Video: SNL on Islamophobia

posted at 12:55 am on November 19, 2006 by Allahpundit

It’s funny ’cause it’s true. Thanks, as usual, to RightWinged for the tip.


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that was a long pause for some uncomfortable laughter from the new york audience.

lorien1973 on November 19, 2006 at 12:59 AM

Well, what we have here. A new theory. Muslims do not want to incite to become like them. They want to give them a cause. I forgot that something also brings us together: gay marriage. I have nothing against. I love my gay brothers and sisters. However, kiss a fellow man or woman(I am not sexist)that you like. If you feel uncomfortable, kiss some more. it will eliminate any homophobic tendencies. This is Ouabam theraphy.

Ouabam on November 19, 2006 at 1:10 AM

Thanks for another h/t Allah… Here’s my email/context for anyone who may care:

This was really weird. Weekend Update has become less and less funny with each year (and episode of SNL really), and usually amounts to nothing more than a Bush/GOP bashing fest where jokes aren’t that funny, but get cheers (instead of laughter) from the Kool Aid audience.

That’s why I was shocked to hear Seth Meyers deliver this “report” on tonight’s episode:

“Christian and Muslim Britains joined forces yesterday to tell city officials to stop taking the Christianity out of Christmas, warning them that this simply fuels a backlash against Muslims. Also fueling a backlash against Muslims… Terrorism.

Whoa! I don’t know if (today’s) Dennis Miller would say that. Well, he might, but if he did it on H&C’s “Real Free Speech”, you know Media Matters would have something to say about it.

Anyway, I hate to give Meyers any credit, but he did say it.

But I have to thank the first comment here from lorien1973 for mentioning something I forgot to include in my email:

that was a long pause for some uncomfortable laughter from the new york audience.

lorien1973 on November 19, 2006 at 12:59 AM

Lol, that truly was part of what made it so great… This rabidly left SNL audience didn’t know how to handle it. A few gave obligatory punch line laughter that was slowly followed by another fraction of the audience providing relatively quiet laughs, and so on. It was almost like “the wave” the way the laughs came. Then sense it was clear that it didn’t get “real laughter”, the folks went in to the pity applause audiences always give bombed jokes. You could almost feel the crowd cringing and looking at eachother saying “can we laugh at this? Did Seth botch it?”

RightWinged on November 19, 2006 at 1:11 AM

I love my gay brothers and sisters.

How many do you have!?

RightWinged on November 19, 2006 at 1:12 AM

This reminds me of something Ace has said a couple of times. He said that whenever he turns on the news and sees the end of a segment where the reporter says “Muslim leaders fear a backlash,” he immediately thinks, “Oh, Jesus, whhat did they blow up now?”

Sean M. on November 19, 2006 at 1:17 AM

I don’t think the audience was hesitant to laugh. You have to remember that their stupid. It just took some of them a while to get the joke.

I thought it was hilarious.

Jaibones on November 19, 2006 at 1:19 AM

I see the SNL crowd must have viewed the Glenn Beck expose this week. Hmm funny how an insane cleric brandishing a sword,with 200,000 screaming supporters gets attention. Do detect the fear factor. Our military might start looking pretty good,to these brats!

sonnyspats1 on November 19, 2006 at 1:23 AM

I don’t think the audience was hesitant to laugh. You have to remember that their stupid. It just took some of them a while to get the joke.

I thought it was hilarious.

Jaibones on November 19, 2006 at 1:19 AM

I don’t know Jai… I watch (or semi-watch/listen) to SNL in the background when I can, and it’s becoming like the fricken’ Daily Show, just a big lib fest. I think they really didn’t know what to do with that joke and were stunned… like “wait, did we understand that right”… They couldn’t believe their ears and though “there must be some mistake”. Of course this is all speculation, but it’s based on my observation of the types of jokes this audience eats up. The writing has gotten pathetic on the show, and the crowd goes wild over stupid and unfunny “jokes” statements simply if they are meant to bash Bush.

RightWinged on November 19, 2006 at 1:24 AM

Well, not literally, I meant it the way that black people mean brother. I have a gay friend who pressured me to do this after I told him that I’m not homophobic. After the test, I felt stupid. I was trying to convert him to be straight and he was doing likewise. Well, I had to kiss the guy. My girlfriend even pressured me to do it. As an extremist, I can not coverted. Well, each time, he approaches me. I always ask him to stop hitting on me. I guess that I am homophobic. If you spend more that 20 seconds kissing, you must be gay. Accept your fate in gayland

Ouabam on November 19, 2006 at 1:25 AM

We should recruit Muslim republicans.

Ouabam on November 19, 2006 at 1:27 AM

The truth hits home, even on SNL.

omegaram on November 19, 2006 at 1:29 AM

In spite of their political beliefs, I feel the laughter was genuine – even if, uncomfortable at first. People are ready to come together under the same knowledge that muslim extremists are fueling terrorism. If only we had a leader who could articulate this message. If only, someone would step forward and bring the country together under this “thing” we all know and feel about muslim extremism: that it promotes terrorism around the world. This “religion of peace” is only peaceful when practiced by moderate people. Radicals, however, have taken over.

thedecider on November 19, 2006 at 1:30 AM

Okay, I’m not really sure I know, or want to know, what you’re talking about with all this gay kissing stuff, but part of your last response in our exchange cracked me up:

I love my gay brothers and sisters.

Ouabam on November 19, 2006 at 1:10 AM

How many do you have!?

RightWinged on November 19, 2006 at 1:12 AM

Well, not literally, I meant it the way that black people mean brother.

Ouabam on November 19, 2006 at 1:25 AM

Lol, have you seen Zoolander? Because you practically just stole a line from him (click to listen to the Wav)… This was when he was giving the “eugoogally” at his friends’ funeral, after they died in a “freak gasoline fight accident”:

“Rufus, Brint and Meekus were like brothers to me. And when I say brother, I don’t mean like an actual brother but I mean it like the way black people use it… which is more meaningful, I think.”

RightWinged on November 19, 2006 at 1:35 AM

I think you give the American people too much credit thedecider. It becomes clearer each day, just how unaware of the threat Americans are, because we’re so far removed from most of the attacks. They don’t understand the fight we’re in, I think you would agree?

RightWinged on November 19, 2006 at 1:37 AM

I think you would agree?

RightWinged on November 19, 2006 at 1:37 AM

Yes! I would agree, wholeheartedly! I don’t believe many Americans really understand the threat we’re up against. They are tired of the war in Iraq and “stories” they hear from the MSM (who present a very one-sided view). However, I do feel there is an underlying belief among all Americans that needs to be awakened – or realized – that the muslim religion promotes extremism becuase of the radica Imams currently espousing hatred against the west. I really believe common Americans know this. The SNL audience laughing in this clip (I believe) agree.

thedecider on November 19, 2006 at 1:45 AM

Lol, have you seen Zoolander?

I got it from Zoolander.

Well, the discussion on muslims is interesting because we cannot have that message delievered by the so-called eloquent leader. Islam needs reform. It need competition just Christianity during the revolt against the catholic church. When clerics work to maintain their audience, I think you will see some moderation.

Ouabam on November 19, 2006 at 1:46 AM

Yech! I apologize for my bad grammar in my previous post.

thedecider on November 19, 2006 at 1:47 AM

Yech! I apologize for my bad grammar in my previous post.

I wish could delete some my post

To add to the previous discussion, If one reads the Koran, the message is strict in the sense that it is hard to reconcile with the modern world. As conservatives, we are struggling to maintain tradition in lieu of excessive demand for change such as legalization of abortion, pcp, etc. They are trying to do the same.

Ouabam on November 19, 2006 at 1:55 AM

I wish could delete some my post

I wish that I could delete some of my post.

I did it again

Ouabam on November 19, 2006 at 1:56 AM

I think there is a facton in this country that is not going to sit idely by while Islam is force fed us to the extent the Brits have done. The Dems are looking to roll back the patriot act and NSA powers. The must be gay they like to cut the gonads off so many things. Does anyone think we will experience suicide bomers here and street fighting? If so how long do you think before that stuff starts?

sonnyspats1 on November 19, 2006 at 2:03 AM

Ouabam on November 19, 2006 at 1:55 AM

Thanks Ouabam. You’ve supported some of my conservative rants in the past as well. I agree: the extremism promulgated by Muslim ideology is completely against western thinking; politically, and practically. I truly fear the ideology of political correctness in a world where liberal thinking sinks to the lowest common denominator in the form of multi-culturalism.

thedecider on November 19, 2006 at 2:03 AM

You may be right about the underlying belief thedecider, but I’m not confident that they will be “awakened” unless they see a mushroom cloud. Again, I think you probably agree too.

I have to maintain my disagreement about the laughter from the audience though. There was a clear pause then a smattering of weak laughter, turned in to the pity clapping that follows bombed jokes. Meyers must have felt like Kerry botching a joke up there.

RightWinged on November 19, 2006 at 2:06 AM

RightWinged on November 19, 2006 at 2:06 AM

You’re right, they were uncomfortable. This doesn’t fit within their PC ideology. You and I know this ideology is weak and thinly veiled with PC correctness. However, I will maintain that, deep inside, they know the truth. They know radical Islam is threatening our way of life. Whether it agrees or disagrees with their ideology is something they have to deal with. Again, I wish we had a leader who could articulate this message in a way ALL could ‘get it’.

thedecider on November 19, 2006 at 2:11 AM

Does anyone think we will experience suicide bomers here and street fighting? If so how long do you think before that stuff starts?

sonnyspats1 on November 19, 2006 at 2:03 AM

I used to, and in many ways still do, however I think Europe will go completely to hell in about 15-20 years and it will America to the rescue again…. Though as I’m typing this, thinking of the WWII parallel, I realize that at the time there weren’t Kamakazis living in sleeper cells in our country. There are however Qaeda sleeper cells, and I believe millions, or at least hundreds of thousands of Muslims who are at the very least sympathetic to terrorist causes. They don’t assimilate, and I would fear a drastic move when we enter the real war to bail out Europe. The terrorist who are already here may be able to gain more followers who previously weren’t entirely “terrorist”, but at home very anti-infidel.

So anyway, I started off saying that I used to fear the suicide bombs here, but changed my mind because we’ll be stopping it when we bail out Europe.. but I realized as I was typing that some of these people are here now. How many? Tough to say, but they aren’t going anywhere, and if the Dems have their way, we won’t be spying and rounding them up. Can we get every one? No, of course not. But that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do all we can. Same goes for profiling at airports.

RightWinged on November 19, 2006 at 2:13 AM

Again, I wish we had a leader who could articulate this message in a way ALL could ‘get it’.

thedecider on November 19, 2006 at 2:11 AM

What are you talking about? Bush is the king of articulation. (enjoy, the pre-2002 stuff is the best… “you’re workin’ hard to put food on yer family” “ticket counters, and airlines will fly outta Ronald Reagan airport”, etc.)

RightWinged on November 19, 2006 at 2:15 AM

Another quick point I’d like to mention here… the actual story Meyers was talking about is the “culture war” issue the left says is imaginary, and created by O’Reilly and John Gibson. I’m sure somehow the controversy in England is their fault too?

RightWinged on November 19, 2006 at 2:17 AM

I see everything as an ideological war. If democrats think that removing all this restrictions will change everything. They are wrong. Muslims know their history: Years of U.S exploitation of the middle east. Nobody is addressing that. Everybody thinks that the hatred started when bush took office. It is sad to say this: most Americans have poor grasp of history. With liberals taking over colleges, we are learning irrelevant things such as gay history. The democrats will wake when they learn the real truth about.

Ouabam on November 19, 2006 at 2:25 AM

I beleive that the jihadists are determined to infultrate and overtake the U.S. I beleive they are in the process of doing that now. First with moderate muslims then followed by progressivly more and more radical strains of Islam. Just like in the past 25 years the U.S.has had a silent invasion by immigrants from India and Pakistan. In South Florida the Hatian community has grown to such size as to displace the citizens of many established cities. Dade county has is Cubans. Just examples of the size and scope of what can happen before our eyes and in a short time.

sonnyspats1 on November 19, 2006 at 2:26 AM

RightWinged on November 19, 2006 at 2:15 AM

That was an interesting link. I just added it to my favorites so I don’t forget it. I haven’t read entirely through the whole thing but I will go back and review it. However, I don’t believe most Americans are as well-read as you. When I state that I want leadership who can articulate this message, I’m referring to a platform that all Americans see and hear. I think the portion of Americans who get their news still recieve it from the MSM, and I haven’t heard Republican leadership out in droves talking about this sort of thing. What remains on the minds of common citizens is our President talking about Islam as a “religion of peace”…highjacked…by extremists (not an exact quote). I don’t believe common Americans search the web for more than this (or the content supported in the link you provided). I wish for leadership unafraid of confronting radical Islam for what it really is; without the PC talking points as is so commonly seen.

thedecider on November 19, 2006 at 2:35 AM

I’m thinking the best way to repel the invasion is to make babies and send them to school. So then you look around and see abortion clinics and the idiotic curriculum being tought in todays schools. This was a critical election we just lost. The Fn msm. Bush knows what hes doing,with no child left behind and his Supreme court appointments.WTF can’t these people see. This is for the whole enchilada.

sonnyspats1 on November 19, 2006 at 2:36 AM

thedecider on November 19, 2006 at 2:35 AM

Haha, I knew what you meant thedecider, that link is just a joke site by a Bush hater, but the audio clips of Bush flubs are hilarious to one and all. I completely agree with the serious point you are getting at though.

RightWinged on November 19, 2006 at 2:54 AM

OH I guess I need to get on topic gay gay gay kiss kiss kiss

sonnyspats1 on November 19, 2006 at 2:58 AM

Yawn… SNL never fails to disappoint.

x95b10 on November 19, 2006 at 3:03 AM

OH I guess I need to get on topic gay gay gay kiss kiss kiss

sonnyspats1 on November 19, 2006 at 2:58 AM

Ewww.

Ouabam on November 19, 2006 at 3:05 AM

he who smelt it delt it

sonnyspats1 on November 19, 2006 at 3:17 AM

eeewww!!

sonnyspats1 on November 19, 2006 at 3:17 AM

Ouabam – the 1:25 post

Thw whole kissing the same gender to prove you’re not homophobic thing… dude, that’s just not right.

And frankly, I want to know where you hang out that stuff like that happens a lot, so I can not go there.

Because, as I said, it’s just not right.

And the whole thing where your girlfriend wanted you to kiss another guy… that is also just not right.

Though, odds are you could make a bundle in the adult entertainment industry.

Merovign on November 19, 2006 at 4:01 AM

Whoever wathces the crap guests get what they deserve with the newesr SNL’s. As soon as I saw it was Ludacris, I turend the channel. I did however turn it back on to see weekend update. It turned sucky in 2 minutes. I turned my TV off. BTW. I am 50 years old. If the young people like this garbage our civilaztion is doomed. Yes, I was an SNL fan, and every year I try to watch it, but get extremely disgusted with the crap they try to pass of as funny. And having this scumbag Ludacris is disgusting. oh yeay, I still try to catch Smigle’s cartoons in TV Funhouse, but he did one last week that was the worst ever. Why does he waste such great talent.

retired on November 19, 2006 at 4:56 AM

They just aren’t used to having to laugh at themselves. The joke was funny but laughing required some willingness to acknowledge their own desire to ignore the obvious.

TBinSTL on November 19, 2006 at 5:44 AM

that was a long pause for some uncomfortable laughter from the new york audience.

And that is why I have washed my hands of New York.

EF on November 19, 2006 at 6:45 AM

Ibraham Cooper of CAIR must have blown a brain aneurysm.

Valiant on November 19, 2006 at 7:00 AM

I haven’t watched SNL since Moby Dick was a minnow…

And I agree, the long pause waiting for audience reaction was awkward, could be that the stage crew decide to help the audience make up their minds.

…and it was a funny line.

Zorro on November 19, 2006 at 7:11 AM

I don’t watch SNL or MadTV very much, but I’ve seen a few MadTV skits that definitely didn’t tiptoe around Muslim extremism/tendency to violence. One of the funnies skits I saw was about an Arabic newscast/talkshow, and all the news anchors and guests kept throwing in the phrase “Death to America” every 5 seconds (“Welcome to our program, and death to America”- “Thank you Abdul, and death to America…”). I saw another a few weeks ago where they were making fun of extreme Bush hatred (and extreme Bush-love)If any of you watch MadTV more often, do you know if that kind of thing is more common/they are more balanced than SNL?

tikvah on November 19, 2006 at 7:22 AM

Sonny, if we stop playing our enemy in THEIR stadium, yes, they WILL play us HERE in OUR stadium.

Ouabam, kissing a guy to prove that you’re not gay … is soooooo … (how do I put this?) … GAY!

Tony737 on November 19, 2006 at 7:54 AM

“Thw whole kissing the same gender to prove you’re not homophobic thing… dude, that’s just not right”

Ok, for those that don’t know this already, IT’S A FREEKING PLOY TO GET YOU TO KISS THEM.

You’re not gay, you’re a dork :P

- The Cat

MirCat on November 19, 2006 at 8:04 AM

The audience was applauding and cheering after that long pause. I think the people who were laughing were the normal people who feel like they have to self-censor in a lefty New York audience. When they realized that other people there thought it was funny too, they felt emboldened to go ahead and laugh and applaud. It was totally sincere.

juliesa on November 19, 2006 at 10:13 AM

You guys get weird during the long night…

shooter on November 19, 2006 at 10:23 AM

Hm if the MSM and the majority of politicians won’t directly acknowledge the link between Islam and terrorism then I’m not suprised the truth might be awkward for a New York television audience.

aengus on November 19, 2006 at 10:40 AM

MirCat on November 19, 2006 at 8:04 AM

Tony737 on November 19, 2006 at 7:54 AM

Merovign on November 19, 2006 at 4:01 AM

Guys, I’m sure that Ouabams 1:25 post about Man on Man kissing is nothing but tounge in cheek* humor.

EFG on November 19, 2006 at 10:59 AM

All of my horribly bad puns aside, I think he is just pulling a deliberately obtuse Derek Zoolander style gag.

It made me laugh.

EFG on November 19, 2006 at 11:01 AM

Well, the discussion on muslims is interesting because we cannot have that message delievered by the so-called eloquent leader. Islam needs reform. It need competition just Christianity during the revolt against the catholic church. When clerics work to maintain their audience, I think you will see some moderation.

Ouabam on November 19, 2006 at 1:46 AM

Very true Ouabam. America successfully protestantized Catholics, we can do the same with Islam. What we need is an informed nation. Not afraid of Nationalism. Glen Beck’s special will help in that regard as well as the freshmen class of Democrats. A stretch I know, but a great many of them ran on economic nationalism, which inevitably gets around to helping define our identity as Americans.

With more and more information on radicals within Islam being exposed, the “Us” and the “Them” are becoming more clearly defined.

Theworldisnotenough on November 19, 2006 at 11:11 AM

Oh and on the gay thing, heck no I’m not kissing a dude! I went to a gym in a gay neighborhood because it was close to work… That lasted for 4 workouts until some guy was looking me up and down in the locker room!

Theworldisnotenough on November 19, 2006 at 11:14 AM

SNL just isn’t funny anymore. A lot of today’s comedy just isn’t funny. Being really mean to someone or some group just isn’t funny, it’s just mean.

Neo on November 19, 2006 at 12:00 PM

Of course this joke is okay now after the Dems took Congress. They wouldn’t dare make this joke before for fear of seeming supportive of he GOP. Plus Fey is gone. She always seemed like a loony lefty. I could be wrong, but it really seemed that way. She seemed to get a little extra kick out of bashing Bush.

SNL is totally and completely biased and has been for several years. I just don’t watch anymore. I love the cast but if they’re going to be selective in their politics, I won’t watch them. That show mirrors music over the last 4 decades. It used to be bands were saying “F*** YOU!” to the WHOLE system. Now, they are saying it to Republicans only. It rings hollow to see a band like Green Day take their multimillion dollar production on the road for a tour and then bash the Bush while raking in millions. Then know the younger people that buy their stuff won’t make the connection.

Metro on November 19, 2006 at 12:30 PM

that audience did not know whether to laugh or speed dial teh ACLU and CAIR

Defector01 on November 19, 2006 at 12:32 PM

The audience, like me, was stunned that Saturday Night Live made contact with reality and presented something that wasn’t just another interminably repetitive Bush-bash. Hence, the hesitation.

Kudos to them for something real and cogent.

And dead-on accurate.

drjohn on November 19, 2006 at 12:34 PM

Wow…two great clips from SNL so far this season. Looks like there’s finally someone on staff who’s not an idiot.

alflauren on November 19, 2006 at 1:31 PM

“The infidel’s name is Seth… Meyers?” [nods knowingly]

Jim Treacher on November 19, 2006 at 1:34 PM

5 years after 9/11, and after thousands of terror attacks by Muslims around the world, and some people are still squeamish about even identifying the enemy. God help us.

Halley on November 19, 2006 at 1:39 PM

All should read Martin Amis’s essay “Horrorism” to “get the joke”. He’s a securlar lefty, throws in some really way
out stuff on religion, but his basic premise is right on. Want to be really, real and scared? Check it would at The Observer, UK.

sharinlite on November 19, 2006 at 3:13 PM

Definitely wasn’t a Tina Fey written joke!

danarchy on November 19, 2006 at 3:17 PM

You don’t have to be a right-winger to understand that terrorism is bad for the image of Islam (you don’t need to watch Glenn Beck). The SNL writers knew that, and the irony is what made the audience give a delayed laugh (not because the audience is full of liberals and deep down they support terrorism).

This joke isn’t a rightwing or leftwing joke. Don’t try to turn it into something partisan.

Nonfactor on November 19, 2006 at 3:40 PM

While this thread is tipping dangerously into a gay-friendly “should I kiss another guy” thread, or is navel-gazing as to whether the audience in the clip hesitated to laugh….

I think that the joke was just plain funny. Great timing…SNL in the best tradition…going back about 25 or 30 years, to when they were last funny, but that kind of funny.

…after the punchline was screaming for a rimshot….

…the reporter says “Muslim leaders fear a backlash,” he immediately thinks, “Oh, Jesus, whhat did they blow up now?” — Sean M.

…this screams for one, as well…priceless….

Puritan1648 on November 19, 2006 at 4:18 PM

Ibraham Cooper of CAIR must have blown a brain aneurysm.

Valiant on November 19, 2006 at 7:00 AM

Haha, interesting thought… But I doubt the CAIR folks could stay mad, after all the work SNL has done for the far left.

I haven’t watched SNL since Moby Dick was a minnow…

And I agree, the long pause waiting for audience reaction was awkward, could be that the stage crew decide to help the audience make up their minds.

…and it was a funny line.

Zorro on November 19, 2006 at 7:11 AM

I wondered that too.

You don’t have to be a right-winger to understand that terrorism is bad for the image of Islam (you don’t need to watch Glenn Beck). The SNL writers knew that, and the irony is what made the audience give a delayed laugh (not because the audience is full of liberals and deep down they support terrorism).

This joke isn’t a rightwing or leftwing joke. Don’t try to turn it into something partisan.

Nonfactor on November 19, 2006 at 3:40 PM

Riiiiiiight.

RightWinged on November 19, 2006 at 4:26 PM

Ouabam, why did you have to open comments in this thread with talk of kissing guys? That has remained a topic flowing through here now and frankly, it’s disgusting. Let’s move on folks… Ouabam got it off his chest, let that be the end.

RightWinged on November 19, 2006 at 4:28 PM

Riiiiiiight.

RightWinged on November 19, 2006 at 4:26 PM

Yes, I know you don’t agree with me. You believe that a delayed laugh signifies that the liberal audience can’t take a joke at the expense of Islam (and some might say Christianity). Have you ever been to a comedy show? Delayed laughs happen all the time, not because people are uncomfortable, but because the funny part of the joke just hit them.

I’ll repeat, you don’t have to be on the right or left to understand the joke and laugh at it.

Nonfactor on November 19, 2006 at 4:33 PM

Yes, I agree, lefties are slow to ‘get it’.

Tony737 on November 19, 2006 at 4:55 PM

I thought that this clip showed a culturally pivotal moment, just as significant as when SNL turned on the media during the first Gulf War and broadcast a skit showing journalists as clueless buffoons during a briefing by the military about the reconquest of Kuwait. It punctures the politically correct multi-culti orthodoxy of the Left by pointing out the obvious: Islam soils itself with terror.

If SNL is smart, they will start mining the edgy humor that abounds in Islam’s war of terror, like appropriating the Islamic Rage Boy and making it a recurring skit, something like Eddie Murphy did with his convicted killer character.

We will know that they are striking home when CAIR sues them and jihadis try to kill the cast.

Tantor on November 19, 2006 at 5:15 PM

I’m going to look at this a little differently…

Now that the elections are over, and the Dems are in a position where they have to show some level of honest in-touch-ed-ness with reality, SNL is signaling that it is again okay to at least joke about the Muslim problem. Talking about it honestly might take a bit more of something. Think big, think ugly, think blaming Bush…

Remember that in “98” and there-abouts, even the Clintons had a small handhold on the “radical Islam baaaddd” train. It was only after Bush put the American Military to the task of bringing them down that the left got all hissy about it. Bush after all stole the election in 2000, and is worse than Hitler. So the Muslims are innocent by comparison, no matter how many Jihadis blow themselves up.

To sum this up, as the Dems spread their wings in government, it will likely become more acceptable to the SNL crew and their ilk to admit the reality of the Muslim problem. Albeit never approaching a level of “brutal honesty”. And, it might take a while for the audience at large (lefties) to catch on. Hence, the delay in the laughter.

If “08” goes badly for the Dems, BDS will return and completely blind the left again (Replace the B with and R to keep it generic).

RalphyBoy on November 19, 2006 at 5:40 PM

It appears that the audience is stunned. How could anyone possibly indict Muslims and Islam for being violent?

How dare they?

It is supposed to be a “hands off” issue. The real venom and discontent is leveled at Christians, George W. Bush, and Arab and Muslim apostates.

The audience’s reaction was, for me, a “Bill Maher” audience moment in which they wanted to applaud a trashing of Bush or conservatives, but realized that they couldn’t, because this wasn’t.

William

William2006 on November 19, 2006 at 6:19 PM

We will know that they are striking home when CAIR sues them and jihadis try to kill the cast.

Tantor on November 19, 2006 at 5:15 PM

An excellent point, “Tantor!”

I don’t expect that to happen, however.

Why?

Because if anyone attacks any of the cast or crew it is highly likely, based on past news reporting behavior and observing such by experience, they will start off by indicting conservatives – those evil, nasty, violent conservatives, or Christians, or Bush, or someone else.

Frankly, it would probably be a good thing if some of the cast were murdered as a result of that little quip, because it might open the eyes of the chronic deniers, but if it did occur, instead of blaming Muslims and expressing anger, the leftists would most likely blame the comic who delivered the lines, the writers who wrote the part, and SNL itself for being disrespectful to Islam and for causing this to happen, thus giving Islam a free pass once again and putting the blame on the victims.

Are we all Dihmmies yet?

William

William2006 on November 19, 2006 at 6:27 PM

Yes, I know you don’t agree with me. You believe that a delayed laugh signifies that the liberal audience can’t take a joke at the expense of Islam (and some might say Christianity). Have you ever been to a comedy show? Delayed laughs happen all the time, not because people are uncomfortable, but because the funny part of the joke just hit them.

I’ll repeat, you don’t have to be on the right or left to understand the joke and laugh at it.

Nonfactor on November 19, 2006 at 4:33 PM

All I’ll say is that this one is completely a matter of opinion. I analyze it one way, and I find your analysis ridiculous based on the history of SNL and it’s audiences. (see all other comments above). They eat up Bush bashing, even when it’s not remotely funny. It’s like Mahar, or the Daily Show, or Letterman, or the View. Sometimes they’ll respond to the applause sign, but it’s not the roaring cheers and laughter you hear when a blow is dealt to the Bush, whether it’s funny or not. So again, this is a difference of opinion, however I feel mine is grounded in the show and the audience’s history.

RightWinged on November 19, 2006 at 7:32 PM

Hey Tantor, I remember that skit! “So, general, can you tell us, what would be the best way for Saddam to win this war?” Over and over again, only reworded each time.

William is right, now that the dems are somewhat in power, it’s kind of ok to see the bad guys as the bad guys. If they win in ’08, watch how the media finally turns against our enemies.

Tony737 on November 19, 2006 at 7:41 PM

You all are reading too much into this.

The joke was about 1) How stupid it is to say that taking the “Christ” out of Christmas hurts Muslims 2) How terrorism is far worse for the image of Islam than de-Christianizing Christmas.

It’s not a conspiracy by SNL and it definitely isn’t a microcosm for how those on the left act towards Muslims, it was just a joke.

Nonfactor on November 19, 2006 at 7:46 PM

Damn, spam filter ate up another of my comments! Hopefully it appears shortly.

RightWinged on November 19, 2006 at 7:46 PM

You all are reading too much into this.

The joke was about 1) How stupid it is to say that taking the “Christ” out of Christmas hurts Muslims 2) How terrorism is far worse for the image of Islam than de-Christianizing Christmas.

It’s not a conspiracy by SNL and it definitely isn’t a microcosm for how those on the left act towards Muslims, it was just a joke.

Nonfactor on November 19, 2006 at 7:46 PM

Nonfactor, I responded to you a litle while ago, but apparently it got hung up in the spam filter. Long and short of it is you and I simply have different opinions about the audience reaction here, and I feel mine is based on history.

As for this latest comment, I suggest you do two things. Google and find that the story regarding Xmas in England is a real one, and two, read what we’re saying… We haven’t said it was a conspiracy by SNL. We simply stated the obvious that the far left audience that eats up the “jokes” (which usually aren’t even “jokes” or funny in any way, just Bush bashing that these audiences eat up) delivered by this far left show were uncomfortable laughing at a joke mocking (accurately) Islam.

Then I suggest I do one thing. Google/Yahoo your user name with hotair.com before I respond to you next time, so I don’t waste my time on a troll, simply because I was unaware that you were one.

RightWinged on November 19, 2006 at 7:53 PM

RightWinged, we have two different opinions. I’m pretty sure I’m not going to convince you otherwise, and you’re not going to convince me.

People have tried to find a deeper meaning behind what SNL was doing (they purposefully waited until the Democrats were in control to signal that it’s okay to joke about Muslims).

The audience laughed at the joke, but apparently that isn’t enough for you, you wanted them to laugh at the joke immediately, and because they didn’t it shows how the left is sympathetic towards terrorism or Muslims, give me a break.

Ignore what I’m saying if it will make you feel better, seriously.

Nonfactor on November 19, 2006 at 8:00 PM

RightWinged, we have two different opinions. I’m pretty sure I’m not going to convince you otherwise, and you’re not going to convince me.

People have tried to find a deeper meaning behind what SNL was doing (they purposefully waited until the Democrats were in control to signal that it’s okay to joke about Muslims).

The audience laughed at the joke, but apparently that isn’t enough for you, you wanted them to laugh at the joke immediately, and because they didn’t it shows how the left is sympathetic towards terrorism or Muslims, give me a break.

Ignore what I’m saying if it will make you feel better, seriously.

Nonfactor on November 19, 2006 at 8:00 PM

What do you trolls get out of it (being trolls)? I don’t get it. You try to act like you’re taking some high road with your “different opinions” opening paragraph, which is EXACTLY what I just said to you.

And while it wasn’t me, I agree with folks that SNL would have been reluctant to make this joke had they not had the breathing room of the Democratic victory in the elections. Again, it’s opinion, though mine is based on the history of SNL and their audiences, and by the clear reaction given. What is your argument for why they paused? It wasn’t a thinking joke, if they genuinely found it funny the laughter would have begun roaring before Meyers finished saying “terrorism”. So is your argument that this lefty filled audience are a bunch of idiots? And again, most of what you heard wasn’t even the forced laughter, it was the pity applause that follow chuckles when a joke bombs.

And then you want to tell me that I’m ignoring what you’re saying? You’re not saying anything! I’m kicking myself for dealing with you at all though because had I known you’re a troll I’d have ignored you from the start. You’ve already started the classic liberal move of throwing out “points”, having them knocked down, and then you just move on to other things to pretend it never happened, and it goes in circles. Do you liberals think we’ve never dealt with your kind before? You’re all the same.

As for accusing the left of being sympathetic to terrorist… That sounds like your guilty conscience bud, no one said anything of the sort.

RightWinged on November 19, 2006 at 8:31 PM

The joke is nobody watches SNL. Only snippets get out like this – which are free advertizing for a hopelessly lame program. Knock knock “Land shark.!” Oh! soo funny. ha … ha … guess you had to have been smoking something first.
Meanwhile, the huge thing this week at middle school?

“I’m soo super stoked. I’m serial!” and, “Tom come out of the closet!”

THe aging Left has no idea it’s already toast with the next generation.

naliaka on November 19, 2006 at 8:49 PM

The pause was just the audience waiting for the explosion.

Jim Treacher on November 19, 2006 at 9:15 PM

Its not the pause before the laughter,its the fact they laughed at all. It was like a little reality check.

sonnyspats1 on November 19, 2006 at 9:53 PM

Who wants to predict when SNL will offer a public apology for insulting Islam?

William

William2006 on November 19, 2006 at 10:20 PM

What do you trolls get out of it (being trolls)? I don’t get it. You try to act like you’re taking some high road with your “different opinions” opening paragraph, which is EXACTLY what I just said to you.

You’re mad that I’m taking the high road? You’d rather I take the low road?

Again, it’s opinion, though mine is based on the history of SNL and their audiences, and by the clear reaction given.

What evidence do you have that the writers at SNL only make jokes like this after a Democratic victory? You’re mistaking correlation for causation.

What is your argument for why they paused?

Because the joke was about religion and terrorism, and very blunt at that. Notice they still laughed, and then they laughed harder once it hit them. To me it didn’t sound like pity applause (but honestly who are either of us to say it was), it sounded like they were clapping because the joke was funny.

You still come off sounding a bit too bitter. You’re mad because they didn’t laugh hard at the beginning? Seriously?!

You say I don’t have a point, but I’ll state it again for you:

This joke was just a joke, it wasn’t partisan, and the audience paused before laughing heartily because they felt like it. You’re reading too much into it.

Clear enough?

Nonfactor on November 19, 2006 at 10:23 PM

Brevity is the soul of wit. Truth hurts.

California Conservative on November 19, 2006 at 10:27 PM

Anyone see the irony in that I’m trying to say that a joke is nonpartisan and I get accused of being a partisan?

It was a joke about how people think de-Christianizing Christmas is bad for the Muslim image when that’s the least of the Muslim’s problems.

Nothing partisan, so quit trying to read the tea leaves.

Nonfactor on November 19, 2006 at 10:27 PM

My comment about you attempting to take the high road, was regarding the fact that you were stating something as if I hadn’t just said it in the comment you were responding to.

and then they laughed harder once it hit them.

Reread my last comment. Why would it take any time to “hit them”… As I said, the punchline was apparent before he could finish the word “terrorism”.

And you keep making false accusations about what I’m implying… I’m not “mad” about how hard they laughed, and I never claimed the joke was partisan.

Who wants to predict when SNL will offer a public apology for insulting Islam?

William

William2006 on November 19, 2006 at 10:20 PM

While I wouldn’t be surprised to see this happen at all, I doubt it will in part because of a lack of attention paid, but mainly because they’re a liberal show. But rest assured if O’Reilly made the joke, media matters and Olberman would be all riled up.

RightWinged on November 19, 2006 at 10:37 PM

That was just beautiful!

I am pleasantly surprised, given the political leanings of the SNL writers in general, that they used such an item.

Speaking truth to humor!

Stefka on November 20, 2006 at 10:25 AM

Considering the general political tilt as SNL, I was pleasantly surprised to see this clip.

Speaking truth to humor!

(If I accidentally double-comment, I apologize, but I didn’t see my first comment go up. I’m one of those new commenters …)

Stefka on November 20, 2006 at 10:32 AM