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Grebrook the troll longs for the days when his opinion mattered. And when we gave a damn.

Puritan1648 on November 19, 2006 at 3:24 PM

Yeah, I definitely get your meaning. But you know, I still believe those of us in “fly-over country” have the last word and really are the final authority. The Nuts on the left (and right) always move to the middle once in office. They have no choice. Why do you think that is? I believe it’s because the middle is the majority, and majority still rules in this country. I won’t argue that the fringes will try to push their agenda’s (Hillarycare, etc…), but those dreams are dashed once their power is threatened. By the way (just an aside) why do you respond to that jerk? He’s just baiting you and as soon as you nail him he’ll change the subject because he has no ‘leg to stand on’. It’s so not worth wasting any time over.

It’s the only drum he really likes to beat, so yeah, I guess he does believe immigrants are ’sheeple.’

Interesting, though, that Grebrook’s belief in long-term Democratic dominance is not based in policy ideas or that party’s ability to attract voters with compelling arguments. No, it’s all based in his belief that the Democrats will “ram an amnesty bill down our throats” (his words, not mine) and start registering all the new Americans as voters.

Grebrook longs for the days of Tammany Hall, it seems.

Listening to Led Zeppelin I in headphones will enhance your ability to comprehend this thread.

infidel4life on November 18, 2006 at 11:56 PM

Clue: The Nutroots are Dazed and Confused.

infidel4life on November 19, 2006 at 12:05 AM

Been dazed and confused for so long it’s not true.
Wanted a woman, never bargained for you.
Lots of people talk and few of them know,
soul of a woman was created below.

It’s best if you’re buzzing on Colombian gold …

…Bush and his Congressional allies had simply lost the capacity to fix their own mistakes. More interested in being right than in being reasonable, they seemed unable to respond to a range of emerging threats, from a hurricane on the gulf coast to an underground explosion on the Korean Peninsula.

This from the NYSlimes.First, he really does try to blame Pres Bush for the Hurricane Katrina and NOKO’s nuclear bomb experiment/test. Second, is he and the Times so absolutely dense/stupid that they put a weather phenomena above the WAR ON TERROR WORLDWIDE when mentioning “emerging threats”?
Unable to respond? I really thought the article was about to define the Dems but it was a Kerry’d (botched) statement about looking in the mirror. The Times and the left and the Dems are the kings of non-responders.
It goes on…’More interested in being right than in being reasonable‘ …if that doesn’t describe the Dems in office, I dont know what does.
IF the country actually reads enough of this, and is aware enough to SEE it for what it is, the nutroots will destroy all hope of a useful Dem governing body.

…while Democrats buff up their ranks with 20 million new voters, we own this country for 20 years

I like those odds.

Grebrook on November 19, 2006 at 2:29 AM

One of the most demeaning statements about immigrants. You must really believe that we (all immigrants) are lemmings or sheep.

Totalitarian on abortion, the border, the War, taxation, social issues, all with good reasons…any compromise being weakness.

This coming from a conservative, when conservatives have spent the last six months threatening to leave the GOP because they didn’t deport illegal immigrants or ban all forms of abortion? Yeah, you’ve got a lot of room to talk there, tough guy. In fact, weren’t you one of the fanatics doing exactly that, on this blog, along with Allah and 90% of the posters here? “We’re done with the GOP! They want amnesty! It’s third party time!”

Pot, meet kettle. “How do you do?” “Fine, sir.”

Their single common bond (a raging hatred of George Bush) quickly turns to dust when confronted with the real issues this country – and this Congress – actually face. — thedecider

I don’t think that BDS will die, or “turn to dust” with the end of the Bush Administration. The folks the Kos-ites, the MoveON-ites and others in the nutroots nation are so deranged about aren’t Mr. Bush and his merry band of career apparachniks…it’s *US*.

The entity that these Lefty’s hate — and I do mean *HATE* — is any “discouraging word”. They own the moral high ground, by gum, and anyone who points out that the Emperor — them — is nekkid is a heretic, and shall be burned.

Look at that poxy program put forth by the “Spartacus Youth Club/League/Clique/Gaggle” in the “reaction to the tazering on UCLA” thread. Tone it down a turn, take out some of the “pet issues”, and it’s a photo-negative of what the folks out here in “fly-over country” believe…and its those “rubes”, “hayseeds” and “peasants” (and I don’t mean this in a good, proletarian way) that these jerks in the nutroots movement despise.

The nutroots denizens think in imperatives. They may not write and each sentence with an exclamation point, as if to say “NOW!”, but they mean just that. They’ve got their foot in the door, they feel, although the nutroots contributed little besides some money to the last election…and, had they been more organized and more able to communicate, so’s the electorate might’ve had a better idea of what and whom they support, they’d've more than neutralized any contributions they’d made.

The nutroots will thwart and trip up — not just try to thwart and trip up — the Democratic establishment because even the most Lefty of them will show their American face to the Left…and America is the enemy. It’s one thing to mouth constitutional priciples in an election year, it’s another to try to abide by them. The nutroots guys want nothing to do with the Constitution, I believe. They want it all their way, now, and you’d better be quick about it.

These folks are totalitarians, and they won’t get what they want now from the Democrats, and that will be the ruin of the party: their party wants its agenda now or heads will roll.

…mind you, many on the Right are just the same way. No compromises. Totalitarian on abortion, the border, the War, taxation, social issues, all with good reasons…any compromise being weakness.

Ideological purity is for angels, not mere men.

I don’t see such new alignments.

“archaic divisions between hawks and doves”? There may be a few greybeards in attendance, but the efforts to drive the military from America’s colleges – and now high schools – are being led by quite youngish folk.

“racial subtext”? The last time I saw a black person say that racism was worse now than in the ’50’s because it’s hidden – that person was well south of 40.

And there are tons of college age people whose main issue is “a woman’s right to obtain health care”.

Who is this “rest of the country struggl(ing) mightily with the emerging economic and international threats” in this “dynamic and challenging 21st century”? Is he refering to the fact that it is impossible to rule out a strong Gore candidacy in ‘08 to save the world from its real enemy – global warming?

One of the big differences today is that the struggles of the late 60’s involved trying to make the American Dream open to all. Now – by what seems a politial “critical mass” of people – the American Dream is argued to be a useless lie, and that we need to move immediately in the direction of pacifist, socialist (and soon to tumble into the dustbin of history) Europe.

To me, it doesn’t look like the nutrooting of the Dems is necessarily “good news for us”. Allegely a third of the population believes the Government had something to do with 9/11. And many of those Truthers vote.

If the Ship of State starts sinking from neglect, sabotage or outright attack, just because there are some adults around doesn’t mean there will be enough of them to keep things afloat, or even that they will be called upon to do so.

Now this is putting the argument somewhat in the extreme, but you get my drift.

…while Democrats are refueled by 20 million new voters…

Simple addition is a fine tool, of course, but only when used thoughtfully. Its pervasive problem is that it requires immense simplification. For one thing, it requires interchangeable units, which are not always available. In the present case, one sees immediately that Mexicans are not “fuel,” and not interchangeable with American Democrats (or Republicans). Individually, they are people, with minds of their own. They are also Mexicans, and it’s best to inquire and consider carefully whatever that may mean. Just to get one started, consider: Are Mexicans more famous for their environmentalism or their feminism?

Another way in which simple addition invites forgetfulness is through its requirement that its units be static. Yet I can’t imagine that so large a change as the addition of “20 million” Mexican voters to the rolls will be simply without consequences among the 100-200 million Americans already on the rolls.

To give just one example, I’m reminded how threatened one of my black coworkers seemed to feel when she first learned, two years ago, that hispanics had overtaken blacks as the largest American racial minority. She acted as if some birthright had been taken away from her. One ought to be careful not to treat my black coworker as an interchangeable or static unit; she’s a real person with real feelings. I don’t know how she’ll take the news of “amnesty” for “20 million” Mexican immigrants; it’ll be interesting to see.

If you want to use California as a litmus test, then the trend is away from both parties. Most new voters are registering independent.

The Republican party faces the problem of its most loyal, dogmatic “vote for anything with an R next to the name” voting block is going to die soon. Their children and younger conservatives foolishly believe that the Republican party should actually stand for small government, fiscal responsibility, and national interests first. *gasps*. So the Hispanic strategy is what they are trying and pissing of their real future voting block. The schism is being fueld by the ol’d boys club trying to stay in power.

The Democrats are trying to push amnesty and again courting the Hispanic strategy, alienating a great many Democratic voters. They have to contend with freshman Democrats that were elected via Republican dissatisfaction and ran on conservative issues. Their schism is from the bottom up, how do they appease their major contributors and primary voters while holding onto power?

The politcal realignment will be the uber liberals losing power and the RINO’s being cast down. If the old ideologues try and stay in power we could see more than one minority party putting both parties centrist votes in major jeopardy. I doubt the Libertarians will capitalize, althogh they are getting more press than ever, they just whine way too much. So to the exit question I have no idea.

A Republican going independent over immigration could be a ralliny cry. I know he would get some of my money instantly.

*Shrug*

Democrats want our cooperation, they’ll give the president’s judicial nominees an up-or-down vote.

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell at the Federalist Society.

Between the nutroots and the Republicans, the Democratic Party’s time in control of the Senate will be short. The nutroots and the leftwing lobbying groups (PFAW, NARAL, etc.) will, no doubt, demand that conservative judges be blocked. And McConnell will pull the trigger on everything else.

As the proverb says: “Be careful what you wish for, because you might get it!”

I stopped reading your “message” at this point.

Now be a good little troll and find a bridge to live under.

The fact is, the ‘nutroots’ are the “Brownshirt Party’s” backbone.

Comparing your opponents to Nazis and Fascists is a sign of a weak mind. Sorry, but you really are pathetic if that’s all you can come up with.

Keep dreaming. Democrats won and we will govern effectively by bending Bush to compromise on anything we want so long as we hold the power to include our demands in military spending bills that he doesn’t dare veto.

There will be nothing left of your party going into 2008 because of all of the idiots whining about immigration jumping ship when Bush gives out amnesty.

Obama does not have what it takes (nor the will) to start another party as the last note suggests. I can see Steele forming such a party (left in the cold). Consider other black “reasonables” like Lynn Swan and influentials like Russel Simmons. In such a party Liberman and Swartzenegger, even Guiliani would add a lot of potential.

Potential is the word for it. When, why, how did the Republicans became a “conservative party” (Democrats/MSM definition of course)? I don’t know that means anymore.

I do not like that we have a $7 Trillion debt (like having an income of $100k and $700K on credit). I do not like having a trade deficit with countries that get away with restricting our imports. I do not like buying mid-east oil (given the givens) when we have enough corn and coal of our own. I do not like that our “friends” oppose our GM food for Africa, in order to preserve their economies, and hurt our image. I think we have enough immigrants from Mexico. I prefer to be taxed when I spend my money, not when I earn it. I don’t think houses that cost $100K to build should be flipped for $300K so factories close down and outsource to India.

Am I a Libertarian? Should I become an Independent?

These are questions that we must ask. Otherwise we risk becoming vicious partisans like the Democrats. Abortion? Stem Cells? Kyoto? No brainers – for communicators.

The writer might be dumber that Grebrook.

The topic is how the nutroots are going to undermine the ability of the Democrats to govern by their payback demands and demands of ideological purity, not how the Republican party is might implode over minimum wage and other issues.

The fact is, the ‘nutroots’ are the “Brownshirt Party’s” backbone. And they are going to be upset when they don’t get their way.

The centrist “wiser heads” of the party will not be able to constrain them, because the nutroots now feel “entitled” to control the direction of the party, even though they really didn’t earn it.

All of us just lived through an election where the winners lied their way into power. They lied about the war, the economy, the unemployment, taxation, gun control. You name it, the Democrats lied about it, and the chief liars have been the trolls like Grebrook at DU and DKOS and their allies in the media.

Now that they won, they face the problem of governing, and the nutroot contingent will prevent that from happening.

No amount of spin from the trolls (like Grebrook) posting here will change this, because the nature of brownshirts brooks no compromise.

It was not until after Allen was already deeply mired in MacacaGate that Dick Wadhams began asking around for a Virginia blogger, eventually hiring Henke. But hiring one “official blogger” is not the be-all-end-all of engaging the blogosphere….