Joe Biden has been proposing this for about a year.

And what do the Iraqis think about it? I don’t think Joe has checked with them.

Now to put forth yet another argument about Iraq, which the left should absolutely love (sarcasm), lets take a look at the death rate in Iraq before Saddam was toppled.
You do the math… everyone is so anxious to quote how many deaths there have be…..

The only way out… IMO, is the three state solution…

Romeo13 on November 15, 2006 at 11:00 AM

Joe Biden has been proposing this for about a year. It’s more of a weak federalism–the federal part being mostly about an equitable distribution of oil revenue.

You really have to wonder how badly the Iragis WANT their independence. If they really do, why aren’t we hearing about it. Alas, another lack of communication to the American people by the administration.

Bush is his own worst enemy.

stenwin77 on November 15, 2006 at 8:48 AM

Are you saying that the Iraqis don’t have independence? I’m confused. Unless you mean independence from Saddam? But your point is well taken. People who fight for their own independence tend to value it; having it presented on a silver platter, not so much.

Outside forces and internal politics are driving this to the point where the ONLY viable option is the three state solution. The real problem is the Sunni population, which is only about 20% of the population. They don’t live in oil rich lands, and don’t want to give up that economic power…. but then they don’t want the Shites to have it either…

The only way out… IMO, is the three state solution…

No. The resistance can easily be crushed. The ability is not lacking. Just the will. We, the American People, just have to be willing to do it.

What does this mean? The Sunni and the Shia are fighting each other and we are stuck in the middle refereeing–what resistance are we crushing? Are we supposed to pick a side and help them crush the other? Sure, the simplest way to ‘win’ in Iraq would be to side with the majority Shia, arm them, train them, and help them crush the Sunni into submission but this would be cruel, unfair, and very Saddam-esque. If this is your solution to Iraq you obviously have no concept of the dynamics of the situation.

Sure, you’ve heard that from Bush, Rove, Rumsfeld and all of the usuals. But have you heard that from two of the most outspoken critics of President Bush’s Iraq policy, Anthony C. Zinni and John Batiste? Both of whom called for Donald Rumsf…

Pablo, how ’bout we set one huge joint services base in Kurdistan, surrounded by miles of open grassland? Train the new Iraqi Army THERE.

Well, as long as we can still roam around shooting Salafists and Wahabbis, OK.

You had your opportunity last year Nancy-boys, give it up.

Pablo, how ’bout we set one huge joint services base in Kurdistan, surrounded by miles of open grassland? Train the new Iraqi Army THERE. When they’re ready to take over daily operations, our guys prepare for and await orders into Iran.

Do it the Desert Storm way, 3 weeks of air power, flying in from Iraq and Afghanistan, THEN we send in the Army and Marines to clean up whatever’s left (not much).

Do it now or do it AFTER an Iranian terrorist uses a radiological device on New York.

Bush is his own worst enemy.

The civil war is inevitable. This is a great example of why conservatives oppose nation-building. So we put in more troops to delay a civil war until we eventually pull out. Quagmire.

At what point do we stand back and watch? I’m thinking about strategic redeployment…to the suburbs, and maybe to Anbar. We should be kicking jihadi ass and leaving the more multicultural Iraqi areas to their own (and their government’s) devices.

Let them hash it out, and we can come back in and see what’s left and who won once the dust settles. Meanwhile, we could get a few Field Artillery units training along the Eastern border, countering Iran’s disregard for the NPT with our own disregard for the INF treaty.

It’s time we showed our gumballs!

I don’t know about the rest of these folks, but you didn’t need to tell me that was a Seinfeld reference. I can practically recite every episode Jugdish.

RightWinged on November 15, 2006 at 1:40 AM

You are bad man, Mister RightWinged. Very, very, bad.

Quagmire

Isn’t he on the Family Guy?

Kini on November 15, 2006 at 12:41 AM

As pissed off at them as I am over their military bashing, I have to say.. Giggity Giggity Giggity Goo.

Having her and Murtha as the faces and voices of the Democrats for the next two years is…….GOLD, JERRY, IT’S GOLD, I TELL YA…..

( Seinfeld reference )

Janos Hunyadi on November 15, 2006 at 1:25 AM

I don’t know about the rest of these folks, but you didn’t need to tell me that was a Seinfeld reference. I can practically recite every episode Jugdish.

Having her and Murtha as the faces and voices of the Democrats for the next two years is…….GOLD, JERRY, IT’S GOLD, I TELL YA…..

( Seinfeld reference )

Seems like the NY Times is afflicted with Sherlock syndrome. One of the most resonant arguments in the debate over Iraq holds that the United States can move forward by pulling its troops back, as part of a phased withdrawal…….

No. The resistance can easily be crushed. The ability is not lacking. Just the will. We, the American People, just have to be willing to do it.

Of course we can do it, but the current leadership is so flawed, we won’t. We could and should do it without costing another precious American life.

Quagmire

Isn’t he on the Family Guy?

So we put in more troops to delay a civil war until we eventually pull out. Quagmire.

Valiant on November 15, 2006 at 12:25 AM

No. The resistance can easily be crushed. The ability is not lacking. Just the will. We, the American People, just have to be willing to do it.