I think they should take the Cops off campus. Let’s demonstrate what kind of anarchic world these morons would live in with out someone to protect them. Robbery, rape, these idiots just don’t get it.

Troy Rasmussen on November 18, 2006 at 3:42 PM

Let’s demonstrate what kind of anarchic world these morons would live in with out someone to protect them.

Actually, that’s not a bad idea. Pick one far-left college, remove all rules and security, and use it as an example of what anarchy would truly taste like. Let them get a good dose of what they wish for.

My only preference would be to choose a college with a high Islamic presence so that hopefully they can experience what would happen if we allowed followers of Islam to do as they please.

Michigan State University might be a good choice.

Gregor on November 18, 2006 at 3:50 PM

Uh, three protest babes, holding up their photocopied protest signs. The MSM loves it, because it’s babe-a-licious and the message helps the uber Left make their usual whines, but … reality?
The campus should come back and say, with a mournful shrug, “You’re absolutely right. We’ve instructed the campus police to shoot next time. Obviously, the tasars aren’t working.”

naliaka on November 18, 2006 at 3:59 PM

He’s already filed a mega-bucks lawsuit yesterday. I’m sure CAIR and the ACLU will be in full swing with him.

Entelechy on November 18, 2006 at 4:08 PM

Here’s a copy of the email I sent to MM when she posted this story:

Michelle,

Any bets on how many different congressional committees this clown will show up in front of come January? Thanks to the MSM, few citizens know the names of our Medal of Honor winners but I fear by the end of January this guy will be as “famous” as their beloved O.J. or Rodney King…

Zorro on November 18, 2006 at 4:26 PM

Spartacus Youth Club? Lol!

RightWinged on November 18, 2006 at 4:30 PM

I can only imagine what would happen to the gorgeous student on the left of the photo, in a world without cops or authority.

Gregor on November 18, 2006 at 4:33 PM

Oh man, I pasted the information in the “Spartacus Youth Club”’s 10 point plan from the link I provided because it’s a must read. What’s funny is you can actually see the commie newspaper under the commie chick’s arm, the Worker’s Vanguard.

RightWinged on November 18, 2006 at 4:37 PM

RightWinged,
Spartacus Youth Club”’s 10 point plan is a great example of leftesm, but how dose that apply here?
Hey here is a solution, How about the cops work for the folks that pay them, the student’s parents, instead of the other folks the student’s parents pay, the administration?
Troy,
They get it. But, there just isn’t much rape going on in the library. Actually has do cops even prevent rape and robbery? Isn’t it usually a concerned citizen that prevents that?
Just send all the Muslims to Gregors school.
Ropera,
You mean the LA gangs are worse than college students? Wow, that is a relief. To bad the cops aren’t tasering them. Oh that’s right; they don’t ask them for an ID.
Naliaka,
Good idea, shoot them for studying in the library after ten without an ID. Of course you might have a hard time finding folks to pay for that next year….
frankj,
No problem there, they do that already.
Zorro,
O.J. or Rodney King? Are you for real? Yea those guys deserved worse. Tell me this guy was fleeing across campus in acar, endangering lives and I am with you. Otherwise…studying in the library?

Rustyw on November 18, 2006 at 4:57 PM

Rusty,

I didn’t say that police prevent rape or robbery or anything else. The primary role of on campus police in this case is a deterent effect. If criminals knew that there was no type of law enforcement on this campus, they would have a field day! That is my point.

Troy Rasmussen on November 18, 2006 at 5:06 PM

RightWinged,
Spartacus Youth Club”’s 10 point plan is a great example of leftesm, but how dose that apply here?

I’m just informing the folks what this group is about, was that not clear? I mean obviously we could brush them off as usually nutty left college kid protestors. But they are an organized group of communists who essentially want to destroy America as it exists today.

And why are you questioning me for pasting their stated goals, when I see you followed up with the questionable move of posting a bunch of contact info?

RightWinged on November 18, 2006 at 5:10 PM

Nothing like naming a group after Spartacus to show what a bunch of milquetoast upper middle yuppy-brood leftos they really are.

Here’s what they’re motto should be:

“I know what real slavery is! I grew up in Brentwood!“

MoxArgon on November 18, 2006 at 5:12 PM

Rightwinged,

Yea, but they aren’t all Spartacus Youth Club members are they?

Rustyw on November 18, 2006 at 5:13 PM

How is that an argument? You questioned my mentioning of what the group was about (which was done to fully discredit those idiot girls)… YOU posted their contact info. If your point about them not all being part of that group was a valid one, why then did you post the contact info?

RightWinged on November 18, 2006 at 5:16 PM

Spartucus’s “10 point plan” ?

That’s so 1984 its not funny. What a bunch of hypocritical ignoratti.

Typical college students.

Good Lt on November 18, 2006 at 5:24 PM

I’m Spartucus and I DONT approve of their message

Defector01 on November 18, 2006 at 5:28 PM

I know from my college days that these cops follow schedule. We always knew when the cop was driving by.

And the truth comes out. Now we know what Rusty is all about. He spent his college days charting the cops drive-by schedules.

Troy - don’t even waste your time with Rusty. He’s not interested in what the facts are or what you might have really intended to say. He’s liberal, which means he makes up his own reality to fit his agenda.

Gregor on November 18, 2006 at 5:32 PM

Rusty,
The cops were protecting students in the library at a point in time were the rules state that all present must have some sort of university ID. This soon to be hero of the left defied the rule, defied campus security (Community Service Officers, CSOs), and defied the UCPD. My point referencing other heroes of the left being that the Maxine Waters of the world will declare racism, blame overzealous police motivated by the Patriot Act and then conduct “congressional hearings” ad nauseam. The old media will pick up on it and this guys name will be in lights. Young Mr. Mostafa will be glorified for his suffering at the hands of “racist” cops.

From MichelleMalkin.com:

CAIR: ISLAMIC LEADERS CALL FOR PROBE OF STUDENT TASERING

Southern California Islamic leaders are calling for an independent investigation into Tuesday night’s incident at the UCLA library where campus police apparently stunned a student with a “Taser” gun.
The Council on American-Islamic Relations urged “state and national authorities, including the FBI” to investigate the incident involving the 23-year-old Mostafa Tabatabainejad.

I for one would rather hear and read about our true heroes; those who have been awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor, not the miss-adventures of Mostafa Tabatabainejad.

Zorro on November 18, 2006 at 5:39 PM

Down with anti-Hispanic, anti-Arab, anti-Asian, anti-Semitic and all racist bigotry!

Irony!

SouthernGent on November 18, 2006 at 5:46 PM

Rusty says …

My point is that you are bringing real crimes into a situation that has what, a student studying after ten with out an ID? There is no crime other than the new resisting arrest charge.

Ignorant. Once again slanting the facts to fit your agenda.
The “crime” was not failing to produce an ID. For that, he was simply asked to leave the building. He was NOT tased for not producing an ID, which is a fact you’re well aware of but choose to ignore because it doesn’t support your argument.

The “crime” was resisting arrest, failing to follow instructions from a police officer, and disturbing the peace.

The only conclusion we can take from your argument is that you believe people should have the right to do whatever they please, and then tell the cops to shove it.

Gregor on November 18, 2006 at 5:51 PM

He pointed out a stupid rule.

Yeah, that’s it Rusty. That’s what he did. He raised his hand and said … “I’d like to suggest that this is a stupid rule.”

Exactly.

Gregor on November 18, 2006 at 5:53 PM

Observations:

* (point of style) All of the ten points of the Spartacus Clique ended with exclamation points. My kids used to end all their sentences with exclamation points, back when they were just out of diapers and began them all with “Daddy, I want a….”

* (point of style) The points were all rambling, rather unfocused, jumbled and full of boilerplat, buzzwords and jargon. They must not be English majors.

* (presentation) They might want to print their signs from now on, and print them oriented “landscape” and not “portrait”…their ideological hero’s last name is too long for “portrait”.

* (point of style) Bullet points 3, 4 and 9 begin with “for”, which make them squishy, while #2 begins with an explanatory sentence, followed by an historical absurdity. Bullet points should begin with verbs.

* (citizenship) Courtesy and commons sens dictate that using initial verbs like “down with”, “defeat” and “break” make you look cartoony in the most juvenile way.

* (engineering) “Mobilize” is good, but how do you mobilize students, who spend a good bit of their time drinking or supine after drinking? Electric motors?

* (cart before horse) Why do people who claim to be students spend so much time *LECTURING* others? Why waste so much of Daddy’s dough getting an education if you are qualified to lecture as soon as you draw a student ID?

* (public safety) Did the guy break the rules? If so, what are the police to do when someone breaks the rules? What if the rule is starting a fire in his dorm room?

* (lack of depth) Revolutions are messy, often bloody affairs, and these bullet points mention “revolution”, “counterrevolution” or “revolutionary” at least four times. They must not be history majors.

* (suicidal tendencies) Who’s going to pay for these nationalized universities, unionized foreigners, and all the other pie in the sky? Daddy, who’s probably forking over tens of thousands a year already on the educations these puppies are squandering?

…more later, after I can get my gorge back down.

*DIE ‘60′, DIE!*

Puritan1648 on November 18, 2006 at 5:54 PM

Gregor,
Thank you for an actual post. No, i disagree. The university can not make laws, therefor no law was broken A policy was broken.

The crime was supposedly broken was resisting arrest and he was charged for it. Of course there is a lot of evidence that says he didn’t. Hers is an excerpt from several of the papers;
Officers were escorting Tabatabainejad out of the computer lab when the trouble started, according to the Daily Bruin. One of the officers placed a hand on one of his arms, to which the student objected.
Regardless, I stand by my point that the charge is similar to Libby’s circumstance.

Rustyw on November 18, 2006 at 5:59 PM

Well, I got to go. have fun

Rustyw on November 18, 2006 at 6:08 PM

From Rustyw

However, why not ask to see an ID before you let them in? Is that too simple? Or is it better to catch someone with out an ID so that police force could be used? The university is at fault here. This is the stupidest rule I have ever seen. Yet everyone wants the guy shot. He pointed out a stupid rule. He got tasered. Shame on UCLA.

I do not want this twit shot. The taser treatment was enough for me. When a uniformed POLICE OFFICER requests your ID, he is empowered to do so. If you don’t like it, argue your case in front of a judge. This out of control poop for brains decided to pitch a fit, only this time it he got zapped.

As for details leading up to the event, again I reference Michelle’s webpage.

Update: 8:37am…reader Andrew K. writes in:

First and foremost, I wish to clarify that, regardless of what some might attempt to claim, it is absurd to believe that Mr. Tabatabainejad was targeted based on his race or ethnicity. Random ID card checks are standard procedure in Powell Library after 11 PM, to ensure the safety of students. Furthermore, these checks were performed by Community Service Officers (CSOs), not UCPD officers. CSOs are UCLA students hired by UCPD to aide in security and service activities, and to support UCPD. Thus, Mr. Tabatabainejad was the subject of a very ordinary, very standard ID card check by his own, fellow students. He failed to produce an ID, so the CSOs requested he leave (as they would of anyone without an ID). Of course, the situation deteriorated from there and the chain of events from there is detailed (albeit in a rather biased manner) by the Daily Bruin.

Zorro on November 18, 2006 at 6:16 PM

RightWinged,

You know as long as he gets to change the library rules, make up the fact that Mustafa was walking out peacefully until his arm was touched, use the fact that not all students belong to the Young Communists for Spartacus as somehow making his point, and falsely claiming that people are calling him names instead of disputing his lunacy, then Rusty is almost right.

RW_theoriginal on November 18, 2006 at 6:44 PM

Rusty,

Thank you for proving my point. It’s exactly what I said. I wrote …

The “crime” was not failing to produce an ID

…

The “crime” was resisting arrest, failing to follow instructions from a police officer, and disturbing the peace.

Notice the word “not” which indicated that it was NOT a crime.

Then you wrote …

No, i disagree. The university can not make laws, therefor no law was broken A policy was broken.

Again …

Exactly what I said.

Maybe you should have studied a little harder in school instead of spending your time avoiding the cops, huh?

Gregor on November 18, 2006 at 6:58 PM

I have seen the Spartacus Club signs at the anti-war marches in Washington, DC along with all the other Communist banners you never see in the media. They are not a local group. They’re national, at the least.

Tantor on November 18, 2006 at 8:02 PM

I’m, Spartacus! He’s Spartacus too! ::points at Ian::

>—=====::])>

Those dweebs should be forced to read Anthem, We the Living, and Atlas Shrugged. I’m no acolyte of Ms. Rand, but nobody ever shined a clearer light on the filth that is communism.

Freelancer on November 18, 2006 at 8:16 PM

So, trespassing isn’t a crime anymore? Wow, didn’t know that, I guess I gotta go make some more late-night visits.

I don’t know that Rusty is a “LLL,” but I certainly see how someone would think that - the ever-changing arguments, the resistance to facts, the announcement of departure every time it becomes obvious that they’ve talked themselves into a corner…

What were these officers supposed to do that would not have resulted in mass criticism by the audience the instigator was obviously aiming for? Can anyone think of anything?

Holding a protest against the arrest of a trespasser who resisted arrest as part of an obvious publicity stunt and attempt to create grounds for a lawsuit is so abysmally stupid that it is almost beyond contempt.

There are real oppressive societies in this world, but I guess protesting them might involve some risk greater than a hangnail, so you won’t see any of these kids doing that.

These people have turned having a screaming fit because your parents insist that you take a bath when you’re dirty into a political philosophy.

Merovign on November 18, 2006 at 10:41 PM

Hey, what kind of asshat lefty protest is this? Only one compassionate head tilt? Slackers.

Laura on November 18, 2006 at 11:00 PM

What were these officers supposed to do that would not have resulted in mass criticism by the audience the instigator was obviously aiming for? Can anyone think of anything?

How about being carried out with an officer underneath each arm, or any of the dozens of methods used by law enforcement (eg. applying pressure to the bridge of the nose prior to the introduction of the taser?

This is not a left or right issue. Tasers and stun guns have been linked to 78 deaths in North America between 2000 and 2004, with 11 deaths in CA alone.

The fact that Tabatabainejad was merely issued with a citation for the obstruction/delay of a police officer and immediately released indicates that the amount of force applied, which may have resulted in death or permanent injury, was excessive and disproportionate in a non-violent, non-threatening situation.

MKR on November 18, 2006 at 11:48 PM

Evidently, Mustafa is worried about his “credibility.” One source reports that he changed the profile on his Facebook page to reflect the kinder-gentler side of Tabatabainejad.

We’ve got more coverage.

California Conservative on November 18, 2006 at 11:58 PM

This is so absolutely ridiculous. My husb is friends with a bunch of cops who all come in his store, so he asked one of them about being tased. He was told taser strength can be controlled, and without getting too technical, if they had tased him full blast, the kid would not have been screaming “Here’s your Patriot Act!” at the top of his lungs, he would have been temporarily disabled. And it’s not the cops responsibiity to explain to the crowd what they are doing or why, it is their responsibility to keep order. It’s also not the cops responsibility to wrestle with the little brat and risk being bitten, spat upon, or otherwise receiving his bodily fluids. This kid was sporting for a fight, the cops were just trying to get him under control. If he had shut his mouth, or left, or showed them his id (gee, there were a lot of things the little brat could have done) he wouldn’t have been tased. I am so glad I do not have to live in LA. Geez.

JustTruth101 on November 19, 2006 at 12:07 AM

This is so absolutely ridiculous. My husb is friends with a bunch of cops who all come in his store, so he asked one of them about being tased. He was told taser strength can be controlled, and without getting too technical, if they had tased him full blast, the kid would not have been screaming “Here’s your Patriot Act!” at the top of his lungs, he would have been temporarily disabled.

Now that you are a technical expert on the design and operation of tasers and stun guys, rewatch the video and check if Tabatabainejad was in the process of being stunned while yelling “Here’s your patriot act, here’s your abuse of power.” (Here’s a hint: He’s not).

Your average 15 year old Jackass enthusiast has a better understanding of the operation of tasers and stun guns than you do.

MKR on November 19, 2006 at 12:19 AM

MKR is a typical liberal who is unable to engage in substantivie intellectual debate. He attacks other opinions, without understanding them, because he is so unoriginal. But you see, without any analytical reasoning skills, that is what he has to do, because he has no ideas of his own. Look at his posts here, every one is in response to someone else’s. He can only argue against something someone else said, instead of coming up with an original thought, or looking into an issue to get his own facts. He’s even incapable of considering an expert’s opinion because he is so intellectually inferior. Cops are experts in tasers, MKR, I never wrote I was an expert. You are the jackass. Maybe someday you’ll come up with an opinion of your own. Until then, waa, waa, waa. Poor MKR.

P.S. My troll policy is that I only reply once, so post away, MKR. No one pays attention to fools, but if it makes you feel better, feel free to enlighten us with your brilliance.

JustTruth101 on November 19, 2006 at 12:37 AM

Ordinary citizens.
Second amendment.
BE one with the concept.

bbz123 on November 19, 2006 at 12:43 AM

Observations:

* (point of style) All of the ten points of the Spartacus Clique ended with exclamation points. My kids used to end all their sentences with exclamation points, back when they were just out of diapers and began them all with “Daddy, I want a….”

* (point of style) The points were all rambling, rather unfocused, jumbled and full of boilerplat, buzzwords and jargon. They must not be English majors.

* (presentation) They might want to print their signs from now on, and print them oriented “landscape” and not “portrait”…their ideological hero’s last name is too long for “portrait”.

* (point of style) Bullet points 3, 4 and 9 begin with “for”, which make them squishy, while #2 begins with an explanatory sentence, followed by an historical absurdity. Bullet points should begin with verbs.

* (citizenship) Courtesy and commons sens dictate that using initial verbs like “down with”, “defeat” and “break” make you look cartoony in the most juvenile way.

* (engineering) “Mobilize” is good, but how do you mobilize students, who spend a good bit of their time drinking or supine after drinking? Electric motors?

* (cart before horse) Why do people who claim to be students spend so much time *LECTURING* others? Why waste so much of Daddy’s dough getting an education if you are qualified to lecture as soon as you draw a student ID?

* (public safety) Did the guy break the rules? If so, what are the police to do when someone breaks the rules? What if the rule is starting a fire in his dorm room?

* (lack of depth) Revolutions are messy, often bloody affairs, and these bullet points mention “revolution”, “counterrevolution” or “revolutionary” at least four times. They must not be history majors.

* (suicidal tendencies) Who’s going to pay for these nationalized universities, unionized foreigners, and all the other pie in the sky? Daddy, who’s probably forking over tens of thousands a year already on the educations these puppies are squandering?

…more later, after I can get my gorge back down.

*DIE ‘60′, DIE!*

Puritan1648 on November 18, 2006 at 5:54 PM

Of my top ten favorite ‘posters’ here at HA, you’re #2. I am, of course in love with myself (for no good reason) and retain the #1 position.

I’m guessing it won’t be long before you outshine even my own deluded brilliance. And then my good Sir, I shall be sad.

But at least I’ll be #2

*blinks*

/just some fun

Ugly on November 19, 2006 at 12:45 AM

I don’t get it MKR. What’s the point? The man refused to leave, and then told the cops not to touch him, so you’re upset that they then had the nerve to actually TOUCH HIM?

Incorrect.

Read my statement and the post I was referring to. The fact that Tabatabainejad is clearly protesting being handled by police would seem to indicate that they were attempting to escort him from the premises before they stunned him, no?

So … the cops were excessive because he clearly instructed them not to touch him, and they did it anyway … but your solution to that would have been to carry him out, or to “apply pressure to the bridge of the nose prior to tasering?”

How do you do all that without touching him?

I imagine it would be quite difficult to do so, but I have not stated anything resembling the conclusion you’ve jumped to so I won’t try too hard looking for an answer.

Besides … maybe you didn’t watch the video close enough to notice that the officers were attempting to carry him out throughout the entire length of the video.

No, two of the five cops on the scene attempted to frog march (quite different to carrying, mind you) a handcuffed young man and applied a taser to him when he would not move at his own will.

The use of a taser or stun gun, despite the Taser International marketing tag of “non-lethal” force (in the absence of any real scientific data), in a non-violent and non-threatening situation is an excessive and disproportionate response no matter which way you want to spin it.

MKR on November 19, 2006 at 1:18 AM

The use of a taser or stun gun, despite the Taser International marketing tag of “non-lethal” force (in the absence of any real scientific data), in a non-violent and non-threatening situation is an excessive and disproportionate response no matter which way you want to spin it.

MKR on November 19, 2006 at 1:18 AM

Pfft.

I dunno, MKR… but I think you stuck your neck out with this quote.

Ugly on November 19, 2006 at 1:27 AM

(in the absence of any real scientific data)

MKR on November 19, 2006 at 1:18 AM

Well… there ARE deaths related to stun guns… but try and find an innocent one amongst the bunch… 167, so far.

Ugly on November 19, 2006 at 1:38 AM

Face it. The only way this can be avoided is for the cops to simply fold their arms and let the child do whatever he wants. Of course, when the same guy pulls out a gun and starts firing … then the same people file the lawsuits claiming the cops didn’t do their job in protecting the students.

Gregor on November 19, 2006 at 1:46 AM

Why do I feel like I keep interrupting a private conversation?

lol

Gregor, you feel the same as the majority of viewers.. the punk got what he wanted.

Ugly on November 19, 2006 at 1:51 AM

So, your answer - as I pointed to last post - is that they should have actually used “physical violence” against him instead of simply stunning him. In your words … “by applying pressure to the bridge of the nose.”

“Physical violence” are your words. I would probably describe it as physical co-ertion, but you are essentially correct. Another method would be over-extension of the wrist.

What’s noteworthy here is that there aren’t a great deal of cases that are immediately searchable where applying pressure to the nose or wrist has caused ventricular fibrillation and cardiac arrest resulting in death or permanent injury.

I’m sure that would have worked great, being that he continued to ignore the taser. So when he falls on the ground yelling and screaming for his mommy after you “apply pressure to the bridge of the nose” and video cameras all catch the officer doing this … what then?

Considering the guy was handcuffed and that there were five police officers present, the next logical step would have been to carry him out the door instead of frog marching him.

It’s a fairly simple concept, and it’s precisely how law enforcement has dealt with issues of this nature prior to the introduction of the Taser, which is now used in disproportionate response due to laziness and savvy marketing that understates the lethality of the weapon.

You said it. I didn’t.

Not sure what point you’re trying to make here, but you seem to have approached this debate with the pre-conceived notion that I am against physical co-ertion as a method of gaining compliance, which is incorrect.

MKR on November 19, 2006 at 2:08 AM

MKR: didja READ the link? Interested in checking the facts? HMMMM??

Ugly on November 19, 2006 at 2:28 AM

Face it. The only way this can be avoided is for the cops to simply fold their arms and let the child do whatever he wants.

I think you’ve inadvertently hit the nail on the head…

Eye-witness reports (and yes, these may be incorrect) also state that Tabatabainejad was attempting to leave when UCPD officers approached him and grabbed him by the arm.

Given that the objective was to remove the person from the building and that the actual onsite presence of UCPD officers had encouraged the person to leave without the use of physical co-ertion, maybe they really should have just folded their arms and let him go.

MKR on November 19, 2006 at 2:42 AM

I am ashamed to be from socal…

x95b10 on November 19, 2006 at 2:52 AM

[sigh] My troll policy is that I will not engage in idiotic debate over matters of no consequence. It’s not to duck and cover, it’s that my time is too valuable to spend on foolishness.

However, since you asked an interesting question, I’ll answer it because that does not vioalte the spirit of my policy.

My original post didn’t get into all the technicalities of aftereffects, which as explained to me, would render the tased individual with significantly reduced physical capabilities such that if the taser was on full strength, the student would have not had the capacity to continue to struggle as vehemently as could be heard in the video against the officers’ attempt to restain him, rendering him without the energy to scream at the top of his lungs for several minutes after the tasing, with full recovery from the muscular incapacitation taking several minutes. Furthermore, if he had been hit full blast, his recovery would have been slower and more gradual. In other words, he could have gotten himself all riled back up into his excited state eventually, but he would not have been able to maintain his level of struggle and vocalization while being tased, and immediately following being tased, if the tase was at full blast.

Now let’s see if it was worth the time to post. I’ll have to check back tomorrow, I’m sure I’ll be amused by MKR’s response.

JustTruth101 on November 19, 2006 at 2:59 AM

The very same people that are stretching the bounds of credulity (MKR & RandyW) to claim he was peacefully walking out and the cops tried to arm tackle him

Were you present during the incident?

Do you know anything about the incident that was not present in either the video or The Daily Bruin article describing him as leaving the premises when the police arrive? http://dailybruin.com/news/articles.asp?id=38960

I don’t.

Perhaps you’d like to point me in the direction of any evidence refuting the report.

MKR on November 19, 2006 at 3:13 AM

MKR,
I simply posited a hypothetical, your overreaction pretty well proves my point.

RW_theoriginal on November 19, 2006 at 3:22 AM

Yes I did read the link.

What is your point?

MKR on November 19, 2006 at 3:07 AM

Point?

No point. You draw from it what you will.

I’ll assume you read all 167 case synopsis…

That it means nada to you is neither here nor there. You go on with your opinion, that’s fine; but remember the name Mostafa Tabatabainejad in mind for future reference.

Ugly on November 19, 2006 at 3:31 AM

I’ll assume you read all 167 case synopsis…

That it means nada to you is neither here nor there. You go on with your opinion, that’s fine; but remember the name Mostafa Tabatabainejad in mind for future reference.

I’m having great difficulty determining what message you are attempting to deliver to me and why I should keep the name Mostafa Tabatabainejad in mind for future reference.

The very article you have linked supports the assertion I made previously that tasers have been linked to deaths.

Did you read all of the synopses?

How about this one ….

Turner was loitering outside of a Toledo museum when Toledo Police officers approached him and asked for identification. Officers said Turner resisted when they attempted to search him. During a struggle he was shocked repeatedly with a Taser. Once placed in custody, he was taken to the Lucas County Corrections Center. At the center, sheriff’s deputies said he became combative. They went into his cell and used a Taser multiple times to subdue him. Turner died. Taser use has been suspended inside the jail. The Lucas County Coroner ruled that the Taser use contributed to Turner’s death, and classified the case as a homicide. Turner had been stunned with a Taser a total of nine times. The coroner also reported that Turner’s own cardiac condition was the main cause of his death.

…. or this one ….

Hasse was shocked by police during a confrontation at a Chicago apartment. He had been visiting friends, who asked him to leave when he started acting strange and lost control of himself. Chicago police reported that he tried to kick and bite an officer and threatened to infect officers with HIV. After warning Hasse to calm down, a police sergeant shocked him with a Taser. Hasse was a former Chicago securities trader who was supposed to go on trial in June for burying a body on an Indiana farm. A medical examiner said that Taser was the primary cause of death. He said drugs contributed to Hasse’s death, but ruled that shocks from the Taser “pushed him over the edge,” causing cardiac arrest.

Some don’t even have explanations!

Columbia County Sheriff’s deputies were attempting to take Woolfolk, who had a history of mental problems, into custody for a court-ordered psychiatric evaluation. Deputies say he resisted arrest and refused to follow commands. They shocked him and Woolfolk allegedly attempted to pull out the Taser prongs. Deputies took him to the ground and placed him in handcuffs. He stopped moving, was taken to a hospital and pronounced dead.

Wathan’s father called deputies to his Delhi home to help control his son, who he reported was a longtime drug and alcohol abuser. Deputies discovered Wathan had outstanding warrants on narcotics charges and attempted to arrest him. Wathan struggled and deputies hit him with batons and sprayed him with pepper spray. A Livingston police officer also came to the scene and shocked Wathan with a Taser. He lost consciousness and died at the scene.

Barber was accused of assaulting a retired sheriff’s deputy at a campsite. He reportedly attacked deputies responding to the call, who used a Taser to subdue him. Barber was taken to jail. Three days he was found dead in his jail cell. Deputies originally thought he was asleep.

Officers were called to a bar on complaints that a patron had become violent. Geldart, who was reportedly 6-foot-6 and 300 pounds, confronted police who shocked him with a Taser. He slumped to the floor unconscious. An ambulance was called and Geldart was pronounced dead upon arrival at the hospital. Geldart was a patient at a local psychiatric hospital and apparently walked away earlier in the day during a cigarette break.

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MKR on November 19, 2006 at 4:17 AM