Why is it we never hear this stuff when a white guy or an asian guy is shot?

EnochCain on November 30, 2006 at 12:34 AM

Because whites and asians (and hispanics for that matter) don’t have a Jackson or Sharpton frothing at the mouth in front of the cameras.

Also because the race industry in this country wouldn’t let a white character get away with it. Which is completely separate from the point that white people themselves wouldn’t let him get away with it either.

Personally, I don’t need some guy to “lead” my race and represent “my people” to others. I honestly believe the Jacksons and Sharptons in this world betray a kernel of their own belief that black people are so weak individually that they must band together against other races to compete.

This paragraph was 30 paragraphs into the “doesn’t think it was racially motivated”, article.

That’s very different than the “allegedly drove his car towards them” in the other article.

I’ll wait until the investigation is complete, thanks. The morons on television are helping no one but themselves.

Nice try, though,

It looks like we may be fighting on a second front.

rplat on November 29, 2006 at 1:13 PM

Copy that. And the third front is TWELVE MILLION illegals, with more on the way, each and every day.

That sounds to the untrained ear like a *LOT* of lead. As has been pointed out by what seem to be quite rational and experienced voices on this thread already, 50 rounds is not the least bit excessive in today’s world, where high-capacity magazines is the norm. The modern 15-17+ double-stacked 9mm combat pistol, mated with some of the more exotic and esoteric projectiles on the market, make the average police piece a real defensive powerhouse, unlike the old .38 special wheel-gun of old.

The problem is that these guys don’t carry them because they’re “sexy”, they’ve seen Bruce Willis wave one around, or that whole substitute-penis thing. In New York, even post-Guliani, they’re needed. There’re obviously folks out there eager to inflate their “street cred” by organizing protests every time an NYPD officer passes gas in the wrong neighborhood.

They report the 50 rounds the cops fire. They don’t report the rounds fired by the army of “yuppies”…Young Urban Predators.

Nobody’s reporting on procedure. How were these guys trained? Why did one guy fire 31 rounds? What was the pretext? The center-pieces at this party were not unknown to the authorities. What had this detail been doing prior to encountering these guys? Would that have contributed to this happening?

We’re treated to the normal “protest on command”, with guys like this oxygen-thief Barron, who can have people with placards and angry slogans in front of cameras at the drop of a hat. This serves the press inasmuch as: a) It’s designed to be easily telegenic, b) It’s usually organized specifically for the benefit of the press and ease of reporting, c) It advances the agenda many reporters in New York want to advance.

…besides, reporters, as we know, are lazy. You cock your beak back and let ‘em peck a pre-digested story out of your craw, and they’re on you like hatchlings.

We are *ALSO* to assume, by our educational and popular-culture conditioning, that the guys in the car were right, and that the cops were wrong…cops of whatever shape and color, after all, being killjoys who get inbetween you and what you want. I remember when Guliani was cleaning things up, to the extent that he did, that lots of folks were upset that he was taking on street crime…apparently Barron is one of that sort. I remember one guy in a report that I saw thought Guliani’s efforts got in the way of his smoking dope on the street. Poor baby.

Finally, where is *ANYONE* to turn a harsh light on this Barron guy? We have Sharpton from New York, we have Rangel from New York, we have this Barron guy, with a long history of…er…intemperate racial comments and actions under his belt. Can’t black New York find a leader who isn’t an outright thug?

50 shots is nothing. They’re selling a line of bull.

It’s like the 19 guys supposedly “murdered” by the police in the Over-The-Rhine section of Cincinnati over a couple of year period, which sparked that riot a while back. I read a write-up on each of the guys killed, and I remember that 15 out of the 19 were *UNDOUBTEDLY* working their way toward “suicide by cop”.

If black America, or at least black New York, has such a problem with law enforcement, let Barron’s buddies in the New Black Panther Party get the gig keeping the peace there. Post signs all ’round those neighborhoods warning them that the NYPD doesn’t work there, and pull out.

We aren’t doing anything but selling the “thug culture” in popular “music”, movies and TV. A gun means juice. One of the guys was flashing a piece. OK.

You need to remember to stop when the nice officer says “stop”. My own Daddy told me early on: don’t mess with the po-lice.

2. Wonder how long it will take for the race hucksters to get involved? (Answer: as soon as they send the hooker home and have breakfast.)

3. Barron. Oh, perfect…

4. Hey, Pablo and honora both said what I am thinking!

I also can’t stand the holier than thou cops who think that they can just shoot and beat anyone at anytime anywhere.

Arm the people and get rid of the cops.

Stop defending these uniformed criminals!

Charles Barron is a former Black Panther, and a Democratic New York City Councilmember

What district/borough does he represent? Queens? Brooklyn?

For what it is worth, those who may be thinking that these 50 rounds were fired into the car to stop the car, that they went from the radiator to the windshield, with all due respect, you are wrong.

All of these bullets were fired at the driver and or passengers.

You can’t stop a car quickly with a bullet. You stop the car by shooting the driver.

You can’t stop a car engine fast with a 9mm slug. You can penetrate the radiator, but so what? That won’t stop the car for another 5, 10, or 15 minutes.

If someone is aiming a car at you, and using it as a deadly weapon, you don’t aim at the car engine or tires.

You aim and shoot at the driver.

I would say no he didn’t or he would not have driven the car AFTER the officer identified himself.

Given that they didn’t seem to be involved in any sort of criminal behavior, I think that if he knew it was a cop and that he wasn’t in danger that he would have just stopped. It looks to me like he was trying to get the f*&k out of dodge, which can be kind of tough to do when you’re bleeding all over the place.

I’m guessing the dead guy thought the same.

I would say no he didn’t or he would not have driven the car AFTER the officer identified himself. If he thought he was in danger of being killed he would have most likely complied with the officer’s demands to prevent from being shot.

1. These guys really thought they were in danger

I’m guessing the dead guy thought the same.

I’m guessing that the LE used 9mm or maybe 40 S&W which can do a lot of damage to flesh but are not made for stopping cars. It would take a well placed shot to knock out an electrical module on the car to stop it dead in its tracks where as multiple rounds will eventually disable the motor/trans.

I agree. If I was a betting man I would say he probably walked the rounds from the radiator to the windshield.

I say before we make any judgement we should see and hear the complete story from all sides other than what Al, Jessie and Mr. Baron are spewing.

I agree but I am assuming two things:
1. These guys really thought they were in danger
2. The vehicle was moving toward that officer who fired so much.

I can’t see any other reason to fire so many shots.

I mean even if it was a racially motivated crime, you wouldn’t use 30 shots if your aim was just to kill the guy. Only horror movie monsters seems capable of surviving shots in the double digits.