What is a religion if it is NOT constituted by the Clerics and the worshippers? DUH. The right wing religious nutbags hiding out in the woods of Montana are REPUDIATED BY the religious RIGHT in this country! Falwell and Robertson, while I certainly have differences with them doctrinally, do not give marching orders to the Klan, or have anything to do with those who MISUSE their faith. The relationship between the IMAMS, CLERICS, SCHOLARS and TERRORISTS is a paternal relationship with the aformentioned giving marching orders, blessings, financial help and most importantly, ABSOLUTIONS from sin to the latter.

Terrorism would end tomorrow is the Imams and Clerics deemed it to be sin, but it is officially condoned and called, “Halel”.

Most of us on this board knew this already – now, the rest of the world will get it because, well because it’s a Gallup World Poll.

Entelechy on November 20, 2006 at 2:38 PM

It’ll take more than a Gallup poll to put an end to decades of Marxist assumptions.

What makes a Muslim radical?

How about a coward Mullah, $25,000, 72 virgins, and a promise of eternal martyrdom.

Sounds like a good deal to me.

That’s probably what they all say. Might’ve had second thoughts, had they bothered to read the fine print: “…the promise of 72 virgins”

How about a coward Mullah, $25,000, 72 virgins, and a promise of eternal martyrdom.

Sounds like a good deal to me.

Send in the next martyr to be, please.

There IS no “moderate” or “radical” muslim…

There are two types of muslims:

First, you have the ones that fly airplanes into buildings. They are the *fundamenalists* who believe the koran is the word of allah and that all infidels must convert or die. The fundies can be subdivided into two more groups: Those who do the actual killing of infidels and those who support those who do the killing.

For the second type of muslim, you have the ones that do NOT fly airplanes into buildings. They are the *apostates*. They also can be subdivided into two more groups: Those who help the infidel by fighting against the fundie muslims and those who do not take either side.

Apostates are worse than infidels in the eyes of the fundies because they (the apostates) oughta know better than the stupid, dirty infidels.

Fundies and apostates, NOT radicals and moderates.

The reason I wondered aloud whether genocide is the only solution is because they have the confidence that they do precisely because there are so many of them worldwide. 1.2 Billion. With a B. 10% radicalized. At least. Do western cultures have the stomach to kill a hundred million people? Plus those who will be radicalized by that act? Not even close.

Not yet, but we will. It will most likely take more attacks on us, but eventually we’ll fight back – hard.

And while Islam has 1.2 Billion, keep in mind, our Hindu friends may get pretty ticked off soon as well. These continued bomb attacks are getting very, very old.

If the West starts to seriously fall, at some point it may be China to the rescue. It’s one thing to enjoy watching us struggle and falter against the Islamic plague but China won’t want to see the establishment of the Caliphate turning it’s eye towards China next. At some point China may have to come in carrying a very big stick, just for it’s own self protection.

The other path may be that the liberals suddenly realise that their freedoms are being threatened. I was talking with this young lesbian lady who works at a store I frequent. We talk frequently. She knows I’m pretty liberal socially but in terms of this particular war, I’m VERY right wing. I pointed out how I didn’t understand gays who hate President Bush since he’s fighting a war for them. Islam wants her and her girlfriend dead, and they do execute them regularly. She seemed to understand and agree. There was a glimmer of light, which is probably why I like her in the first place.

I’d personally like to see our politicians actively state that they want the United States to be an Islamic country. Come out in favour of establishing Sharia law, advocate the public execution of gays, forced marriages, sharia rape laws, the whole nine yards all in the glorious name of Islam. Liberal heads would explode.

Whey they’re not risking only their own lives, but also the lives of their relatives, their neighborhoods, and their “civilization” (such as it is), they *MIGHT* think better of this whole “shahid” thing.

If not, seeking them out and hastening their ambitions on will become an inevitable necessity.

Puritan1648 on November 20, 2006 at 3:54 PM

The point is that they have already stated that, unlike we who worship life, they worship death. They have been sending their children to blow themselves up, as well as Israelis on a regular basis. They don’t care about their own lives, the lives of their relatives, or their neighborhoods. And they think that their civilization, such as it is, will outlive that of the west because they have the will to die and kill while we do not. I truly don’t think we can intimidate them into backing down.

At what point do we acknowledge the inevitable necessity, though? Do we do it early when we can still handle the problem (though not painlessly); or do we wait until it is patently obvious that there is an inevitable necessity because we have several American cities that vaporize in a glowing mushroom cloud. By then it is too late. If they control all the oil in the Middle East (which has been their goal since the Shah fell, which is why we supported Saddam in the first place), then they can afford an arsenal big enough to eradicate the world.

The reason I wondered aloud whether genocide is the only solution is because they have the confidence that they do precisely because there are so many of them worldwide. 1.2 Billion. With a B. 10% radicalized. At least. Do western cultures have the stomach to kill a hundred million people? Plus those who will be radicalized by that act? Not even close.

At this point, I feel there is no hope. Christ’s second coming will be required to eradicate the scourge Islam. Make no mistake, it will be a genocide, but that doesn’t mean that every human will die. It just means that a very large number will. Then Christ will establish His kingdom (as was stated above). He will still rule over people on the Earth. That’s why He’s the King. The Christians wil help Him rule. That’s why He’s the King of kings. Rev 2:10 talks abuot God giving His overcomers a crown; and in 3:21 He says He will share His throne.

Puritan1648, I’m starting to favor those Old-Testament-y ways, myself.

I think an apt comparison that might make sense to Americans is Eric Rudolph. What is the difference between Rudolph, a convicted abortion clinic bomber and murderer, and others who are against abortion, especially those with “Run, Rudolph, Run” bumperstickers? You see, they both have the same basic philosophy, but only Eric Rudolph actually carried out violence, not the thousands, perhaps millions who sympathized with his cause and perhaps felt his acts were justified.

It seems to me the same thing is true of Muslims. A consistent thread in the Muslim world is that Muslims do not hate Americans, they hate American policy. The difference, therefore, between moderates and radicals is how to achieve that change. If they take the route Eric Rudolph took – violent action, then they’re radicals. If they take a peaceful approach, then they’re moderates.

Similarly, there’s an interested thread over at Micheal Totten’s website that references relevant articles and blogs on the state of Arab liberalism and democracy movements.

urbancenturion on November 20, 2006 at 3:17 PM

The New Testament Book, Revelations, is about a confrontation with the “Antichrist-may or may not be Muslim- and the forces of evil”. Don’t see anything intepretive as genocide there. The Apocalypse (world ending) by definition is not genocide as everyone dies.

We would probably find out that what would satisfy and “un-radicalize” these jokers is the same thing that would placate the internationalist Left:

* Give them *ALL* that they demand,

* Give it to them *NOW*,

* Anticipate what they’ll want tomorrow and give *THAT* up,

* Annihilate Israel and every man, woman, child, pet, plant and microbe therein,

* Repeat as necessary,

* Convert *EVERYONE* to Islam…*THEIR* flavor of Islam….

…and then, you have the problem of which flavor of Islam, which imam, which Middle Eastern cultural grandee, and which political microfaction one aligns to determines the direction of the *NEXT* trumped-up, overly-dramatic, bloody and seemingly endless round of butchery comes *NEXT* out the Middle East, the insane asylum of Planet Earth…which is saying something.

Who cares *HOW* they radicalized. The point is to get them to see their self-interest in accepting civilization and stopping…or in finding and fixing ‘em in other, more Old-Testament-y sorts of ways.

And as I recall Jesus basically said simply believing (and accepting him as you savior) is the way to heaven.

No mention of killing non-christians, hating or humiliating them. Conversion is mentioned – but by being a ‘witness’ and not by the sword (convert or die!). Love your enemy as opposed to Kill the Infidels…..

BTW: Spencer may be on O’Reilly tonight.

I mean, darn, I was hoping you could get me tickets :^)

Or worse, what if the solution is to counteract the demographic explosion with a level of violence and (dare I say it) genocide? — urbancenturion

…I don’t know if “counteract(ing) the demographic explosion with a level of violence and…genocied” is necessary.

Violence to the level where the weenies who’re now pushing people out the door wearing dynamites belts are p*ssing in their britches at the prospect of the US response would be sufficient.

Whey they’re not risking only their own lives, but also the lives of their relatives, their neighborhoods, and their “civilization” (such as it is), they *MIGHT* think better of this whole “shahid” thing.

If not, seeking them out and hastening their ambitions on will become an inevitable necessity.

You’re in the Canadian Hockey League? Cool!

db on November 20, 2006 at 3:36 PM

hehe, no… Concealed Handgun License. Significantly more dangerous than a body check.

and I won’t be letting my CHL lapse again.

urbancenturion on November 20, 2006 at 2:47 PM

You’re in the Canadian Hockey League? Cool!