Hoyer humiliates Pelosi, defeats Murtha, 149-86

posted at 12:00 pm on November 16, 2006 by Allahpundit

Just in at Fox. Soak it in. Updates coming.

Update: Unless there was some eleventh-hour shift to Hoyer — which is unlikely, considering that 90 Democrats had already publicly committed to him yesterday — then Murtha lied to Matthews’s face on Hardball yesterday.

Update: Welcome the new majority leader!

Murtha was an unindicted co-conspirator in the Abscam scandal of the 1970s, which has prompted some to support the other man seeking the House majority leader’s job — Rep. Steny H. Hoyer of Maryland — as the more ethical candidate.

Hoyer, also on appropriations, sent $61.7 million to his district just outside of Washington during this Congress, the watchdog group says. That put him among the top 10% of earmarkers in the House. The earmarks frequently benefited local defense contractors.

In the 2006 defense appropriations bill, for example, Hoyer secured $2.8 million for ManTech International Corp., which has a facility in his district that is developing a military project. ManTech’s executives and its political action committee have donated $49,000 to Hoyer’s campaign and leadership funds since 2001.

Update: How high were the stakes? The New York Observer’s Politicker blog posted this before the vote:

The damage could be significant if she loses. Forget the public relations angle – this is a woman who has had a remarkably strong hold on the Democratic Caucus, despite the best efforts of her foes (internal and external) to undermine her. But this looks very petty and very personal– a grudge being carried out against a man, Hoyer, who Pelosi simply doesn’t trust and doesn’t like. And that could weaken her support structure within the Democratic caucus, whose ranks she has now divided just days after their stunning win at the polls…

[I]f she does pull out a win for Murtha this morning, she will take the Speaker’s gavel with unparalleled and unquestioned power, the strongest Speaker the House has seen in years. And she’ll have delivered one final, lasting blow to Hoyer – the man she first met 40-something years ago, when they both interned for Maryland Senator Daniel Brewster.

Update: Try as he might, Jules Crittenden can’t get too excited:

As political theater, it promises to be a great show. And I want to be enthusiastic about it.

There’s just one thing.

It isn’t theater. Lives hang in the balance. Possibly thousands of American lives and tens of thousands of Iraqi lives. None of what I’ve described above, if you care about the future of America and American values in the world, is much good. All of it carries the threat of grave consequences.

Update: I wonder how much of this was influenced by Abizaid (and Zinni and Batiste) all saying in the past 48 hours that a quick withdrawal from Iraq would be catastrophic. It’d be hard for the Dems to support that position with Murtha as majority leader.

Update: The “culture of corruption” fun hasn’t end just yet. Judicial Watch is calling on Pelosi to eliminate Alcee Hastings from consideration for the chairmanship of the Intel Committee. And the Blotter is reporting that Robert Menendez remains a “person of interest” in a federal investigation into a shady real-estate deal in New Jersey. That plus the rumors about Reid and Abramoff probably also lost Murtha a few votes.

Update: Pelosi is speaking now; video soon. She just congratulated Murtha for having spoken “truth to power” in opposing the war.

Update: Video of the Pelosi/Hoyer/Murtha joint presser is here.

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This is good news in that Pelosi LOST…BIG TIME, but Hoyer is a true liberal with good speaking skills. Murtha would have been better in the bigger picture since he’s moonbat, anti-war loon, and it would have been nice to see him on the TV spouting forth the democrat cud.

SouthernGent on November 16, 2006 at 3:48 PM

… and Murtha jumped the shark.

Christoph on November 16, 2006 at 4:18 PM

Okay, so Murtha lost but don’t get too disappointed at his loss. He’s still got his big ego to match his absolute moral authority on military matters because he served and that’s different than all the rest … who served ’cause, well, ’cause, um, uh, … ’cause he’s a Democrat passionate and knowledgeable, um … he was re-elected and has a mandate, uh, … ooh ooh, he has a plan!

Besides, MSM loves mavericks.

It’s going to be an amusing two years.

Dusty on November 16, 2006 at 4:29 PM


Dems new platform: The Total Crap Platform

Call me felonious! I intend to steal these!

I think “Herding Cats” or something like that was the title of Trent Lott’s book.

Thanks, bookkeeper!

RushBaby on November 16, 2006 at 4:31 PM

It appears as though the Democrats went off is a “New Direction”.

Blaise on November 16, 2006 at 4:44 PM

Is this supposed to make me feel better? She is still crazy!

Democrats are PARTISANS!!!! Pelosi just believes so firmly that her constituents are total morons that she can do what she wants (or she is delusional).

Clearly many in her party could see that Murtha would be too obvious an statement about Democrat disregard for common sense (assuming they have any).

They let her and others carry their water – being the spokespeople for the most vile ANTI-AMERICAN statements that often slip into “jokes” about their true attitudes.

She was mistaken if she thought she was the quarterback. She is a figurehead (conveniently sequestered when necessary).

Agrippa2k on November 16, 2006 at 4:50 PM

I’m a Crittenden fan, but Jules, please, lay off the condescension. We know what the stakes are. Sometimes you’ve just gotta stop to smell…the roses.

JM Hanes on November 16, 2006 at 4:54 PM

That’s too bad. I was looking foreward to Murtha being majority leader. Think of all the fun we will be missing.

Dave R. on November 16, 2006 at 5:05 PM

…before the vote, imagine this scene….

The Congressional Sergeant at Arms, who looks amazingly like R. Lee Ermey, strides forward into frame and announces:

“Good news and bad news, ladies and gentlemen.”

He leers and continues, “First, the Bad News: you and the nation will have to eat crap. We have two bowls here, and you have to choose.”

He warms to his task.

“One bowl is labelled “Murtha”, and it’s cow crap. The other is labelled “Hoyer”, and it’s horse crap. Get your spoons out and chow down, people! Do it, do it, Do IT, DO IT!!!”

“…and the Good News: on all fours, Pelosi, and make a back! You’re the table.”

Puritan1648 on November 16, 2006 at 5:08 PM

Editor wrote: “I can’t imagine how anyone can think that having Murtha in there is any better.”

I agree with Editor.

The Democrats, in their quest to get back into power, literally sabotaged the war, effectively giving aid and comfort to the enemy. As proof, witness the glee with which our enemies celebrate the Democrat’s victory.

It is not in the best interests of the country to have John Murtha in a position of leadership of the Congress. It would be a disaster for certain, both ethically and with respect to the war.

I am not prepared to “do as the Democrats do” and root for the more unethical and incompetent and unpatriotic, who almost certainly will damage the war effort, for a later partisan political advantage.

Murtha’s condemnation of the Marines, his stance on the war, his idiocy of “Okinawa”, his posing in a “Code Pink” T-Shirt with Traitor Medea Benjamin, make him totally unsuitable under any circumstances to be Majority Leader.

Whatever Hoyer’s ideology and voting record, it is fair game that can be used to defeat him and his party next go around.

georgej on November 16, 2006 at 5:16 PM

It is surely gratifying to see Nancy (the face that stopped a thousand clocks) Pelosi with egg on her hideous face, but I fear that this is nothing to rejoice.

This (if she has an ounce of common sense) will probably be a wake-up call for Pelosi. She and her minions will surely be more cautious, and count votes before advancing a position in the future. This housekeeping episode has given them a chance to come down from their giddy flights of fancy after Tuesday last.

I hope I’m wrong, and she goes charging ahead, but be warned. Once bitten, twice shy.

hillbillyjim on November 16, 2006 at 5:39 PM

This (if she has an ounce of common sense) will probably be a wake-up call for Pelosi. I hope I’m wrong, and she goes charging ahead, but be warned. Once bitten, twice shy. — hillbillyjim

…no…that presupposes that she has human brain activity, or that her failed actions were due to inattention or that her failure was due to lethargy. She did what she did and failed because she arrogantly assumed herself to be in the right, what is to her advantage being right.

I don’t think that she learns much, either. History doesn’t show it. I credit her and her party with little more than animal instincts.

When a coyote is thwarted, he circles ’round and comes in on his prey from a different angle, that’s all. He keeps going until he eats it or it eats him.

…and I would like to turn right around and apologize to mid-level predators and scavengers of whatever species for this comparison.

Puritan1648 on November 16, 2006 at 5:49 PM

…he’s dead…what’d they do? Put a broomstick up his catflap and parade him around?

…he’d’ve liked that….

(I apologize, and be with the starving pygmies at the next Larry concert.)

Puritan1648 on November 16, 2006 at 3:19 PM

Remember one of the major excuses given for the Republican Meltaway™ – Mark Foley. Before Foley, there was Studds, who actually boinked his underaged target page. Hoyer very openly supported Studds, going so far as being one of the very few to oppose censuring Studds.

I wonder if those that either stayed home or voted for the Dems solely because of Foley are happy now.

steveegg on November 16, 2006 at 6:28 PM

There is one thing that bothers me….
What do they say about a woman scorned?

And this perticular ‘woman’ (loosly used term) already has a large supply of hate and venom hardened into that face.

shooter on November 16, 2006 at 6:38 PM

I don’t think that she learns much, either. History doesn’t show it. I credit her and her party with little more than animal instincts.

When a coyote is thwarted, he circles ’round and comes in on his prey from a different angle, that’s all. He keeps going until he eats it or it eats him.

Puritan, I hope that you’re right. That Pelosi and Friends will get caught up in the fight and forget their original aims. I fear that today’s little flap will only serve to show her/them where weakness exists, and ample time to address said issues.

I suppose the big question is: Will Nancy Pants let her ego derail the Donkey? That remains to be seen.

hillbillyjim on November 16, 2006 at 6:44 PM

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh, well!

So much for the Speaker’s ability to inspire confidence and work well together.

Methinks Nacy has many worst enemies, with her ego leading the list.


Jack Deth on November 16, 2006 at 6:45 PM

Has Nancy Pelosi not reached menopause yet? Her behavior has “PMS” written all over it. Let’s mark our calendar or make a mental note and await our opportunity to observe whether she goes nuts again on December 13 and 14.

Kralizec on November 16, 2006 at 9:15 PM

Sorry I didn’t back read all 100 comments…

Maybe this is a precursor to what’s going to happen to Pelosi? I can’t see it happening at this point, but maybe, just maybe they’ll not vote her as Speaker. After all, she’s dirty too.

Damn that’d be mighty fine news… almost as good a feeling as Bush’s re-election

SilverStar830 on November 16, 2006 at 9:19 PM

I was just now able to listen to the video. Mr. Murtha’s Freudian slip on leaving Iraq…”and Nancy lead that flight…I mean fight” was precious.

Nancy Pelosi said today “all of us are happy for the first woman Speaker” – the media is eating it up, for truth.

This is a great little article.

She all but told incoming freshmen: “That’s a nice little committee assignment you’re asking for. It would be a shame if anything happened to it.”

Entelechy on November 16, 2006 at 9:23 PM

All Your Majority Leaders Are Belong To Us!

Good Lt on November 16, 2006 at 11:32 PM

Sheesh, that pic looks like the evil botox emperor without the hoodie.

infidel4life on November 17, 2006 at 1:37 AM

– GOP gets the joy of seeing the new Speaker get bitch-slapped an hour into her reign.

You left out the part where Democrats get the joy of watching Republican rip each other’s throat out over the soon-to-be-signed amnesty bill, the appointment of Mel Martinez as RNC leader over Steele (who is now all but finished in politics) and the turn of Mr. Pork himself, Trent Lott, to minority whip.

Murtha was pro-life, one-pony ride anyway. Socially liberal Hoyer will make a better majority leader.

Grebrook on November 17, 2006 at 2:39 AM

Nancy made herself look even weaker by bringing up Murtha’s list of alleged accomplishments. Better she just get to the point; but no, she had to injure herself even further.

schadenfroh und gnadenlos…

I also detected a note of petty triumphalism in her tone when she emphasized how, even though Murtha lost the vote by a landslide, he’d still be [appointed] Defense Appropriations committee chairman. (Again, why mention it at all?)


“Pelosi is speaking now; video soon. She just congratulated Murtha for having spoken “truth to power” in opposing the war.”

Your kidding, right? This has to be a joke.

Boy did that undermine Murtha. By tying that “charge” around the neck of the guy who just lost a vote-of-no-confidence within his own party 2-1, by associating his “truth to power” quackery with his own imminent loss, she just “proved” him wrong (even as her words claimed the opposite)! Dumbbell.

P.S. I’m glad Hoyer’s got the leadership.

RD on November 17, 2006 at 4:00 AM

Grebrook spouts:

Murtha was pro-life, one-pony ride anyway. Socially liberal Hoyer will make a better majority leader.

Why weren’t you willing to say that any of the dozen times I asked you before the vote, Sunshine? Was your crystal ball on the fritz? Surely, you knew! Didn’t you?

Pablo on November 17, 2006 at 4:56 AM

For a view from the Left, read short NYT editorial; no accusations of them from Grebrook.

It’s all a matter of degree of scum, from both sides of the isles. Corruption is corruption and I’m idealistically waiting for that ‘clean house’. I’ll prep myself, lest I’ll be disillusioned.

RD, jawohl.

Pablo, you’re looking for accountability, where there is only puerile spouting.

Entelechy on November 17, 2006 at 12:10 PM

Danke schoen, meine liebe Entelechy The NYT editorial will now be circulated among those of my friends who wouldn’t be caught dead with a Washington Times or NRO article in their hands…

And the Repubs ‘keep keepin’ the bar low, real real low. With this pack of geniuses in the minority leadership Hoyer’s (?!) actually got a shot.

RD on November 17, 2006 at 10:21 PM