Hotline: Murtha doesn’t have the votes; Update: Hotline backs off
posted at 10:38 am on November 16, 2006 by Allahpundit
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According to two independent sources.
In the meantime, this is hilarious:
Rep.-elect Kirsten Gillibrand faced her first test as a freshman member of Congress Tuesday when she was summoned to the office of Speaker-to-be Nancy Pelosi and asked to explain why she opposes Pelosi’s choice for Democratic leader…
Gillibrand said she told Pelosi she will vote for Hoyer because he twice traveled to New York to campaign for her. She said Hoyer telephoned three weeks ago seeking her support and she gave her word.
Gillibrand said Pelosi “shared with me her views about how wonderful” Murtha was “and the leadership he could provide.”
In the same meeting, Pelosi asked Gillibrand for her preferences for House committee assignments, a critical appointment that the speaker controls.
As translated by Rush Limbaugh, who formally endorsed Murtha’s disastrous candidacy yesterday: “Message: You’re going to be sweeping the floors here and cleaning the latrines if you don’t change your mind here and vote for Murtha on this.”
What’s her damage, anyway? According to Bob Novak, she takes things too personally:
Pelosi’s personal pique was evident in her opposition to her rival diva from California, Rep. Jane Harman, as chairman of the House intelligence committee. In line to replace Harman is Rep. Alcee Hastings, who was once impeached as a federal judge on bribery charges.
For a party that effectively stressed a Republican climate of corruption in the recent campaign to consider placing Murtha and Hastings in its leadership astonishes a wide range of Democrats. They do not believe Murtha can defeat Hoyer, but the imminence of Hastings stuns them. Well-placed Democrats have told Pelosi she cannot permit this to happen. What they hesitate to contemplate is what lies ahead based on Pelosi’s performance before she has taken the oath.
WaPo sees something similar going on with her and Hoyer, whom she defeated to become minority leader five years ago:
For the most part, lawmakers, Hill aides and some outside advisers — even some close to her — say they are at a loss to explain why Pelosi has held a grudge for so long, because she clearly has the upper hand as leader of the House Democrats. They suggest that part of what rankles her is that Hoyer is not beholden to her and feels no compulsion to publicly agree with her on every issue. This, allies say, she sees as a sign of disloyalty.
Ray LaHood describes the GOP as “giddy” over what’s happening and tells the Times, “I can’t believe they are self-destructing before they even get started.” And the beauty of it is, while this Hoyer/Murtha thing is going away soon, the Carville/Dean sniping is just getting warmed up:
Stan Greenberg, the Democratic pollster, and Mr. Carville used the forum of a Monitor Breakfast, a gathering of newsmakers and reporters, to say Mr. Dean wasted an opportunity to make historic gains by refusing to take resources out of his effort to build up parties in all 50 states and put them into Congressional races.
Mr. Greenberg said that Republicans held 14 seats by a single percentage point and that a small investment by Mr. Dean could have put Democrats into a commanding position for the rest of the decade.
“There was a missed opportunity here,” he said. “I’ve sat down with Republican pollsters to discuss this race: They believe we left 10 to 20 seats on the table.”
The Dems are meeting right now to decide between Hoyer and Murtha; they’ve already formally elected Nancy. as their candidate for Speaker. Standby for the exciting, party-splitting, Pelosi-humiliating conclusion!
Update: Hold the phone — Hotline’s post now says this:
An earlier post incorrectly insinuated that Rep. John Murtha’s campaign has conceded the majority leader’s race.
Murtha’s campaign hasn’t conceded.
The vote for whip hasn’t yet occurred.
We regret leaving our readers with the impression that the race was decided before it was decided.
That must have been some phone call they just got.
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This would be alot more fun if the Republicans weren’t drinking from the same well of stupid that the Dems are.
E L Frederick on November 16, 2006 at 10:43 AM
Strong policy positions + competence = scary.
Awful policy positions + incompetence = funny.
(But also scary for national security reasons.)
Attila (Pillage Idiot) on November 16, 2006 at 10:45 AM
And the GOP’s not self-destruction through their own stupid appointments/nominees? Give me a friggin’ break!
Newt if you wait ’til next September to get into this race you may find yourself alone in the GOP because we’ll all be gone!
Dread Pirate Roberts VI on November 16, 2006 at 10:48 AM
Ditto, ELF.
Just like when we watched the idiots in the GOP and said “thank God we run against the Democrats”, now I’m watching the Democrats and wondering “how on earth did we lose to these nitwits?”
Jaibones on November 16, 2006 at 10:48 AM
Well,the whole country will now see the San Fran value system in full flower.
Hopefully they will reject it totally.Like.totally.dude!
bbz123 on November 16, 2006 at 10:48 AM
Depressingly true.
Still, it’s hard not to enjoy it a bit watching them beginning to self-destruct little more than a week after the election. Nancy’s apparent vendetta against Hoyer is making her look like a vindictive bitch. Her insistence on elevating Murtha and Hastings is completely undermining her promise to root out corruption and will damage her standing with the electorate at large.
Still, I would like to see our side get its house in order so that they could run on something better than “we’re not as bad as the are” and the early signs are not encouraging.
thirteen28 on November 16, 2006 at 10:50 AM
Even the Niners are movin’ dude!
Dread Pirate Roberts VI on November 16, 2006 at 10:52 AM
A message from Newt
http://www.humanevents.com/winningthefuture.php?id=18063
BobK on November 16, 2006 at 10:54 AM
Hotline seems to have changed its entry. This is what it says on the page linked:
Editor’s Note: Majority Leader’s Race
An earlier post incorrectly insinuated that Rep. John Murtha’s campaign has conceded the majority leader’s race.
Murtha’s campaign hasn’t conceded.
The vote for whip hasn’t yet occurred.
We regret leaving our readers with the impression that the race was decided before it was decided.
Slublog on November 16, 2006 at 10:57 AM
“They are who we thought they were….and we let ‘em off the hook.”
Kid from Brooklyn on November 16, 2006 at 11:00 AM
DUUUUHHHHH!!!
shooter on November 16, 2006 at 11:02 AM
Do you ever get the impression that neither of these crews of idiots cares if anyone ever votes for them again?
Pablo on November 16, 2006 at 11:04 AM
Pablo, they KNOW the memory of most voters is quite good,
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but doesn’t last very long.
shooter on November 16, 2006 at 11:10 AM
Pardon me, but why is this a surprise to anyone? Women always take things personally whether for the good or the bad. It’s just what they do.
SouthernGent on November 16, 2006 at 11:18 AM
Who got spanked? Allah? Now, that’s hot!!
EF on November 16, 2006 at 11:18 AM
ELF
A very excellent phrase.
pocomoco on November 16, 2006 at 11:20 AM
As a woman, I am personally offended.
Esthier on November 16, 2006 at 11:29 AM
Did Pelosi call them?
Esthier on November 16, 2006 at 11:30 AM
Someone needs to ask Hillary! if the House is run more like a plantation now than when the Repubs were in charge.
blogRot on November 16, 2006 at 11:35 AM
Come on baby. Take it home Murtha. I know you can do it. Win one for the gipper.
lorien1973 on November 16, 2006 at 11:52 AM
Fox says Hoyer’s the winner.
Bugler on November 16, 2006 at 11:59 AM
They are reporting on the radio that Murtha is OUT. Spank allah again!
EF on November 16, 2006 at 12:00 PM
Given the Democrats’ formal election of Ms. Pelosi, is there still the chance of a Republican-supported election of an alternative Democratic Speaker?
mikeyboss on November 16, 2006 at 12:01 PM
MSNBC says it’s 149 Hoyer, 86 Murtha.
The part of me that’s citizen and Marine says “good”, the part that was Republican says “gosh darn it!”*
*edited for language. The Marine part wanted to type Murtha :spit:
htom on November 16, 2006 at 12:06 PM
According to an article by Perry Bacon, Jr. for Time Magazine, Pelosi “Carries a chip on her shoulder, beleiving that fellow Democrats and media elites have constantly underestimated her political ability..”.
In 2001, Bacon says, “Pelosi won an intense battle with Maryland’s Steny Hoyer to be the number 2 Democrat in the House”.
Apparently there is some old animosity between Pelosi and Hoyer that partly explains her actions now.
Bacon also quotes Pelosi as saying “Anybody who’s ever dealt with me knows not to mess with me”.
See the article here.
BacaDog on November 16, 2006 at 12:11 PM
Bacon also quotes Pelosi as saying “Anybody who’s ever dealt with me knows not to mess with me”.
As comedian Lewis Black would say: O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O!
pocomoco on November 16, 2006 at 12:31 PM
What’s Spanky’s next step?
natesnake on November 16, 2006 at 12:56 PM
I’m not tech savvy enough to do this myself but I would love to see a 60 second video debate between Murtha and Grandpa Simpson.
It would be a clip of Murtha making one of his asinine or outright insane statments. Then there would be a rebuttal by Grandpa Simpson saying something ridiculous.
Then back to Murtha. Etc.
I would pay $5 to see that.
Rosetta on November 16, 2006 at 1:07 PM
This is exactly what I thought would happen. The party with no plan is in power and they are now fighting each other (because there is no plan and never was one). They have no idea as to what to do next. All they wanted was to get back in power (no matter what) - well, here you are Nans, making a fool of yourself as always. Only this time, you are actually in charge. This thing is going to collapse so fast, it’s not even funny.
Rick on November 16, 2006 at 1:55 PM
Mikeyboss wrote: “Given the Democrats’ formal election of Ms. Pelosi, is there still the chance of a Republican-supported election of an alternative Democratic Speaker?”
No.
georgej on November 16, 2006 at 5:31 PM
Rick wrote: “This thing is going to collapse so fast, it’s not even funny.”
Our enemies, Al Qaeda, Syria, Iran, and the Ba’athists are rolling on the floor, laughing. They smell victory.
georgej on November 16, 2006 at 5:33 PM
Ladies and gentlemen, I believe we have a winner…
Jaibones on November 16, 2006 at 11:28 PM
(Kid, is that a veiled Bears-Giants reference? Or not-so-veiled?)
Jaibones on November 16, 2006 at 11:29 PM