Iran from Iraq and Afghanistan. (Well, maybe we would’ve if the dhimmis didn’t win the midterms). Hit Syria from Iraq at the same time. It has to be done. Sorry all you pussifists out there, but it’s either them or us. Pick one. There’s talkin’ to ‘em.

Tony737 on November 30, 2006 at 6:26 PM

America is the ‘doormat’ Bush laid out to welcome his foreign invaders.

Mellen on November 30, 2006 at 6:51 PM

I think Iran has been the ultimate target all along.

Phase one: put your right foot in Afghanistan.
Phase Two: put your left foot in Iraq (pausing a moment to let Isreal cover our back by entangling Syria), and
Phase Three: firmly apply pressure from both sides.

Ken Tankerous on November 30, 2006 at 7:10 PM

I’m thinkin’ we need to finish up with Iraq before we do Iran.

WADR Tony, but Iraq is Iran. By that I mean that the war we are currently fighting in Iraq is against Iran. They’re funding, they’re training, they’re fighting, they’re arming, etc. It’s all them.

I think we need to make it expensive for Iran to do business at all. Their oil is their wealth and therefore their power. We should hit their fields and (if they have any) their refineries. The time it would take for their economy to completely collapse would be measured in weeks.

urbancenturion on November 30, 2006 at 10:18 PM

Finding Iranian weapons in Iraq, what a shock. What’s next, a Clinton Intern with a spot on her dress………

ritethinker on December 1, 2006 at 6:04 PM