Tasermania: Another (alleged) UCLA student speaks
posted at 9:24 am on November 20, 2006 by Allahpundit
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Via Jim Treacher, the latest from the Tucker Max message boards:
As a current UCLA student and one who has been involved with this university for over 8 years now, I can tell you the late-night ID checks in Powell are neither random nor unprecedented. I’ve had this happen many times through the years. The CSOs come by (CSO = enrolled student, not cop, who has a radio and pepper spray and the authority to do not a lot more than ask you to comply with university regulations or state, local, and federal laws, then use aforementioned radio to call in someone to enforce your compliance if/when you refuse) and announce in a loud voice that they’ll be checking IDs and that anyone not possessing a Bruin Card will be asked to leave. This is a well-known policy. It is a posted policy. It is also a policy that I have observed being enforced every night I’ve been in the library after hours on every student present without regard to sex, color, manner of dress, or size of latte consumed. When you don’t have a Bruin Card, you’re asked to leave. If you don’t leave, you’re told the cops will come. If you still don’t leave, the cops are called.
At the point the actual gun-carrying, law-enforcing police arrive, it’s a little late to try and talk your way out of the situation or try and make a run for it…
We’ve had incidents of students being harassed, mugged, pick-pocketed and assaulted, just as any community has (incidentally, the UCPD and CSOs provide free escort services to anyone who requests it after hours in order to maintain the safety of students. All one has to do is pick up one of the numerous campus phones and call). If you refuse to leave when asked to do so, your behavior is already suspicious and grounds for at least detainment and questioning…
Based off the tone and intensity of his cries to not touch him, I think it might be reasonable to assume that Tabatabainejad may have jerked back violently from the officer’s grasp, shoved an officer, or otherwise reacted with a sudden physical outburst to accompany his vocal one. If I’m a cop, this would signal to me that I might not be dealing with a rational individual. Logic doesn’t work without the ability to rationalize, so sometimes force must be employed, whether verbal, non-verbal, physical, non-lethal, or lethal…
I find it odd that a student would respond in such a way if he were met with calm and reasonable demands from officers. I find it odd that the police would resort to the tactics they chose if the suspect in question clearly appeared to be a student or was complying in a timely and respectful fashion with their instructions…
I find it more odd that my fellow students would be so quick to organize rallies and protests against police brutality. Unless I’ve been living under a rock somewhere, this is the first incident I can recall in which the UCPD here at UCLA had to resort to this kind of force in dealing with a student.
He doesn’t really find that last part odd, though, does he?
You’ll be gratified to know that the Islamic Republic is now involved, its tender feelings having been hurt by the tasering of one of its “nationals.” Except that Tabatabainejad isn’t an Iranian national; he’s an American citizen. The foreign ministry vows that it’s “seriously pursuing the case.” Will Tabatabainejad accept their help? The blogosphere waits with bated breath to find out.
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Troy Rasmussen on November 20, 2006 at 9:36 AM
Isn’t it? I mean yeah, it’s UCLA, but organizing anything, unless it’s a kegger, generally takes more than a few hours/days. People have jobs, classes at all hours of the day, tests to study for (we’re nearing finals time) and just any number of other obligations.
Maybe it isn’t odd and maybe these protests can be rallied at a moments notice at UCLA, but as college graduate, I find it odd.
Esthier on November 20, 2006 at 9:50 AM
Maybe he should go to Iran and study at one of their universities. Something tells me that he would politely decline such an invitation.
BohicaTwentyTwo on November 20, 2006 at 9:52 AM
Politely? Doubt it.
Esthier on November 20, 2006 at 9:56 AM
Can we Taser the rest of them when they show up in support of this idiot as an example to those who might follow in his footsteps…
Viper1 on November 20, 2006 at 10:01 AM
I don’t find any of it odd. The hardworking screaming mimi student got exactly what he wanted.
bloggless on November 20, 2006 at 10:11 AM
Tasermanian Devil?
JasonG on November 20, 2006 at 10:15 AM
As a current UCLA student and one who has been involved with this university for over 8 years now
i really hope you’ve almost got that phd finished…
Mr. Bingley on November 20, 2006 at 10:41 AM
I am outraged that the Iranian people are outraged.
ic1redeye on November 20, 2006 at 10:48 AM
Can we expect some seething, soon?
bloggless on November 20, 2006 at 10:50 AM
So then why are they still coming here? What would have happened if an infidel had stormed an ID checkpoint in Iran? He probably wouldn’t be alive to sue like the Iranian student is doing.
januarius on November 20, 2006 at 10:50 AM
One more thing: What fools really think that Iran, which regularly spews statements like these, and Syria are going to help the United States in Iraq?
I can’t believe I keep seeing on the news dinosaurs like James Baker, Henry Kissenger, and others wanting us to talk to Iran to help in Iraq. It is the Twilight Zone.
januarius on November 20, 2006 at 10:56 AM
The “attack?”
Gregor on November 20, 2006 at 10:59 AM
The alternative was a wrist or arm lock. If the kid fights back he gets a broken bone, a worse situation for the cops. The kid got everything coming to him.
dougless on November 20, 2006 at 11:00 AM
Taser = Haram
Stoning = Halal
Pablo on November 20, 2006 at 11:00 AM
….am I the only martyr?
Okay, since you’re a student and probably know the rules about showing your ID, why make yourself a martyr? You want attention, you got it. Now maybe the UCPD should have turned up the juice on that there Taser and given Tabatabainejad al-Moron the martyrdom and 71/72/73 virgins he really wanted in his life.
Let me give you some advice……just don’t play with the cops. Make it easy on yourself and just show them your ID al-Moron types.
USN6872 on November 20, 2006 at 11:36 AM
Hahaha. Good one Pablo.
PRCalDude on November 20, 2006 at 12:12 PM
I’d say little Johnny (or whatever) got a valuable edumacation in real life.
mojo on November 20, 2006 at 12:13 PM
I question the timing.
Benthoven on November 20, 2006 at 12:22 PM
This smells. I think that this guy got the short straw when the campus loonyleft and radical islamic groups may have planned the incident as well as the reactive protests.
chsw on November 20, 2006 at 12:28 PM
i still think the cop overreacted and shouldve handed it over to hte main police
deserving it for being a putz doesn’t mean one should be tasered
Defector01 on November 20, 2006 at 12:37 PM
Respect and dignity? We explore this in further detail.
California Conservative on November 20, 2006 at 1:01 PM
My advice, Tabatha Bin-Tased should start “Tasered Douchebags For Peace - through disrupting the peace of the school library.”
And as for Iran’s “seriously pursuing the case”? Pursue THIS http://www.redflavored.com/images/fingers-djn3.jpg , you inbred goatf*ckers.
Teddy on November 20, 2006 at 1:11 PM
NOT hyperbole: “The Cow Says Mooo”
The Cow Says Mooo
RushBaby on November 20, 2006 at 3:22 PM
You’re not kiddin’…
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/4748292.stm
Teddy on November 20, 2006 at 3:48 PM
My Puerto Rican comes out when hearing this mierda, and only wants to tell them, “Vayanse al carajo, maricones! And mind your own business!”
batperez on November 20, 2006 at 4:35 PM
I mean the Iranians can go there.
batperez on November 20, 2006 at 4:36 PM
Students at virtually any university actually sign a contract when they enter. One of the codicils in the contract is an agreement to follow the campus rules.
It is a legal, binding contract.
It does not state, comply only with the rules you agree to!
I was once asked to leave a laboratory on the campus I attended, because I forgot my identification. What did I do? I left, not necessarily happily mind you, but I retrieved my identification.
I returned, produced the ID and continued my studies.
I also learned a valuable lesson and remembered to carry my identification with me from that point forward.
What is so difficult about compliance? These “Free Thinkers” seem to believe that their free thinking also includes “bucking authority” at every opportunity.
Was the response unwarranted?
I truthfully do not know.
They should have cuffed him (whatever that would involve, considering the belligerence he was exhibiting) which might have ended up causing the student MORE harm and removed him from the building by force.
What I do know is that this would be a moot point, had the student simply complied in the first place and retrieved his identfication.
Society always begins to break down when people believe they are above the law.
What a weenie!
MITX on November 20, 2006 at 6:00 PM
I had the same thing happen twice when I was using UCLA’s Law Library to write a book two years ago.
If you are a non-student, you have to carry a yellow card identifying you as such when you check in (non-students are permitted, but not during finals weeks), and twice someone came by and asked to see my yellow card as I sat in the stacks, as I had forgotten to leave it out where you could see it on the desk of the carrel (carell carrell? carol? car- oh, $#@ it) per their policy.
I would blog about it, but Firefox 2.0 has so seriously screwed up my iBookG4 or is so not interested in being friends and playing nice with google’s blogger.com beta, that I can’t.
Why I ever downloaded a “.0″ piece of software anyway is just beyond me. iTunes 7.0 was enough to learn that lesson for life.
Anyone with a suggestion on a remedy, please leave it here. TIA
wordwarp on November 20, 2006 at 7:13 PM
Here’s the UCLA Law Library’s regulations on non-student users — which the CSO would have assumed he was when he failed to produce ID, assuming the policy is similar for their regular library:
wordwarp on November 20, 2006 at 7:27 PM
And we all know what a bastion of racial tolerance and religious freedom Iran is.
theholyhermit on November 20, 2006 at 10:59 PM
From the article, “Tehran denounces assault on Iranian student at UCLA” The United States has a long history of racism as well as violating the rights of its religious minorities and immigrants, he pointed out.
This is a red herring if ever there were one, and too simplistic, leaving a large gap in the facts to be taken without being placed into context.
1) Slavery has been taking place throughout the world for thousands of years.
2) In North America, including the antebellum United States, slavery lasted for approximately 300 to 400 years tops.
3) In the antebellum South (Of what is now the United States of America) there were approximately 3,000 black landowners who owned slaves.
4) Africans were chief slave owners and slave traders throughout most of the recorded history of slavery on planet earth.
5) Arabs are also among the chief slave owners in recorded history.
6) Both Africans and Arabs were the chief peoples who captured, kidnapped, enslaved, and shipped to be traded in the slave trade.
7) In the world today, Arabs and Africans are the chief slave traders and slave owners.
8) Muslims are a very large portion of the slave owners and slave traders today.
9) Muslims have been among the most racist of peoples in the history of the world. The Grand Mufti was personally involved with helping Hitler and his cronies hunt down and capture Jews and ship then off to death camps, or hunt them down and kill them.
10) Throughout history, for the past 1,400 years Muslims throughout South Asia, the Middle East, and Northern Africa, have been actively involved in slave trade and ownership, as well as in attacking and slaughtering Hindus, Christians, Jains, Buddhists, Jews, Zoroastrians, and others.
11) In the United States itself, blacks and Hispanics are the most racist groups. Blacks practice institutionalized racism in education, politics, economics, media, comedy, entertainment, and in other areas as well. They get a free pass on their racist treatment of whites, Asians, Orientals, etc., as well as their hate speech and racist speech against same. Koreans have been subject to slurs by black mobs such as “Blood suckers! Go back to where you came from,” and have endured vandalism against their property, such as shops, as well as personal attacks, violent attacks against their person.
Black comedians frequently engage in racist comments in their “jokes,” mocking Chinese, Indians, Pakistanis, Vietnamese, Koreans, Japanese, Koreans, and Caucasians alike, all without complaints of “racism” even though these insults are clear, up front, for all the world to see.
Julian Bond, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Harry Belafonte, members of the “New Black Panther Party,” Shabaz, Louis Farahkan, and company, and the list goes on, have all engaged in racist comments, shake downs, con games, false accusations, race mongering, race hustling, the whole nine yards, and walk free, unencumbered by their racist, arrogant, hate filled agenda and behavior.
12) Jews and Caucasians in North America did more to help bring about civil rights, end slavery, and equal rights for blacks, Hispanics, Asians, Orientals, etc., than any other group. They risked their lives in such projects as the underground railroad, in overturning segregation and racist abuses of blacks in the south and elsewhere. Many Jews and Caucasians were kidnapped and tortured to death, set ablaze, flogged, and so on, while helping blacks escape both slavery and harsh treatment.
13) In the past 300 years alone the most violent acts have been perpetrated by Mao Tse Dong, who killed tens of millions of Chinese; Joseph Stalin, who slaughtered more than 20 million; Hitler and the NAZI party who slaughtered more than 12 million people; Idi Amin, who slaughtered millions of people; Robert Zimbabwe, who confiscated farms from white farmers, butchered farm workers, and has led to the starvation and poverty in Zimbabwe; Sudan - which still practices slavery, and which has been engaged in genocide of black Christians, and certain Muslim sects; Mauritania - which still practices slavery; Cambodia - in which Pol Pot butchered and killed more than 2 million people; and the list goes on and on.
14) The United States of America is among the most racially diverse countries in the history of the world. Here one will find black males walking hand in hand with white females. Chinese women marrying Hispanic men. Hispanic men marrying black women. Chinese men marrying cauciasian females. Black women marrying Arab men, and so on. Compare that to China, Iran, Korea, Mexico, and elsewhere, where these countries still are predominently pastuerized, with basically a predominently Chinese, Korean, or Iranian face.
The bogus, holier than though pabulum perpetrated by the likes of this “Foreign Ministry spokesman Mohammad-Ali Hosseini” is disingenuous to say the least.
In the worlds credited to Jesus the Christ, “Let he who is without sin, throw the first stone.” “First remove the mote from thine own eye before you point out the mote in your neighbor’s eye.”
In predominantly Muslim ruled countries Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Jains, Sikhs, Ba’hais, and others still undergo persecution, slaughter, abuse of personal freedoms, religious freedoms, and liberties. The United States of America affords protections of these freedoms for all, which is why immigration is often a virtual one way street, with millions coming into the United States, and few going out. People know that it is wonderful here and wish to be a part of it.
This entire line of thought, that the United States has a history of racism must be put in its proper perspective, and that includes looking at who engages in racism here - it is blacks, Hispanics, Arabs, and others, not just whites, and it is engaged in throughout Europe, Asian, Africa, and the Middle East.
Look at the pot calling the kettle black!
William
William2006 on November 20, 2006 at 11:58 PM
all the pageantry in less than 60 seconds
jummy on November 21, 2006 at 12:45 AM
sorry, link fixed
jummy on November 21, 2006 at 1:05 AM
I don’t find anything about this story odd. I’m convinced that the entire show was staged, and that the protests were prepared well in advance.
In three threads here, and two more at Patterico, I’ve heard nobody else suggest that this Iranian-American student HAD an ID card, but fully intended to create a scene by refusing to show it. Knowing that the campus police would be called to respond to his violation of policy, he intentionally generated as much disruption as possible, first with a screaming fit as soon as he was touched, then dropping to the ground while continuing to shriek. That the UCPD officers didn’t handcuff him suggests that he was physically avoiding contact, potentially thrashing around on the floor.
Wrestling with a hysterical kid in the middle of a library isn’t something the police would care to do, all they wanted was for him to get outside.
The video of the event will not serve his side in a lawsuit. When proper authorities tell you repeatedly to get up and walk out, repeatedly warn of the consequences of non-compliance, it just doesn’t look good.
At least he provided me some entertainment.
Freelancer on November 21, 2006 at 5:09 AM