NYC Councilman threatens NYPD: “We’re not the only ones who can bleed”

posted at 1:05 pm on November 29, 2006 by Allahpundit

I think he means the NYPD. He might mean white people generally, whom he’s previously expressed a desire to slap “just for my mental health.”

There’s no consequences for killing a black person. I am fed-up. I’m not asking my people to do anything passive anymore. We’re going to sit here and we’re going to go in there, and we’re going to pray, we’re going to march, we’re going to do all of that stuff and then we’re going to sit down, and if they don’t respond to none of that, don’t ask us to ask our people to be peaceful while they are being murdered. We’re not the only ones that can bleed.

He’s reacting here to the cops having fired 50 times on three unarmed men inside a car in Queens last week. Two of the victims were black; one of them died. Of the five cops who fired, two are black, two are white, and one is Hispanic, although one of the white cops accounted for 31 of the 50 shots. The father of the man who was killed says he doesn’t think it was racially motivated, but Reverends Jackson and Sharpton are already on the scene.

As for Barron, he’s a former Black Panther who doesn’t salute the flag, believes non-citizens should vote, and once played host to Zimbabwean Marxist dictator Robert Mugabe when he visited the city. Lucky for him he’s got … absolute moral authority.

Oh, and he said this the other day about Mayor Mike Bloomberg:

“It’s still Giuliani time. The mayor will say he’s sorry. He’ll show up to funerals. But he doesn’t change policy. Don’t ask me to be peaceful when they are the ones being murderers.”

Bloomberg’s reaction?

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It looks like we may be fighting on a second front.

rplat on November 29, 2006 at 1:13 PM

Barron is a racial arsonist and thug of the worst kind. He actually makes Sharpton almost look statesmanlike, difficult as that is to fathom.

Bloomberg pandering to the mob so quickly, before an investigation can be complete, is pathetic.

I wonder, when Mr. Hymietown shows up, is he going to have his new pet Kramer on a leash or in his travel box?

JammieWearingFool on November 29, 2006 at 1:14 PM

although one of the white cops accounted for 31 of the 50 shots

Sweet mother of Buddha! What type of firearms are issued to the NYPD? Uzis?

Slublog on November 29, 2006 at 1:16 PM

Sweet mother of Buddha! What type of firearms are issued to the NYPD? Uzis?

I’ve gotta tell ya, that’s a hell of a lot of rounds to fire without having been fired upon at all.

That said, there’s absolutely no need to be pandering to the race pimps over this.

Pablo on November 29, 2006 at 1:31 PM

I’ve gotta tell ya, that’s a hell of a lot of rounds to fire without having been fired upon at all.

That said, there’s absolutely no need to be pandering to the race pimps over this.

Pablo on November 29, 2006 at 1:31 PM

Barron is an idiot, a real media whore. That said, what the hell happened here? Dear God.

honora on November 29, 2006 at 1:34 PM

Sweet mother of Buddha! What type of firearms are issued to the NYPD? Uzis?

Two 15 round magazines utilized with one magazine change. Not that difficult.

Trooper on November 29, 2006 at 1:35 PM

Lucky for him he’s got … absolute moral authority.

Mmmmmmmmm, so smoooth!

Stories like this have the same problem: local news reports provide plenty of incident details and continue to do so for weeks and months as more information becomes available. But national media only gets the initial report of police killing an unarmed black man. Once Jackson & Sharpton show up for the shakedown the national media can’t afford to provide us with details because there’s no time to fit them between all the soundbites.

Fox23 and NY1 aren’t exactly the AP or Nightline.

Only somewhat off topic, can any non-West-Coasters tell me if they’ve heard of the Tennie Pierce dog food fiasco? What’s your impression and what have you heard on the national wire stories? Obviously this would have been different if Pierce had been killed or injured.

JoeEgo on November 29, 2006 at 1:37 PM

Where were the shots fired? As I understand, the victims were using a car as a lethal weapon. Don’t the police kill the car first to get it to stop? We haven’t seen the investigation, but I am betting most of the shots fired were to get the car to stop moving.

CrimsonFisted on November 29, 2006 at 1:38 PM

What appears to have happened here is that one of the party was seen by an undercover cop in the club showing fis gun in his waist-band to a chick at the bar, at closing time an altercation arose between the groom’s group and another group, a few of the groom’s group stated that they were going to the car to get another gun.The LE followed them and then the people in the car tried repeatedly to ram the cops,the cop who fired all of the shots had a jam and re-clipped, it would seem that they believed that the thugs ( and yes,these men all had rap sheets) were a threat to them.

bbz123 on November 29, 2006 at 1:39 PM

I am betting most of the shots fired were to get the car to stop moving.

That’s my gut feeling too.

Trooper on November 29, 2006 at 1:41 PM

Two 15 round magazines utilized with one magazine change. Not that difficult.

Ah. Still seems like a lot of lead to put in the air, though.

Slublog on November 29, 2006 at 1:43 PM

This council member has the ability to influence police procedures and calm his constituents. He chooses an adversarial position with the police (or “the man”) and incites the populace.

infidel on November 29, 2006 at 1:51 PM

Only police who have worked undercover at 4 am should have the moral authority to judge them, right?

Is it fair that those who haven’t served issue condemnation?

JammieWearingFool on November 29, 2006 at 1:51 PM

Ah. Still seems like a lot of lead to put in the air, though.

I agree but I am assuming two things:
1. These guys really thought they were in danger
2. The vehicle was moving toward that officer who fired so much.

when your that scared (as I think he was) he was going to fire as many rounds as possible to stop the vehicle. It is a training reflex not a thought out action. Shoot until the threat is neutralized. I admit that I don’t have details so I’m not speaking from anything but conjecture but I do know human nature in dangerous situations.

Trooper on November 29, 2006 at 1:52 PM

Ah. Still seems like a lot of lead to put in the air, though.

Slublog on November 29, 2006 at 1:43 PM

I agree, unless as others have speculated, they were going straight into the car.

Though, everything I’ve heard and read seems to indicate that they went into the man. Or maybe they just left that out. I’m not sure.

Esthier on November 29, 2006 at 1:53 PM

one of the party was seen by an undercover cop in the club showing fis gun in his waist-band to a chick at the bar, at closing time an altercation arose between the groom’s group and another group, a few of the groom’s group stated that they were going to the car to get another gun

If this is true what happened to these two guns? I thought the man in the car was unarmed. If this guy was driving his car at the cops then it seems they would have a right to shoot at him. 50 shots seems a little absurd though. And if this guy was getting married in 5 hours and had no gun why would he engage 5 cops with their guns pulled? This just doesn’t add up…

JaHerer22 on November 29, 2006 at 1:54 PM

Whenever I see Barron on Hannity & Colmes or any talk show, I change the channel because he is such loon. This is the guy who wants to take down pictures of all the white guys , you know the slave owners like Washington and Jefferson and replace them with pictures of Malcolm X.

vcferlita on November 29, 2006 at 1:55 PM

I agree but I am assuming two things:
1. These guys really thought they were in danger
2. The vehicle was moving toward that officer who fired so much.

I can’t see any other reason to fire so many shots.

I mean even if it was a racially motivated crime, you wouldn’t use 30 shots if your aim was just to kill the guy. Only horror movie monsters seems capable of surviving shots in the double digits.

Esthier on November 29, 2006 at 1:55 PM

I’m guessing that the LE used 9mm or maybe 40 S&W which can do a lot of damage to flesh but are not made for stopping cars. It would take a well placed shot to knock out an electrical module on the car to stop it dead in its tracks where as multiple rounds will eventually disable the motor/trans.

I say before we make any judgement we should see and hear the complete story from all sides other than what Al, Jessie and Mr. Baron are spewing.

bubbadog89 on November 29, 2006 at 1:57 PM

I’m guessing that the LE used 9mm or maybe 40 S&W which can do a lot of damage to flesh but are not made for stopping cars. It would take a well placed shot to knock out an electrical module on the car to stop it dead in its tracks where as multiple rounds will eventually disable the motor/trans.

I agree. If I was a betting man I would say he probably walked the rounds from the radiator to the windshield.

Trooper on November 29, 2006 at 2:02 PM

The poverty-pimps and race-baiters run to the rescue again..and again threaten a major city with burning or bleeding. The facts? Irrelevant when you have an agenda to push and a bank account to inflate. What exactly would Al and Jesse do without incidents like this? I suspect pray for incidents like this. Notice how these two leaders(used with extreme loose-ness) ignore the education-gap between blacks and whites. A solution to the problem? Perhaps a little school-choice where black parents could send their kids to a school high on learning and not high on drugs, violence and low expectations. Blacks overwhelmingly support choice, Al and Jesse? Nope, in the pockets of the NEA. How about the opportunity gap? The solution, perhaps a level playing field where people are judged on merit, not race. Al and Jesse? Nope, beholden to the liberal mind-set that prejudice must be overcome with prejudice and that blacks can only thrive through “special” considerations, not their own merit. How about out-of-wedlock births in the black community(a problem with all races, let it be stated), soaring for years and currently in the 70 to 80 percent range? A possible solution may be the teaching of responbile sexual behavior and the condemnation of sexist-violent cultures like the rap-industry. Al and Jesse? Nope, beholden to these industries for bank-rolling their cape-crusader act they take from media-driven story to media-driven story. How about black on black crime daily administered by the left…ex. Clarence Thomas(high-tech lynching by the left during confirmation), Condi Rice pilloried daily in her run up to confirmation as Sec-State(don’t forget editorial cartoon after cartoon depicting her as “aunt Jemima”), and Michael Steele(Schumer had Steele’s credit record stolen, and Hoyer calls him slavish to the GOP). This is called black on black crime because the dems have placed themselves as the party of tolerance and inclusion…and because dems of color refuse to condemn these rascist acts. The worst act of self-hatred according to the poverty-pimps is to access the opportunity of America without using them and their race-first tactics. In other words, don’t you dare leave the “liberal plantation” or you will be destroyed. In the mean-time another generation of black youth is being ignored by Al and Jesse so that they may continue to confront the problems of the 60′s while maintaining their life-style of the 21st century…………

ritethinker on November 29, 2006 at 2:04 PM

Prager (I think it was him this morning) called this part of the Race Industry. I hadn’t heard that term before, but I whole heartedly agree with it.

p0s3r on November 29, 2006 at 2:13 PM

1. These guys really thought they were in danger

I’m guessing the dead guy thought the same.

Pablo on November 29, 2006 at 2:24 PM

What people need to keep in mind is that there was a fourth person out partying with the three victims. According to a NY Post article from the other day, shell casings were found inside the car but investigators do not believe they are from a police gun. There was early speculation that the fourth person in the party fled the scene in the aftermath of the shooting. Unfortunately, all of this has been lost in the race-baiting.

mhexel on November 29, 2006 at 2:27 PM

I’m guessing the dead guy thought the same.

I would say no he didn’t or he would not have driven the car AFTER the officer identified himself. If he thought he was in danger of being killed he would have most likely complied with the officer’s demands to prevent from being shot.

Trooper on November 29, 2006 at 2:31 PM

No one, and I mean no one (with the possible exception of a hospital) is up to any good at 3 or 4 am.

UNCDoc on November 29, 2006 at 2:50 PM

I would say no he didn’t or he would not have driven the car AFTER the officer identified himself.

Given that they didn’t seem to be involved in any sort of criminal behavior, I think that if he knew it was a cop and that he wasn’t in danger that he would have just stopped. It looks to me like he was trying to get the f*&k out of dodge, which can be kind of tough to do when you’re bleeding all over the place.

Pablo on November 29, 2006 at 3:25 PM

Charles Barron is a former Black Panther, and a Democratic New York City Councilmember

What district/borough does he represent? Queens? Brooklyn?

For what it is worth, those who may be thinking that these 50 rounds were fired into the car to stop the car, that they went from the radiator to the windshield, with all due respect, you are wrong.

All of these bullets were fired at the driver and or passengers.

You can’t stop a car quickly with a bullet. You stop the car by shooting the driver.

You can’t stop a car engine fast with a 9mm slug. You can penetrate the radiator, but so what? That won’t stop the car for another 5, 10, or 15 minutes.

If someone is aiming a car at you, and using it as a deadly weapon, you don’t aim at the car engine or tires.

You aim and shoot at the driver.

EFG on November 29, 2006 at 3:36 PM

I can’t stand that guy.

I also can’t stand the holier than thou cops who think that they can just shoot and beat anyone at anytime anywhere.

Arm the people and get rid of the cops.

Stop defending these uniformed criminals!

Gooch on November 29, 2006 at 4:06 PM

1. 31 rounds? Empty a clip, pop in another, and nearly empty that? What the heck.

2. Wonder how long it will take for the race hucksters to get involved? (Answer: as soon as they send the hooker home and have breakfast.)

3. Barron. Oh, perfect…

4. Hey, Pablo and honora both said what I am thinking!

Jaibones on November 29, 2006 at 4:28 PM

What’s generally being reported is that 50 rounds were fired and a black guy’s dead. Take a walk in the media’s “mind” here.

That sounds to the untrained ear like a *LOT* of lead. As has been pointed out by what seem to be quite rational and experienced voices on this thread already, 50 rounds is not the least bit excessive in today’s world, where high-capacity magazines is the norm. The modern 15-17+ double-stacked 9mm combat pistol, mated with some of the more exotic and esoteric projectiles on the market, make the average police piece a real defensive powerhouse, unlike the old .38 special wheel-gun of old.

The problem is that these guys don’t carry them because they’re “sexy”, they’ve seen Bruce Willis wave one around, or that whole substitute-penis thing. In New York, even post-Guliani, they’re needed. There’re obviously folks out there eager to inflate their “street cred” by organizing protests every time an NYPD officer passes gas in the wrong neighborhood.

They report the 50 rounds the cops fire. They don’t report the rounds fired by the army of “yuppies”…Young Urban Predators.

Nobody’s reporting on procedure. How were these guys trained? Why did one guy fire 31 rounds? What was the pretext? The center-pieces at this party were not unknown to the authorities. What had this detail been doing prior to encountering these guys? Would that have contributed to this happening?

We’re treated to the normal “protest on command”, with guys like this oxygen-thief Barron, who can have people with placards and angry slogans in front of cameras at the drop of a hat. This serves the press inasmuch as: a) It’s designed to be easily telegenic, b) It’s usually organized specifically for the benefit of the press and ease of reporting, c) It advances the agenda many reporters in New York want to advance.

…besides, reporters, as we know, are lazy. You cock your beak back and let ‘em peck a pre-digested story out of your craw, and they’re on you like hatchlings.

We are *ALSO* to assume, by our educational and popular-culture conditioning, that the guys in the car were right, and that the cops were wrong…cops of whatever shape and color, after all, being killjoys who get inbetween you and what you want. I remember when Guliani was cleaning things up, to the extent that he did, that lots of folks were upset that he was taking on street crime…apparently Barron is one of that sort. I remember one guy in a report that I saw thought Guliani’s efforts got in the way of his smoking dope on the street. Poor baby.

Finally, where is *ANYONE* to turn a harsh light on this Barron guy? We have Sharpton from New York, we have Rangel from New York, we have this Barron guy, with a long history of…er…intemperate racial comments and actions under his belt. Can’t black New York find a leader who isn’t an outright thug?

50 shots is nothing. They’re selling a line of bull.

It’s like the 19 guys supposedly “murdered” by the police in the Over-The-Rhine section of Cincinnati over a couple of year period, which sparked that riot a while back. I read a write-up on each of the guys killed, and I remember that 15 out of the 19 were *UNDOUBTEDLY* working their way toward “suicide by cop”.

If black America, or at least black New York, has such a problem with law enforcement, let Barron’s buddies in the New Black Panther Party get the gig keeping the peace there. Post signs all ’round those neighborhoods warning them that the NYPD doesn’t work there, and pull out.

We aren’t doing anything but selling the “thug culture” in popular “music”, movies and TV. A gun means juice. One of the guys was flashing a piece. OK.

You need to remember to stop when the nice officer says “stop”. My own Daddy told me early on: don’t mess with the po-lice.

Puritan1648 on November 29, 2006 at 5:02 PM

…if Barron, city council or no, utters one thing more which could be construed as inciting murder or violence, the city attorney needs to step up, Malkins cinched down, and charge this racist. There need to be consequences for this sort of speech.

Puritan1648 on November 29, 2006 at 5:03 PM

It looks like we may be fighting on a second front.

rplat on November 29, 2006 at 1:13 PM

Copy that. And the third front is TWELVE MILLION illegals, with more on the way, each and every day.

Janos Hunyadi on November 29, 2006 at 5:24 PM

Puritan, you appear to be operating under the illusion that facts matter–but to the Players in ths ugly drama, they don’t.

Nice try, though,

Janos Hunyadi on November 29, 2006 at 5:28 PM

Sources say the video shows people entering and exiting the nightclub Bell was leaving when police riddled his car with bullets, killing Bell and seriously wounding two others. The police involved reportedly say they fired in self-defense after Bell’s car hit one officer and rammed their undercover vehicle.

This paragraph was 30 paragraphs into the “doesn’t think it was racially motivated”, article.

That’s very different than the “allegedly drove his car towards them” in the other article.

I’ll wait until the investigation is complete, thanks. The morons on television are helping no one but themselves.

Tink on November 29, 2006 at 6:46 PM

A tenth of a second to make a life or death decision and these cheeseheads are going to Quarterback them for months. Hardly fair.

seejanemom on November 29, 2006 at 10:17 PM

Why is it we never hear this stuff when a white guy or an asian guy is shot?

EnochCain on November 30, 2006 at 12:34 AM

Why is it we never hear this stuff when a white guy or an asian guy is shot?

EnochCain on November 30, 2006 at 12:34 AM

Because whites and asians (and hispanics for that matter) don’t have a Jackson or Sharpton frothing at the mouth in front of the cameras.

Also because the race industry in this country wouldn’t let a white character get away with it. Which is completely separate from the point that white people themselves wouldn’t let him get away with it either.

Personally, I don’t need some guy to “lead” my race and represent “my people” to others. I honestly believe the Jacksons and Sharptons in this world betray a kernel of their own belief that black people are so weak individually that they must band together against other races to compete.

JoeEgo on November 30, 2006 at 12:35 PM