Malaysian PM: Muslim-Christian “rift” threatens the world

posted at 1:15 pm on November 29, 2006 by Bryan

Moderate Islam as represented in Malaysian government says Christians are the problem in the world today:

Ties between Muslims and Christians are under “extreme stress” and the growing divide between the faiths is threatening international stability, Malaysia’s Prime Minister Abdullah Ahmad Badawi said.

Abdullah, the current chair of the 57-nation Organization of the Islamic Conference, called on the
United Nations to hold a special conference to address the schism.

The rift is “one of the gravest threats to international stability in the history of the world,” he said in a speech at a United Nations function here late Monday.

Detailing the geopolitical reasons behind the rift, Abdullah touched on anger in Muslim countries over flashpoints plaguing the Middle East.

“The Muslim world sees the suppression of Palestine, the invasion of Afghanistan, the conquest of Iraq and the destruction of Lebanon as a complicity to humiliate Muslim countries,” he said.

Wait a minute–no mention of why we invaded Afghanistan? Or Iraq? The fact that even Arab states “suppress” the Palestinians? And who instigated the “destruction” of Lebanon?

I’m sorry, but it’s not possible to have a rational dialogue with anyone who takes such a one-sided view of the war starting with Afghanistan and working out from there. And this guy leads a major Muslim country; he’s not some Sadrist or al Qaedist ranter. He’s not an obscure imam in Karachi. He’s a Prime Minister, and supposedly one of the moderates.

Let’s let him continue:

But the prime minister, who is an Islamic scholar by training, also outlined ideological differences between the two religions and criticized Christian states in the west for dismissing Islamic practice.

“Muslims see the refusal of the Christian west to acknowledge Islam as a way of life for all Muslims as intolerance and arrogance,” he said.

That street should run both ways: Christians have at best a dhimmi status in most majority Muslim countries. Their way of life is seldom acknowledged by Muslim governments, and is usually repressed. In Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and several other Muslim countries, you can be executed for converting from Islam to Christianity. In Pakistan, Muslims bomb churches full of innocent Christians. The same happens in Sudan and nearly everywhere Muslims and Christians live in close proximity in the developing world. So perhaps the PM should look at his own side of the conflict before blaming others.

But back on our side of the world, at least one Christian agrees with Malaysia’s “moderate” PM: Christians should start dismantling their beliefs to accomodate Muslims.

“We need to forsake the Christendom model,” [Lipscomb University theology professor Lee] Camp said. “The most basic Christian commitment … is that we say we believe in the Lordship of Jesus. But, if we claim that, how can a Muslim or Jew trust us, if we say Jesus is the Lord of all Lords?”

Camp is unspeakably ill-informed and naive. He’ll welcome his new Islamist overlords with open arms.


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They’ll have to cut off my head before I convert.

MikeyB on November 29, 2006 at 1:20 PM

What the Malaysian prime minister doesnt get is that he just asked us to say “A Muslim way of life is the only way to live” in effect asking anyone who ISNT Muslim to affirm its alright to ONLY be Muslim.

No where in anything that he stated did he say it was alright NOT to be a Muslim

William Amos on November 29, 2006 at 1:20 PM

All of those bombs going off in Malaysia, Indonesia and Thailand must be the fault of Christians as well.

mesablue on November 29, 2006 at 1:24 PM

This comes from the basic tenets of their philsophy that anyone who does not submit is a problem to be eradicated.Ergo, Christians are the problem for wanting to live free of Islam.Islam is not a problem to them,it is their duty to take over the world and make everyone either a convert,a slave or dead.Like what was mentioned in an earlier posting,the only difference between moderates and radicals is the pacing of that program,they all desire a word’wide caliphate and anything that stands in their way is a trouble maker who must be put downmin their eyes.

bbz123 on November 29, 2006 at 1:30 PM

That’s like saying the Rapist-Rape Victim rift threatens the world.

ReubenJCogburn on November 29, 2006 at 1:32 PM

I will not submit.

vcferlita on November 29, 2006 at 1:34 PM

They’ll have to cut off my head before I convert.

MikeyB on November 29, 2006 at 1:20 PM

Well okay but that’s gonna make the whole thing a lot less meaningful…

honora on November 29, 2006 at 1:35 PM

Remember a few things whenever dealing with muslims:

1. Islam teaches it is morally acceptable to lie to infidels to further the cause of Islam.
2. The Christian crusades began as a defense to Muslim aggression.
3. Muslims plan to take over the world and will do whatever it takes to realize that plan. If it weren’t for Christians, they would have done it a long time ago. That’s one of the main reason why they hate us, and why they want to kill us. Every. Single. One of us.

JustTruth101 on November 29, 2006 at 1:35 PM

They’ll have to cut off my head before I convert.

MikeyB on November 29, 2006 at 1:20 PM

`
Um…

THeDRiFTeR on November 29, 2006 at 1:43 PM

…Lordship of Jesus. But, if we claim that, how can a Muslim or Jew trust us, if we say Jesus is the Lord of all Lords?”

First off, Jews have nothing to do with his theory, we believe in the same God.
But this Lee Camp fool, he would prefer that muslims be able to trust us? And this is more imortant than our believing in Jesus Christ our Lord? All the while muslims can hate and kill us while declaring their god is ‘all’ even tho mohammed (pissbeuponhim) and his follwers preach hate and death?

Wacko.

shooter on November 29, 2006 at 1:48 PM

It’s amazing to me that the most intolerant people in the world demand that those that practice tolerance, be more tolerant of them. And to make matters worse, they want the UN to step in and make sure it happens.

Rick on November 29, 2006 at 1:53 PM

I really wish Muslims understood how crazy they appear in the West. I’m really not trying to to be mean here, but that’s the bottom line. Look at the targets of their hate. Authors, Dutch filmmakers, Danish Cartoonists, the Pope. Seriously the POPE? The Pope is like the nicest guy in the world. He’s the frigging Pope. But he quotes some 13th century Byzantine king about Islam (who btw was at war with the Ottomans at the time) and now he’s Satan.

BohicaTwentyTwo on November 29, 2006 at 1:55 PM

“The Muslim world sees the suppression of Palestine, the invasion of Afghanistan, the conquest of Iraq and the destruction of Lebanon as a complicity to humiliate Muslim countries,” he said.

Yes, so why do we need more of them entering the U.S. and Europe? Virginia has the classless Webb as governor right now because 92% of the Muslim voters in Virginia agreed with the statement above and voted against Allen.

januarius on November 29, 2006 at 1:57 PM

Anyone who teaches that the Muslim god Allah and the Lord God Jehovah are one and the same is talking out of ignorance. Study the traits and characteristics of the two and it is pretty clear they are not the same. Just because I call a tomato an apple because they can both be red doesn’t make it so. Furthermore, if Jesus in not Lord of Lords then the whole Christian faith is a waste of time and effort and you would be better off fishing on Sunday morning. He’s going to have some explaining to do someday when he is on his knees before that same Lord of Lords. Too bad his excuses and “open-mindeness” will take him straight to hell.

Centurion68 on November 29, 2006 at 1:58 PM

Oops- Senator. (I proofread twice and that still slipped by.)

januarius on November 29, 2006 at 1:58 PM

They’ll have to cut off my head before I convert.

MikeyB on November 29, 2006 at 1:20 PM

I’ll cut off that idiot Camp’s head before I convert.

Centurion68 (dude…), good point. The Allah of Islam is nothing like Jehovah.

urbancenturion on November 29, 2006 at 2:11 PM

Muslim – Christina Rift, indeed.

It would help a bunch if Muslim Terrorists would stop trying to kill everyone.

Lawrence on November 29, 2006 at 2:26 PM

Ok, so Christians are the problem with the situation in Palestine? I must have been misinformed, but its all the Christian’s fault.

Well, the Christians and the Jews of course. Muslims have a lot of problems with Jews it seems. Actually, the Muslims don’t seem much fond of the laws in Secular Europe either. And aren’t they having issues with Hindus? Something about destroying statues a few years back? Oh, and the problems in Ladakh between Muslims and Buddhists escalating into violence… that might be relevant.

So the real problem seems to be the divide between the Muslims, and the Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Atheists, (and likely numerous groups I’ve missed).

And as far as the Christians, Jews, etc… If they’d just quit resisting there wouldn’t be conflict; so obviously it’s their fault.

gekkobear on November 29, 2006 at 2:35 PM

And of course the terror symp press buys this hook line and sinker.

Iblis on November 29, 2006 at 3:05 PM

To these types, being Muslim means never having to say you’re responsible…or sorry.

CP on November 29, 2006 at 3:20 PM

I finally understand why Mugatu brainwashed Derek Zoolander to kill this guy.

ReubenJCogburn on November 29, 2006 at 3:22 PM

As I recall, there’s quite a rift between Muslims and Buddhists, Hindus, Zoroastrians (what’s left of them), Jews, atheists, and agnostics (like myself) as well. I don’t see why Badawi should limit himself by not commenting on the “intolerance and arrogance” of those theological perspectives, also, though maybe he’s just pacing himself.

The House of War is what one might call a “big tent” party.

Blacklake on November 29, 2006 at 3:39 PM

The PM watches too much BBC.

On a lighter note, at least he’s moved on from blaming the Jews for everything wrong with the world. That’s a step up from your average “moderate.”

Mark V. on November 29, 2006 at 3:55 PM

Muslims are at war with every other faith and non-faith on the planet. Time to combine forces, let’s just get it over with already. Islam vs the world.

Tony737 on November 29, 2006 at 5:04 PM

“The most basic Christian commitment … is that we say we believe in the Lordship of Jesus. But, if we claim that, how can a Muslim or Jew trust us, if we say Jesus is the Lord of all Lords?”

Answer: Jesus doesn’t ask us to kill non-Christians or treat them in any way different than other Christians. In fact, He encourages loving thine enemies. Muslims may rightly distrust westerners who claim to be Christian yet act otherwise, but there is no reason to distrust a Christian for holding Christ as Lord of all Lords unless taught that Christians behave poorly because of Christ’s teachings, not in spite of them.

I’ve noticed a lot of references by Muslims to America and Europe as Christian societies. There seems to be difficulty in separating the religious leanings of a state from the policies and culture of that state. They do not understand that in the West Christ’s life is held up as an unobtainable ideal against which all Christians fall short. They don’t seem to stop to consider the bloodbath resulting from putting everyone who falls short of that ideal to the sword. They don’t understand that such a time of retribution is at the Hand of God at The Last Judgement, not for our criminal justice system. Perhaps if they understood that, they could trust us more and fear us less, Mr. Camp.

shuzilla on November 29, 2006 at 5:12 PM

Ok, so Christians are the problem with the situation in Palestine? I must have been misinformed, but its all the Christian’s fault.

The Palestine Christians have few problems living in Israel.
They have not set off any bombs, or any other rampage, they are peaceful and are accepted in Israel. You never see this reported.

Here is a note to the Muslim’s—Stop killing and threatening to kill every infidel you don’t like, and you will be accepted.

right2bright on November 29, 2006 at 5:17 PM

Muslims are at war with every other faith and non-faith on the planet. Time to combine forces, let’s just get it over with already. Islam vs the world. — Tony737

…that’s right.

The muslims have caught the “contagion of the West”, victimhood as a weapon.

Somebody’s supposedly “suppressing”, oppressing or full-court-pressing the Palestinians…who moved to refugee camps to get out of the way of the “victorious” forces of Jordan and Egypt in 1948…which never came. They continue to act like rabid dogs, and they’re pissed that they’re being held to account.

It boils down to the fact that they’re finding this whole jihadist Islamic imperialism thing *HARD WORK*, we aren’t just rolling over, and it bums ‘em out. It’s not as easy as it says in their poxy little book. They actually have to work at it.

These people are *CHILDISH*. They want what they want, and they want it NOW!

I’m for frustrating the Slaves of the God of Death, personally. This frustrated, misogynistic murder cult has to be turned back at the door, as you would swat mangy curs from your dooryard.

I read recently that one study put the “radical” element of worldwide Islam at only about 15% of the total, the balance being progressively less “fundamentalist”. Maybe there *ARE* actually some of those “moderate” muslims we here tell of out there somewhere, and maybe they’re the majority. Still, 15% of 1.5 *BILLION* is a *LOT* of wackos.

The rest are medievally-minded folks locked into a faith without mercy; scripted by a book they aren’t allowed to discuss in any meaningful way; locked in from Indonesia to Morocco, Detroit to Amsterdam to a culture which is linguistically and intellectually imperialist, unapologetically centered around a few dusty villages in Arabia; in which the penalty for practically *ANY* misstep is death. Islam isn’t a religion, it is, again unapologetically, and all-encompassing social system which oppresses women, sexually thwarts men (apparently) and subjugates those all around it.

Islam doesn’t play well with others.

So, I’m not the least sympathetic about the “sufferings”, largely self-inflicted, of the Palestinians, south Asians, Pakistanis, Afgans, or muslim Lebanese. Given no resistance, the oppression they would deal out would be one for the books.

Puritan1648 on November 29, 2006 at 5:21 PM

People need to wake up to the fact that Islam is a totalitarian philosophy that cannot tolerate any competition, religious or secular, whatsoever.
The funny thing is that for all their bitching about christianists the first people on the islamic chopping block are the same libs who say we need to tolerate Islam.

Iblis on November 29, 2006 at 5:55 PM

I say to our muslim brothers, bring it on, I will not submit. So help me God.

Zorro on November 29, 2006 at 7:54 PM

Iblis, yeah, but try explaining that to a lib…

Just imagine if lefty libs were in charge of Europe during the muslim conquest.

I can see them now, in a nice castle, no guards, no bowmen, sittin’ around drinkin’ and eatin’. A muslim army approaches. They offer the castle’s inhabitants a chance to convert, submit or die. The lib king says “But we’re just minding our own business, not bothering anyone, why do you wish us harm? Look, we’re sooo tolerant, we accept you, come on in and join us for dinner, let’s talk this thing out. Surely you rather be our friends!”

To which the muslim commander says “Yes, wait here, I’ll go get my army and invite them in.”

He walks back down the hill. “Put your shields away men, you won’t be needing them today. These guys are *pussies* … ATTAAAAAAAAAAAACK!!!!!”

Tony737 on November 29, 2006 at 7:56 PM

History lesson: Allah is the moon god of Arabia. Just one of many gods worshiped by the Arabs centuries before Mohammad. It was Mohammad who took Allah out of polytheism and made him a monotheistic deity. He killed everybody who took the other view so *boom* you get Islam.

Mojave Mark on November 30, 2006 at 10:11 AM

“The Muslim world sees the suppression of Palestine, the invasion of Afghanistan, the conquest of Iraq and the destruction of Lebanon as a complicity to humiliate Muslim countries,” he said.

Right. More Christan & Jew bashing.

Will someone please explain to me just what the hell “moderate Islam” is? Aren’t they still follow the teachings of a pedophile, terrorist, extorsionist and murderer?!?

Please anyone…

Timber Wolf on November 30, 2006 at 1:29 PM