While I was on vacation, I was disturbed to hear that people were claiming that one of my favorite Congressmen,……

Much has been written about the North American Union, most of this great investigative work by Jerome Corsi of Human Events. Despite the fact that solid conservative outlets such as World Net Daily and Human Events have reported on this, the right-…..

For the blogs on the right, including apparently this one, who wish to pillory Tancredo for raising an alarm, I have a few questions:

1) What, exactly did Tancredo say that you can objectively refute with facts, not ad hominems?

2) What would be your reasons, if there are any, that Americans should not be demanding an opening of the books and a forensic accounting of what the SPP is up to and has agreed to behind the scenes?

It certainly appears that there is something going on that smacks of there already being “binding agreements” in place that might be subversive and extra-constitutional.

Do you suppose the wingnuts are thankful for anything? Ace of Spades – we’re thankful Robert Altman is dead.Althouse – I’m thankful for rechargeable batteries.American Thinker – we’re thankful that people in Baghdad get 4 to 8 hours of electricity…

My 1/2 Costa Rican son….

Hmm. I’d feel a lot better about things he were defined as an AMERICAN who happens to be of partial Costa Rican descent.

Yes, that’s all wonderful; I’ve no doubt the Mexican government would love to merge with the U.S. and have us assume their liabilities. Now all you need to do is show me how George Bush plans to accomplish that in his remaining not-quite-1,000 days in office. And no, I’m sorry, but weak border enforcement and “comprehensive immigration reform” is not tantamount to dissolving the United States as a political entity.

Who says he has to do during his term of office?? Maybe that’s why the left is winning… because they think long term, generations, and, like the terminator, they never, ever give up. I don’t recall ANYBODY saying that Bush was single-handedly planning on, or going to create a N American union. No, he’ll just wedge in here, and adjust that there.

There’s an old Arab saying, “if you let the camel stick his nose under the tent, pretty soon you’re sleeping with a camel.” Another says “You can’t get a man to eat a whole can of peas at once, but you can get him to eat a whole can of peas… one pea at a time”. This is how our social landscape has been changed since the cultural revolution. Each step is merely hinted at and suggested in the media, and laughed at by the public. One starts out say, “of course no one wants women in combat or unisex bathrooms”… then a decade later you showcase a female captured during a supply convoy. You promote shows like “Alley McBeal” with its unisex bathroom. Pretty soon, everyone’s used to thinking the way you want them to.

So I don’t expect Bush to do it in his term. But I fully expect those who wish a N American union to have their wish within 20 years.

My 1/2 Costa Rican son, fighting in the cavalry, and his full Costa Rican mother, working hard and voting regularly, will disagree with you. So here is to you….and to them, America isn’t going anywhere America hasn’t already been. Seems like a pretty good country to me. To you? Who knows?

I would respond to this but since there seems to be a 50-50 chance of posts appearing, no matter how innocuous, why waste the time?

EF on November 22, 2006 at 12:52 PM

My comments have never failed to post. But then I don’t, as a rule, use profanity

Come on folks. I know the border is not secure and the “amnesty” plan is more on the table now that Republicans no longer control the House, but we are not about to merge with Canada and Mexico in one giant “super-state”. Think about the logistical problems in government, in constitutional authorities: they vary widely from the U.S. to Canada, to Mexico. There are so many complications to work out. This would be, literally, a decades-long progression as to easily be uncovered before now.

thedecider on November 24, 2006 at 12:43 AM

And what makes you think that people have not been working out those “logistical problems”.

You cannot, after all, build, for example – a continent spanning super highway without having worked out many “logistical problems” – can you?

But that’s just wacky conspiracy thought – isn’t it? No one would ever actually build one, would they?

Just like they won’t be doing the other things that you won’t see and won’t care about.

What a nation of lemmings. 4 inch red newspaper headline has everyone peeing in their pj’s.

Horsepotatos. Big steamy pile of horsepotatos blocking traffic. Public panic. Film at 11.

Limerick on November 24, 2006 at 9:11 AM

You’re partially right – our nation, collectively, is a bunch of lemmings!!!

Except no-one will show any clips, there will be no public panic shown, and no film at 11.

Because – people like you and the masses you seem to represent and mock, will not even notice what is happening – and more importantly, will not care about losing your national identity.

No one cares less about a highway – there are already many linking our lands.

It is what is behind the facade – no conspiracies, just facts.

Check it out for yourself instead of merely scoffing. Then, after educating yourself, if you still disagree, we can agree to disagree.

Either way, like Laura said, we’ll know for sure in a few years.

Horsepotatos. Big steamy pile of horsepotatos blocking traffic. Public panic. Film at 11.

I’m http://www.seejanemom.com

Allah—please leave this thred up—in addition to all that sweet potato pie—this ia A LOT to digest.

As for the NAU, what makes you think the end result would have much in common with our current system?

For the folks who want a smoking gun; why, yes, we’d love to have that too. And if we could possibly have caught OJ in the courtyard with a knife, while his victims were still alive to testify against him, that would have been just peachy.

Our whole point is that this is being enacted in a stealthy way, to prevent the kind of public outcry that stopped the EU constitution from being passed in France. But it’s easy enough to list things that already chip away at our sovereignty, and will have a cumulative effect. These NAFTA tribunals are one example. Even the NY Times and John Kerry figured out this is a bad idea. After the fact, of course.

“There are grave implications here,” Chief Justice Ronald M. George of the California Supreme Court said in an interview. “It’s rather shocking that the highest courts of the state and federal governments could have their judgments circumvented by these tribunals.”

Think about the logistical problems in government, in constitutional authorities: they vary widely from the U.S. to Canada, to Mexico. There are so many complications to work out.

Since when have “logistical problems” ever stopped this government from attempting to undertake anything? Show me an insurmountable problem and I’ll show you a group of bureaucrats who think they’ll solve it in a second. We all know how that works.

However, I do not understand what it is about the Earth or about the original plan of the American federal government that makes it simply wrongheaded to favor extending that government over the entire Earth in the course of time.

Kralizec on November 24, 2006 at 12:05 AM

In theory, this is a great argument. In reality, government of the people, by the people, for the people is not understood by too many societies in the world today. A Parliamentary government (in Britain, for example) is contrary to our form of goverment, and – as you suggest – would take many, many years of convincing to implement on a global scale. What you suggest is a monumental task that is unlikely to succeed in the global environment today.

Update: Hot Air commenters (most of them) agree: Tancredo’s a prophet whose only crime is seeing too clearly the nefarious machinations towards one-world government that are happening under our very noses!

“Hot Air commenters”: I need to be helped to understand why a worldwide government would be bad. Clearly, it’s easy to imagine many forms of worldwide government that would be very bad. However, it appears that if the Americans’ own federal government were first largely brought back to its original form, it would afterward, in the long run, become capable of providing federal government to the entire Earth. Many general and particular problems would have to be solved along the way; doing so might require a couple of centuries. However, I do not understand what it is about the Earth or about the original plan of the American federal government that makes it simply wrongheaded to favor extending that government over the entire Earth in the course of time.

I’m as concerned as anyone is about the putative “North American Union” stuff, but someone is going to have to show me evidence, in the form of enabling legislation and whatnot first.

In the absence of that, it’s Moonbat City, and he just took up residence there.

Bummer. I thought he had potential.

October 24, 2005
San Antonio Business Journal
More than 10 years after the signing of NAFTA in San Antonio, U.S. and Mexico officials have inked a new pact on Monday designed to increase the flow of international trade between Mexico and KellyUSA in San Antonio.
Officials with Mexico’s Secretary of Communications and Transportation office and with the U.S. Department of Transportation joined more than 30 Mexican businesses and KellyUSA representatives to commemorate the creation of the new trade route.

And now for the money part:

The Federal Highway Bill, called SAFETEA-LU was approved by the Senate and Congress on July 29, 2005. The total package for transportation improvements amounted to $286.5 billion.

Thats more than a QUARTER OF A TRILLION DOLLARS !!!!!!!!

I’m moving to the high mountains.

2,000+ ACRES of Texas ranchland that YOU AND I will provide SUPERB border security for —FOR HIS LIFETIME.

Mr. Tancredo is NOT sounding all that nuts.

DON’T BOTHER to pile on me about the propriety of Presidential security…OF COURSE HE NEEDS IT, and will get it—-BUT folks, PLEASE—-see things from his PERSONAL VIEWPOINT.

BUSH HAS “HIS”—-do you have “yours”???

I’m just sayin’ y’all……….THINK about THAT.

In a sort of way America’s borders have always been open. It was immigrants who created this vibrant way of life here. So the argument that immigrants threaten the US is in itself anti American.

William Amos

Do you consider illegal aliens to be “immigrants”?

One big difference between immigration now and immigration in the past is that the US is in the process of a demographic change which will profoundly change the country.

The US Census Bureau has already projected that caucasians will no longer be a majority by 2050 and recent policy decisions and threatened decisions will push that date forward a considerable span.

If Mexico was about to lose its Hispanic majority to say Chinese flooding to that nation in boats, it wouldn’t be anti-Mexican for those Hispanics to feel threatened by immigration.