The Make-it-up media

posted at 9:15 am on November 29, 2006 by Bryan

Getting the news from the enemy *Update II *Yacoub
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AP calls military “ludicrous”
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WE are the real media today, folks. Keep blogging Righties!

seejanemom on November 29, 2006 at 9:24 AM

Michele;

None of these guys are/were authorized to make statements, but how many of them are fictional? Maybe the AP reporter can take some Centcom Intel guy to that police station he said he visited and introduce him to his source.

enigma00825 on November 29, 2006 at 9:28 AM

Does this really surprise anyone? It would be too much to ask of reporters to get off their lazy ass’s and verify anything. Walter Cronkite set the standard in 1968.

Wade on November 29, 2006 at 10:05 AM

Are there pictures? None. How can you call your sources unidentified when you have already named them? Worst of all, they don’t even exist.

Ouabam on November 29, 2006 at 10:05 AM

Lawrence O’Donnell is a twit and a major league A Hole but he was absolutely spot on when he dedcribed himself and his fellow travelers in the media as follows.

O`DONNELL: Not one of us has the courage to put ourselves in a military uniform or ever go into combat!

there it is on November 29, 2006 at 10:28 AM

Great Vent Michelle! This is the reporting and commentary we need!

Michelle and the Hot Air Folk are consistently exposing the Mainstream Media (MSM) for, at best, inaccurate reporting. In my opinion the reporting is not sloppy but is deliberate misrepresentation to support their political bias to the Left. Michelle and the Hot Air folk are exposing the MSM for what they have been for so long: a method of propaganda disimination for the Left.

What we can do about this state of affairs with the MSM is to become aware of their “misreporting” and discuss what I believe is the MSM deliberate attempts to manipulate public opinion to their political agenda.

Thank you Michelle for this exposure of the MSM.

omegaram on November 29, 2006 at 10:41 AM

The stuck pigs squeal!

mymanpotsandpans on November 29, 2006 at 10:44 AM

You know, one wonders how long this has been going on. Seriously – Has AP and other news organizations been making up shit for years? Decades?

How many of the ‘sources’ the media (and AP) have cited in recent years actually existed? Did Walter Cronkite quote unnamed (and non-existent) sources during Vietnam too?

CrazyFool on November 29, 2006 at 10:46 AM

This vent seems a little premature as the AP has stood by it’s story, refuted the military’s allegations, and fervently claimed these people do exsist and are in the Iraqi military. I’m not picking sides or saying Centcom is wrong and the AP is right–I just think it’s too early to say Centcom is right and the AP is wrong. Clearly the miltary has a history of denying involvement in things that later evidence shows it did indeed particpate in. Let’s just wait until the smoke clears until we draw conclusions.

Also, the fact that the Iraqi military can’t confirm who this guy shouldn’t suprise anyone. The miltary can’t keep insurgants out it’s ranks, can’t stop the violence, and really doesn’t appear very functional. I’m sure their personnel records aren’t exactly in alphabetical order.

JaHerer22 on November 29, 2006 at 10:50 AM

Centcom is the only source I need, don’t listen to Baghdad Bob.

infidel on November 29, 2006 at 10:59 AM

We taped it late yesterday afternoon…the AP crawled to USA Today shortly after. Don’t worry. We’ll be following up.

Michelle on November 29, 2006 at 11:07 AM

On my left hand, I can believe some guy whose role in all this, if he even exists, is questionable. On the right hand, I can believe Centcom, who knows that if they get caught in a lie they are up the proverbial creek.

hmmmmmm, left or right? left or right? Gee, I just can’t seem to make up my mind. /sarcasm

CookeyD on November 29, 2006 at 11:08 AM

This vent seems a little premature as the AP has stood by it’s story, refuted the military’s allegations, and fervently claimed these people do exsist and are in the Iraqi military. — JaHerer22

…which, what? Puts the ball back in Centcom’s court?

The AP carried the accusations as true. In our tradition of jurisprudence, the burden of proof is with the accuser. The AP’s been called. Let ‘em quote chapter and verse, name names. “We stand by our story” means less than nothing. It’s like a soldier of the Gambino family taking the Fifth.

I’ll also overlook your boilerplate snideness about the efficiency of our military. Would you like to go over there and fight insurgents terrorists?

Puritan1648 on November 29, 2006 at 11:15 AM

sometimes the facts are just too good to check.

jdpaz on November 29, 2006 at 12:03 PM

Wade, the standard Cronkite set in ’68 was to go into an area after the excitement’s over, pose in front of something photogenic, claim to be an eye witness to history, and mislead the American public about what’s really happening. If he hadn’t lied to the public about Tet Ho Chi Minh city would still be Saigon. …. Yeah, in once since I guess he did set the standard.

bdfaith on November 29, 2006 at 12:22 PM

One sense. Proofread, then submit, Bill.

bdfaith on November 29, 2006 at 12:23 PM

That is the problem in a free society. Yes we need to have freedom of the press. but there is no challenges to the press when it goes off and does things that arent in the publics best interest.

The public has to be the one to stand up to the press when it is falling short of delivering the truth.

Why we need Hotair and LGF and other blogs. There has to be a counterbalance else the MSM comes dangerously close to be a propaganda machine and not a free press.

William Amos on November 29, 2006 at 1:07 PM

Uh, yeah. Iraq is just all full of peace and love and sunshine. If only the damn news media would stop lying about how horrible everything is over there, than maybe more Americans could see for themselves just what a wonderland of goodness that country is.

Look, I’m sorry Michelle, but this is probably one of the rare Vent videos that I can’t say I agree with you on. Who really cares who the source is as long as the news comes out? I mean, when we have a tornado here in the Midwest, The TV news crews don’t just interview the county sheriff or the local FEMA director. Car bombings, beheadings and other random acts of terror are just go with the territory in the Arab world. You can’t whitewash everything that doesn’t tell the story you want it to. That’s how Enron did themselves in.

John on November 29, 2006 at 1:33 PM

Time to hold the AP’s feet to the fire.

http://www.ap.org/pages/about/whatsnew/wn_112905.html

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS STATEMENT OF NEWS VALUES
AND PRINCIPLES

For more than a century and a half, men and women of The Associated Press have had the privilege of bringing truth to the world. They have gone to great lengths, overcome great obstacles – and, too often, made great and horrific sacrifices – to ensure that the news was reported quickly, accurately and honestly. Our efforts have been rewarded with trust: More people in more places get their news from the AP than from any other source.

In the 21st century, that news is transmitted in more ways than ever before – in print, on the air and on the Web, with words, images, graphics, sounds and video. But always and in all media, we insist on the highest standards of integrity and ethical behavior when we gather and deliver the news.

That means we abhor inaccuracies, carelessness, bias or distortions. It means we will not knowingly introduce false information into material intended for publication or broadcast; nor will we alter photo or image content. Quotations must be accurate, and precise.

It means we always strive to identify all the sources of our information, shielding them with anonymity only when they insist upon it and when they provide vital information – not opinion or speculation; when there is no other way to obtain that information; and when we know the source is knowledgeable and reliable.

It means we don’t plagiarize.

It means we avoid behavior or activities that create a conflict of interest and compromise our ability to report the news fairly and accurately, uninfluenced by any person or action.

It means we don’t misidentify or misrepresent ourselves to get a story. When we seek an interview, we identify ourselves as AP journalists.

It means we don’t pay newsmakers for interviews, to take their photographs or to film or record them.

It means we must be fair. Whenever we portray someone in a negative light, we must make a real effort to obtain a response from that person. When mistakes are made, they must be corrected – fully, quickly and ungrudgingly.

And ultimately, it means it is the responsibility of every one of us to ensure that these standards are upheld. Any time a question is raised about any aspect of our work, it should be taken seriously.

“I have no thought of saying The Associated Press is perfect. The frailties of human nature attach to it,” wrote Melville Stone, the great general manager of the AP. But he went on to say that “the thing it is striving for is a truthful, unbiased report of the world’s happenings … ethical in the highest degree.”

He wrote those words in 1914. They are true today.

William Amos on November 29, 2006 at 1:35 PM

Uh, yeah. Iraq is just all full of peace and love and sunshine. If only the damn news media would stop lying about how horrible everything is over there, than maybe more Americans could see for themselves just what a wonderland of goodness that country is.

Look, I’m sorry Michelle, but this is probably one of the rare Vent videos that I can’t say I agree with you on. Who really cares who the source is as long as the news comes out? I mean, when we have a tornado here in the Midwest, The TV news crews don’t just interview the county sheriff or the local FEMA director. Car bombings, beheadings and other random acts of terror are just go with the territory in the Arab world. You can’t whitewash everything that doesn’t tell the story you want it to. That’s how Enron did themselves in.

John on November 29, 2006 at 1:33 PM

There is a big difference between letting the news report the news or letting the news print enemy propaganda. Which clearly that is what AP is doing in this case.

yes Iraq is violent but that doesnt mean that the AP or anyone else SHOULD fake news to make it appear more violent to aid the cause of terrorists over there

William Amos on November 29, 2006 at 1:38 PM

sometimes the facts are just too good to check.

jdpaz on November 29, 2006 at 12:03 PM

that’s it in a nutshell.

pullingmyhairout on November 29, 2006 at 1:50 PM

William Amos,

I see it like this. The Iraq war is over in less than two years no matter what. There’s a presidential election coming up in 2008 (you may have heard about it) and no one from either side is going to get elected on the “stay the course” platform. I refer you to the last congressional election as evidence of this. No matter what the president may believe or what some bloggers may want to believe, this thing aint gonna last forever.

Bush has two years left in office, and after that, it’s over. He go’s back to Texas to clear brush and BBQ with the Saudi Royal Family, or whatever his plans may be. And the larger Republican Party gets saddled with the consequences of his actions. If he chooses to stay in Iraq for the remainder of his presidency, than the chances of the GOP winning a single major election for the next six years are bleak at best. That means higher taxes, hillarycare, abortion on demand, gay marriage and every other left wing policy the Dems can shove down our throats. And of course, our ability to keep up the fight in the real war on terror will be tremendously weakened.

If Bush has canned Rummy’s @$$ before the election, the Republicans would still be in power. Now, he’s making the same mistake with Iraq. Bush is leading the GOP right off a cliff and nobody seems to care.

Everybody who wants to see a return to the Clinton years (minus the Republican congress), keep on cheer leading for Iraq. If you think Hillary or Barack Obama is going to stay in Iraq, guess again. We Republicans need to get on the right side of this issue NOW before we lose our entire social/economic/gwot agenda for a decade.

John on November 29, 2006 at 2:02 PM

Where are you getting this “The war ends once we get out of Iraq ?”

We are astill in Afaganistan. We have a partnership and trety with Arab Countries in the region like Kuwait and Saudi Arabia.

Once Iraq falls the war doesnt end already Kuwait and Saudi Arabia have taken steps to protect themselves for when the terrorists come calling. We might be able to write of Iraq but not those two countries.

Truth be know we are going to have to fight for Iraq at some time either now or later.

William Amos on November 29, 2006 at 2:09 PM

“AP calls military ludicrous”: like an idiot I click the link thinking I will find that AP did in fact call the military ludicrous. Silly Honora.

honora on November 29, 2006 at 2:12 PM

“AP calls military ludicrous”: like an idiot I click the link thinking I will find that AP did in fact call the military ludicrous. Silly Honora.

honora on November 29, 2006 at 2:12 PM

Try clicking and reading further down. Or take a reading comprehension class

http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2006/11/us_military_and.html

Key quote

Daniszewski’s statement today:

The Associated Press denounces unfounded attacks on its story about six Sunni worshipers burned to death outside their mosque on Friday, November 24. The attempt to question the existence of the known police officer who spoke to the AP is frankly ludicrous and hints at a certain level of desperation to dispute or suppress the facts of the incident in question.

William Amos on November 29, 2006 at 2:21 PM

That is the problem in a free society. Yes we need to have freedom of the press. but there is no challenges to the press when it goes off and does things that arent in the publics best interest.

William Amos on November 29, 2006 at 1:07 PM

So what you’re saying, William, is that we need to have freedom of “an honest and professional” press.

Not a self-serving, partisan, lieing, biased press like we have now.

If this is what you mean, then I am in complete agreement with you.

Lawrence on November 29, 2006 at 2:35 PM

Daniszewski’s statement today:

The Associated Press denounces unfounded attacks on its story about six Sunni worshipers burned to death outside their mosque on Friday, November 24. The attempt to question the existence of the known police officer who spoke to the AP is frankly ludicrous and hints at a certain level of desperation to dispute or suppress the facts of the incident in question.

William Amos on November 29, 2006 at 2:21 PM

Is English not your first language? Clearly AP says the “attempt to question the existence of the known police officer” is ludicrous, an entirely different thing than saying that the “military” is ludicrous. If you don’t see this is selective editing, well again, welcome to America.

honora on November 29, 2006 at 2:35 PM

So what you’re saying, William, is that we need to have freedom of “an honest and professional” press.

Not a self-serving, partisan, lieing, biased press like we have now.

If this is what you mean, then I am in complete agreement with you.

Lawrence on November 29, 2006 at 2:35 PM

That is exactly what I am saying thanks

William Amos on November 29, 2006 at 2:43 PM

Is English not your first language? Clearly AP says the “attempt to question the existence of the known police officer” is ludicrous, an entirely different thing than saying that the “military” is ludicrous. If you don’t see this is selective editing, well again, welcome to America.

honora on November 29, 2006 at 2:35 PM

Wow talk about reading what you want into a comment ! So your now trying to say that Allah was trying to say that the AP News called the US military “Ludicrous” ?

Again I suggest you take a reading comprehension class.

William Amos on November 29, 2006 at 2:45 PM

Wow talk about reading what you want into a comment ! So your now trying to say that Allah was trying to say that the AP News called the US military “Ludicrous” ?

Again I suggest you take a reading comprehension class.

William Amos on November 29, 2006 at 2:45 PM

Check out the headings under “VENT”. Pay extra close attention to the one that says “AP Calls Military “Ludicrous’”. So yeah I am saying that

“Allah was trying to say that the AP News called the US military “Ludicrous””

Do you what is really ludicrous? This conversation. Honestly.

honora on November 29, 2006 at 2:50 PM

“This vent seems a little premature as the AP has stood by it’s story, refuted the military’s allegations, and fervently claimed these people do exsist and are in the Iraqi military. — JaHerer22″

Is the AP unaware that the enemy is using them for their propoganda war? Or are they in on it?

Donkeyhue on November 29, 2006 at 3:03 PM

You know, one wonders how long this has been going on. Seriously – Has AP and other news organizations been making up shit for years? Decades?

Yes, CrazyFool, that is what they have been doing.

This vent seems a little premature as the AP has stood by it’s story, refuted the military’s allegations, and fervently claimed these people do exsist and are in the Iraqi military. I’m not picking sides or saying Centcom is wrong and the AP is right–I just think it’s too early to say Centcom is right and the AP is wrong. Clearly the miltary has a history of denying involvement in things that later evidence shows it did indeed particpate in. Let’s just wait until the smoke clears until we draw conclusions.

Also, the fact that the Iraqi military can’t confirm who this guy shouldn’t suprise anyone. The miltary can’t keep insurgants out it’s ranks, can’t stop the violence, and really doesn’t appear very functional. I’m sure their personnel records aren’t exactly in alphabetical order.

JaHerer22 on November 29, 2006 at 10:50 AM

This is poor reasoning, and generally lame. Trying to be clever while reciting the Deom-dhimmi talking points is….lame. Your boys and girls got caught with their pants down again, so just fess up and take your lumps

( this ends the mid-1900s cliches, but if the shoe fits… )

notice how when one troll pops up, another usually trolls along after it. None of them can see the forrest for the trees….

Janos Hunyadi on November 29, 2006 at 4:58 PM

Centcom: Iraqis will announce tomorrow that AP source is fake

Do you what is really ludicrous? This conversation. Honestly.

Hey Honora, with a hat tip to Dean Wormer, “fat, drunk, and srupid is no way to go through life.”

there it is on November 29, 2006 at 5:28 PM

Hey Honora, with a hat tip to Dean Wormer, “fat, drunk, and srupid is no way to go through life.”

Ditto, there it is, and thanks for the Dean Wormer reference
( He is not remembered often enough, and his contributions to our culture do not get the renown they deserve )

Janos Hunyadi on November 29, 2006 at 5:46 PM

Slightly off topic, but more evidence of media bias, and not only failing to tell the truth, but actually taking back the truth they don’t like: Pelosi said within the last couple of days that Bush was wrong and that she is “sad” that Bush said we are fighting al-q in Iraq…I wanted to confirm what she said, it sounded to me like she said al-q was not in Iraq, well CNN reported on it, it was up on drudge, religion of peace, etc. Well, CNN has taken the piece down. When you link to it now, just an empty page.

See for yourself…CNN, truly the crescent news network.

http://www.cnn.com/POLITICS/blogs/politicalticker/2006/11/pelosi-sad-over-bushs-iraq_28.html

JustTruth101 on November 29, 2006 at 9:11 PM

To those who think that AP should be given the benefit of the doubt, or that they are engaged in legitimate reporting, I invite you to view past vents on MSM distortions.

This is not the first time the MSM, or AP, standard of integrity in news “reporting” has been questioned and found far short of ethical standards. This incident is just another in a long line of deceptions – and those are only the ones we know about.

I say again, in my opinion, the MSM is deliberately misrepresenting facts in their “reporting” to support their biased political agenda. Those who have commented in this thread to give the MSM the benefit of the doubt or support their reporting I say to you that your opinion, and vote, is being manipulated to the advantage of the Left. Wake Up! View past vents! Pay attention to how stupid the MSM takes you for!

Michelle and Hot Air are an invaluable resource not only because of their quality content, excellent presentation, and clear rationale, but also because of the frequency of their reporting and commentary. There are other good sites but for those who want daily news, to stay abreast of changing events in a fast paced world, Hot Air is the place!

omegaram on November 29, 2006 at 10:08 PM

Lost in the numbing details of its own reportage, the MSM actively ignores the global threat to Civilization from a revived pan-national imperialism. One intent on a nuclear confrontation with the infidel world. And with a leadership militocracy as delusional as the “cherry blossom” kamakazis once were.

The Government, -from Congress, through the Courts, and to the Executive- has wrestled itslf into a knot, where the steering of this War has apparently mechanically devolved to an obsolete autopilot.

The journalistic and political class have got to read the source materials in this War. The Koran. Hadiths. Histories of the Crusades (from both sides). And understand Lepanto. Charles Martel. The Gates of Vienna. The Mahdi.

And the difference between Sura 9:5 and Jesus’ words: “Blessed are the peacemakers…”

Or The Buddha’s: “Wake up; be compassionate.”

Or Lao Tzu’s: “The emptiness of the vessel is as vital as its walls.”

The scope of the derelection of duty – as far as “knowing the enemy” goes- is staggering.

They’ve got being smarmy down pat, but couldn’t tell you Bukhari from a bandicoot.

Embarassments to their craft and their culture.

And endangering the survival of both.

profitsbeard on November 29, 2006 at 11:34 PM