Newsflash: your grandmother was a friggin’ racist and so are you.

Soothsayer on November 22, 2006 at 4:17 PM

Wrong on both counts. But I’ll give you a C+ for effort, ass.

Also: Mark Fuhrman is in no way a “revered figure” on this site. If some of our commenters revere him for whatever bizarre or nefarious reason, that’s their issue. Don’t confuse their opinions with that of site management.

Allahpundit on November 22, 2006 at 4:53 PM

You are absolutely right AP and I in NO way was trying to imply that the site MANAGEMENT shared such views. I love and respect Michelle and would never think her capable of such. I was referring to the posters and should have made that plain. So I apologize for “conflating” even though it was unintentional.

I don’t know that he didn’t mean it, just like you don’t know that he did. How can you be so sure he wasn’t just frustrated at lashing out at two jerks who happened to be black with the biggest stick he could think of at the time. We have no idea what went down before hand.

Ummm. I DO KNOW that he meant it asshole because he SAID it and what’s more, he couldn’t HELP HIMSELF FROM SAYING IT, or stop himself once he started. You’re the only “prick” having a problem figuring out if people mean what the hell they say.

How does one judge what a man feels inside? Since none of us can read minds why don’t you judge this like you judge every other damned situation in your life? We assess what people mean by two things, what they say to us and what they do to us. Period. When your boss tells you to shape up or you’ll be fired, do you think to your stupid self, “he doesn’t really mean it?”. When your wife tells you that shriveled up thing you call a penis isn’t cutting it so she’s screwing the mailman, do you say, “What a kidder, I love this woman”? Funny how your racist ass wasn’t riding to Mel Gibson’s rescue, I guess he meant it, huh? Funny how ONLY when a black person has a case of a white person being an ass, do you want to delve into his fifteenth level of consciousness because, “you don’t know if he meant it”. Well, numbnuts, I DO know that he meant it because he said it and he said it with VIGOR. And he didn’t just say the word, he gave a graphic example of the treatment of blacks that he (and maybe you?) long for i.e, fork in ass.

Whoever is paying you gobs of money to write is a friggin’ idiot, then, because all you are convincing me is you are a race-baiting prick. Screaming racist at anyone who disagrees with you is not fighting like a man where I am from, that is the tactic most feminists use, in fact.

Funny how you don’t wonder if the “hate America first” crowd really “mean it” when they call our troops “babykillers”. Funny how you don’t wonder if John Kerry, “really meant it” when he called our troops uneducated morons. Funny how you don’t delve into the deeper meanings of any radical statements EXCEPT the one’s you AGREE WITH. Gotcha asswipe. I just wanted to see which racist sack of shit would object to Richards being called a racists sack and it was YOU. YOU WIN the racist asshole doorprize. ANYONE who hears the tirade that Michael unleashed and concludes that he is NOT a racist, is a fool. The only people I can think of who would be willing to give a turd like that the benefit of the doubt are OTHER RACISTS! Who’ve probably said and done things FAR WORSE! You know those white guys who pretend they’re against affirmative action for ‘policy” reasons but they really just hate blacks and wish nostalgically for things to be like they were when, how’d he put it? Oh, yeah, like when they used to “STRING US UPSIDE DOWN AND STICK FORKS IN OUR ASSES”! Yeah, that’s it, I remember now. How come when Ahmadinejad (sic) of Iran, says he wants to wipe out all Jews, you don’t come to his defense and be his punk assed psychiatrist? How come you don’t wonder, if HE meant it?
For your information dimwit, Michael Richards says it was HATE in his heart that made him express the things he did, he simply is naive about where that hate comes from. He doesn’t need a racial apologist piece of shit like you to go to bat for him.

Whoever is paying you gobs of money to write is a friggin’ idiot, then, because all you are convincing me is you are a race-baiting prick. Screaming racist at anyone who disagrees with you is not fighting like a man where I am from, that is the tactic most feminists use, in fact.

B Moe on November 22, 2006 at 6:09 PM

You’ve been paying me, dickless, everytime you go see a movie I either wrote or “script doctored”.

I would agree that someone who JUST called someone the N-word, once or twice, doesn’t necessarily have to be a racist, although you’d be swimming upstream to find altruism in his thoughts. BUT someone who calls you a nigger and then reminds you that they used to LYNCH YOU (string up with fork in ass), for “uppity” behavior, has lost the benefit of any doubt from most reasonable people. You still havent’ answered the aforementioned question, a favorite dodge of the stupid. The question remains, WHAT THE HELL WOULD HE HAVE TO DO FOR YOU TO CONSIDER HIM A FUCKING RACIST? ATTACK SOMEBODY? OWN SOMEONE?

Under your criteria there is nothing short of genocide that could get one to be considered a racist. Since we now have guns, Richards is unlikely to “own” any of us, since most racists are cowards who hide behind superior numbers and psuedonyms, Richards is unlikely to ” physically attack” anyone, so riddle me this batman, if a racist tirade which hearkens back to lynching, isn’t racist, what in your feeble brain, would be? If you want to see a racist apologist, look in the mirror, if you want to see a racist, look inwards and ask yourself this….What kind of person WOULD SEEK TO MITIGATE, the most hateful and hurtful diatribe that ANYONE has heard in recent memory? Only you baby, only you.

WHAT THE HELL WOULD HE HAVE TO DO FOR YOU TO CONSIDER HIM A FUCKING RACIST? ATTACK SOMEBODY? OWN SOMEONE? Where’s your bar, bro, cause it’s pretty damnded high! Racist high, if you ask me. I love how you racists claim to be able to read minds too. How the hell do you know that Richards “didn’t mean it” ? You’re nothing but a sh*tbag racist yourself.

I don’t know that he didn’t mean it, just like you don’t know that he did. How can you be so sure he wasn’t just frustrated at lashing out at two jerks who happened to be black with the biggest stick he could think of at the time. We have no idea what went down before hand.

I sir, am NOT A RACE BAITER. I fight like a man. I know that some of the things I say are shocking, I get paid goo-gobs of money to write and manipulate emotions, my friend so “ain’t nothing I’m saying by accident”.

Whoever is paying you gobs of money to write is a friggin’ idiot, then, because all you are convincing me is you are a race-baiting prick. Screaming racist at anyone who disagrees with you is not fighting like a man where I am from, that is the tactic most feminists use, in fact.

A lot of shakey whites like to bitch about people who “scream” racism while remaining ignorant of the fact that most of those “screams” have been right.

I’m not accusing “people” of screaming racism, I’m accusing you specifically based on what you’ve said in this thread. E.g.,

I’ve long thought that whites have never really dealt with the root of their perversions. Yes, I said perversions, what else would you call a race of people that has tried to subjugate and humiliate EVERY SINGLE OTHER RACE IT HAS EVER COME IN CONTACT WITH? I think there’s a sickness in the white race that many have been able to overcome, thank God, but many still have to make that trip into self examination. How else can you explain a site where Mark Furhman is a revered figure?

Also: Mark Fuhrman is in no way a “revered figure” on this site. If some of our commenters revere him for whatever bizarre or nefarious reason, that’s their issue. Don’t confuse their opinions with that of site management.

but I know you’re going to scream “racism!” if/when I do finally end up banning you.

Perhaps you have some negative preconceptions of either blacks or myself that you should deal with privately. A lot of shakey whites like to bitch about people who “scream” racism while remaining ignorant of the fact that most of those “screams” have been right. I mean, people my color have been “screaming’ racism for about FOUR HUNDRED YEARS. Was it “crying wolf” when we were slaves? No. But most whites still didn’t mind, right? How about during reconstruction? Were we just “making it up” then? Nope. But most whites still didn’t mind the racism and stil considered those who objected to be “uppity” and full of crap, right? How about good ole Jimmy Crow, were we just humming the wrong tune then? Nope. But most whites still were just fine, weren’t they? Actually the race pimp movement of people like Jesse and Al is relatively new on the landscape, if you consider that Martin Luther King might have actuallly had a point, that is. If you at least allow that, then you would have to conclude that WHITES have been “Poo-Pooing” and dismissing racism, for HUNDREDS OF YEARS while there was actually racism going on, right? Which IMHO would make them the least likely people to actually recognize it now, huh?

I sir, am NOT A RACE BAITER. I fight like a man. I know that some of the things I say are shocking, I get paid goo-gobs of money to write and manipulate emotions, my friend so “ain’t nothing I’m saying by accident”. If you want to ban me, certainly don’t fear that I would cry “racism”, i know what racism is and this would not constitute it in my mind.

So you can play a video where Kenny Kramer re-uses the word Nigger but the word F*ggot (notice I didn’t reprint it) is too much for you?

It’s not the word, it’s the intent behind it that’s key. Kenny Kramer didn’t use it hatefully; Michael Richards did.

don’t thing this is neccesarily convincing evidence the dude is a racist. I think his apology should suffice for now.

B Moe on November 22, 2006 at 4:28 PM

WHAT THE HELL WOULD HE HAVE TO DO FOR YOU TO CONSIDER HIM A FUCKING RACIST? ATTACK SOMEBODY? OWN SOMEONE? Where’s your bar, bro, cause it’s pretty damnded high! Racist high, if you ask me. I love how you racists claim to be able to read minds too. How the hell do you know that Richards “didn’t mean it” ? You’re nothing but a sh*tbag racist yourself.

I don’t know why u censored my other post, that idiot deserved it.Because ONLY AND IDIOT would think that his stupid assed grandmother calling people NIGGERS was frigging “CUTE”!

I haven’t censored any of your posts in this thread; they were lined up in the moderation queue waiting for me to approve. I did censor your post in the Rosie O’Donnell thread where you talked about “faggots” with shit on their hands, etc. Normally I’d have banned you outright for something like that, particularly since I warned you about it once before, but I know you’re going to scream “racism!” if/when I do finally end up banning you. So consider this your second and last warning.

Other than the Allen incident, which to me was just stupidity, I have been a bit confused by the reaction to this, Gibson and some other recent incidents. Are there really so few people in the world who in a fit of anger and frustation lashed out at someone with words they didn’t really mean, just to try to hurt them?

I don’t know why u censored my other post, that idiot deserved it.Because ONLY AND IDIOT would think that his stupid assed grandmother calling people NIGGERS was frigging “CUTE”!

I remember my Grandma saying sh1t like “Look at that uppity n1gger!” when driving down the street with my folks in Biloxi. It was CUTE, if you can believe it. A crotchety old woman spitting vile. But we all know who her friends were.

Racist slave owners actuall had sex with the slaves they were keeping. I would daresay that having sex with someone is a closer relationship, even in rape, than your racist grannies “friends”, yet in your world I fear that even a slaveowner wouldn’t be considered racist.

So Richards has issues. It doesn’t make him a racist.

/can’t believe how much I had to edit this post.

Ugly on November 22, 2006 at 3:41 AM

Newsflash: your grandmother was a friggin’ racist and so are you. And if in your sick world a man that assaults people by calling them Niggers and hearkening back to a time when no Nigger would dare get in his face because of the whole, “fork in the ass” thing, is not a racist, you need your damned head examined. By the way,…racists burn in hell…sorry grandma.

Richards did not have anything in his tool belt, and did was doing a postmodern riff, a direct reference to Lenny Bruce’s famous bit on the word, and taking power out of that word.

But he forgot that we live in a PC age, where certain taboos must never be violated lest someone gets their feelings hurt.

Lenny Bruce is rolling over in his grave, I guarantee you that. Richard Pryor too. Not because of Kramer either.

wordwarp on November 22, 2006 at 10:16 AM

Oh, so Richards was HELPING us by taking the “power” out of a word that no one but he himself was using on that occasion, huh? Puh-lease. And what about his nostalgic remembrances of a time when we would be strung upside down and have forks shoved up our asses? Was he removing the fear of a rectal exam? You closet racists on this site have really gotta check yourselves. How come Mel Gibson was just a friggin’ nutbag racist, but yet Richards “was trying a bit?” Doing something edgy? It’s funny how a lot of you people lose all human understanding when the issue is BLACK. Could it be that you secretly were glad he said it? I’ve long thought that whites have never really dealt with the root of their perversions. Yes, I said perversions, what else would you call a race of people that has tried to subjugate and humiliate EVERY SINGLE OTHER RACE IT HAS EVER COME IN CONTACT WITH? I think there’s a sickness in the white race that many have been able to overcome, thank God, but many still have to make that trip into self examination. How else can you explain a site where Mark Furhman is a revered figure?

When the Liberal named Michael Jackson said the k-word and offended Jews the word was not repeated openly and no such talk about a Lenny Bruce quote replacing the n-word with the k-word was mentioned.

Also lets see what happens when the f-word is dropped and gays are offended.

Dealing with hecklers by humiliating them is a tool in the belt of every stand-up, because either you know how to deal with them, or you get out of the business. As you points out, what you don’t hear is the constant talking-during-the-act and heckling that Richards was putting up with to that point. Comics need to be in control of the stage, and dealing with the type who (usually drunk) get it into their heads that they’re funnier than you and they should be “part of the act” by interrupting you on stage, is a reality at every club in America.

Some of the best material a comic has is written, ahead of time, to shut those morons up.

Richards did not have anything in his tool belt, and did was doing a postmodern riff, a direct reference to Lenny Bruce’s famous bit on the word, and taking power out of that word.

But he forgot that we live in a PC age, where certain taboos must never be violated lest someone gets their feelings hurt.

Lenny Bruce is rolling over in his grave, I guarantee you that. Richard Pryor too. Not because of Kramer either.

Dealing with hecklers by humiliating them is a tool in the belt of every stand-up, because either you know how to deal with them, or you get out of the business. As you points out, what you don’t hear is the constant talking-during-the-act and heckling that Richards was putting up with to that point. Comics need to be in control of the stage, and dealing with the type who (usually drunk) get it into their heads that they’re funnier than you and they should be “part of the act” by interrupting you on stage, is a reality at every club in America.

Some of the best material a comic has is written, ahead of time, to shut those morons up.

Richards did not have anything in his tool belt, and did was doing a postmodern riff, a direct reference to Lenny Bruce’s famous bit on the word nigger, and taking power out of that word.

But he forgot that we live in a PC age, where certain taboos must never be violated lest someone gets their feelings hurt.

Lenny Bruce is rolling over in his grave, I guarantee you that. Richard Pryor too. Not because of Kramer either.

Explain something to me: how did a guy who called another guy “nigger” somehow end up as the sympathetic one in all this?

Douchebaggitude is the new black addiction

uncontrollable impulse

disease.

Of course, this isn’t the first and it won’t be the last time you see the “Oh, poor me! The Devil made me do it!” card being played. The poor thing…

Yankee Bastage.

AngryHank on November 22, 2006 at 12:57 AM

Which invokes my fond memories of Johnny Dangerously. :)