Orson Scott Card, Democrat, on the election: “America just lost”

posted at 10:36 am on November 17, 2006 by Allahpundit

He says it’s time to topple Assad. And also that Republicans should control more media.

How red would you like your meat? Rare? Or tartare?


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If they’re really serious about becoming the majority party, what rich Republicans need to do is stop paying for thousand-dollar-a-plate fundraising dinners and start buying up newspapers and networks.

Hear, hear!

RushBaby on November 17, 2006 at 10:38 AM

I like my red meat raw and preferably still moving.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on November 17, 2006 at 10:43 AM

Where was all this read meat for the past 4 years?

lorien1973 on November 17, 2006 at 10:43 AM

Where was this guy a month ago? Are we doing everything on some Venutian calendar? Everything is a month (or a day) late.

shooter on November 17, 2006 at 10:44 AM

Topple Assad? Do we have to?

Theworldisnotenough on November 17, 2006 at 10:48 AM

Fantastic writer though…odd that he considers himself a Democrat. He’s got this book “A Planet Called Treason”…a weird one, but great.

StoutRepublican on November 17, 2006 at 10:49 AM

Just googled “Orson Scott Card” and randomly clicked one of his essays at ornery.org. Here’s an excerpt:

So Bush’s new additions to Medicare are expensive … but they’re also voluntary. This is the great secret of his view of government. When Bush talks about an “ownership society” he means it. Yes, the government will help; but the goal is to help people own things — houses, their own pension funds — and make their own choices, without government dictating to them.

Bush wants to shrink government, not by limiting the supply of money — he borrows to make up the deficits — but by seeking to shrink the demand for government services.

To President Bush, if you want to cut down on oil use, you don’t make gasoline more expensive by raising taxes on it, you make alternatives cheaper and more widely available, so that the demand for gas goes down.

Instead of increasing welfare, you cut taxes to strengthen the economy — which will grow new jobs quite naturally. Real jobs, that produce goods and services that people actually want.

In short, President Bush is a visionary, even a revolutionary; he is also a superb manager who does not waste his time trying to micromanage everything himself. He delegates; he campaigns for his programs; he gets out when a boat doesn’t float, but he doesn’t scuttle it, he repairs it and tries again.

WE MUST FISK HIM INTO OBLIVION! HE IS A MUTANT ALIEN LIFE FORM! (Dem with a heart and a brain).

RushBaby on November 17, 2006 at 10:57 AM

Card is absolutely correct.

He’s been solidly and forthrightly against his own party for several years now, in the aftermath of 9/11/01, over their behavior over the war.

During the 2004 campaign, he wrote this concerning the war and his party:

Now, as a Democrat, what can I say to that except that, because my party has been taken over by an astonishingly self-destructive bunch of lunatics who are so dazzled by Hollywood that they think their ideas make sense, I have to agree that right now, any President but Bush and any Congress but a Republican-dominated one would be disastrous.

As a Democrat, I would hope that a solid trouncing of our fanatic-ruled party at the polls this November would serve as a wakeup call and remind Democrats that they only get to do the things that the Democrat Party exists to do if they get enough votes to control the White House and Congress. Which requires that you have serious candidates and embrace serious issues that most Americans, not just tiny pressure groups, care about.

And on that day, Democratic moderates can take the party back. And yes, Democratic moderates actually exist. They’re all voting for Bush this year, but they’d rather have had a Democratic candidate to vote for….

…Speaking as an embarrassed and fed-up Democrat, I have to say to the national leaders of my own party: What were you thinking when you nominated this man!

Is there really no one better than this that the Democratic Party can offer to the American people to lead us in time of war?

Well, yes, there is. The Democratic Party could have nominated Joe Lieberman. The Democratic Party could have chosen a candidate who would help unite the country in the prosecution of a war forced on us by cruel and ambitious enemies — and then put forward the Democratic program for keeping America a decent place for people who haven’t got great stock options.

Instead, the Democratic Party has nominated a man who has spent his whole career attacking Americans who actually fight for their country, provoking divisiveness during wartime for his own political gain, and voting with absolute consistency to strip America of the means of defending ourselves against our enemies.

What were the Democratic Party leaders thinking?

Not of America’s good, that’s for sure.

[Orson Scott Card, Democrat, http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/2004-08-29-1.html%5D

Unfortunately, his party did not take his advice in 2004 and with the complicity of the media (as he notes), they regained Congress and are about to lose the war for us.

georgej on November 17, 2006 at 10:59 AM

He’s no Dem…he’s Zell’s DEMON SEED….

seejanemom on November 17, 2006 at 10:59 AM

Orson Scott Card is one of the rare few Dems, in the same league I believe as Kirsten Powers.

DakRoland on November 17, 2006 at 11:17 AM

I grew up loving his books, and respecting him as an author… Now I can respect him as a man, as well. I wish more dems had such a level head on them.

jematlock on November 17, 2006 at 11:21 AM

Let’s hope that whatever he’s smokin’ catches on.

jasnell on November 17, 2006 at 11:24 AM

How red would you like your meat? Rare? Or tartare?

Still twitching, please ;-)

steveegg on November 17, 2006 at 11:31 AM

And also that Republicans should control more media.

We definitely should. I’ve often wondered why wealthy conservative Americans don’t attempt to buy CBS, ABC, etc. and change the news organizations. Fox is not biased; it is fair and balanced, something that shocks people so used to flagrant liberal propaganda everywhere else.

Actually, the new newspaper the Washington Examiner is a great model on how to install a popular conservative news outlet and combat liberal monopolies on the press.

About a year ago, the newspaper was created. It is free and was delivered to everyone’s house in the Washington metro area and given out to everyone on the metro system. Thus, it had an immediately high circulation rate and could command high prices to advertise in the newspaper. It is an extremely well-done newpaper with a mix of local and national news and a good sports section. The editorials are conservative.

Best of all it is free and delivered to everyone’s house. It makes a profit because of all the advertisements.

Why aren’t conservatives in more cities in the nation using this model to combat bias?

januarius on November 17, 2006 at 11:35 AM

This guy is a Democrat? Thanks for the link AP, I’d never read any of his commentary.

Lord. I was imagining him switching over to our side, but I think a contrarian like him in the Dem camp is much more beneficial to us all.

BacaDog on November 17, 2006 at 11:37 AM

Orson Scott Card,is definetly playing with a full deck,for that matter a double deck.

sonnyspats1 on November 17, 2006 at 11:44 AM

Did anyone else see a special report on Fox News I think it was yesterday or the day before on one of the afternoon business segments. Any way it was about the economy inside Iran. Inflation is about 30% and ActMad isn’t delivering on his campaign promise to redistribute the oil wealth. Seems the people are feeling the pressure and even though they are afraid to criticize the government, the reporter seemed to think their economy would collapse under UN sanctions. It was quite an informative piece and now I do understand better why Bush is putting so much energy into the UNSC

In short, President Bush is a visionary, even a revolutionary; he is also a superb manager who does not waste his time trying to micromanage everything himself. He delegates; he campaigns for his programs; he gets out when a boat doesn’t float, but he doesn’t scuttle it, he repairs it and tries again.

Card is absolutely right and I’m impressed to find that he said the very same thing I said last week to a group. It’s unfortunate that so many of those who call themselves conservatives don’t understand Bush’s philosophy on government.

I prefer my meat medium rare but I don’t tell those who like it well done or raw that they can’t sit at my table. The recalibration of the GOP best take place quickly.

Texas Gal on November 17, 2006 at 11:44 AM

How red would you like your meat? Rare? Or tartare?

Just cut off the horns, wipe its butt, and send it out!!

KelliD on November 17, 2006 at 11:45 AM

“…we have seen in this election how a prosperous economy can be concealed and a successful war can be turned into a “disaster” when you own the public’s primary sources of information.”

That’s really the heart of it, isn’t it?

Halley on November 17, 2006 at 11:56 AM

I’m reading one of his books right now (found it in a used bookstore.) His “Ender’s Game” is one of my favorites. He has had such essays out for years.

But of course, he’s no Gore Vidal, so crickets about him other than on these tubes. Anyone else read that glowing interview with Gore Vidal in Time magazine? Not one peep about his absolutely looney ideas. You would think he was a moderate. Vidal’s political opinions are fawned over by the media. Card? not so much.

Carin on November 17, 2006 at 12:02 PM

Kibbee Nyi

Zorro on November 17, 2006 at 12:46 PM

Topple Assad? Do we have to? — theworldisnotenough

…maybe we can just spin him around in a circle until he’s really, really dizzy….

Puritan1648 on November 17, 2006 at 12:52 PM

Miller/Card ’08!

aero on November 17, 2006 at 12:52 PM

He’s a great Sci-Fi author. People should check out his Enders Game series.

Max Power on November 17, 2006 at 1:03 PM

The Worthing Chronicles is a great read also

conservativecaveman on November 17, 2006 at 1:11 PM

How red would you like your meat? Rare? Or tartare?
Just cut off the horns, wipe its butt, and send it out!!

KelliD on November 17, 2006 at 11:45 AM

For me? Just walk it past the stove, real slow.

BacaDog on November 17, 2006 at 1:39 PM

Card should stick to the science fiction; unless of course he gets the war with Iran or Syria he’s drooling for. Then, he should enlist in the military.

Constantine on November 17, 2006 at 2:01 PM

Let’s hope that whatever he’s smokin’ catches on.

jasnell

He’s not smoking anything, Jasnell, he’s mormon. ;)

But anyway, from Orson Scott Card’s Wikipedia entry:

Card identifies himself as a Democrat, which he asserts is because he is pro-gun control/anti-NRA, is highly critical of free-market capitalism, and believes the Republican party in the South continues to tolerate racism.

But he’s right in the way he thinks about National Security (on the most part). If we’re dead, we won’t be able to have any arguments about gun control or capitalism, etc.

batperez on November 17, 2006 at 2:03 PM

Where was this guy a month ago? Are we doing everything on some Venutian calendar? Everything is a month (or a day) late.

He was there before the election – he wrote this excellent article, which is worth reading even now.

(October 29) There is only one issue in this election that will matter five or ten years from now, and that’s the War on Terror. And the success of the War on Terror now teeters on the fulcrum of this election. If control of the House passes into Democratic hands, there are enough withdraw-on-a-timetable Democrats in positions of prominence that it will not only seem to be a victory for our enemies, it will be one.

Orson can only do so much. He is no Chuck Norris (the only man who can lead the horse to water AND make him drink).

Lehuster on November 17, 2006 at 2:12 PM

Hey! Look! Constantine has a blog!

Troy Rasmussen on November 17, 2006 at 6:11 PM

Yea! Card should stick with sci-fi, because I don’t agree with what he says. Doesn’t he know that democrats are only allowed to spout the party line and sound bites? Free thinkers are not allowed in the party of the people!!

Troy Rasmussen on November 17, 2006 at 6:14 PM

Card should stick to the science fiction; unless of course he gets the war with Iran or Syria he’s drooling for. Then, he should enlist in the military.

Constantine on November 17, 2006 at 2:01 PM

Hmmm. I have never been able to really follow this logic.

If you are pro-war, you should enlist in the military to help fight the war.

If you are anti-war, does that mean you should join the human shields?

If you are pro-choice, does that mean you should get an abortion?

If you are pro-gay marriage, does that mean you should get married to someone of the same sex, even if you are straight?

I’m just wondering where this all leads.

And what about senior citizens? Since they can’t enlist, are they allow to think certain ways? Or is that forbidden?

If you are an openly gay man, who is pro-war, what is he supposed to do? He can’t enlist. Because he is openly gay. Are you saying that openly gay men who support the war have to go into the closet in order to join the army to fight the war?

EFG on November 17, 2006 at 7:01 PM

Card should stick to the science fiction; unless of course he gets the war with Iran or Syria he’s drooling for. Then, he should enlist in the military.

Constantine on November 17, 2006 at 2:01 PM

Hmmm. I have never been able to really follow this logic.

If you are pro-war, you should enlist in the military to help fight the war.

If you are anti-war, does that mean you should join the human shields?

If you are pro-choice, does that mean you should get an abortion?

If you are pro-gay marriage, does that mean you should get married to someone of the same sex, even if you are straight?

I’m just wondering where this all leads.

And what about senior citizens? Since they can’t enlist, are they allow to think certain ways? Or is that forbidden?

If you are an openly gay man, who is pro-war, what is he supposed to do? He can’t enlist. Because he is openly gay. Are you saying that openly gay men who support the war have to go into the closet in order to join the army to fight the war?

EFG on November 17, 2006 at 7:01 PM

If they’re really serious about becoming the majority party, what rich Republicans need to do is stop paying for thousand-dollar-a-plate fundraising dinners and start buying up newspapers and networks.

Allow me, the hardcore Texan gun-owning, Christian conservative, clue everyone in on an axiom in our American Experience: The really rich Republicans don’t read blogs or watch TV or go to protest marches for traditionalist causes because they are busy buying low and selling high; running their companies and making money.

You know… working.

Knowing this fact, how are you convince the fortysomething Republican white guy that made his millions from real estate or manufacturing paint thinner that he should fund a movie with conservative values shot on digital video and distributed direct to consumers via Netflix? Float a group of conservative bloggers to build and market a political video sharing website? Pour money into a comedy TV show pilot for that savages the Left?

The fortysomething white guy will say: “What’s a Netflix?”

If you’re the daughter of a conservative businessman, you’re expected to marry another hard-working conservative’s son who will make a lot of money so you can manage a tax-exempt charitable trust; not waste your time writing your observations on some silly blog thing nobody ever reads. We all know that business plans are acceptable writing assignments for conservatives, not these stupid, faddish “blogs” on the Internet!

If you’re a conservative teenage boy, you’re supposed to go to business school and get a real job, not go to UCLA to play-act with the stoners and creeps that gravitate to the entertainment industry! I mean, where’s the value prop in that?

Michelle Malkin said: “I’m going to put together a broadband video website with traditionalist values and I am going to do this by myself with my own money since it’s obvious nobody else will.”

Oh, not that nobody else could do it, but that no other conservative had–wait for it–the balls to spend their own money do it.

What creative conservatives need to do is get together and start writing up well-researched business plans with value props for rich Republicans to start kicking in money for traditionalist media spending.

You know where to find me…

ScottMcC on November 17, 2006 at 7:49 PM

What creative conservatives need to do is get together and start writing up well-researched business plans with value props for rich Republicans to start kicking in money for traditionalist media spending.

You know where to find me…

ScottMcC on November 17, 2006 at 7:49 PM

Scott,

You are exactly right. One of the weakest links on the Conservative side of things is a substantive media presence (present excellent HotAir excluded, of course).

Been having the same thoughts myself, and I’m up for pitching in.

What’s up with your site? Can’t seem to connect.

techno_barbarian on November 17, 2006 at 8:28 PM

Hey! Look! Constantine has a blog!

Troy Rasmussen on November 17, 2006 at 6:11 PM

I’ll be sure to add that to my list of things not to read.

ReubenJCogburn on November 17, 2006 at 9:35 PM

techno_barbarian on November 17, 2006 at 8:28 PM

What’s up with your site? Can’t seem to connect.

Recently updated. Try it again.

ScottMcC on November 17, 2006 at 11:13 PM

How red would you like your meat? Rare? Or tartare?

“I’ll slice off what I want, and ride the rest home!”

Card’s right. Conservatives have to come up with an effective counter to the media. From the War, to the economy, to democratic scandals, our voice is being drowned out. Look at the Pelosi hiring illegals for her vineyard. There was one story, then poof. Abramov implicates Dems, send him to jail real quick. Kennedy & the Soviets, too old. This is where the problem is. We need more great communicators.

Iblis on November 18, 2006 at 11:50 AM