Job one for the Pope in Turkey: Not getting shot

posted at 4:01 pm on November 28, 2006 by Allahpundit

You laugh, but that precise scenario’s already played out in fictional form. Remember?

Aside from the fact that nearly the entire Turkish government had planned to snub the Pope until Erdogan had a last-minute change of heart, and the fact that while the Pope used his meeting with the country’s head cleric to emphasize fraternity while his counterpart seized the opportunity to whine about “Islamophobia,” things have gone swimmingly thus far. The Vatican Radio website has posted the text of Benedict’s speeches this morning. At whom might this passage have been aimed?

Turkey has always served as a bridge between East and West, between Asia and Europe, and as a crossroads of cultures and religions. During the last century, she acquired the means to become a great modern State, notably by the choice of a secular regime, with a clear distinction between civil society and religion, each of which was to be autonomous in its proper domain while respecting the sphere of the other. The fact that the majority of the population of this country is Muslim is a significant element in the life of society, which the State cannot fail to take into account, yet the Turkish Constitution recognizes every citizen’s right to freedom of worship and freedom of conscience. The civil authorities of every democratic country are duty bound to guarantee the effective freedom of all believers and to permit them to organize freely the life of their religious communities. Naturally it is my hope that believers, whichever religious community they belong to, will continue to benefit from these rights, since I am certain that religious liberty is a fundamental expression of human liberty and that the active presence of religions in society is a source of progress and enrichment for all. This assumes, of course, that religions do not seek to exercise direct political power, as that is not their province, and it also assumes that they utterly refuse to sanction recourse to violence as a legitimate expression of religion.

What a state the world is in when we need the Pope to argue for the separation of church and state.

And how very un-Christianist of him.

He made those comments in an address to the Turkish diplomatic corps, by the way, not at the meeting with the cleric. Maybe he’ll be a little bolder on Thursday:

A closely watched moment of the trip will come Thursday during Benedict’s visit to Haghia Sophia, a 1,500-year-old site that was originally a Byzantine church and then turned into a mosque after the Muslim conquest of Istanbul — then known as Constantinople — in 1453. It is now a museum, and Turks would take offense at any religious gestures by the pontiff, who also plans to visit the nearby Blue Mosque.

In 1967, Pope Paul VI fell to his knees in prayer, touching off protests by Turks claiming he violated the secular nature of the domed complex. In 1979, Pope John Paul II made no overt religious signs during his visit.

I doubt he’ll do anything dramatic, but then, this is a guy who likes to surprise people.


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That link from the Jester site is verrrry interesting. I suppose the powers that be could be playing dumb and saying we think they acted alone so other conspirators aren’t put on notice.

mikeyboss on April 23, 2013 at 11:29 AM

were motivated by religion

Are they sure it wasn’t a Ben Affleck movie?

RadClown on April 23, 2013 at 11:36 AM

The one guy — a boxer, no advanced education. The other guy, a pothead college student, no technical education.

The difficult part is (a) detonator and (b) radio control of detonation. Would appear difficult, yes? Apparently not. The info is readily available on the interwebs. Like here. If you can use Google, then read and look at pictures, yes you can create a remote detonator out of toy parts.

Welcome to the 21st century.

SunSword on April 23, 2013 at 11:42 AM

SunSword on April 23, 2013 at 11:42 AM

Yep. And even that example is overly complicated.

stvnscott on April 23, 2013 at 12:00 PM

Here’s the real problem believing these two did this alone.

Where?

Tamerlan had his wife and mother living with him. So the wife has to be an accomplice. I wouldn’t doubt the mother is.

Jahar had several roommates. Some of these winners are being arrested and released, rinse repeat.

Neither had a job that provided the workspace.

So to believe no one else was involved, means they bought the supplies just a few days before and built it that morning, during the race. With no training or testing.

Along with the other IED’s.

And several guns.

And hundreds of rounds.

Just got it all over the weekend.

The Feds are lying that no one else was involved. Whatever statement Jahar gave them fit their needs.

Hell, he could have said yes to a question that asked “was anyone else involved with the Marathon bombing”?

That’s totally different than “Are you working with any groups”?

budfox on April 23, 2013 at 12:08 PM

Looks like Tamerlin may have murdered a few friends on September 11th 2011…

Click Me

Smoothies on April 23, 2013 at 12:13 PM

Two U.S. officials: Preliminary evidence suggests bombers motivated by religion

All I can say is “no shiite sherlock”.

dentarthurdent on April 23, 2013 at 12:33 PM

The difficult part is (a) detonator and (b) radio control of detonation. Would appear difficult, yes? Apparently not. The info is readily available on the interwebs. Like here. If you can use Google, then read and look at pictures, yes you can create a remote detonator out of toy parts.

Welcome to the 21st century.

SunSword on April 23, 2013 at 11:42 AM

Yup, so obviously the laws that make it illegal to make a bomb, and the laws that make it illegal to kill and maim lots of people are just not effective – so all we need is some more laws to make those things more illegal and we can solve the problem.

dentarthurdent on April 23, 2013 at 12:37 PM

I’m sure a guy who’s blown people up, shot a cop in cold blood and tried to kill some more in a getaway, would never tell a lie.

IndieDogg on April 23, 2013 at 12:39 PM

Exactly how would the RUSSIANS have pegged one of the two “lone wolves” operating in America as a terrorist if this is true. Are they doing a better job of monitoring American internet traffic than our own intelligence agencies. Either that or our govt is lying to us – again. We are screwed either way.

LarryinLA on April 23, 2013 at 1:18 PM

Mocking another person from a position of ignorance is never a wise move. Your screen name is ironic considering how myopic you insist on being with regard to this particular issue.

stvnscott on April 23, 2013 at 11:18 AM

It was a joke.

farsighted on April 23, 2013 at 1:46 PM

Acted alone?? Really??

Where did the MONEY come from?? For the clothes, the cars, the apartments, the GYM and boxing. I guess they just came in from the internet as well.

Michael73501 on April 23, 2013 at 2:13 PM

I hear the term ‘self radicalized’ all over the news. They can’t understand how the bombers don’t have a direct connection to terrorists, but can do this.

It is imperative to understand it is not ‘radical’ Islam.

It is Islam – the antithesis of western civilization.

TfromV on April 23, 2013 at 8:18 PM

Acted alone?? Really??

Where did the MONEY come from?? For the clothes, the cars, the apartments, the GYM and boxing. I guess they just came in from the internet as well.

Michael73501 on April 23, 2013 at 2:13 PM

They’ll conveniently come out with information that attacks the internet, and freedom but they won’t tell us who funded these guys. Probably because it was the Sauds or the FBI.

fatlibertarianinokc on April 23, 2013 at 8:46 PM

It’s still too early to say what his motivations were, but I have a hunch he’s a tea partier.

/msm

jhffmn on April 25, 2013 at 12:59 PM

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